VC: Why TG-16 and not PCE in Europe?

[Golgo13]

"The Irish are a European ethnic group who originated in Ireland"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people






"Only place you can get your fingers... some dyke."

[Golgo13]

  How does this not apply to being Irish?


Because most western european socialist types, are concerned about the rights of indigenous peoples in places like tibet, or some other place very far off.  The idea that europeans can be indigenous peoples of europe does not really sit to well with them, because they associate having an ethnic identity with racism (unless your from some non european country). 

As to what I believe, I believe in the rights of indigenous peoples everywhere, not just in tibet or places like that.  I was born in the united states of america, im an American citizen, but where I and Walsh disagree is that I think the only true americans are the native american indians,  I can be a citizen of the united states of america, but never a true american like them because they are indigenous, and I am not. 

In Holland, native dutch children are not taught about their ancestors or where they come from, because they would conflict with the socialist plans, the idea is for them to forget their history so they dont see any cultural differences between them and others.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

As to what I believe, I believe in the rights of indigenous peoples everywhere, not just in tibet or places like that.  I was born in the united states of america, im an American citizen, but where I and Walsh disagree is that I think the only true americans are the native american indians,  I can be a citizen of the united states of america, but never a true american like them because they are indigenous, and I am not. 

Believe what you wish, but this sounds a little fruitcakey to me.  Native Americans have been here longer, but they didn't climb out of the primordial ooze and land on the good ol' USA - they migrated here from somewhere else.  How many years does it take to qualify as 'indigenous'?  Probably more than the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop.

[Golgo13]

No thats true, they came over the land bridge from asia that used to exist I heard, but they are in fact the original people to settle the area, at least thats what we know at this point.  But the point I was trying to make with that is that I think people should respect locals and traditions, and people should also try not to deny the nature of people and avoid inconvenient facts which do not fit into the fantasy utopia world they idealize.

[Golgo13]

As to what I believe, I believe in the rights of indigenous peoples everywhere, not just in tibet or places like that.  I was born in the united states of america, im an American citizen, but where I and Walsh disagree is that I think the only true americans are the native american indians,  I can be a citizen of the united states of america, but never a true american like them because they are indigenous, and I am not. 

Believe what you wish, but this sounds a little fruitcakey to me. 

Actually when people here in are ranting and raving about the rights of indigenous peoples in tibet or somwhere else they never will go, I find that rather fruitcakey because meanwhile some "Indigenous" dutch school kid (And no im not making this up, I know 2 kids this happened to being here 8 months) is getting robbed at knifepoint by a gang of five or so turks.  They would rather sweep shit like that under the rug and forget about it, mogadishu and tibet are so much more important.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

That certainly is fruitcakey.  Some shit is just wrong, regardless of which set of douche bags did the shitting or which person was shit on.  Although, sometimes race / ethnicity / whatchamacallit has nothing to do with it.  If I'm robbed by three purple dudes, it was likely because I had money and not because I'm white (purple 'cause I'm PC, bitches).

[Golgo13]

No, its not cause they are white, its because they are arrogant and think everybody thinks just like them.

[Keranu]

How does this not apply to being Irish?

"Irish need not apply." 

[nat]

We should close the forums to anyone except Golologologologo13 and Joe M. Walsh between midnight and 4:00am. That way, we can have four new pages of messages to read every day!

[termis]

I love the assumptions that people make about other countries without ever actually having lived there.  When you actually live there, you'll realize many common beliefs are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucking far from the truth.

[Monster Bonce]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to bow out of this debate. It's not the place for it and I apologise for my part in creating and sustaining it.

[esteban]

I only just read this thread, but contrary to what folks have suggested, "ethnicity" is an attribute of all groups within a society / culture. Yes, we often are blind to the ethnicity of the dominant culture, especially if we are a part of the dominant culture, but "ethnicity" doesn't simply vanish.

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You folks didn't mention that "TurboGrafx" was a gray-market item in Europe! This fact was confirmed recently (1-2 years ago) by John Greiner at Hudson. I tried to find my old thread at the Hudson Forums, but they must have gotten rid of it.

But, to get to back to the original question: from a marketing standpoint, it makes sense for Hudson (and Nintendo) to use "TurboGrafx" in Europe since all of the North American English-language media / resources have used "TurboGrafx-16" consistently since the console was released here in the States and now Hudson wants to build on this name recognition. Why confuse matters by using "PC Engine" in Austrialia / EU / UK when most print- / online- media use another name?

[Seldane]

It wasn't really confirmed. That guy confused the actual PC Engine with the TG, and we already knew what he said.

[esteban]

It wasn't really confirmed. That guy confused the actual PC Engine with the TG, and we already knew what he said.

Aha! Thanks for clarifying that. So, we're back to square one as far as TurboGrafx PAL is concerned? Goddam, that's annoying.

Did you buy one, Seldane? Maybe we can examine the documentation / packaging / power requirements on AC adapter to get some clues as to where it was being marketed?

[Seldane]

I did not buy one, no. But I still intend to. Damn it for being so expensive though. When/if I buy one, I will make sure to put ALL the info I can find online.