sealed collectors?

[Eniqua]

Hi
I am new here and I just want to know if we have some sealed collectors in this message board.
I want to know what you think about this type of collecting games?
Is it a waste of money or a good investment?

best greetings
Eniqua from http://forum.sealedgameheaven.com , http://www.sealedgameauctions.com

[Lochlan]

I want to know what you think about this type of collecting games?
Is it a waste of money or a good investment?

Not only is it a complete waste of money (you're pissing away the intrinsic value, after all) but it's an insult to everyone who actually plays their games: you are actually preventing someone from enjoying something among a limited pool of product (that only grows smaller as time passes).

If you want something to look at instead of play with, collect stamps, coins, or baseball cards.

Sealed game collectors are OCD idiots who need to find a new hobby.

[termis]

I'm not sure if there are any *serious* sealed-game collectors here.  I mean, I think games in general are poor, poor choice as an investment.

And even as an investment, how many people are willing to put in *serious* money into sealed-games?

Anyone who'd be willing to be in, say, $10,000+ bucks into a completely sealed set of games for investment purposes (remember, you can only LOOK at the games in this case, not play!), instead of say, a company, property, or some financial product is never going to be the next Warren Buffet.

[Keranu]

There was one poster here who was insane for sealed stuff. He made a thread wanting to buy any sealed games he was missing and listed like a crap load that he owned.

Personally, I'm against collecting seals. Collecting games is a fun hobby and all, but they need to be played too. Also seals can be bad for any old games using cardboard boxes.

[Rainbow_Bright]

I want to know what you think about this type of collecting games?
Is it a waste of money or a good investment?

Not only is it a complete waste of money (you're pissing away the intrinsic value, after all) but it's an insult to everyone who actually plays their games: you are actually preventing someone from enjoying something among a limited pool of product (that only grows smaller as time passes).

If you want something to look at instead of play with, collect stamps, coins, or baseball cards.

Sealed game collectors are OCD idiots who need to find a new hobby.

Lochlan good post, apart from the ocd bit, I can't stand people making ocd into a joke or just using it as a throw away term. Just frequent ocd.co.uk and you will see what it's all about. Its got NOTHING to do with people being anal about collecting or cleaning or whatever. Just thought I'd say.
It absolutely destroys peoples lives and people using the term incorrectly (which seems to be happening all the time) is just making sufferers feel worse. Damn people, no wonder I'm not into making little dirty humans!

[Rainbow_Bright]

Back to the question.

[Zeon]

Keeping games sealed really REALLY irates me, unless it's a game that you happen to have a dupe of (in that case why not trade or sell?), is a game that is so horrible it should never EVER be opened let alone played, or you simply haven't got around to playing it yet but plan to eventually open...
Like it has been mentioned, there are WAAAYY better hobbies out there for collecting stuff for the sole purpose of looking at it, and much better ways to invest your money. By keeping a game sealed you are depriving somebody from playing that game like it was meant to be played, on the original hardware. I don't know about you, but I believe many people who program games, (at least in years past) want their games to be played and enjoyed, not stuck in their original packaging serving only to inflate the ego of some snob. I wouldn't mind this so much if it were something like baseball cards, whose only purpose is to look and marvel at them, but games were meant to be played damnit!!! I swear one of these days I'm gonna go on a sealed game opening rampage, opening every damned sealed collectors' games! It will be vigilante justice!

Oh and on a side note rainbow, you can be diagnosed with OCD, even if you only exhibit the compulsive type behavior, or are even just mildly obsessive. I know because I am diagnosed with OCD, but mainly for compulsions, and a little obsessive behavior. It is in no way interfering of my life, but i do understand that in severe cases it can be...

[Rainbow_Bright]

diagnosis requirements-

[Lochlan]

Let me clarify:

Sealed-game collectors are obsessive and compulsive -- but do not necessarily have a clinically-diagnosed disorder related to this behavior.

Sorry, I don't want to rant.

lol it's a bit late for that, mate.

[Rainbow_Bright]

I hate that term

[Lochlan]

lol

[Rainbow_Bright]

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[Lochlan]

I win.

Actually, we all lose.

I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish here, but you've managed to single-handedly derail this thread completely.

For whatever it's worth, your semantics game is pointless and misguided.  Sometimes people (myself included) use colorful language to exagerate or speak figuratively.  If I had've said that sealed-game collectors were "retarded" I wouldn't actually be claiming that they were literally retarded.  If I had've called them "anal-retentive" I would not actually be claiming that they had an unusual attachment to their excrement (regardless of Freud).

Is it offensive?  To the right person, in the right context: maybe.  But that type of person is likely to work themselves up over a myriad of relatively minor issues, and I can't be bothered to constantly censor myself to ensure the happiness of such a fragile and neurotic personality.

(What if I called a sealed-games collector anal-retentive and it turned out they were incontinent?  I'm so insensitive.)

[WoodyXP]

Some people get off on porn mags, others on sealed games.  To each their own I say. 

[Rainbow_Bright]

over and out,

[Lochlan]

Lochlan, people like you ALWAYS make excuses for being ignorant assholes. You'll keep making excuses until you die.

over and out, matey.

lol

[bust3dstr8]

Some people get off on porn mags, others on sealed games.  To each their own I say. 

Agreed....I like to be frugal, I forgo the porn collection and just masturbate to the sealed games.

CHEERS

[WoodyXP]

 

[guyjin]

Doesn't Tatsujin collect a lot of sealed games?

[geise]

It's a bit different with Tatsujin.  He lives in Japan, and has many ways of getting games.  We have to usually resort to ebay or generous people here.  Plus half of the sealed one's he has he keeps saying are for others.    I'm pretty sure he plays most of what he owns.  He just has so much I'm sure it's why most are sealed.  Plus half of the pc-engine collection is terrible games.  So one other reason most of those are still sealed.  He's just trying to be a completest with his pc-engine collection, and I find that fine in my book.  I just buy games I'll play though and I do buy sealed games.  Only so I can be the only/first one to play it.

[Keranu]

I have OCD, but hearing the term used in casual talk for collecting and stuff doesn't really bother me.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I've collected quite a few sealed games, sliced 'em open, and played the shit out of 'em.  Suck that shrink wrap!

Nobody should be be offended and tormented over misuse of OCD (or any other term, for that manner).  If anyone is gonna get their panties in such a twist over nothing, then I advise them to avoid the interwebz.

[Tatsujin]

lol..yes i have some sealed games, and no i'm no specific sealed collector. as i said before, if i find a sealed copy for the cheap, i buy it in case of don't own it yet but know it's the crap, means i play it before, so i don't have to open it. or i find a seald for the cheap of a game i already own but which is in bad or incomplete condition. so i keep both of 'em, one for the collection and on for the play.

[Rainbow_Bright]

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[Rainbow_Bright]

I have OCD, but hearing the term used in casual talk for collecting and stuff doesn't really bother me.

It may not bother you, but it does bother other people.

[Lochlan]

Let's leave it.

If you want to drop it why do you keep coming back to this thread?  It seems like you are posting compulsively, almost as if you had some kind of obsession...

[geise]

Down with OCD?...Yeah you know me! 

[MrFulci]

Rainbow, you're being OCD about OCD, in a thread whose main subject has almost been made to center around OCD because of your OCD comments.

[MrFulci]

Anyway, sealed games are OK with me, though I don't understand why someone would sink their money into having a collection that contains a large portion of sealed games.

There are better investments, especially with many of these games being made available on game collection disks, or for download on game systems. Not to mention re-released. Most games seem to have depreciated from the ORIGINAL MSRP, rather than appreciated. Many don't appreciate in value.

Whatever turns a person on, though. It's their money.


I have about 10-12 sealed games, nothing difficult to find, all TG-16 games. I keep them for trades/sales, as I purcahsed them for $10 a piece or so. I couldn't pass by them for the price, haha. I may dig out one or two and lsit them for sale on here sometime soon...

I do have a thing for display boxes for my TG-16 games, that is only ebcause since I collected them i always had the display boxes. Seemed to make sense to continue that way, though it does involve more space, as I need a box to store the display boxes.

[Rainbow_Bright]

Let's leave it.

If you want to drop it why do you keep coming back to this thread?  It seems like you are posting compulsively, almost as if you had some kind of obsession...

Shit! I just found out my workmate has anorexia! she says she's on a diet!

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I wasn't tormented or "offended", I just don't like the term being thrown around.

I was speaking to OCD sufferers in general (not just you) and as a response to your assertion of the effects of the term's misuse:

people using the term incorrectly (which seems to be happening all the time) is just making sufferers feel worse

In short, if ignorance or callousness is going to depress a person, then said person should avoid the internet.  It's rife with both.

Is it ok to be pissed in real life? I suppose its like the term fag or retard, people who use them piss me off too. I realize its silly to be pissed off over someone over the net, but in real life, you better believe it, I am gonna speak my mind.

It's fine to get all worked up (though no more useful in person than on the internet) and to speak your mind.  Just don't be surprised when others do the same or if their views differ from your own.

Let's leave it.

You first. 

[MissaFX]

I'm not a collector of shrink wrapped things.  I make fanboys cringe.  I love enjoying my collectables.  When I buy something sealed, I usually open it and take it out of the package because for me it is no fun to stare at some box with a neglected toy inside.  Now I also keep all my collectables in mint condition, but I sure don't like the idea of them being cooped up inside the musty box.

[Digi.k]

Out of all the pc engine games I've now re-bought, 3 of them were completely brand new.. Legend of Hero Tomna, KikiKaikai and Salamander were all still shrink wrapped..

When they arrived through my letterbox I just tore off the wrapping and played the games.. Plus I too love looking at the booklet and stuff

[Lochlan]

Shit! I just found out my workmate has anorexia! she says she's on a diet!

If an anorexic person read this -- and saw you using the term "anorexia" in a jest -- it could destroy lives.

Thank god I'm here to put a stop to this madness.

When I buy something sealed, I usually open it and take it out of the package

Me too.  I love buying sealed games if I can find them for an affordable price.  There's nothing quite like opening a brand-new game that's 10-20 years old (or occasionally even older!)

[Ceti Alpha]

Shit! I just found out my workmate has anorexia! she says she's on a diet!

If an anorexic person read this -- and saw you using the term "anorexia" in a jest -- it could destroy lives.

Thank god I'm here to put a stop to this madness.

When I buy something sealed, I usually open it and take it out of the package

Me too.  I love buying sealed games if I can find them for an affordable price.  There's nothing quite like opening a brand-new game that's 10-20 years old (or occasionally even older!)

Right now the sealed games I own are Sapphire, Riot Zone, and Dynastic Heroes (PCE). I've kept them sealed until my Duo arrives and I can rip open the plastic and get gaming right pronto like. 

[Rainbow_Bright]

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[Lochlan]

Lochlan,please go away, you know it was my little way of showing you how ignorant you are.

You're not so good at this sarcasm thing, are you?

Sent to me in a PM by this "rainbow" fellow, who I do not know:

I was pointing out how damn ignorant you are and you know it. I don't like you, I've seen you on other forums acting like a prick, so shut it, weasel.

Seems like an innapropriate use of the PM system to me, but what do I know?  (After all, I'm purportedly "damn ignorant".)

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Right now the sealed games I own are Sapphire, Riot Zone, and Dynastic Heroes (PCE). I've kept them sealed until my Duo arrives and I can rip open the plastic and get gaming right pronto like. 

Great plan, just don't let that dang cellophane slow you down when the much anticipated time comes.

[Rainbow_Bright]

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[Turbo D]

When I buy something sealed, I usually open it and take it out of the package

Me too.  I love buying sealed games if I can find them for an affordable price.  There's nothing quite like opening a brand-new game that's 10-20 years old (or occasionally even older!)

I'm that way too! I love buying old sealed games and opening them. I never had any turbo games when I was young, so opening new ones gives me an awesome feeling.

[Tatsujin]

Right now the sealed games I own are Sapphire, Riot Zone, and Dynastic Heroes (PCE). I've kept them sealed until my Duo arrives and I can rip open the plastic and get gaming right pronto like. 

lolmax!

[Lochlan]

Lochlan, don't make me post links that will show you for what you really are.

OH NOOOOO, I MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING EMBARRASSING ON THE INTERNET ONCE.  PLEASE DON'T TELL MY SECRETS!!!

[Lochlan]

I'm that way too! I love buying old sealed games and opening them. I never had any turbo games when I was young, so opening new ones gives me an awesome feeling.

Totally.  It also, in a way, makes me feel like a kid again -- even when its from something like the TG, which I didn't start getting into until around early highschool or so.

Another thing about it that I like is that it can be a great education into the condition of games that are fresh from the factory.  I've bought more than one sealed game that had "factory" damage, usually just some minor manual creasing or something.  Even if a game is brand new and has been untouched by human hands for more than a decade, sadly there is no guarantee that you will get a "mint condition" game.  Thankfully, that is not my first priority.

[Ceti Alpha]

Right now the sealed games I own are Sapphire, Riot Zone, and Dynastic Heroes (PCE). I've kept them sealed until my Duo arrives and I can rip open the plastic and get gaming right pronto like. 

lolmax!

haha. 

...it may not be teh original, but it is sealed. 

[geise]

This forum needs an "LOL Files"  This is great.  *grabs more popcorn*

[Rainbow_Bright]

salted popcorn please.

[PCEngineHell]

I understand why people collect sealed games. Rare titles do nothing but slowly go up in value always when sealed over time. Its a good way to ensure you will have items to sell in the future incase you need alot of quick cash. However games are meant to be played,that other main aspect of collecting sealed stuff, its mostly for pride issues. Seeing the rare stuff sealed on a shelf in a collection room along side the normal opened collectibles, ect... is nice and impressive. Nothing wrong with any of it.

[Lochlan]

I understand why people collect sealed games. Rare titles do nothing but slowly go up in value always when sealed over time. Its a good way to ensure you will have items to sell in the future incase you need alot of quick cash.

1) In my experience, most prices plateau at some point, and it's ultimately all about supply and demand.  What's popular among vintage game collectors today might not be as popular (or might be even more popular/the same) five or ten years from now.  Games are a risky investment, although you are correct in that sealed games hold/appreciate value far better than previously-played games.

2) There is a lot we do not know about the actual lifetime of the game media; the technologies used are far too young to make any kind of absolute assertion about how long a game will work until it will die.  Mysterious "bit rot" can one day ruin a game that works today.  Most/nearly-all games will likely be ok during our lifetimes, but I often wonder what the "game collector" will be like in distant generations.  (I realize that this is only tenuously related to the subject at hand, but I think it's an important point that distinguishes game collecting from more "traditional" types of collecting such as coins, art, "antiques", et. al.)

However games are meant to be played,that other main aspect of collecting sealed stuff, its mostly for pride issues. Seeing the rare stuff sealed on a shelf in a collection room along side the normal opened collectibles, ect... is nice and impressive. Nothing wrong with any of it.

I would say it's lame wankery more than "nice and impressive", but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

(As I believe I may have said in this thread already,) if a collector wants something that will serve no other purpose other than to please the eye, there are FAR better hobbies to enjoy.  And consumerism as an "investment" that will "only" be enjoyed visually (with no other interaction) can be better enjoyed with things like paintings, photography, sculpture -- or if those aren't your tastes, perhaps you like rare vintage posters, star wars figures, Japanese wood block prints, or some other nerdly hobby or interest you feel neurotic about (in a good way).

No doubt the people who do it feel some kind of happy childhood memories from having these relics from a bygone era in gaming, existing as if they were snatched right out of the 80's or 90's. I've also seen a few collectors whom I believe only want to be envied by other internet nerds, which is truly a petty and hollow pursuit.

Finally, my opinions stem from a belief that videogames, in addition to being an extremely entertaining way to spend time, are sacred and important cultural artifacts.  The fact that a sealed-game market even exists means that there is a huge (sometimes exponential) price difference for games I would like to buy.  I can not support a hobby that is in direct conflict with mine (collecting and playing games).

Is this extremism?  Probably, but I don't think having sealed games is bad per se -- I have a few, which I plan to open at some point when I play them.  Specifically, what I fully believe and support is that "sealed games collectors" are out of their freakin' minds.

[Eniqua]

I'm not a collector of shrink wrapped things.  I make fanboys cringe.  I love enjoying my collectables.  When I buy something sealed, I usually open it and take it out of the package because for me it is no fun to stare at some box with a neglected toy inside.  Now I also keep all my collectables in mint condition, but I sure don't like the idea of them being cooped up inside the musty box.

you just can buy one cheap, used copy to play the game and one sealed copy for your collection!

[MotherGunner]

I recently bought a ton of PC Engine games mostly rare and sealed and what is the first thing I did?  OPENED THEM and play the shit outta them.  That's how I roll.  I truly am disgusted with people that hold onto sealed games and screw someone else out of enjoying it just because it adds to their wet "dream"...*girly sigh*

See Adol2009

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=6297.0