Lots of TurboGrafx-16/CD/Duo Games FOR SALE

[Dreamcaster]

**this post has been edited and will remain up to date**

i also posted this at www.rfgeneration.com if you need any refrences, i am a long time member there. i have sold to a good handful of people there.

i know i am not a regular poster on this site but please hear me out for a minute. i was the seller ween_rocks on ebay and my account has recently been suspended due to ebays total lack of a brain. i sold off my tg-cd system long ago so i have no way of playing the games so they have to go. most of them are complete with cases and manuals with the rare exception of a few. if it is missing anything i will put a note. if nothing is written after the game title than the game is complete (i dont have any boxes). in relation to the games that say "comes/included with a hucard case", these are the games that were issued without cases and simply come with a official hucard case with a generic label with the games title. just wanted to clear up any confusion. you can leave a message here or email me at ween-rocksNO@SPAMhotmail.com (remove NO SPAM) with an offer or any questions. i will keep this list updated. i am verified with paypal and will also accept money orders or hidden cash in the mail. all of these games are the american versions. no bootlegs or copies. all hucards have sleeves. titles as follows:

battle royale
buster brothers
cadash
double dungeons
falcon (no manual, comes with a hucard case)
fighting street
final lap twin
gate of thunder 3 in 1 (all three manuals are there)
gunboat
hit the ice (no manual, comes with a hucard case)
jack nicklaus turbo golf (tg-16)
john madden turbo duo football
klax
magical dinosaur tour
military madness
moto roader
night creatures (hucard and sleeve only)
ordyne
power golf
raiden (no case)
sherlock holmes consulting detective vol 1 (includes the 8 newspapers)
soldier blade (no manual, comes with a hucar case)
sonic spike
splash lake
takin it to the hoop
the addams family
time cruise (no manual, comes with a hucard case)
tv sports basketball
tv sports football
tv sports hockey
world court tennis
world sports competition (comes with a hucard case)
ys book 1 & 2 w/ map regualr tg-cd version


japanese games:
cyber cross




SOLD:
jackie chans action kung fu
somer assault
new adventure island
sinistron
vasteel
forgotten worlds
valis II
neutopia II
bomberman 93
bomberman
talespin
jj and jeff
impossamole
bonk's adventure
chew-man-fu
cratermaze
king of casino
psychosis
victory run
bloody wolf
legend of hero tonma
tricky kick
turrican
ys III: wanderers from ys
bikini girls
chase h.q.
dungeon master: theorn's quest
prince of persia
dead moon
meteor blaster dx
r-type
ys book 1 & 2 (pack-in)
last alert
lords of the rising sun
samurai ghost
space harrier
valis III
vigilante
yo bro
minesweeper
human sports festival
record of lodoss war



thanks for checking out this list. and when you buy something please leave some feedabck here so others can know of my good reputation/service.

-mike

[Windancer]

Could ya maybe put what you like for the games or do you just take offers?

[Dreamcaster]

i am just taking offers.

[Lochlan]

i also posted this at www.rfgeneration.com if you need any refrences, i am a long time member there. i have sold to a good handful of people there.

i know i am not a regular poster on this site but please hear me out for a minute.

On your rfgeneration post you said:

i know i havent been posting here regularly lately but i need some help.

So you're not actually an active member of any online community?  And your ebay account has been suspended?  Sounds trustworthy, amirite?

I offered this guy $25 for the loose Jackie Chan hucard and asked if he would be willing to either ship first or use someone as an escrow.  (There's somebody on neo-geo I could ask and at least one person on here I would consider asking.)

This was his response:

there is no way i will be shipping first. $25 is a little low for the jackie chan game. i guarentee what i sell is what i am selling. i dont pull crap with anyone cause i wouldnt expect it back.

-mike

EDIT: I did not realize the game came with the manual, I thought it was a loose Hu

But I have his "guarentee"[sic] so I shouldn't be worried?

I wasn't surprised that he didn't want to ship first (even though it's accepted practice at, say n-g.com, some people think of it as a sure-fire way to get scammed), but I was a bit put off that he completely ignored my suggestion of using an escrow.  He could very well be legit (and I certainly hope he is) but his response (and the fact that he has a suspended ebay account yet doesn't go into any detail) raised some red flags for me.

And, mike: can you provide any kind of current and/or relevant references?

[Dreamcaster]

if you wanted to know why i was suspended from ebay, ask. others have and i gave them the same reply.
i was selling an ebook on ebay and they ended my listings so i put another listing for the same ebook but sold it as printed and mailed, which it was. they said i said "will receive withing 48 hours of payment" which it did not. they also said it was digitally delivered which it was not. and they suspended my account because of that. read my feedback on ebay. i dont rip people off. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=ween_rocks&ftab=AllFeedback&sspagename=STRK:ME:UFS there is an auto link to my ebay feedback. and yeah i dont regularly post on rfgeneration, but i have posted there off and on and sold/traded many times and many members can back up my excellent sale/trade behavior. here is a picture of everything.


i condensed a few other posts into this one post.........

i can provide pictures of any game on demand. either as a group or solo. all of these are on hand.
also i am paypal verified and always ship wit ha delivery confirmation.

also another recommendation posted very recently on the turbo list:

FS in the US‏
From: owner-turbo-listNO@SPAMmindrec.com on behalf of George Plamantouras (duo16NO@SPAMmindspring.com)
Sent: Fri 6/13/08 6:41 AM
To:  turbo-listNO@SPAMmindrec.com

Mike Stock is a member of the List who has been having some difficulty posting. He asked me to let you know he has a big list of things for sale including Bomberman '93, Ys I & II with map, Bikini Girls and more. If anyone out there is interested, his e-mail is: ween-rocksNO@SPAMhotmail.com . I have dealt with him before. He is a good trader so no one out there should hesitate to deal with him. thanks, george



i hope i have provided enough recomendations and proof that i am legitimate.

-mike


even though the ebay account is suspended you can still "contact seller" in the menu on the right hand side. i cant reply through ebays message service but if you leave the email address visible i can reply directly to that with the sent message still attached in the return email. i can prove who i am.

also here is part of the suspension email i got from ebay:

 
 MC005 eBay Registration Suspended: Miscategorization of Digitally Delivered Goods ( 213084470)   
 
Dear ween_rocks(ween-rocksNO@SPAMhotmail.com),

We regret to inform you that your eBay account has been suspended indefinitely for violating eBay's Miscategorization of Digitally Delivered Goods policy.

To ensure that members can find what they're looking for quickly and easily, items need to be listed in the appropriate category. Sellers need to choose the category that most accurately describes their item.

*****Please read this important information to help you bring your future listings into compliance.

Digital goods are often reproduced at little to no cost to the seller. On eBay, this creates the potential for Feedback Manipulation. To preserve the integrity of the Feedback system, all goods that can be digitally downloaded or transferred electronically (including e-mail delivery) must be listed using the Classified Ad format in the Everything Else>Information Products category only.




i am appealing their decision, and awaiting a response. so i may be back on ebay.

[Lochlan]

OK I looked at your ebay feedback.  Besides the fact that you have more than the usual amount of negatives and neutrals, since the account is suspended (sadly) there is no way to 100% verify your identity as that ebay user (or your story, for that matter).

Personally, when doing deals, I always make the seller send me a PM on ebay or digitalpress or wherever their feedback is, because using somebody else's feedback is a known scammer tactic.

You have pictures, and you "seem" real, but there are no guarantees on the internet.

Edit: ok, that turbo list post is good enough for me, check your PMs.

[2X4]

would it be nitpicky to ask for an alphabitized list?

[Paisa49]

would it be nitpicky to ask for an alphabitized list?

"Control f" works wonders when you're looking for something, a particular game title in your case, on a page. 

[Nazi NecroPhile]

would it be nitpicky to ask for an alphabitized list?

Excel says:

battle royale
bikini girls
bloody wolf
bomberman
bomberman
bomberman 93 (comes with a hucard case)
bonks adventure
buster brothers
cadash
chase hq (comes with a hucard case)
chew-man-fu (manual is missing front cover rest of it is there)
cratermaze
dead moon (comes with a hucard case)
double dungeons
dungeon master therons quest
falcon (no manual, comes with a hucard case)
fighting street
final lap twin
forgotten worlds
gate of thunder 3 in 1 (all three manuals are there)
gunboat
hit the ice (no manual, comes with a hucard case)
impossamole
jack nicklaus turbo golf (tg-16)
jj and jeff
john madden turbo duo football
king of casino
klax
last alert
legend of hero tonma (no manual, includes a hucard case)
lords of the rising sun (both manuals are there)
magical finosaur tour
meteor blaster dx
military madness
moto roader
neutopia II (comes with a hucard case)
new adventure island (comes with a hucard case)
night creatures (hucard and sleeve only)
ordyne
power golf
prince of persia
psychosis
raiden (no case)
r-type
samurai ghost (comes with a hucard case)
sherlock holmes consulting detective vol 1
sinistron (no case)
soldier blade (no manual, comes with a hucar case)
somer assault (comes wit ha hucard case)
sonic spike
space harrier
splash lake
takin it to the hoop
talespin
the addams family
time cruise (no manual, comes with a hucard case)
tricky kick
turrican
tv sports basketball
tv sports football
tv sports hockey
valis II
valis III
vasteel
victory run
vigilante
world court tennis
world sports competition (comes with a hucard case)
yo bro
ys book 1 & 2 (duo pack in version, no map)
ys book 1 & 2 w/ map regualr tg-cd version
ys III wanderers from ys

[spenoza]

Excel is your buddy (unless you are a statistics guru).

That's a pretty long list of things, there.

[Windancer]

His post Raised Flags for me also. I also don't like making offers. I would rather look at a set price and decide on the games I want. So I think I will skip this one. I hope your legit and get all that cool stuff sold its a nice collection of stuff. 

[Dreamcaster]

whats wrong with taking offers. just tell me which games you are interested in and what price you have in mind or if you have any "collection" games for ps2 (i.e. retro games) for trade and go from there.
you guys will see in a week or so when the couple people that i have worked deals with get their games and post that im legit. im a totally honest person. if i was trying to scam why would i tell you all upfront why/how i came about selling these games here. why would i go through all that and be so upfront. plus i have a recommendation from george on the turbo list.
i dont blame anyone for being cautious. im sure i will prove myself to everyone in time when people give me a chance.

-mike

[PCEngineHell]

I have heard both good and bad about Ween-Rocks,so I am not sure what to think on that one completely,but in the end,even someone with massively solid feedback can go out in a epic rip off blaze of glory,so caution is always a solid way to approach things when it comes to  a seller who's liquidizing such  a large valuable collection.

It also helps to have set prices in mind as starting points because many hate to haggle over prices and deals,and avoid sales sometimes all together when this seems to be the method as to how a deal will have to be completed.

[nat]

I agree on the last part, people like to say "make offer" when they already fully have in mind what they want for a title. If they don't like entertaining offers, why ask people to make them?

This time was no different, I made an offer, and was basically told "I want this for it." Of course, the amount wanted was much higher than what I offered so I just passed.

But really, and this is a tip to ANYONE doing big sales like this, if you already have in mind what you want for stuff, just put it down on the list. You'll save a lot of people time and hassle compiling lists of games they want and offers they want to make only to be told "I want this much for this, this much for this, etc". Well, uh, why wasn't that information presented along with the game list? Luckily this time around I was only interested in 1 title so it didn't bug me too much, but I've had times where I'll spend like an hour pouring over a big list like this and deciding what I'd be willing to pay for it all only to be told, "Sorry, I want $650, and not a penny less!"

[Dreamcaster]

the prices for these games waves in so many directions when you consider marketplaces. the prices i have in mind for some are high, i used to do ebay thats why. im an easy guy to work with. right now i am in negotiations on a few games with a few people. the point in offers is this:
obviousely im going to get a LOW offer. ($25 for bomberman 93.... come on its $45 no matter where you go)
i counter with a price lower then what i actually had in mind.
you in turn offer back another price.
thats the point.
i dont have my console anymore so playing these is not going to happen and having them sit here isnt going to do anything either for me.
i can understand the weariness. but i have already sold a game and that buyer got their delivery confirmation number TODAY when i shipped it this morning (they paid last night).
so sometime this week they will let everyone know i am legit.
and dont get mad if your offer is declined. im not trying to lose money. i have invested in these. i used to have EVERY game except for less then half of the duo games. i was a long time collector, im not stupid, or desperate. my lowest price is what i have in them, plus i need to make a profit and cover shipping.
i know im legit, and it will prove in time.

[nat]

obviousely im going to get a LOW offer. ($25 for bomberman 93.... come on its $45 no matter where you go)

Bullshit. Anywhere on eBay.... maybe. I got a mint complete-in-cardboard box copy in November 2007 for $30 from a non-eBay reseller. $25 if it's just the card and manual is perfectly fair.

the prices i have in mind for some are high, i used to do ebay thats why.

And that, my friend, is precisely the problem. Many folks here avoid eBay for US TG-16 gear for precisely this reason... The mentality there has spread over the past couple years, thanks to douchebag stores like GameSquad and Bullseye (thank god he's gone) putting loose Air Zonk and Samurai Ghost carts up with BINs of $100, that TG-16 stuff is somehow worth 10x more than Genesis and SNES stuff. C'mon, give me a break.

Anyway, I'm just blabbing about prices like I normally do when I see this ridiculous inflation.

As far as your reliability-- if George says you're a good trader, that's good enough for me, and should be for everyone else here. Although I never bought from you (due to the aforementioned eBay inflation factor), I've skimmed your auctions many times in the past and you seem legit enough to me.

I don't think anyone here need worry.

[Sinistron]

This is all true- having Ebay prices in mind is fine- if you're on Ebay.  This isn't Ebay.  This is a specialist community where we're all a little more informed of the actual prices of these games- for the most part the sales prices on these boards reflect that- and if they don't- you'll see some skepticism. 

As for "pm me your offer"- I don't think it's always a bad thing- I actually did this myself when I was selling manuals on here- but that is because I really wasn't sure what those were worth- they're not games- they're pieces of paper- however- in like 90% of the cases I asked for less than the offer.  I do think it's wrong to have people pm you their offers if you have a set price in mind- it's pretty scheming.  If someone offers you more than you expected to get- you can just say okay- that sounds about right.  I'm not down with that.  Again- and many here can vouch for this- when I did the "pm me your offer" I almost always asked for less than the offer- so I'm not a pot calling the kettle black.

[PCEngineHell]

Yea typically a loose Bomber Man 93 does fetch 20-25 so Nats offer was pretty much right on. Even on ebay it gets that price. And yea ebay did inflate the prices to some extent randomly,so you have to be mindful and check as many auctions as possible on titles to see what the true average going rate is there for something. Also how often it actually sells for at that price,but more often then not the average going prices I see on ebay (minus the rip off sellers and rare price surges) are the ones mentioned as average going values in forums, or close to them.  You just have to be mindful of that and always look for the best deals,and compare shop when possible if you want to save cash.

A few items do fluctuate alot,like Super System 3.0 cards US (went back and forth from $90-130,then all the sudden hit a very high point at past 170 bucks) or Japanese wise (used to be 10-15,now 20 to 30 sometimes),or Turbo Cd decks (used to be $90-100 but now on up to near $175) depending on exact condition/completeness, and supply/demand on the market,but game wise the games tend to stay at the same prices and every now and then lower in value for a bit, then go back up to normal depending on the time of the year/economy.

[Lochlan]

From an e-mail to me, from Mike (i.e. Dreamcaster, not Helgeson):

i am not taking any loss'. im trying to turn a profit or atleast break even.

So there you have it folks, the man is actively attempting to make money off a savvy group of Turbo experts.  Food for thought.

And I am the one who purchased Jackie Chan from Mike, so I will (hopefully) be posting soon about a good experience.

[PCEngineHell]

Nothing wrong in turning a profit if he paid lower then the current value and is trying to get the current value,but if he expects more then that on titles then he is going to fail,at least around here. No ones going to pay more then the current value just to make him feel better,at least I hope no one does. 

[nat]

Yea typically a loose Bomber Man 93 does fetch 20-25 so Nats offer was pretty much right on.

I actually wasn't the one that made the offer on Bomberman, I don't know who did, but that was the example he gave, so I had to address it.

My offer was on a different title...

[PCEngineHell]

Yea typically a loose Bomber Man 93 does fetch 20-25 so Nats offer was pretty much right on.

I actually wasn't the one that made the offer on Bomberman, I don't know who did, but that was the example he gave, so I had to address it.

My offer was on a different title...

Ahh,ic,well def wasn't me. I have no plans of making any offers to this guy here because I don't want to play Turbo Price is Right.

[Dreamcaster]

once again bomberman 93 is NOT a loose hucard. if you read my description... "most of them are complete with cases and manuals with the rare exception of a few. if it is missing anything i will put a note. if nothing then the game is complete (i dont have any boxes). in relation to the games that say "comes/included with a hucard case", these are the games that were issued without cases and simply come with a official hucard case with a generic label with the games title. just wanted to clear up any confusion."
if the game says "comes with a case" that still means the manual, and hucard sleeve are there too. just a blank official hucard case. 98% of the games listed are complete.
EVERY GAME HAS THERE HUCARD SLEEVES.
EVERY GAME HAS ITS ORIGINAL CASE (with exception to the games issued without cases and raiden, sinistron, and night creatures). night creatures is the only hucard/hucard sleeve only that i have listed.
apparently people are confused and i am trying to clear this up. you all are stating prices for hucard only games when mine are complete.
and selling my games here i figured id offer to people that appreciated it as much as i did/do. i loved my turbo grafx. only reason i started selling these off on ebay a bit ago was my deal with my wife was that i could buy magical chase, bikini girls, might and magic 3, etc but once we were ready to get a house i was to sell them to get money together for a down payment. and if you saw the ebay listings i had then you already knew that as it was in every listing.
and i would hope that georges recommendation would put everyone as ease.
i may have some prices in mind but if it gets to the right price im sure to sell it. thats why offers are best. some of these rarely ever went on ebay and when they did i went for them, some i found in used stores.
and whats wrong with making a profit. you expect me to just sell real low cause its your 'thing' come on. i figured id offer the games to the peopel that would appreciate them more, instead of someone that is just going to resell them or put them on ebay themselves. if you have a problem with my prices then fine, dont buy from me. you can just wait along til another ever shows up. i will not take a loss.

[nectarsis]

It's been stated before ..making a profit is ok, as long as you don't expect full Ebay prices.  Here theres no insertion fees, no final value fees, etc.  Many of us know multiple places (outside of Ebay), that have lower prices than Ebay.  Asking going value is ok, but keep in mind, many people on here are VERY well versed in pricing, and know what the unEbayinflated values are.

[PCEngineHell]

Ok,well just to be clear,later titles released in box,with plastic tray,sleeve and manual are still considered loose if you do not have the original plastic tray and box,regardless of what type of Tv Sports title case you recycle,because its not its original case and thats not how the game was issued,please keep this in mind. That means if all you have to Bomber Man 93 from its packaging and contents is the manual and original sleeve,then its considered loose compared to its original form of packaging/completeness. Generic/recycled cases do not make titles complete.

Also,these days Turbo stuff is very common at collector shops and all over ebay,so rare doesn't apply so much as the words popular demand do. And yea,a few years back,Turbo stuff was less common,but now its pretty much on there all the time,complete titles,loose ones,ect... Theres always a way to get the stuff now,not just in rare twice  a month auctions,flea market finds,ect.

[Dreamcaster]

thats why i am taking offers. my prices are probably going to be higher then what all of you have in mind, but i am a bargainer. going back and forth on a price til an agreement is made isnt hard. a few of the games i have NO price in mind and all i can do is entertain offers. im not difficult. i hate losing a sale but im not going to settle below market.

im not saying the recycled case makes it complete. it just has more of a value (manuals and cases were always $3 each when i got them from tzd). and having a manual doesnt make it loose. all it would be missing is a box and tray. still better then a hucard without a manual. i put no value on the sleeves, every game should have a sleeve reguardless.

[PCEngineHell]

If it doesn't have the actual box and plastic tray,then its loose,regardless of you having the manual and a added relabeled TV sports case. The Manual doesn't hold the game or make the packaging. This isnt a arguement your going to win. Its silly to call it complete when its far from it if you dont have the original package/box and plastic tray.

Example:
original Hu-card
original Sleeve
original Manual
original Plastic Tray
original Box

If you are missing 2 of the above 5 items then what you have is 60 percent of the product total. 60 percent does not = complete,nor does generic substitutions.

[Dreamcaster]

so you expecting to pay the same price for a game that either has or doesnt have the manual. thats what im hearing. sound like if it doesnt have all five then its worth the same no matter of its other contents? i dont agree if thats the point.

[PCEngineHell]

so you expecting to pay the same price for a game that either has or doesnt have the manual. thats what im hearing. sound like if it doesnt have all five then its worth the same no matter of its other contents? i dont agree if thats the point.

For Bomberman 93 without manual,around $20,with manual ,around $25. Dont try to be a smart ass,go back up and look at price quote. Being a smart ass will make you lose potential customers even faster.

[Dreamcaster]

im not being a smartass. im trying to understand what your saying. and where have you guys seen bomberman 93 for $25. and i dont really care for the tone im getting either. im not desperate to sell these. I AM SIMPLY OFFERING THEM TO THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD RESPECT THEM MORE!!!!!! if you dont like my prices then so be it. bitching about it isnt going to get anyone anywhere.
man a lot of you are rude and expect too much out of something.
where is this "market" where these games are so low priced?
i was a long time collector and i never could find them for below cost.

[VestCunt]

Lots of people have listed sales without prices on here.  As a buyer, it might not be the most fastest method to buy games, but it is kind of fun in an old-fashioned bargaining sort of way.

If Dreamcaster is determined not to take a hit on the prices he originally paid for these games, that's his choice and it just means they're going to sell slower (especially if many of them were purchased on ebay).  I priced my recent sale dirt cheap because I wanted to clear everything out as fast as possible.

Dreamcaster, you have some 'premium' prices but thanks for posting your sale on these forums.
(BTW, I can't believe how much your got for your Signature Edition copy of MB awhile back!  I could tell you put some thought into the description.)

obviousely im going to get a LOW offer. ($25 for bomberman 93.... come on its $45 no matter where you go)

Bullshit. Anywhere on eBay.... maybe. I got a mint complete-in-cardboard box copy in November 2007 for $30 from a non-eBay reseller. $25 if it's just the card and manual is perfectly fair.

$25 sounds right. 
Nat:  Thinking back, I had all sorts of strange ideas about the value of games when I stumbled upon these forums, let's be more gentle in our replies.

[Dreamcaster]

thank you. finally a voice of reason.
im not trying to be difficult, an ass, rude, etc with anyone with anything. i am the most stress free person out there. stress causes me ulcers so i cant get stressed. just hear me out people. the markets i am used to dealing with (even game stores) have prices i am used to. if an offer is below my expectations i still may consider it. if anyone that has been communicating with me over PM or email can attest to my politeness and easiness to work with. if you approach me with a calm tone i am that way back.
people get too defensive on forums. lighten up with me im just an old stoner that loved his games but has to get rid of them to live. ebay was my income. i have a wife and kids. i have obligations. i am not trying to sob story this but just see my perspective.

[VestCunt]

and where have you guys seen bomberman 93 for $25...

where is this "market" where these games are so low priced?
i was a long time collector and i never could find them for below cost.

There aren't many recent Bomberman 93 closings, but here are a couple references:
http://www.multimods.com/tgsoft.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bomberman-93-Turbo-Grfx-Duo-RARE-COMPLETE-MINT_W0QQitemZ130225113206QQihZ003QQcategoryZ139973QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(the fact this seller listed it as "grfx" rather than "grafx" may have lowered this complete copy slightly)

Edit:  oops, one more:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270235761442&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017

[Dreamcaster]

yeah i have had a lot of refrences to the ebay listing for bomberman 93. i have 40 in it. i would like 50 but 45 is best i can do. the 5 extra dollars covers shipping and a small profit. thats why my bomberman is $45. once these dwindle down my prices will too. the first month or so is going to be some solid prices but after that if bomberman 93 doesnt sell ill drop it to $40. everyone see my system to this. offers first, prices maybe later as the list dwindles. eventually these all have to go but im not in a big hurry to compensate.

[Sinistron]

It is true that a lot of us had mixed ideas about prices when first joining.  I paid 100 bucks for a steam hearts and nat just told me he nabbed his for 40 bucks  .  However- I think we all already knew that ebay prices are a bit inflated and that they shouldn't necessarily be the gauge for reasonable pricing- and that prices on forum sales should generally be better than on ebay- part of the reason for that is that there is informed feedback from knowledgeable collectors on these threads.  This is healthy.  In the end- it's dreamcaster's call of course- and no one has to buy anything- but the responses on this thread aren't getting out of hand.  A back and forth communication is being established with our thoughts on his sales- and with his thoughts in return.  Keep in mind Dreamcast that our responses aren't meant to be malicious- we'd like for you to actually sell some games just as much as we'd like for some of us to buy some off of you for fair prices- as long as the prices are indeed fair; at the moment they seem a tad inflated- and your reasoning that you're trying to match ebay prices doesn't taste very well to some of us.  There's reasons why many of us refer to ebay as Evil Bay- inflated pricing is one of them.  Again- this isn't Ebay- we're pretty used to seeing some great sales here- so when we see one which has ebay-ish pricing, admitted ebay referencing, "pm me your offer" when you already seem to know what price you're looking for, an attitude that says you know what you want to get and you'll go no lower (which makes the whole "pm me your offer" thing moot), an insistence that a game goes for 45$ when probably none of us paid that much for it- all of this will bring questions and comments.  You should have expected that. 

[Dreamcaster]

im not basing my prices on ebay. if anyone is familiar with my listings on ebay for the most part i was the lowest price in the stores section. i atleast tried to. ebay prices add a lot: fees, packing, asshole-ism, etc. and i know that doesnt apply here.  im trying to adjust my prices but with not a lot of people (5) not responding in a pm/email and then once hearing a price walking away without haggeling doesnt help. a little bit more openness would be cool. I AM VERY LAID BACK AND REASONABLE WHEN IT COMES TO DEALS or anything for that matter.
if you ever bought from me on ebay you know my service was good.

[Dreamcaster]

and im sure i might have over paid for some of my games but 'telling' me what you think they are worth and scolding me for my prices doesnt help either. just figured id add that.

[Sinistron]

im trying to adjust my prices but with not a lot of people (5) not responding in a pm/email and then once hearing a price walking away without haggeling doesnt help.

my lowest price is what i have in them

thats why i am taking offers. my prices are probably going to be higher then what all of you have in mind, but i am a bargainer.

if you dont like my prices then so be it.

if an offer is below my expectations i still may consider it.

the prices i have in mind for some are high

if anyone is familiar with my listings on ebay for the most part i was the lowest price in the stores section. i atleast tried to

Jekyll and Hyde- slow down.  I can't tell who is who.  Stick with one persona and roll with it.

Just figured I'd add that.

Furthermore you keep saying that you're only selling here because you figured we'd "respect" the games more- we aren't children.  It's clear that you're "simply" here because EBay suspended your account- for whatever reason.

[Dreamcaster]

to take the time to go through every post and try to put together a list of every inconsistency is quite a dick move. nice. i like how i am being treated here. im trying to work with you people and i keep getting shit back. im done responding in this forum. i have expalined myself more then i needed to. if anyone is interested in a game send me a message or email and i will talk to you there. im done dignifying myself with responses here when i just keep getting attacked. real nice community guys.

i will continue to keep the list up-to-date.

i am just not responding anymore in this thread. other threads, maybe. but not this one.
thanks for the wonderful treatment (except to those few that were polite to me and on my behalf, thank you!).

-mike
ween-rocksNO@SPAMhotmail.com (remove NO SPAM)

**I AM STILL SELLING THESE GAMES HERE JUST NOT RESPONDING IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE**

[PCEngineHell]

Sometimes brutal honest truth hurts. Sorry,were more concerned with fair prices and good business then your touchy feelings.

[Sinistron]

to take the time to go through every post and try to put together a list of every inconsistency is quite a dick move. nice.

Actually there were more- that was just a summary. 

And what's with the name calling?    Dude you're gonna hurt my feelings- I AM THE MOST LAID BACK DUDE EVAR.   

  sic' em champ!

[PCEngineHell]

???

im done responding in this forum.

Fixed

i am just not responding anymore in this forum thread. other forum Other thread topics, maybe. but not this one.
thanks for the wonderful treatment (except to those few that were polite to me and on my behalf, thank you!).

-mike
ween-rocksNO@SPAMhotmail.com (remove NO SPAM)

**I AM STILL SELLING THESE GAMES HERE JUST NOT RESPONDING IN THIS THREAD ANYMORE**

Sinis right,Jekyll and Hyde seems to fit well.

[Zeon]

Don't you think you guys are being just a tad hard on dreamcaster? I understand the concern of being scammed or of a person just passing through to sell some games, but I do see a bit of ridiculing starting to develop.

Although some of you genuinely posted with concern and questions which is perfectly reasonable, it seems as if others are on the offensive and ready to attack a new member. Yeah he did call Sinistron a dick, but he's probably getting fed up with being attacked. You have to admit Sinistron this:

Jekyll and Hyde- slow down.  I can't tell who is who.  Stick with one persona and roll with it.

Just figured I'd add that.

Furthermore you keep saying that you're only selling here because you figured we'd "respect" the games more- we aren't children.  It's clear that you're "simply" here because EBay suspended your account- for whatever reason.

Could be easily construed as being snotty, or sarcastic even if that wasn't your intent. Not that it makes dreamcaster's name calling justified.

@dreamcaster What I and others here do see though is that it seems you have just come to pcengine-fx.com to sell your games with no intent to contribute anything to the community via discussion or otherwise. This is frowned upon here as well as many other communities, and the reason sites like digitpress have a 10 day wait period before you can even enter the buy/sell forum. I know you are probably thinking "What better place to sell my tg-16 games than pcengine-fx.com." but there is really more to it than that. If you want to let people know you are not a scammer or an opportunist you should really join in some of the discussions of the on the boards or shoutbox. This let's us get to know you better and it makes you seem a lot less like the typical faceless scammer/person stopping by trying to make some cash selling games at near ebay prices.

Although you've started out on the wrong foot dreamcaster, I believe and hope that you can make up for that and become a valuable member here, just take my suggestions into consideration. If you do I think you will find this place is full of interesting people and conversations. Contrary to what this thread may have you believing, this place truly is a lot of fun.

As for everyone else I believe we should really give dreamcaster a chance instead of jumping the gun and making assumptions. Lets see how/if he responds and then we can go from there.

[Sparky]

i made an offer on a couple games, we have not agreed yet but he seems fine and willing, i think he is just figuring out where he stands with his pricing.

i am not a big fan of making offers but when i do i feel the right to fight for the price i offered and haggle even more and maybe finding some middle ground with the seller, ya it is a lot more work but hey you dont state a price well then let the negotiation dancing begin...and i am a good dancer!!

[geddon_jt]

You guys should *really* take a look at how you act in the sale threads at this place.
There is nothing at all wrong with a seller saying "make me an offer." You guys just complain and complain anytime someone sells something on these forums. If he posted prices, someone would jump in and whine about how unfair the prices are, or how the collectors ruined the system, etc etc.

This happened to me recently, and Ive seen it happen to just about every seller since. Look at rarebucky's recent sale thread where people spent 2 pages whining about a couple dollars of shipping charges. Hell, look at just about *any* sale thread on this place. People just jump in and start bitching about something.

It's a shame, I REALLY like this site, but the buying and selling is really more trouble than its worth. My advice to this seller is toss this stuff on ebay or visit another forum to sell his goods.

[Sinistron]

You have to admit Sinistron this:

Jekyll and Hyde- slow down.  I can't tell who is who.  Stick with one persona and roll with it.

Just figured I'd add that.

Furthermore you keep saying that you're only selling here because you figured we'd "respect" the games more- we aren't children.  It's clear that you're "simply" here because EBay suspended your account- for whatever reason.

Could be easily construed as being snotty, or sarcastic even if that wasn't your intent.

Zeon you're on the money there.  However if you see my first two posts on this thread they were of a different tone.  It was only after I started noticing all of these contradictions (I shouldn't have to point out that it's not a good thing coming from a seller) and after Dreamcast started complaining about the "scolding" (is this guy above criticism if his sale raises some red flags?) that I started getting a little irked.  That and his ongoing insistence that he's "simply" here to sell to people who "respect" the titles more.  Another way to read that is that he's hoping the people "respect" the titles in that they'd be willing to pay more for them- because they love them so much.

You guys just complain and complain anytime someone sells something on these forums.

That's funny geddon because I and the others "complaining" have bought many games off of this forum.  I'm getting sick of people thinking that I'm some kind of fucking sales killer and instant upstart.  Maybe if my name was "the happy bunny" instead of sinistron and if I wasn't as observant you'd think better of me?  When I see a sales thread I come on wanting to buy games- call me nuts.  I have over 220 pce games so yeah- buying is my main concern- not killing sales threads.  Also- shock of all shocks- I've actually bought something from dreamcast before on Ebay- this is not Ebay and he's applying some questionable sales tactics here.  Sellers who have drawn criticism themselves love to jump on other disputed sales threads saying "oh look at these guys who are only here to kill sales threads" but the truth is that you're only here on this thread in attempt to build a strong voice against the people who question.  That to me is the real "shame"- along with most of us checking out a thread in hopes of scoring some games and instead seeing yet another red flag producing seller on this beloved forum.

[nectarsis]

HMMMMMmm I've had sales threads on here for quite a while now, some is priced, some is make me an offer...and I haven't had anyone bash me/complain.  I have sold/traded with many members on here, all seem happy that I ship well, items are as described, etc.   The main problem as of late is people (not saying anyone in particluar), come here to sell there stuff fast, and drift away.  I'm sorry, anyone expecting Ebay prices (except for the rare instance of a big hitter game) without the BS of Ebay (fees, time listing, etc.) are going to get a bit og backlash.  Then it also falls on how they act/react.  Getting defensive is one thing, but these people usuallu resort to name calling, and shitty attitudes (see the thread on that awful PCE auction).

[Sinistron]

Geddon I just checked out and read again your sale thread in which there was a complaint-

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=4864.0

That complaint didn't come from me or from anyone on this thread.  As a matter of fact if you check it out you'll see clearly that I defended you in your sale thread (as did Mike Helgeson).  Don't lump us all together- we're different people with different concerns and the concerns are different case by case.

[geddon_jt]

Geddon I just checked out and read again your sale thread in which there was a complaint-

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=4864.0

That complaint didn't come from me or from anyone on this thread.  As a matter of fact if you check it out you'll see clearly that I defended you in your sale thread (as did Mike Helgeson).  Don't lump us all together- we're different people with different concerns and the concerns are different case by case.

Sinistron, I honestly wasn't pointing the finger at you, or any specific person here. I apologize if I came off that way, and didn't mean to offend anyone.

Really, I was just making a general observation. I'm an active member of a lot of other game sites and there is a big difference in how people act in sales threads here, at least based on what I've seen. It's definitely made me think twice about selling my extra Turbo-related stuff here.

[Dreamcaster]

yeah i said i wasnt going to reply in here again but.....
i didnt call him a dick. i called what he did a dick move.
i am not selling these here to expect more for them. i collected these games for a long long time and i love the turbografx dearly and love it more then any other console. id make love to it if the hucard slot wasnt too big (hahaha i can jokeabout myself). i would much rather have these go to a good home than a reseller. i could have very well taken these to the game shop and sold them (probably wouldnt have gotten as much but i wouldnt have to deal with what i have been here). i dont take any of the 'bashing' for anything. say whatever. i could care less. its just words. i hate conflict, i would much rather walk away from it then deal with it.
as sparky guessed earlier, i am trying to feel out my prices here. yeah im used to ebay, but im adapting to here, just give me a moment to get used to it. and sinistron why would you second guess me if you bought from me on ebay before? you obviousely had nothing bad to say. why would i change my business ethics? i came here well recommended, i dont think i deserved the treatment i received. i was nice until the point where i was fed up. start over? come on man hold in all the buttons on your turbopad and give this another shot.

also if you look at my profile i signed up a while back. Date Registered:  May 09, 2007, 11:03:34 PM.  i think i bought a game off of someone and that was it i think. i cant remember. but point being, i didnt just become a member.