Capcom Classics Collection

jlued686 · 08/30/2005, 02:36 PM

I seem to be the guy who starts these threads...

But Capcom is releasing Capcom Classics Collection, which includes - among other things - Forgotten Worlds.

Apparently comes out next month (September), so if you haven't picked up the Turbo CD version, you can get it for your Xbox or whatever, along with SF2:CE, Bionic Commando, and others.

esteban · 08/30/2005, 05:00 PM

Would that be the arcade Bionic Commando or the NES version? The NES version is superior, IMO, but it would be neat to play the arcade version on a console (first time it was ever ported, I believe).

jlued686 · 08/30/2005, 07:08 PM

Arcade version, from what I read.

Keranu · 08/30/2005, 07:50 PM

NES versions are typically always better than the arcade versions ;) . Incredible.

neokellyzero · 08/30/2005, 09:26 PM

QuoteKeranu Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:

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NES versions are typically always better than the arcade versions ;) . Incredible.

Fun factor- 98% of the time for sure. but as far a cosmetics and asthetics go- the nes did kinda suck-

Keranu · 08/30/2005, 10:10 PM

Never! I prefered the NES versions in terms of sound, graphics, and controls a lot of times as well! NES is amazing.

doomfarer75 · 08/30/2005, 10:25 PM

Bionic commando absolutely ruled. so innovative, colorful, good technique to master, and i can still hear the sound when your grappling arm catches something..amazing game..i wish it was the NES version!

GUTS · 08/30/2005, 10:28 PM

That's awesome, I hadn't heard about that one. Along with the 2 awesome Taito Memories PS2 collections, the last few months have been great for compilations.

It sucks though that it won't have the NES version of Bionic Commando also, I want to see some exploding Hitler on my PS2.

esteban · 08/31/2005, 12:13 AM

Quote from: GUTSIt sucks though that it won't have the NES version of Bionic Commando also, I want to see some exploding Hitler on my PS2.

You mean Master D! Any similarity to an actual person is purely coincidental.

Ninja Spirit · 08/31/2005, 12:37 AM

Better off getting Forgotten Worlds on the new Capcom classics.

The home conversions really don't cut it to the arcade.

No 2 player on the Turbo CD, but uses the artificial "2-player" trick where the second controller moves Nameless' satellite option.

Some missing stages on the Sega Genesis version one of them being my favorite, the volcano cloud stage with the boss twin giants.

GUTS · 08/31/2005, 01:03 AM

Quote from: stevek666You mean Master D! Any similarity to an actual person is purely coincidental.

Haha, it still blows my mind that Capcom got "damn" AND the exploding head past nintendo's censors. How the hell they managed that is probably a really, really awesome story.

lord_cack · 08/31/2005, 01:33 AM

Quote from: Ninja SpiritBetter off getting Forgotten Worlds on the new Capcom classics.

The home conversions really don't cut it to the arcade.

No 2 player on the Turbo CD, but uses the artificial "2-player" trick where the second controller moves Nameless' satellite option.

Some missing stages on the Sega Genesis version one of them being my favorite, the volcano cloud stage with the boss twin giants.

Also doesn't the PS2 controler just seem like with the dual analog it would make playing the game much easier/more fun?

TR0N · 08/31/2005, 03:09 AM

I still bum out no 1941 counter attack,Black Tiger,Magic Sword and Tiger Road etc.

Still i'll get it for these games.

Trojan
Bionic Commando
Forgotton Worlds
Final Fight
Legendary Wings
Section Z

The rest i got on, Capcom Generations for my Saturn all ready imo.

CrackTiger · 09/07/2005, 04:12 PM

Quote from: Ninja SpiritBetter off getting Forgotten Worlds on the new Capcom classics.

The home conversions really don't cut it to the arcade.

No 2 player on the Turbo CD, but uses the artificial "2-player" trick where the second controller moves Nameless' satellite option.

Some missing stages on the Sega Genesis version one of them being my favorite, the volcano cloud stage with the boss twin giants.

The Turbo version of Forgotton Worlds is one of the best arcade to home console ports of the 16-bit generation.

It may not have 2 player simultaneous play, but the gameplay is spot on(other than not having the arcade twisty sticks) and the graphics are pretty much identical(same with Sidearms).

I still prefer playing the Turbo version over my MAME cabinet(lying on a couch with a pad in my hands).

Its a much more faithful than the 'legendary' ports(Strider/GnG Genesis, SFII SNES).

I still can't wait to play the Capcom Classics Collection version though, but it also won't have the same controls as the arcade.

As for the Classics pack in general, it seems like most people point out titles that are missing, but lets face it... Konami and Midway have been ripping us off for years with their 'classics' sets, putting as little as 1 meg of (not so hot)games on a disc and charging full price.

I was grateful for the Saturn Capcom sets. But this is by far the greatest hits collection ever. I hope that enough people buy it that we'll get another one with the remaining games(like Black Tiger).

One thing that still puzzles me: why the hell isn't there a Gamecube version? It'd cost nothing to develop and Capcom still supports the system.

MotherGunner · 10/10/2005, 10:25 PM

They just announced the PSP Version, most notably will contain Sidearms!

TR0N · 10/10/2005, 10:36 PM

Quote from: MotherGunnerThey just announced the PSP Version, most notably will contain Sidearms!

Well screw crapcom then i'm not shelling out $ to get a psp for that.

I'll just stick with the PCE version insted of Sidearms.

MotherGunner · 10/10/2005, 10:43 PM

I don't know, maybe I'll just buy the game and hold on to it until the PSP are really cheap.

In the meantime, I get some on Sidearms Special, when I finally get one. I still have the Hucard in the meantime.

SNKNostalgia · 10/11/2005, 02:20 AM

Well I just got the Capcom Classics for PS2. I have to say this is a must buy either way you look at it. There is more than you can imagine packed into this for a cheap price. Forgotten Worlds owns on the arcade version of this, man its way too fun (easy control, you can use both Analogs for this game). Also the Ghouls n Ghost arcade blows away all other ports as well.

You get remixed music as an option for some games. It isn't quite CD audio but at a better MIDI quality of some sort on most games. Also you can change screen sizes, set the challenge levels and points for extra lives, as well as controls. There are art sketches, lots of information on the games creation and also character info that is silly. The only thing that makes me mad is some of the extra games that you wish were on it are only on the PSP version comming soon (Like Strider, and some other good CPS1 titles) . I hope they make a collection 2 for PS2 soon.

akamichi · 10/11/2005, 02:53 AM

I haven't seen Capcom Classics yet, but nowadays I ain't satisfied with any of these retro compilations because you get like 5 games for $50 and most of the time you only want one of them.

Capcom and others like them need to take a look at Taito with their Taito Memories collection. Two volumes with 25 games each for $45/ea. So that comes out to less than $2 per game.

Sure, there's some duds in there, but then again, you get G-Darius, RayStorm, Bubble Bobble, Legend of Kage, Rastan, the original Space Invaders etc for ~$2. Can't beat that.

Only minor disappointment I have is that Tatsujin 1 or 2 aren't in any of the volumes. There's probably other games I would have liked to have, but I'm very satisfied with both volumes.

To all the big companies (minus Taito) who do retro compilations, you need a minimum of 20 (unique) games on there for ~$50 max!

GUTS · 10/11/2005, 03:53 AM

Capcom has over 20 games and it's only $20. Capcom rules.

akamichi · 10/11/2005, 04:06 AM

Quote from: GUTSCapcom has over 20 games and it's only $20. Capcom rules.

Doh! I stand corrected.

I'll have to check that one out.

jlued686 · 10/11/2005, 12:52 PM

Quote from: MotherGunnerThey just announced the PSP Version, most notably will contain Sidearms!

I haven't heard that. Do you have a link to the news? That'd be awesome.

TR0N · 10/11/2005, 02:37 PM

Quote from: akamichiI haven't seen Capcom Classics yet, but nowadays I ain't satisfied with any of these retro compilations because you get like 5 games for $50 and most of the time you only want one of them.

Capcom and others like them need to take a look at Taito with their Taito Memories collection. Two volumes with 25 games each for $45/ea. So that comes out to less than $2 per game.

Sure, there's some duds in there, but then again, you get G-Darius, RayStorm, Bubble Bobble, Legend of Kage, Rastan, the original Space Invaders etc for ~$2. Can't beat that.

Only minor disappointment I have is that Tatsujin 1 or 2 aren't in any of the volumes. There's probably other games I would have liked to have, but I'm very satisfied with both volumes.

To all the big companies (minus Taito) who do retro compilations, you need a minimum of 20 (unique) games on there for ~$50 max!

Now i wouldn't say that thanks to SOA, we will have a few games drop on Taito Legends collection

As for why who knows again u.s gamers get screwed.

GUTS · 10/11/2005, 03:23 PM

I have the Taito Legends by Sega and I can say that you don't need to worry about being shafted. While t doesn't have the later games like Raystorm and Elevator Action Returns, it does have some BADASS games that weren't on the Japanese releases (all the light gun games and Thunderfox). I'm more than happy with it, I hope it sells well enough that we see a volume 2.

MotherGunner · 10/11/2005, 06:21 PM

Quote from: jlued686
Quote from: MotherGunnerThey just announced the PSP Version, most notably will contain Sidearms!

I haven't heard that. Do you have a link to the news? That'd be awesome.

Yeah its in the latest issue of Game Informer Magazine, found at Barnes and Noble or Gamestop.

Check it out.

TR0N · 10/12/2005, 04:11 PM

Quote from: GUTSI have the Taito Legends by Sega and I can say that you don't need to worry about being shafted. While t doesn't have the later games like Raystorm and Elevator Action Returns, it does have some BADASS games that weren't on the Japanese releases (all the light gun games and Thunderfox). I'm more than happy with it, I hope it sells well enough that we see a volume 2.

Cool still boggles the mind when... some games are drop from a collection.

I just hope if vol2 get's release here it will have, cadash on it still.

SNKNostalgia · 10/14/2005, 06:05 PM

Quote from: TronCool still boggles the mind when... some games are drop from a collection.

I just hope if vol2 get's release here it will have, cadash on it still.

Yeah Cadash for arcade would be nice to play. Still the TG16 version is the best out of the 3 versions. Genesis version is pretty poopy.

Yeah I forgot to mention it was $20 for the Capcom Collections. You can't beat a price like that for what you get in the game. I am just glad to have an arcade perfect copy of Final Fight for a console now. I have all versions of Final Fight for other ports. Sega CD (best port ever, does have a lack of color and details compared to the SNES version but the CD audio, all demos, voices, all stages, 3 characters and 2 player makes up for it 10x.) GBA one is nice, SNES is ok for 1990 even though it was missing a lot.

*There are some funny details with the girls on the different versions. SNES and GBA ones they are replaced by these gay dudes. So the message from Nintendo was it's not ok to beat up girls but its ok to go gay bashing

. Another thing is the girls low-cut shirts don't rise up on the Sega CD version when punching them but in the arcade of course its all there.*

TJ · 10/15/2005, 12:30 AM

Quote from: SNKNostalgia*There are some funny details with the girls on the different versions. SNES and GBA ones they are replaced by these gay dudes. So the message from Nintendo was it's not ok to beat up girls but its ok to go gay bashing . Another thing is the girls low-cut shirts don't rise up on the Sega CD version when punching them but in the arcade of course its all there.*

The other thing I noticed in both the GBA version and even the Capcom Classics "arcade perfect" version is that in the intro, when the leader of the Mad Gear gang tells Mike Haggar to turn on the TV, it doesn't show Jessica tied up in the chair. It just shows the Mad Gear guy, even though they left the sound effect of Jessica squealing intact. Even the SNES version had the shot of her tied up, although I think her clothing was changed from a bra to a bustier or a tube top or some damn thing. I guess the GBA change doesn't surprise me that much, but for them to have taken it out of the arcade version on the CCC kinda sucks -- especially since the shirts on the girls in the game still fly up too far when ya punch 'em in the face =P (Other than that though, I love the CCC -- as soon as I got it home I sat down and played all the way through Forgotten Worlds!)

Also, is it just me, or does anyone else think that rapper Li'l John looks just like the Mad Gear guy in the intro? YEEEAAHHH!

GUTS · 10/15/2005, 08:15 PM

That scene wasn't in the US arcade version of the game according to one of the programmers, he said that they used the exact rom capcom supplied them and didn't change anything.

CrackTiger · 10/15/2005, 11:55 PM

I just bought an XBox to play the Capcom Classics Collection, even though I have a nice MAME cabinet and dedicated SFIICE & Final Fight cabs.

After playing most of these games on real arcades and MAME for a long time, I can say for a fact that most of the games on CCC are far from arcade perfect.

I don't have time to get into all the details, but most are screwed up one way or another, often affecting gamelay.

SFII's are the worst, mainly because of the messed up sound. I'd accept the loading between fights if it at least felt arcade perfect inbetween.

What sucks is that the Saturn Generations sets seemed way better and more or less perefect ports(of the few I played).

Its still the best game for XBox in my opinion, since I love early Capcom arcade games so much. But I was very dissapointed.

While I'm posting about this game, does anyone know if its possible to turn off the blurring effect? Its a real pain after being let down by the ports.

akamichi · 10/16/2005, 03:20 AM

I managed to get a copy of this CCC. Decent selection but I think I could have done without 3 versions of Street Fighter II. Anyway, I grew up playing the Japanese and US versions of each game and right off the bat I noticed some minor differences from the arcade versions I grew up with. Nothing big as they don't affect the gameplay but these aren't the "originals".

I haven't been through all the games yet, but I like the little bonus sections of each game. What really makes me laugh is the "little known facts" which most of not all seem to be "In Japan this game was called [blah] which translates to [foo]".

Oh, and Trojan is impossible.

A good deal for $20, but at least Taito Memories Collection lets you insert coins.

GUTS · 10/16/2005, 03:39 AM

I'd like to hear about all these differences in the versions, one of the original programmers posted quite a bit answering people's questions after the game came out and he assured everyone time and again that they didn't alter the roms in anyway or form from what Capcom supplied them. Nearly every complaint I saw was stuff that was present in the original game and people either thought they remembered or didn't remember (other than the SF games of course since they were ports of the PSX ports of the original games).

ParanoiaDragon · 10/16/2005, 05:01 AM

Hey GUTS, was that over at Gamefaqs? I was there as DrakeWoods. I can assure everybody, that there will be a Vol 2. The likely candidates for that collection are:
Chiki Chiki Boys
Sidearms
Wonder 3
...doh, that's all I can think of right now, too tired. I did mention to the guy about putting Son Son 2 on there, which was a PCE exclusive. Also, NES ports are not out of the question. Keep in mind, it's not called the Capcom Arcade Collection! It has Super Ghouls n Ghosts, which was only on the SNES.....& I think maybe the GBA. So NES versions of Trojan, Legendary Wings, Black Tiger, Bionic Commando, etc could happen. Heck, maybe the Disney games too in time, who knows. But things are looking good for atleast a 2nd vol if not more from what I recall.

CrackTiger · 10/16/2005, 01:59 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragonHey GUTS, was that over at Gamefaqs? I was there as DrakeWoods. I can assure everybody, that there will be a Vol 2. The likely candidates for that collection are:
Chiki Chiki Boys
Sidearms
Wonder 3
...doh, that's all I can think of right now, too tired. I did mention to the guy about putting Son Son 2 on there, which was a PCE exclusive. Also, NES ports are not out of the question. Keep in mind, it's not called the Capcom Arcade Collection! It has Super Ghouls n Ghosts, which was only on the SNES.....& I think maybe the GBA. So NES versions of Trojan, Legendary Wings, Black Tiger, Bionic Commando, etc could happen. Heck, maybe the Disney games too in time, who knows. But things are looking good for atleast a 2nd vol if not more from what I recall.

Does anyone know if any of the unfinished roms for Black Tiger NES have ever surfaced online?

If Capcom were to include classics from any platform, then they could put out a dozen 20+ game sets that everyone would be satisfied by.

GUTS · 10/16/2005, 02:01 PM

Yeah gamefaqs, that guy was pretty cool answering everybody's questions and stuff. I was armamentarmedarm or kingofcrusher or something over there, can't remember.

If Black Tiger is on the next volume that would be awesome, I've never been able to actually beat that one in the arcade. Next to Forgotten Worlds its one of my favorite Capcom games, I'm stoked.

CrackTiger · 10/16/2005, 02:10 PM

Quote from: akamichiI haven't been through all the games yet, but I like the little bonus sections of each game. What really makes me laugh is the "little known facts" which most of not all seem to be "In Japan this game was called [blah] which translates to [foo]".

Oh, and Trojan is impossible.

A good deal for $20, but at least Taito Memories Collection lets you insert coins.

Trojan is one of the few games on the disc that I've taken the time to finish so far.

Its one of those games tht you have to master first and then factor in luck during each cheap spot.

Its glitchy(some seriously messed up stuff happened), but I don't remember if all the glitches were in the original.

CrackTiger · 10/16/2005, 02:12 PM

It'd be cool if in future sets they included multiple ports/versions of particular titles.

Especially if they included all the euro/u.k. computer versions(even if they didn't make them) since we never got to see them and there are lots of home ports of games that we never got at all(like Black Tiger).

CrackTiger · 10/16/2005, 02:15 PM

Quote from: GUTSYeah gamefaqs, that guy was pretty cool answering everybody's questions and stuff. I was armamentarmedarm or kingofcrusher or something over there, can't remember.

If Black Tiger is on the next volume that would be awesome, I've never been able to actually beat that one in the arcade. Next to Forgotten Worlds its one of my favorite Capcom games, I'm stoked.

Black Tiger is one of the few earlier Capcom arcade games without cheap sections where you really can beat the game in a single life each time once you master it.

And best of all, you don't have to play the game through a second time to see the real ending.

I have a cocktail cabinet Black Tiger as the coffee table in my living room.

ParanoiaDragon · 10/17/2005, 09:46 PM

Quote from: guestDoes anyone know if any of the unfinished roms for Black Tiger NES have ever surfaced online?

If Capcom were to include classics from any platform, then they could put out a dozen 20+ game sets that everyone would be satisfied by.

I just did some searching of the more reliable sites, & didn't find any roms for Black Tiger. Is it just me, or do I remember there being a picture of the NES version in some old ad or something?

CrackTiger · 10/17/2005, 10:00 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon
Quote from: CrackTigerDoes anyone know if any of the unfinished roms for Black Tiger NES have ever surfaced online?

If Capcom were to include classics from any platform, then they could put out a dozen 20+ game sets that everyone would be satisfied by.

I just did some searching of the more reliable sites, & didn't find any roms for Black Tiger. Is it just me, or do I remember there being a picture of the NES version in some old ad or something?

All I know is that it was advertised as coming soon in the back of early (Mega Man 1?) Capcom NES manuals.

esteban · 10/17/2005, 10:47 PM

Quote from: guestI have a cocktail cabinet Black Tiger as the coffee table in my living room.

Dude, the next time I'm hanging out in Canada...

Keranu · 10/17/2005, 11:30 PM

Oh man a cocktail cabinet of Black Tiger as a living room coffee table... awesome! Almost as awesome as the dining table of a NES cocktail version of Ninja Gaiden that Jimmy was playing in The Wizard at the diner.

TR0N · 10/22/2005, 03:52 PM

Bump! I just order CCC from amazon order just finsh being process too

FinalFight here i come

jlued686 · 10/24/2005, 12:28 PM

My friend picked it up the other day and we had a blast it. So much that I'm going to head out and buy a copy for myself sometime this week. There's nothing like playing this stuff with a good arcade stick.

TR0N · 10/24/2005, 11:29 PM

Just got it today in the mail the emulation isn't too bad either.

My only nickpick about it is no vertical mode for it's shooters.

I find it odd, Capcom Generations had that option but, CCC doesn't werid oh well

I just hope Capcom will have another volume of this. There's a lot left in there "catalog" that needs 'to be in a collection still

ParanoiaDragon · 10/25/2005, 12:51 AM

There will deffinitly be a 2nd volume atleast, from what I understand. As for the vertical modes, I thought for sure I found them in the options. Maybe I'm wrong. You might want to check around some more on the disc. Maybe they're unlockable......but I thought for sure they are a normal option.

Ninja Spirit · 10/25/2005, 12:56 PM

Somebody mention Black Tiger for NES?

References:
https://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/14/black-tiger-nes-cancelled/
Link #1
Image #1 (arcade btflyer.jpg)
MAME ROM (blktiger.zip)

TR0N · 10/25/2005, 07:22 PM

Quote from: Ninja SpiritSomebody mention Black Tiger for NES?

I think the guys here mean the arcade one.

https://www.arcade-museum.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7138

TR0N · 10/25/2005, 07:31 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragonThere will deffinitly be a 2nd volume atleast, from what I understand. As for the vertical modes, I thought for sure I found them in the options. Maybe I'm wrong. You might want to check around some more on the disc. Maybe they're unlockable......but I thought for sure they are a normal option.

I'll check again, i herd so many rumors it didn't have tate mode so i wasn't sure on that.

Jammaniaclord · 10/27/2005, 04:34 PM

Quote from: stevek666Would that be the arcade Bionic Commando or the NES version? The NES version is superior, IMO, but it would be neat to play the arcade version on a console (first time it was ever ported, I believe).

I remember the arcade version rather well. I beat it when it came out and i DID enjoy the arcade version.

When they released it for the NES i bought it without question...was i satisfied...no.........Did i like the arcade better....yes................Did i give the NES version a try.........yes.............did i end up loving the nes version way more than it's arcade version........HELL YES!!!!!

The NES version is a completely different game, but i am glad they took a fun game, and made it WAY more serious and cool! Now if only they would make a new 3-D one for the new systems.