Which Lords Of Thunder Soundtrack do you like better?

Kitsunexus · 09/12/2007, 05:34 PM

Which soundtrack do you like better? I can't really decide, the TG-16 it's awesomely agressive, but the Sega CD is more polished...

Nazi NecroPhile · 09/12/2007, 05:47 PM

They're both great, just different (though sometimes the drums get a bit out of hand on Sega's soundtrack).

OldRover · 09/12/2007, 05:52 PM

Much prefer the original, but the remake has a couple of notable improvements. I don't like how they swapped the track order though, that always annoyed me. The 1st and 6th level musics in the Sega CD version are especially well-done, but they really killed the boss tracks...all of them. They sound so weak compared to the originals. It's just too bad that the sound effects in the Sega CD version sound like complete crap.

Turbo D · 09/12/2007, 06:14 PM

I voted for the Turbo version. The Genesis one was ok, but it didn't go as well as the original. Those Genesis sound effects really take away from any music anyways, almost makes playing the game unbearable.

Keranu · 09/12/2007, 07:31 PM

Though I haven't heard the Sega CD version nearly as much, I voted the Duo one because it does sound better from what I've heard. If you take the sound effects into consideration like turbo D, then yeah Duo blows it away, but that's not what we're talking about I guess

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Joe Redifer · 09/12/2007, 08:27 PM

Why did they even bother to re-perform the music for the Sega CD version?

CrackTiger · 09/12/2007, 09:15 PM

The Sega version works well as bgm and I'm very glad that we got another version of the soundtrack. It was recorded/mixed/whatever with a heavier/more modern sound, but the actual performance loses a lot, seperate from the style changes.

But the one thing that really kills the Sega soundtrack is the redone solos. Its not just that they're not as good, they really don't fit the songs and feel very out of place, almost working against the music.

Tatsujin · 09/12/2007, 11:30 PM

PCE = Original = best O:)

TR0N · 09/13/2007, 03:31 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/12/2007, 11:30 PMPCE = Original = best O:)

Ditto.

esteban · 09/13/2007, 03:45 PM

I don't have the Sega-CD version of LOT. I gotta listen to the soundtracks one of these days... I'm sure P_D has both in his music thread, right?

I'm eager to listen to the Sega-CD tunes.

Joe Redifer · 09/13/2007, 08:11 PM

I feel that the original Turbo Lords could have benefited from a much better recording session. The music is quiet and very thin-sounding as if the frequencies are extremely limited. Needs more punch and depth to the sound. Better equipment during recording and better mastering would have made this great music out-fucking-standing. I am betting that this music was recorded in the same place as Dungeon Explorer 2's music, except that DE2 is even quieter. Import a track from that game into a real sound editor and you'll only see teeny-tiny wavelengths. Turning the volume up isn't a good option as that increases the noise floor substantially. Only do so if you love hiss and hate dynamic range.

The Sega CD music seems to have been recorded slightly better with the exception of the percussion. It's much too loud compared to the rest of the music and quite "hollow" sounding for lack of a better term. I guess good recording studios do not exist in Japan.

Still not sure why they re-recorded the music. I guess nobody knows.

Tatsujin · 09/13/2007, 08:20 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/13/2007, 08:11 PMStill not sure why they re-recorded the music. I guess nobody knows.

coz, americans always have to worsimprove something, when it comes from an other country. but still not sure why.

geise · 09/13/2007, 08:31 PM

Wow! I'm surprised this topic is even started on a Turbo forum haha. I have played the sega cd version and I really "tried" to like it. I was so used to the Pc-Engine/Turbo version that it was really hard for me to get into it. I personally hate the production on the sega cd version. It's overproduced and isn't as RAW or harsh sounding as the Turbo version. By harsh I mean more aggressive sounding. I'm used to listening to bands with RAW recordings like Exodus, Overkill, Testament, Suicidal Tendencies from the 80's Thrash days. So that's why I like it even more.

CrackTiger · 09/13/2007, 09:20 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/13/2007, 08:11 PMI feel that the original Turbo Lords could have benefited from a much better recording session. The music is quiet and very thin-sounding as if the frequencies are extremely limited. Needs more punch and depth to the sound. Better equipment during recording and better mastering would have made this great music out-fucking-standing. I am betting that this music was recorded in the same place as Dungeon Explorer 2's music, except that DE2 is even quieter. Import a track from that game into a real sound editor and you'll only see teeny-tiny wavelengths. Turning the volume up isn't a good option as that increases the noise floor substantially. Only do so if you love hiss and hate dynamic range.

The Sega CD music seems to have been recorded slightly better with the exception of the percussion. It's much too loud compared to the rest of the music and quite "hollow" sounding for lack of a better term. I guess good recording studios do not exist in Japan.

Still not sure why they re-recorded the music. I guess nobody knows.

The CD soundtracks of most PCE CD games are 'mastered'/whatever quiet, so they compliment the sfx instead of overpower them.

Recording/Mastering-wise, the Turbo Lords is Rust In Peace and the Sega version is Countdown To Extinction.

spenoza · 09/13/2007, 10:28 PM

I am fond of quieter CD tracks. They tend to be less compressed (dynamic range, not file compression). And if turning up the volume is introducing too much noise, the audio components are usually to blame.

If you don't know what I'm talking about, read here: http://spectrum.ieee.org/aug07/5429

Turbo D · 09/13/2007, 10:33 PM

neato dude

Joe Redifer · 09/14/2007, 01:34 AM

QuoteThe CD soundtracks of most PCE CD games are 'mastered'/whatever quiet, so they compliment the sfx instead of overpower them.

This is because the TG-16 itself is so darned quiet. But DE2's music was even more quiet. Ys music is pretty darned loud, same with Shadow of the Beast.

QuoteRecording/Mastering-wise, the Turbo Lords is Rust In Peace and the Sega version is Countdown To Extinction.

What the hell are you talking about?

QuoteI am fond of quieter CD tracks. They tend to be less compressed (dynamic range, not file compression).

I agree, but Lords of Thunder has less dynamic range than most rock tracks typically would. It sounds very flat and very thin. Gate of Thunder destroys Lords of Thunder in recording quality.

Keranu · 09/14/2007, 02:05 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/14/2007, 01:34 AM
QuoteRecording/Mastering-wise, the Turbo Lords is Rust In Peace and the Sega version is Countdown To Extinction.
What the hell are you talking about?

Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. I had to Google it: Rust in Peace, Countdown to Extinction.

Tatsujin · 09/14/2007, 02:16 AM

rolf...megadeth

Kitsunexus · 09/14/2007, 02:49 AM

Megadeth is like, the SHITTIEST band on the face of planet Earth.

T's Music though is HELLA cool. I need to listen to more of their stuff (I found out they did the Super Monkey Ball soundtracks...).

WoodyXP · 09/14/2007, 04:39 AM

I like the Turbo version. It has a crunchier sound and it makes me want to regrow my mullet. /pintpv9.gif

Joe Redifer · 09/14/2007, 04:55 AM

Even though they are thanked in the credits, I don't think T's did the Super Monkey Ball music. I used to think that, but something somewhere made me change my mind. SMB sounds an awful lot like Daytona on the DC which is most decidedly not T's. The same team at Sega did program both games, though.

Kitsunexus · 09/14/2007, 09:18 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/14/2007, 04:55 AMEven though they are thanked in the credits, I don't think T's did the Super Monkey Ball music. I used to think that, but something somewhere made me change my mind. SMB sounds an awful lot like Daytona on the DC which is most decidedly not T's. The same team at Sega did program both games, though.

I saw a page that said they did the music, and I know that Amusement Vision also developed and used the same style techno in F-ZERO GX.

But Daytona? That's Crush40, isn't it?

Joe Redifer · 09/14/2007, 11:13 AM

WTF is Crush 40? I'm talking Daytona USA for the Dreamcast, not some grunge rock band.

Kitsunexus · 09/14/2007, 11:51 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/14/2007, 11:13 AMWTF is Crush 40? I'm talking Daytona USA for the Dreamcast, not some grunge rock band.

Didn't Crush 40 do the music for Daytona USA?

And Crush 40 is NOT just some grunge band, it's Jun Senoue and crew...reverence, bitch.

Joe Redifer · 09/14/2007, 08:08 PM

Oh, that guy? No I don't think he ever had anything to do with Daytona. Crush 40 sounds like a US garage band. I must admit I grew tired of Jun Senoue really fast... right around when Sonic Adventure 2 came out for the DC.

spenoza · 09/14/2007, 08:16 PM

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QuoteI am fond of quieter CD tracks. They tend to be less compressed (dynamic range, not file compression).
I agree, but Lords of Thunder has less dynamic range than most rock tracks typically would. It sounds very flat and very thin. Gate of Thunder destroys Lords of Thunder in recording quality.

OK, so LoT is a bad example of how quieter is often better

And it is strange how in some places when the music should get loud and crunchy the volume seems to fade a little. But at least the peaks likely aren't clipped. And yeah, GoT mops the floor with it, though I would argue stylistically as well.

Joe Redifer · 09/14/2007, 08:56 PM

I don't like how a lot of the music today is recorded much too loud. Look at it in a sound editor and you'll see peaking and clipping all over the place. It's like they are taking radio masters and releasing them on CD.

CrackTiger · 09/14/2007, 11:05 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 09/14/2007, 02:49 AMMegadeth is like, the SHITTIEST band on the face of planet Earth.

Sounds like you have PERSONNAL issues with the band. Even though Countdown To Extinction is a pro-animal song.

Kitsunexus · 09/16/2007, 02:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/14/2007, 08:56 PMI don't like how a lot of the music today is recorded much too loud. Look at it in a sound editor and you'll see peaking and clipping all over the place. It's like they are taking radio masters and releasing them on CD.

Why does everybody reference this without linking it!? >_<

http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicrange.htm

Keranu · 09/16/2007, 02:15 PM

Thanks for the link, that looks pretty interesting.

Kitsunexus · 09/16/2007, 02:16 PM

I actually meant to link this one.

http://www.cdmasteringservices.com/dynamicdeath.htm

I'm an idiot. >_<

Keranu · 09/16/2007, 02:32 PM

Haha, that's even more interesting! I didn't know that sound companies were amping up the volume that much - Ricky Martin is on FIRE!

Joe Redifer · 09/16/2007, 07:26 PM

Yeah, that Ricky Martin wave is exactly what I'm talking about. All music recorded in the US these days sounds like that, it seems.

spenoza · 09/19/2007, 11:55 AM

And they want us to buy SACDs and DVD Audio even though they're probably just going to pump them up again and clip the hell out of it. What's the point? CD audio can sound much better than it does currently. Why push the buck just so it can be abused again?

Kitsunexus · 09/19/2007, 03:35 PM

Exactly, SACD and DVD audio is a format that I will not buy into.

Turbo D · 09/19/2007, 04:12 PM

sacd dvd? Is that the new format for Nec's next gen console? Super Arcade Cd rom rom DvD?