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RGB to Component version 2 boards are ready for sale.   There is also an optional sync stripped board.  The sync stripper circuit is not needed for the turbo and pce systems.  New price is $37 shipped within US and the sync stripper will be optional for another $6.

Some improvement over the previous version:
The signals are more stable (better synch)
higher clarity
better black level
better green purity
more consistent brightness over different sources and displays
higher contrast range (adjustable)
Better ground shielding to protect from interference
Reduce jailbars

I have not updated my website yet, so please pm me for ordering.  Old board is still available with a new price of $27 shipped.

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Below is the information from the original version of the component board.

Finally a rgb to component video converter based on original design by our very own, thesteve, exclusively for use on all NEC turbografx and pc-engine systems.

Confirmed to work for the following system with slight changes in configuration:
Super Nintendo
Sega Genesis/Nomad/CDX
Sega Master System
Nintendo 64 with serial number starting with NS1 (Need sync stripper...and luma pin for sync)
Playstation One (similar configuration setup as Sega systems)


$35 shipped within US. Will shipped internationally, please contact me for international shipping price.

You can PM me or go to this website for ordering:

www.tg16pcemods.com

This component video chip will only work on HDTV sets that accept 240P.  Check to make sure your HDTV supports 240p before ordering.

I throw together a quick installation guide here:
mediafire.com/?x7m3oxarr9p74x0 (https://www.mediafire.com/?x7m3oxarr9p74x0)
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/downloads/Tg-16_pce_component_mod_guide.pdf

Disclaimer: Jail bars issues varies from system to system especially on the tg-16/pc-e core systems.  It's more noticeable on some system even with the jail bar fix (installation of two caps to hu6260). The jail bars fix seems to work best on the duo's from my experience. Neither the genesis nor the SNES exhibit any jail bars that I can see thus far.

Video's:
http://youtu.be/EeqmgNaq0-k
http://youtu.be/FQ3bkYTInLw
PC-Engine Duo Component Installs via din8 socket and custom cable:

Part 1: Installing the din8 socket
http://youtu.be/NMDItxOSm7U
Part 2: installing the component vid board
http://youtu.be/WnEi-qu5Avk
Part 3: Making the custom cable
http://youtu.be/Us0fxK_vQjY

Some pictures:
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Component Video installed in a Turbo Duo
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Installed in a turbografx-cd dock
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Installed in a PCE IFU
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Installed in a pc-engine
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Installed in TE
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Genesis

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SNES

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QUALITY work there.

Hey y'all, just want to say that it's my Duo in those pictures. :P turbokon installed the component mod on my system and it's working great. Looks really good on my HDTV.  :dance:  His work is highly recommended. I want to post some pictures sometime how it looks on my TV compared to the AV hook-up when I get some time.

Haha, yep those are pictures of MrPoppy's Duo. Thanks for being my first component video mod costumer:)

I bought some of these and they work great. Just make sure that your TV supports 240P resolution before buying. Some TVs do not.

No pictures from me yet but I just had both composite and component hooked up at the same time and switched between inputs, the difference really is staggering. Really washed out and blurry image on composite, everything is very bright and crisp on the component. If you're playing your system on an HDTV there's really no other option IMO.

Can you mod it so it RGB comes out of a SCART lead or the oem av jack and then split to component?  I always disliked the multi RCA jacks on a system.  I like the oem look.

This might work if you want to keep the stock look for a duo. It will need modification for it to fit the pins layout on the duo.

http://bit.ly/10lMBpl

Quote from: turbokon on 06/15/2013, 05:36 PMThis might work if you want to keep the stock look for a duo. It will need modification for it to fit the pins layout on the duo.

http://bit.ly/10lMBpl

Perfect.  Then I can have SCART out or just a custom Component cable?

Whichever you want. What are you hooking it up to?

I guess I'd just rather have it go out the stock port and open up to component.  I have it hooked up to a 36" Sony Wega Trinitron.  It accepts all signals from 240P to 1080i

Quote from: turbokon on 06/14/2013, 02:06 PM(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach&topic=14876&attach=5711&image)

Did you pick that Quarter out special? :mrgreen:

Use the din connector Turbokon linked and have a custom cable made. No reason for a scart cable.

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 06/15/2013, 09:17 PMI guess I'd just rather have it go out the stock port and open up to component.  I have it hooked up to a 36" Sony Wega Trinitron.  It accepts all signals from 240P to 1080i

Quote from: Duo_R on 06/15/2013, 09:32 PMUse the din connector Turbokon linked and have a custom cable made. No reason for a scart cable.

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 06/15/2013, 09:17 PMI guess I'd just rather have it go out the stock port and open up to component.  I have it hooked up to a 36" Sony Wega Trinitron.  It accepts all signals from 240P to 1080i

Sounds good.

Your set! :)

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 06/15/2013, 09:43 PM

Quote from: Duo_R on 06/15/2013, 09:32 PMUse the din connector Turbokon linked and have a custom cable made. No reason for a scart cable.

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 06/15/2013, 09:17 PMI guess I'd just rather have it go out the stock port and open up to component.  I have it hooked up to a 36" Sony Wega Trinitron.  It accepts all signals from 240P to 1080i

Sounds good.

I will use the din-8  and modified cable for the next duo I'll do a component mod on.

Quote from: Vecanti on 06/15/2013, 09:21 PM

Quote from: turbokon on 06/14/2013, 02:06 PM(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14876.0;attach=5711;image)

Did you pick that Quarter out special ?  :mrgreen:

Yep, digged it out of the sofa :)

Quote from: turbokon on 06/15/2013, 11:54 PM

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 06/15/2013, 09:43 PM

Quote from: Duo_R on 06/15/2013, 09:32 PMUse the din connector Turbokon linked and have a custom cable made. No reason for a scart cable.

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 06/15/2013, 09:17 PMI guess I'd just rather have it go out the stock port and open up to component.  I have it hooked up to a 36" Sony Wega Trinitron.  It accepts all signals from 240P to 1080i

Sounds good.

That's great maybe ill be your next mod.

You bet, just hit me up:)

Have you tried this in a Turbo Express? Is battery life still good?

Nope I haven't tried it on a turbo express. You can be the first:)

Hmmm, to mod the TG16 dock or the Duo R...

I haven't install one in a tg16 dock yet neither. Duo-R shouldn't be any different then a duo.

I might be interested in ordering one of these. How would one go about doing this mod on a dock? Ive never opened one up before. Is there a big board inside there with RGB lines? I always kinda thought it just grabbed composit out of the back of the TG and spat it out the A/V jacks.

You just tap into the dock's receiving expansion bus pins corresponding to the rgb & sync, pins 23A (red), 23B (green), 23C (blue) and 22C (sync). I will install one in my turbografx dock this weekend and add to the installation guide I already have.

Been a Turbo fan ever since my brother and I got the TG-16 + CD attachment the day it was released.  Then we traded it back to TTI as soon as the Duo became available. Never felt the need to have anything done with my Duo until it stopped working.  Sent it out to Turbokon to get it repaired/modded. All I can say is wow, he does great work.

I just want to give a shout-out to Turbokon for repairing/modding my Duo. I am especially impressed with his RGB to Component mod.  Quality work from a quality guy!

Thanks bonja, I can't fully take credit for this mod as it wouldn't be possible without thesteve. He's one that came up with the original circuit design that several of us used to build our boards. The results were so amazing that I had to get these made.

BTW, I want to officially welcome you to our site!!!

Quote from: Bonga7 on 06/21/2013, 10:39 AMBeen a Turbo fan ever since my brother and I got the TG-16 + CD attachment the day it was released.  Then we traded it back to TTI as soon as the Duo became available. Never felt the need to have anything done with my Duo until it stopped working.  Sent it out to Turbokon to get it repaired/modded. All I can say is wow, he does great work.

I just want to give a shout-out to Turbokon for repairing/modding my Duo. I am especially impressed with his RGB to Component mod.  Quality work from a quality guy!

Yes, turbokon is a great guy  :pcgs:

Welcome, Bonga.

Thanks Esteban:)

Per thesteve, component boards works with all 22uf smd caps. Updated pictures of component board using all smd caps. Now it shouldn't be a problem installing one of these in a turbo express or pc-engine gt for sure:)

i built and tested one of these boards and was quite happy with the results.
the original design had over spec caps, because i needed them to not cause me any issues while i was designing the prototype.
building this on a board made it easy to swap the caps out
even the 22uf caps are overkill, but they fit nice so no reason to go smaller.
the total power usage on a white screen (max) including input and output currents is 90mA

Added photos of the component video boards in a turbografx-cd dock. I just installed one of these boards in a turbografx cd dock.

Awesome! Did you notice any difference in the way the dock handles the jail bars vs. the TG?

Video looked clean the first try, no noticeable interference. I didn't need to do any special grounding to the hu6260. The jail bars are still noticeable in blue background so it is still needed to install the two caps to reduce the jail bars.

Added a picture of one of these installed in a pc-engine.

How complicated is the installation?

If you can do a region mod, you can do this. If you're doing this on a pc-engine or tg16, you can get rgb, sync, ground and 5v from expansion port.

Updated with pictures of one installed in a turbo express. However still working out the jail bar issues.

Just installed in a pc-engine duo using the din-8 connector to keep the stock look. With the component cable I'm using, I couldn't fit the male connector housing so I wrapped it electric tape instead. I need to find a component cable with smaller wires.

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I found this website that might be useful for those who are interested in the component video mod for their turbo/pce systems. Apparently there are some test you can do to check to see if your HDTV supports 240p via component.

http://www.retro-otaku.com/2011/06/is-your-tv-240p-compatible/

Taken directly from website:

"So, how do you test your panel's compatibility and what are your options? I'm no expert, but I'd suggest that if you have a Wii, change the Virtual Console to output in 240p and see what happens. Aside from that, I don't know too many consoles that can do 240p and output component video natively. If you have a Playstation 2 and a set of component cables, you have a couple of choices:

Fire up one of the Sega Ages releases that contain Mega Drive or Master System games and change the display settings in-game to 240p. I know this option exists for Phantasy Star Complete Collection, Gunstar Heroes Treasure Box and Monster World Collection.
Load up Ico and see what happens (must be running in 60hz, the PAL version will give you the option)
All PSone games running out of the PS2 apparently run in 240p also (I'm assuming this only counts for NTSC games, not PAL titles), so give that a try"

better option is connect the composite cable to the Y input on your TV
if it works you should get a good pic without color

Thanks thesteve, your method for testing is way easier.

Bumped:)

I was told by a customer I installed the component video for that this works on a XRGB mini Framemeister and that it even looks better on the mini. Maybe for those with HDTV that doesn't support 240p, this could be an option, I don't know, will have to do some digging into this.

some tv's that will work with 240P still work better at higher res, or dont properly support 240
those will look better with a scaler

I have always wanted an XRGB mini for other reasons so maybe it's time.  Native English support too which is awesome.

board works on geni, by adding 1K resistors between geni and board RGB pins

Thesteve made it work with a genni by adding 1k resistors from the genni's rgb to component video board rgb input. I will try this and get the install guide updated to include this.

the board can work with any RGB device, given a few rules
the RGB lines must have a voltage offset and must be .7Vpp-1Vpp sig
must have a sync sig of at least .3Vpp
thats it.
the sega has 1.4Vpp-2Vpp sig, so i needed to cut that in half
the board has a 1K input impedance, so 1K resistors did the job

As the proud owner of the CD Dock that the first adapter was installed into, I just wanna chime in real quick to say it looks great.  There's a small amount of jailbars as we know, but really unless you're looking for it you don't see it (JJ & Jeff, as noted, is the worst and even then it still looks way better than it did on composite).

Played around a little with it on my Turbo Everdrive and very happy with the work.

Thanks to all who made this a reality.

Bumped

Bumped:)

Got pics of the component vid from the geni?

Just installed it on my geni today :)

(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14876.0;attach=5685;image) (https://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/superkon316/pc-enginefx/null-84.jpg)


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So, is is possible to run it on a Genny using the output from the rear AV connector? 

Basically, this is what I was thinking:
Tap the pinout, add the 1k resistors after that(are they on the RGB lines or the sync, or both?), then wire them to the board.  Finally tap the board out for the component and run to your TV.

Does that sounds like it would work or is it madness?

Yep, you can do that. Thesteve just tapped it from the back connector of the genni. You only need to add the 1kohm res to the RGB signals only, no need to add to the sync. You can get +5v and ground from the connector pinout also.

So like an external component encoder that isnt rediculously expensive? :P

yep

Quote from: BlueBMW on 08/14/2013, 09:30 PMSo like an external component encoder that isnt rediculously expensive? :P

Exactly what I was thinking :D

I was thinking it would be cool to make more of a black box type thing that I could plug input from off a console, then it does the component conversion.  If I could find a Nintendo AV plug with the correct pinouts then maybe people could finally get GameCube component cables that don't cost a bajillion dollars too.

Maybe that's something Shapeways can make with 3D printing. Someone else will have to take this on and work with Shapeways.

can someone try it on Nintendo 64? SNES too if possible. these consoles have nice games that I want to play using component output.

I'm sure it would work on the N64 and SNES, we just need to figure out the right way to modify their RGB signals.

I'll try it on a SNES this weekend.

Thesteve and I confirmed it works with the Snes:) More systems testing to come.

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More pictures of the component video board in action:)

Genesis
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SNES
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So overall what is the end result of this component mod/board vs RGB?

I'm going to test my Bravia for 240P happiness. I don't think that my Denon receiver will pass the signal properly, so may have to send video to the TV directly and sound to the receiver. Only downside is more remotes/button presses to deal with I suppose.

man I wish one of my tvs accepted a 240p signal :( the quality looks amazing!

edit: time to go dust off the old lcd down stairs to see if it accepts the signal.. dammit only 480i and 480p  :x

Quote from: Marll on 09/10/2013, 07:50 PMSo overall what is the end result of this component mod/board vs RGB?

I'm going to test my Bravia for 240P happiness. I don't think that my Denon receiver will pass the signal properly, so may have to send video to the TV directly and sound to the receiver. Only downside is more remotes/button presses to deal with I suppose.

I never done a rgb mod before so I can't tell you how they compare with the component video mod. From what I've read, raw rgb is almost unusable without some sort of amplification circuit.

Quote from: guest on 09/10/2013, 08:54 PMman I wish one of my tvs accepted a 240p signal :( the quality looks amazing!

edit: time to go dust off the old lcd down stairs to see if it accepts the signal.. dammit only 480i and 480p  :x

Did you try pluging the composite RCA to the "Y" of the component input? If it support 240p, you should see black & white pictures.

Quote from: turbokon on 09/10/2013, 11:39 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/10/2013, 08:54 PMman I wish one of my tvs accepted a 240p signal :( the quality looks amazing!

edit: time to go dust off the old lcd down stairs to see if it accepts the signal.. dammit only 480i and 480p  :x

Did you try pluging the composite RCA to the "Y" of the component input? If it support 240p, you should see black & white pictures.

no, just checked the specs online for all my televisions. will try it on a couple tho to see what happens :)

Quote from: turbokon on 09/10/2013, 11:36 PM

Quote from: Marll on 09/10/2013, 07:50 PMSo overall what is the end result of this component mod/board vs RGB?

I'm going to test my Bravia for 240P happiness. I don't think that my Denon receiver will pass the signal properly, so may have to send video to the TV directly and sound to the receiver. Only downside is more remotes/button presses to deal with I suppose.

I never done a rgb mod before so I can't tell you how they compare with the component video mod. From what I've read, raw rgb is almost unusable without some sort of amplification circuit.

Yeah I like the board you've created and it seems easy enough for me to tap the expansion port (I'd put this in my CD Dock). I'm just wondering if RGB is significantly better picture wise than component. Like if composite is worst, then Svideo, then Component and then RGB. Unfortunately pictures on the internet usually don't do what everyone is seeing on screen in person justice.

I know that you can't answer the question personally not having done an RGB mod, but would be interesting to get someone's take that have seen both.

i have done both
in my case my plasma misidentifies the component as 480I (which works)
but it properly id's RGB as 240P making it look better
component has the same colorspace as composite, whereas RGB is full spectrum color

I read some where that component signals are less susceptible to colour errors (instability and phase) than the RGB.

So for component are you getting the same colors as composite, just clearer, which RGB provides more color and clarity?

I know it's a dumb question, but I didn't see it on the PDF. I've never done a component mod before or wired component before, but looking at the pics it's difficult to tell. Are you just wiring each color to each component output, or are they all attached to the ground wire as well?

Thanks for your help

The outputs will need to be grounded as well.

Just bought one of these chips and can't wait for it to get here to try making a Genesis component cable.  I'll need 3, 1k resistors right, is is possible to give you a bit of extra cash to get them shipped with the board?

Oh man, I just shipped out the boards to you. I still need my web guy to add a drop down option for the genni & SNES.

Lol, no problem.  You're just too customer oriented and ship stuff out fast! 

I'm sure I can get them elsewhere, I meant to ask sooner but got sidetracked.  :D

My web guy have added a drop down selection for the different systems this board currently works with. More systems to be tested and added later.

I was trying to purchase one of these Component boards from your website but there is no option to ship to Canada. Do you ship to Canada?

Sure, shipping to Canada shouldn't be that much more.

Quote from: Marll on 09/11/2013, 03:12 PMYeah I like the board you've created and it seems easy enough for me to tap the expansion port (I'd put this in my CD Dock). I'm just wondering if RGB is significantly better picture wise than component. Like if composite is worst, then Svideo, then Component and then RGB. Unfortunately pictures on the internet usually don't do what everyone is seeing on screen in person justice.

I know that you can't answer the question personally not having done an RGB mod, but would be interesting to get someone's take that have seen both.

As far as I can tell, this (like many questions) is a very subjective answer.  However, the most common answer I've seen is "YPbPr and RGB are basically interchangeable for most people's perceptions", meaning that while RGB may in theory be a touch better, the average human eye won't be able to tell the difference.  I know I can't tell a difference with any pictures I've seen (which you seem to intimate is the same with you -- I also don't have any RGB or scart connections to test), and I know I CAN tell a difference going from S-Video to Component on my various systems (some more so than others depending on how good the S-Video was).

Take that for what you will, but I for one am happy getting things into YPbPr rather than monkeying with converters that are bound to add lag in an effort to turn RGB into HDMI (since there's no real other way to use pure RGB without finding a PVM or something).

That reminds me, I really need to send turbokon my Jaguar so he can test that one out :D

Quote from: KalessinDB on 09/20/2013, 12:55 PM

Quote from: Marll on 09/11/2013, 03:12 PMYeah I like the board you've created and it seems easy enough for me to tap the expansion port (I'd put this in my CD Dock). I'm just wondering if RGB is significantly better picture wise than component. Like if composite is worst, then Svideo, then Component and then RGB. Unfortunately pictures on the internet usually don't do what everyone is seeing on screen in person justice.

I know that you can't answer the question personally not having done an RGB mod, but would be interesting to get someone's take that have seen both.

As far as I can tell, this (like many questions) is a very subjective answer.  However, the most common answer I've seen is "YPbPr and RGB are basically interchangeable for most people's perceptions", meaning that while RGB may in theory be a touch better, the average human eye won't be able to tell the difference.  I know I can't tell a difference with any pictures I've seen (which you seem to intimate is the same with you -- I also don't have any RGB or scart connections to test), and I know I CAN tell a difference going from S-Video to Component on my various systems (some more so than others depending on how good the S-Video was).

Take that for what you will, but I for one am happy getting things into YPbPr rather than monkeying with converters that are bound to add lag in an effort to turn RGB into HDMI (since there's no real other way to use pure RGB without finding a PVM or something).

That reminds me, I really need to send turbokon my Jaguar so he can test that one out :D

well put
any TV using HDMI is using component encoded video anyway
if the tv supports tint/hue/brightness/contrast adjustments its transcoding to component anyway
so rarely except on PVM's do you ever get pure RGB video paths anyway

I had to add a disclaimer to the front of this thread.

Bump:)

I wanted to give some feedback in this thread. I had turbokon do some work to my PCE Duo.

In particular he did the following:

• Install component video output - using built-in component jacks
• Install region mod with rocker switch
• Install power LED
• Do complete cap replacement

The work turned out wonderfully. My duo had terrible audio issues, and had to warm up before I would get any CD audio. Now it works 100%. The region mod works perfectly too.

The video output is amazing. It simply can't compare to stock composite. The video is just as clear as using an emulator!

The picture quality below isn't perfect since I took the pictures with my phone. The third picture (NEC/Hudson) really shows how incredibly clear the picture quality is. The middle photo shows the component jacks (in the back) and the power LED.

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Is there anyone out there who would like to create an install guide for the Genesis & SNES for me in exchange for free component video boards?

Quote from: turbokon on 11/05/2013, 12:22 PMIs there anyone out there who would like to create an install guide for the Genesis & SNES for me in exchange for free component video boards?

I'm working on building a cable with mine off the AV port in the back so that I don't actually have to drill holes in my Genesis, not sure if that qualifies but I'll try and snap pictures as I go through it all.

Yeah, that could be an option for peeps who don't want to drill into their systems.

Quote from: KalessinDB on 09/20/2013, 12:55 PM

Quote from: Marll on 09/11/2013, 03:12 PMYeah I like the board you've created and it seems easy enough for me to tap the expansion port (I'd put this in my CD Dock). I'm just wondering if RGB is significantly better picture wise than component. Like if composite is worst, then Svideo, then Component and then RGB. Unfortunately pictures on the internet usually don't do what everyone is seeing on screen in person justice.

I know that you can't answer the question personally not having done an RGB mod, but would be interesting to get someone's take that have seen both.

As far as I can tell, this (like many questions) is a very subjective answer.  However, the most common answer I've seen is "YPbPr and RGB are basically interchangeable for most people's perceptions", meaning that while RGB may in theory be a touch better, the average human eye won't be able to tell the difference.  I know I can't tell a difference with any pictures I've seen (which you seem to intimate is the same with you -- I also don't have any RGB or scart connections to test), and I know I CAN tell a difference going from S-Video to Component on my various systems (some more so than others depending on how good the S-Video was).

Take that for what you will, but I for one am happy getting things into YPbPr rather than monkeying with converters that are bound to add lag in an effort to turn RGB into HDMI (since there's no real other way to use pure RGB without finding a PVM or something).

That reminds me, I really need to send turbokon my Jaguar so he can test that one out :D

Just wanted to chime in about this.  Component Video (YPbPr) and RGB are both lossless formats.  They're exactly the same quality. 

The difference between the two is that YPbPr uses algebra to calculate the color signal to save on bandwidth, while RGB just carries the signal in 3 channels.  Component video takes luma for black and white, and takes Red - Luma and Blue - Luma to calculate the green. 

So there's no difference in quality.  There may be slight color differentiation going on however, this is due to the mixing when converting RGB -> Component, but the video quality and clarity are exactly the same.

Thank you for chiming in Conhuevos :)

Just wanted to say awesome work  8) I haven't been here on the forum in ages, so it's great to see everyone is still rocking the scene and developing newer and better gear.

Keep it up!

Thanks Red. The result was a collaboration between several of us. Wouldn't have been possible without all the valuable resources we have here. Btw, welcome back :)

Quote from: turbokon on 11/05/2013, 12:22 PMIs there anyone out there who would like to create an install guide for the Genesis & SNES for me in exchange for free component video boards?

I wouldn't mind doing this but I would need a guide to show me how to do it so I could make a guide...........

You can tap RGB, sync and 5V directly from the genesis and SNES a/v port.

Genesis:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510083748im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20131120/nybydu9e.jpg) (https://web.archive.org/web/20190510083748im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20131120/ydasusah.jpg)

SNES:
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Or you can tap from the encoder chip, don't know the part number for them at the moment.

I'm going to order one of these from you on Friday,I've already spent my mad money for this pay period lol.

Ok order placed, I'm a newb at this but I'm going to try to make a guide. I choose the Snes/Gen option, does that mean it will come with the 1k resistors?

Yep, it does. It will soldered onto the board for you. I will send you two so that you can do it for the genesis and SNES. Do you need parts? Like wires, RCA jacks?

I don't have any wires, I was going to try to scavenge some or hit up radio shack. I placed an order last night on digikey for some RCA jacks and some oscillators to over clock the genesis later :)


Wow, thanks for sending 2, I hope the guide turns out well I'm going to try to take a ton of pictures and make my wife help me.

Techno, the boards went out to you yesterday.

Awesome, yesterday I took my project Genesis apart and start taking some pictures. I'm looking forward to putting this together.

Do you know where I can find a labeled pic of the Genesis encoder like the one of the SNES? Everything I find online is just the pic you posted since most people out there have been using RGB cables then going through a component converter. 

On a side note does anyone know where to purchase the male SNES multi plug?
A lot of websites recommend these rgb scart cables, they have to get the plugs from somewhere.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200948949594 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200948949594)

Here is the genesis model 1 encoder where I tapped RGB & sync from:

GenesisModel1EncoderRGBTap.jpg

Just wanted to say, the component video quality on my Turbo Duo is spectacular! I'm using an XRGB Framemeister, and with Turbokon's board, the pixels are perfectly sharp.

Excellent work!

Well I'm close to being finished but I'm having a problem


Hopefully the picture works, there is a some purple lines coming off of anything white, all other colors look good. Any ideas?

Once I get this solved I'm going to put together a guide for the Genesis, I've been taking a bunch of pictures.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzgVE6j9OyMTQTQyeU1jSFlxU0pKUzlZUFloaW1VbmpZMF93/edit?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzgVE6j9OyMTQTQyeU1jSFlxU0pKUzlZUFloaW1VbmpZMF93/edit?usp=sharing)

Hmmm, my genesis doesn't do that. Did you try tweaking the pots? Also could be the TV.

Here is my order of events:
I wired up the board, and adjusted POTS, everything looked good. I then wired up the audio,resistor for LED(on different 5v feed of course) and then hot glued everything so it would stay in place.

The purple goes away if I adjust until the white turns green, but of course all the colors are off. If the sync was off would that cause something like this?

Turbo here is a guide, if you want more information or pictures or anything just let me know. It's my first time doing a mod like this and doing a guide also. I want it to be good.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzgVE6j9OyMTQ0p2V005MnhSeXM/edit?usp=sharing

Looks good techno:)

And here is the Snes guide, again if you don't like anything about it or feel its missing some info let me know.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzgVE6j9OyMTX2Ewdlg3X2JpeGc/edit?usp=sharing

A few points
The bleeding is from overdriving the Luma circuit
The color pots should be used to balance the white 2

From my experience, here are best setting for the pots:

Genesis:
Rin=5.5kohm
Bin=5.28kohm
Yout=15ohm

SNES:
Rin=5.1kohm
Bin=4.5kohm
Yout=15ohm

The SNES looks great, the Genesis does too for that matter except for the bleeding. I took a break messing with it, to work on the SNES, I'll look back at it later. Thanks for the input.

The pot settings are not system specific
They are board specific
So once the board is tuned it will be correct for any input.
Increasing the input resistance will reduce bleed 2

I wonder if I let some solder overlap past the resistor, I'm new to this kind of stuff and have really learned a lot in taking on this project.

Don't have the patience to read through 8 pages, so just a simple question, have you tried these things on Jamma stuff, and MVS specifically?

Nope professor, I don't have anything like that to try it on. I can send you a couple boards if you want to try it.

Quote from: turbokon on 12/13/2013, 09:07 AMNope professor, I don't have anything like that to try it on. I can send you a couple boards if you want to try it.

If you want you can send one and I can try it on a MVS then and let you know. Up to you.

hi did anyone test the board on a Nintendo 64?

Quote from: darkgunsou86 on 12/15/2013, 12:25 AMhi did anyone test the board on a Nintendo 64?

I know that the N64 doesn't natively support RGB. With the proper modifications the board should work.

You should be able to use the same modification to the component video board on the N64.

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Quote from: turbokon on 12/16/2013, 07:39 AMYou should be able to use the same modification to the component video board on the N64.

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Lol, after seeing that diagram and how simple it would be to put one of your boards in I'm tempted to do it, except I was never a fan of the N64, I do have a spare I bought at a yard sale for $5 though.

I've tried the component board with a Genesis and I must say that this PCB gives incredible results!

I don't know if it is of any interest to any of you here but I'm actually trying to hook up the component board to different systems. Right now, I'm trying to do it with a Dreamcast. No success so far. I get a picture, but the colors are off and washed out. I'll update when I get better results.

I will eventually also try this with a Saturn and an N64.

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/16/2013, 10:33 PMI've tried the component board with a Genesis and I must say that this PCB gives incredible results!

I don't know if it is of any interest to any of you here but I'm actually trying to hook up the component board to different systems. Right now, I'm trying to do it with a Dreamcast. No success so far. I get a picture, but the colors are off and washed out. I'll update when I get better results.

I will eventually also try this with a Saturn and an N64.

Why bother with the Dreamcast?  Just get the VGA outbox and enjoy much better grafx.  Also the Saturn has RGB out already so just a Scart lead and a scart converter.

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 12/16/2013, 10:38 PMWhy bother with the Dreamcast?  Just get the VGA outbox and enjoy much better grafx.  Also the Saturn has RGB out already so just a Scart lead and a scart converter.

Somebody actually asked me to mod his Dreamcast with a component output because the TV he uses for gaming doesn't have a VGA input.

Also, some people prefer to have component right out of their systems instead of having to use an external RGB to component or HDMI converter/upscaler.

Besides, the PCE can rather easily be modded to output RGB and then be hooked to a converter/upscaler. Yet, people still find interest in the RGB to component mod...

Don't N64 need an amplifier circuit because the RGB signals is weak?
Is there any noticeable difference using a RGB cable on SNES and Genesis and modding them both with this component board?
Is the pic quality is better using the component board compared to using the consoles' native RGB cable output?

Quote from: darkgunsou86 on 12/16/2013, 11:24 PMDon't N64 need an amplifier circuit because the RGB signals is weak?
Is there any noticeable difference using a RGB cable on SNES and Genesis and modding them both with this component board?
Is the pic quality is better using the component board compared to using the consoles' native RGB cable output?

Yeah, as far as I know, the N64's RGB does need to be amplified. The picture will be too dark if not amplified. there might be some models which do not need RGB amplification though, I'm not 100% sure about that.

I haven't done a side by side comparison but from what I've seen, I'd say that the component video quality with Turbokon's RGB to component PCB is as good as it gets. In the end, I believe that it all depends of what your setup is because the PCB will work only with a flat screen that has a component input that is 240p-compatible or a bulky CRT.

If you use an upscaler like the XRGB-3, I don't think there is any interest in converting the RGB signal to component before feeding it to the upscaler.

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/16/2013, 10:48 PM

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 12/16/2013, 10:38 PMWhy bother with the Dreamcast?  Just get the VGA outbox and enjoy much better grafx.  Also the Saturn has RGB out already so just a Scart lead and a scart converter.

Somebody actually asked me to mod his Dreamcast with a component output because the TV he uses for gaming doesn't have a VGA input.

Also, some people prefer to have component right out of their systems instead of having to use an external RGB to component or HDMI converter/upscaler.

Besides, the PCE can rather easily be modded to output RGB and then be hooked to a converter/upscaler. Yet, people still find interest in the RGB to component mod...

I'm sorry buddy I didn't mean to harp on your work.  I was hoping to have my DUO R Modded to component.  Right now is S-Video but my TV loves Component on these old machines.  Any chance on getting an NES to do component?  Like my top loader?

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/16/2013, 10:33 PMI've tried the component board with a Genesis and I must say that this PCB gives incredible results!

I don't know if it is of any interest to any of you here but I'm actually trying to hook up the component board to different systems. Right now, I'm trying to do it with a Dreamcast. No success so far. I get a picture, but the colors are off and washed out. I'll update when I get better results.

I will eventually also try this with a Saturn and an N64.

Hey sensato glad you finally installed the boards. As for the dreamcast, may just need different resistors value at rgb input side to counter offset voltage. What values I don't know, thesteve will need to chime in.

Quote from: EvilEvoIX on 12/17/2013, 12:58 AMI'm sorry buddy I didn't mean to harp on your work.  I was hoping to have my DUO R Modded to component.  Right now is S-Video but my TV loves Component on these old machines.  Any chance on getting an NES to do component?  Like my top loader?

To RGB mod the Nes you had to purchase a playchoice board and put its PPU on the Nes. Someone is now making something to do the same thing. http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/ (http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/)  At $100 it's cheaper than the Playchoice board(~$250). Some people on NeoGaf were talking about buying some but I haven't seen anyone talking about results yet.

Quote from: technozombie on 12/17/2013, 11:47 PM

Quote from: EvilEvoIXI'm sorry buddy I didn't mean to harp on your work.  I was hoping to have my DUO R Modded to component.  Right now is S-Video but my TV loves Component on these old machines.  Any chance on getting an NES to do component?  Like my top loader?

To RGB mod the Nes you had to purchase a playchoice board and put its PPU on the Nes. Someone is now making something to do the same thing. http://etim.net.au/nesrgb/  At $100 its cheaper than the Playchoice board(~$250). Some people on NeoGaf were talking about buying some but I haven't seen anyone talking about results yet.

Outstanding, it works in the Front Loader as well.  I'd love that even more.  I have to get this modded!

Quote from: turbokon on 12/17/2013, 06:58 AM

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/16/2013, 10:33 PMI've tried the component board with a Genesis and I must say that this PCB gives incredible results!

I don't know if it is of any interest to any of you here but I'm actually trying to hook up the component board to different systems. Right now, I'm trying to do it with a Dreamcast. No success so far. I get a picture, but the colors are off and washed out. I'll update when I get better results.

I will eventually also try this with a Saturn and an N64.

Hey sensato glad you finally installed the boards. As for the dreamcast, may just need different resistors value at rgb input side to counter offset voltage. What values I don't know, thesteve will need to chime in.

i would need to look at the signals on the DC
the resistors are to lower the RGB to match what the PCE puts out

Quote from: thesteve on 12/18/2013, 09:09 PM

Quote from: turbokon on 12/17/2013, 06:58 AM

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/16/2013, 10:33 PMI've tried the component board with a Genesis and I must say that this PCB gives incredible results!

I don't know if it is of any interest to any of you here but I'm actually trying to hook up the component board to different systems. Right now, I'm trying to do it with a Dreamcast. No success so far. I get a picture, but the colors are off and washed out. I'll update when I get better results.

I will eventually also try this with a Saturn and an N64.

Hey sensato glad you finally installed the boards. As for the dreamcast, may just need different resistors value at rgb input side to counter offset voltage. What values I don't know, thesteve will need to chime in.

i would need to look at the signals on the DC
the resistors are to lower the RGB to match what the PCE puts out

I tried with 1K pots instead of the resistors and I can't seem to find anything that works. The screen is actually black and white most of the time (except for the Dreamcast boot screen which looks perfect). I plan to film everything to give a better idea of what's going on...

I could scope the Dreamcast's RGB signal but I wouldn't really know what to do with what I'll find.

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/18/2013, 09:25 PM

Quote from: thesteve on 12/18/2013, 09:09 PM

Quote from: turbokon on 12/17/2013, 06:58 AM

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 12/16/2013, 10:33 PMI've tried the component board with a Genesis and I must say that this PCB gives incredible results!

I don't know if it is of any interest to any of you here but I'm actually trying to hook up the component board to different systems. Right now, I'm trying to do it with a Dreamcast. No success so far. I get a picture, but the colors are off and washed out. I'll update when I get better results.

I will eventually also try this with a Saturn and an N64.

Hey sensato glad you finally installed the boards. As for the dreamcast, may just need different resistors value at rgb input side to counter offset voltage. What values I don't know, thesteve will need to chime in.

i would need to look at the signals on the DC
the resistors are to lower the RGB to match what the PCE puts out

I tried with 1K pots instead of the resistors and I can't seem to find anything that works. The screen is actually black and white most of the time (except for the Dreamcast boot screen which looks perfect). I plan to film everything to give a better idea of what's going on...

I could scope the Dreamcast's RGB signal but I wouldn't really know what to do with what I'll find.

Could it be that you've got it in VGA mode and the game you're trying doesn't support it, so it's in some weird, confused 15K mode rather than staying in 31K mode?

Quote from: ishiyakazuo on 12/19/2013, 07:34 AMCould it be that you've got it in VGA mode and the game you're trying doesn't support it, so it's in some weird, confused 15K mode rather than staying in 31K mode?

I should actually be in 15K RGB mode. I've grounded only one of the mode select pins. I'll have to check which one I grounded because I thought any of the two would give the same result.

I've tested the mod with different games and I get black and whites screens with all of them.

In order to avoid further pollution of this topic (which is supposed to be about selling the PCBs ;)), I've created a new topic in the TG/PCE repair/mod section...

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=15958.0 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=15958.0)

Not sure if this is the right place for this, but i found locally a guy selling a Sony Trinitron PVM-20m2mdu for around $75. Now i have a friend who states that a trinitron, is a trinitron TV regardless if its PVM or just a basic CRT. He states the only difference is the PVM can output PAL/SECAM/NTSC and also has the BNC connectors. My friend also states that you can rewire the CRT for RGB?

I'm still new to all this stuff, so im not sure if shelling out $75 for one of these would be wise. Or would i be better off finding just a Sont Trinitron from goodwill for $1

A PVM should be better hardware, but other then inputs/outputs the function the same
They can be modified, but its not a simple task 2

Bump:)

Hi guys,

I ran into a little issue with the component board on one of my monitor. I got distortion on top of the screen for white screens, as shown in this video:

Duo Component Mod White Screen Issue (http://youtu.be/qj4eDq6cODo#ws)

I thought it could be related to the sync so I wired pin 44 of the HU6260 IC to an LM1881. This solved the issue so I thought it could be useful to some of you.

Has anyone else encountered a similar problem?

Two questions:

1. International shipping?

2. Do you have le schematics for the US SNES? Pilotwings looks way too awful on composite. Ugh.

Add $5 for international shipping. There is one schematic here by technozombie somewhere in this thread. If not I can put one together.

Quote from: guest on 02/04/2014, 10:28 PMTwo questions:
2. Do you have le schematics for the US SNES? Pilotwings looks way too awful on composite. Ugh.

What kind of SNES is it ? If it's the traditional, early generation models, you have YPbPr almost ready-to-go. Just need a basic transistor amp.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.0 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.0)

Quote from: NightWolve on 02/05/2014, 07:15 PM

Quote from: Psycho Punch on 02/04/2014, 10:28 PMTwo questions:
2. Do you have le schematics for the US SNES? Pilotwings looks way too awful on composite. Ugh.

What kind of SNES is it ? If it's the traditional, early generation models, you have YPbPr almost ready-to-go. Just need a basic transistor amp.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.0 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.0)

I really don't know since the console still has the gamebit screws... it is one of the FAT ones and it have a 1991 copyright notice below it and it is model SNSM-001, with that stupid Playtronic PAL-N transcoding daughterboard. I'm going to see if I can find something to open it, hopefully it's one of the S-ENC chip equipped snes.

Ahh, yes, I've forgotten all about that. Thanks night:)

Taking the dive on this.  :).   Got a nice CRT to hook it up to.

Damn, the more I look at the pics and watch the videos... I cannot wait til you get my old system in and mod it with this.  It is getting me excited about the turbo again!

Do Any CRT TVs work with this mod? The ones I have tried all have extremely faded colors and look horrible even with adjustments.

However, colors looks awesome on my plasma :)

Quote from: Keith Courage on 02/10/2014, 07:47 PMDo Any CRT TVs work with this mod? The ones I have tried all have extremely faded colors and look horrible even with adjustments.

However, colors looks awesome on my plasma :)

The CRT I tried it on gives pretty good results actually. Also, my 2 LCDs show a green horizontal bar on top of the picture (in the overscan) with the mod, my CRT doesn't.

Just ordered 3

Thanks jello:)

Added a picture of the board installed in an IFU and sensato's video comparing the composite and component video.

On the ifu installs what did you do for sync? 2

I tapped from the expansion pin (pin#??) corresponding to hu6260 pin44. It's the yellow wire in the pic.

ExpansionPin.jpg

I tapped from the expansion pin (pin#??) corresponding to hu6260 pin44. It's the yellow wire in the pic.

Bump:)

anyone try on the old school Sony flat Trinitrons?

Quote from: Keith Courage on 02/10/2014, 07:47 PMDo Any CRT TVs work with this mod? The ones I have tried all have extremely faded colors and look horrible even with adjustments.

However, colors looks awesome on my plasma :)

Ok guys and gals.  I had this mod done by turbokon to a TG-16/CD setup, and a Turbo Duo.  I have to tell you, there is NO explaining how freaking good this mod looks.  Pics just CANNOT do it justice.  I actually kept switching from AV to Component, just to compare on different scenes, different games, ect.  It truely is amazing how much richer the colors are.  If you do not have the know-how to perform the mod yourself, then by all means..  Get with turbokon, and send him your unit.  I wish I had done this long ago, cuz now I wanna replay everything.  If ya on the fence, just jump.  Thats all I can say.   :mrgreen:

For those whose wants to keep the stock look for the component video mod for their duo or pce coregrafx, this din-8 is pretty much a drop in replacement. You will have to drill a couple if holes for the grounding pins as they don't line up with the existing holes.  You will also need to bend the 3 extra pins for YPbPr needed.  I believe this is the same for the genesis

http://bit.ly/1mKjcP2

I will be selling the component video boards at a discounted price at MGC for those that will be attending MGC.

The ground clip can be swapped from the stock connector

Just modified the comlink port to output component video for a Turboexpress:)

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Quote from: thesteve on 04/02/2014, 10:19 AMThe ground clip can be swapped from the stock connector

Thesteve, you're a genius:).

Quote from: turbokon on 04/05/2014, 12:47 AMJust modified the comlink port to output component video for a Turboexpress :)

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Good mod to have for the following reason also: Next time you're ready to buy a new big screen LCD for your entertainment center, you can bring your modded Express along with the cabling to Best Buy, Target, Walmart or wherever you're gonna buy it from, and hook up the green Luma cable to the Luma jack of the display model you're interested in, switch to Component mode and find out if it's 240p retro-friendly if you get a perfect black'n'white picture or nothing at all.

You'd now have a portable device that outputs a genuine 240p signal to randomly test display models with before purchasing, etc. This avoids buying the TV, taking it home and hooking it up only to find out that it only accepts a genuine 480i signal or better when it comes Component. Thus, FYI. I returned two 19" LCD TVs a few black Friday sales ago because they rejected the 240p signals, thus were not retro-friendly. If I had this, I could've tested them right in the store and not wasted my time, you get the idea. The more you know. ;)

Quote from: turbokon on 04/05/2014, 12:47 AMJust modified the comlink port to output component video for a Turboexpress:)

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This rules, if I ever get a Turbo Express, I gotta get that done.

Quote from: NightWolve on 04/05/2014, 09:01 PM

Quote from: turbokon on 04/05/2014, 12:47 AMJust modified the comlink port to output component video for a Turboexpress:)
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Good mod to have for the following reason also: Next time you're ready to buy a new big screen LCD for your entertainment center, you can bring your modded Express along with the cabling to Best Buy, Target, Walmart or wherever you're gonna buy it from, and hook up the green Luma cable to the Luma jack of the display model you're interested in, switch to Component mode and find out if it's 240p retro-friendly if you get a perfect black'n'white picture or nothing at all.

You'd now have a portable device that outputs a genuine 240p signal to randomly test display models with before purchasing, etc. This avoids buying the TV, taking it home and hooking it up only to find out that it only accepts a genuine 480i signal or better when it comes Component. Thus, FYI. I returned two 19" LCD TVs a few black Friday sales ago because they rejected the 240p signals, thus were not retro-friendly. If I had this, I could've tested them right in the store and not wasted my time, you get the idea. The more you know. ;)

Night, I didn't have this in mind when I did this mod but yeah you can add this as one of the benefits;)

All my turbo/pce systems are in my office.  If I want to play turbo anywhere else, I just hook up the express:)

Bumped:)

Ordered one last day of April, I saw this at MGC and should have picked one up there. I am going to try and use it in an MVS that I am building into a X-Arcade dual stick. Has anyone confirmed it works with an MVS?

I've uploaded another video of the board in action, this time installed in a SNES...

http://youtu.be/oQcfaWjiiX8

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 05/08/2014, 01:12 PMI've uploaded another video of the board in action, this time installed in a SNES...

http://youtu.be/oQcfaWjiiX8

That was a fun game, Wild Guns. One of the few imports I gained an affection for and enjoyed.

BTW, what model SNES do you have ?? Just FYI, did you know about the native YPbPr/Component support (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.0) ? Only if the video encoder chip doesn't say S-RGB anywhere, though.

Quote from: NightWolve on 05/08/2014, 04:39 PM

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 05/08/2014, 01:12 PMI've uploaded another video of the board in action, this time installed in a SNES...

http://youtu.be/oQcfaWjiiX8

That was a fun game, Wild Guns. One of the few imports I gained an affection for and enjoyed.

BTW, what model SNES do you have ?? Just FYI, did you know about the native YPbPr/Component support (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14417.0) ? Only if the video encoder chip doesn't say S-RGB anywhere, though.

Yep, I've heard about the native component mod for the SNES. I've tried it on a few diffent SNES variants but I always get washed out colors (yellows seem to be mainly affected).

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 05/08/2014, 08:11 PMYep, I've heard about the native component mod for the SNES. I've tried it on a few diffent SNES variants but I always get washed out colors (yellows seem to be mainly affected).

Yeah, I've heard the complaint on yellows. I hoped someone by now that was a professional EE would design the best circuit amp for those signals, but as it stands only a generic circuit is available. I would like to know the results if you add steve's circuit to one that has the right chip, do both mods and compare results from the same unit. I guess you're already suggesting steve's will likely be better though.

Quote from: NightWolve on 05/08/2014, 10:52 PM

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 05/08/2014, 08:11 PMYep, I've heard about the native component mod for the SNES. I've tried it on a few diffent SNES variants but I always get washed out colors (yellows seem to be mainly affected).

Yeah, I've heard the complaint on yellows. I hoped someone by now that was a professional EE would design the best circuit amp for those signals, but as it stands only a generic circuit is available. I would like to know the results if you add's steve's circuit to one that has the right chip, do both mods and compare results from the same unit. I guess you're already suggesting Steve's will be better.

For the sake of it, I'll try to do a side by side comparison sometime. I might also add Ace's BA7230 based circuit to the mix.

Steve's PCB has it's own issue(s) actually. I've witnessed some distortion or an undesired green tint on the top of the screen. The effect can be minimized with a sync cleaner or by adjusting the Y pot on the PCB. That said, overall, Steve's circuit does a better job that the native SNES component IMO.

Just tried this board on an Atari Jaguar, no go.

Just tried this board on an Atari Jaguar, no go.

Bumped:)

Added a few video's on the component vid install via din8 socket with custom cable.

Confirmed to work with a Sega CDX.

Has this been confirmed to work with the NESRGB PCB? If not, I'm about to test it soon so I'll report back about that.

Quote from: Sensato Kuro on 07/06/2014, 10:36 AMHas this been confirmed to work with the NESRGB PCB? If not, I'm about to test it soon so I'll report back about that.

No I haven't tried it yet.  Please do and let us know.

should be the same setup as the Geni

turbokon - can I ask how much it cost to get that PCB made?

I did a RGB conversion using the NJM2267 amps, but I actually have a pair of the surface mount versions of them too. An SMD version of that circuit would be pretty awesome!

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10801.120 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=10801.120)

how it works

component.GIF

Going off topic - is there an easy way to take 5 volts and bump it up to say 9-12 volts?

The reason I'm asking is that Euro SCART TV's have an automatic switching mode in the Scart socket that changes the aspect ratio between 16:9 and 4:3 depending on the voltage presented to pin 8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART#Blanking_and_switching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART#Blanking_and_switching)

Currently I have the 5 volt line from the DIN going here, so it's switching to 16:9 everytime I power on. Could a simple transistor circuit do this?

Quote from: Ravij on 07/18/2014, 10:23 AMGoing off topic - is there an easy way to take 5 volts and bump it up to say 9-12 volts?

The reason I'm asking is that Euro SCART TV's have an automatic switching mode in the Scart socket that changes the aspect ratio between 16:9 and 4:3 depending on the voltage presented to pin 8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART#Blanking_and_switching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART#Blanking_and_switching)

Currently I have the 5 volt line from the DIN going here, so it's switching to 16:9 everytime I power on. Could a simple transistor circuit do this?

You can try a voltage divider circuit to increase the voltage.

Thesteve confirm this will work on the nesrgb mod.

I haven't received games yet....

Quote from: kisaku on 08/02/2014, 04:54 AMI haven't received games yet....

Don't know what you mean?

Quote from: Ravij on 07/18/2014, 10:23 AMGoing off topic - is there an easy way to take 5 volts and bump it up to say 9-12 volts?

The reason I'm asking is that Euro SCART TV's have an automatic switching mode in the Scart socket that changes the aspect ratio between 16:9 and 4:3 depending on the voltage presented to pin 8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART#Blanking_and_switching (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCART#Blanking_and_switching)

Currently I have the 5 volt line from the DIN going here, so it's switching to 16:9 everytime I power on. Could a simple transistor circuit do this?

don't wire this pin on SCART and you'll have no trouble.

Quote from: Ravij on 07/18/2014, 10:23 AMGoing off topic - is there an easy way to take 5 volts and bump it up to say 9-12 volts?

Yeah, very easy, tap a power contact after the power switch (best point), anywhere before the power line gets to the 5 V regulators! The power supply is rated 10 V, but it's a cheap unregulated design, and for me, it measures like 11.9 Volts, so no power inverting is necessary! I assume we're talking about a Turbo Duo console, but many others are at 10+ V as well.

Something tells me pnauts is right though, you never should've connected 5 V to this pin in the first place... It should just default to 4:3 with the video signals connected. Nobody else ever had this problem or talked about it (in my time here) and you shouldn't have to wire a 12 V line in a cable just to get a default video signal working. Regardless, I offer the solution with the assumption that you possibly have a picky TV that does it by the book when it comes to the SCART standard.

I'm currently working with thesteve on a totally redesigned new component video board.  The new boards will be better compatible with more TV's sets and will have a more universal application usage meaning it will work with more systems not just with the turbo/pce systems.  More to come.

Very cool!
The video qualitys improvement is amazing, over it's already good look.

Here is what the new board layout looks like with an optional composite sync stripper board.  I will do a final review this weekend.

(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=14876.0;attach=5683;image) (https://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/superkon316/thesteve_component_8-29-20146-46-27AM.jpg)

We will all be looking forward to your finding's.

Orders for the new revised boards and parts have been placed.  They should arrive in two to three weeks.

RGB to Component version 2 boards are ready for sale.   Still waiting on parts for the sync stripper circuit.  The sync stripper circuit is not needed for the turbo and pce systems.  Note the main board will be slightly more then the previous version due to more components with the revised design.  New price is $37 shipped within US and the sync stripper will be optional available for another $8.


Some improvement over the previous version:
The signals are more stable with more HDTV that supports 240P (better sync)
higher clarity
better black level
better green purity
more consistent brightness over different sources and displays
higher contrast range (adjustable)
Better ground shielding to protect from interference
Reduce jailbars

I have not updated my website yet, so please pm me for ordering.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510070228im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20140919/233eed47a7149d7da1c35286332ecd1b.jpg)

Do these add any additional latency to video output?  Have you checked?

they cant as they dont buffer
all transcoding is done realtime

PM sent!

Updated original post with the version 2 component board information.

Quote from: turbokon on 10/15/2014, 08:56 AMUpdated original post with the version 2 component board information.

Do you have the info on how you did the cd dock install? I got your v2 sitting here for a few days now and i have some free time tonight to install it :)

Quote from: cjameslv on 10/15/2014, 09:26 PM

Quote from: turbokon on 10/15/2014, 08:56 AMUpdated original post with the version 2 component board information.

Do you have the info on how you did the cd dock install? I got your v2 sitting here for a few days now and i have some free time tonight to install it :)

Try this.

wayback.tg16pcemods.com/tg-16_pce_component_mod_guide.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20141121131543id_/http://www.tg16pcemods.com/uploads/5/7/0/9/5709716/__tg-16_pce_component_mod_guide.pdf)

It doesn't give you step by step instruction but it should give you the general ideal.

Quote from: turbokon on 10/16/2014, 08:01 AM

Quote from: cjameslv on 10/15/2014, 09:26 PM

Quote from: turbokon on 10/15/2014, 08:56 AMUpdated original post with the version 2 component board information.

Do you have the info on how you did the cd dock install? I got your v2 sitting here for a few days now and i have some free time tonight to install it :)

Try this.

wayback.tg16pcemods.com/tg-16_pce_component_mod_guide.pdf (https://web.archive.org/web/20141121131543id_/http://www.tg16pcemods.com/uploads/5/7/0/9/5709716/__tg-16_pce_component_mod_guide.pdf)

It doesn't give you step by step instruction but it should give you the general ideal.

Thanks basically just mirror the exp bus pins for the connector and find spots to fit everything. 
I'll be doing this tonight.

Bump

I cannot express how good these systems look, with this chip installed.  I have had a couple Duos modded with this chip, and the difference on a nice CRT, is night and day.  Well worth it.

Quote from: turbokon on 01/14/2015, 08:37 AM

You don't say.....

Tapatalk....lol..

I must be out of the loop. I have an iphone but no idea what tapatalk is...

Quote from: cjameslv on 01/14/2015, 10:24 AMI must be out of the loop. I have an iphone but no idea what tapatalk is...

It when you tap dance while typing on your phone in the forums.

Somebody put these component boards to use in another way and it's pretty slick:)

(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053905im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150211/3bbb01e2ea99f1895af354cd5f4ed118.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053905im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150211/41082e9081cdccac5715b4f8d344dd98.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053904im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150211/a3ee7fc167841c59d3f078c0dcc15f29.jpg)

I've seen that on FB.  Pretty slick!

What's the name of that female connector?

Quote from: guest on 02/13/2015, 06:12 PMWhat's the name of that female connector?

Vagina

We need a POV cam of that being inserted

Quote from: turbokon on 02/11/2015, 09:04 PMSomebody put these component boards to use in another way and it's pretty slick:)

(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053905im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150211/3bbb01e2ea99f1895af354cd5f4ed118.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053905im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150211/41082e9081cdccac5715b4f8d344dd98.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053904im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150211/a3ee7fc167841c59d3f078c0dcc15f29.jpg)

Wow! That is awesome.

Quote from: Bernie on 02/13/2015, 06:16 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/13/2015, 06:12 PMWhat's the name of that female connector?

Vagina

Genius!

...never heard about that part. Is it a proprietary connector? :P

It also mates with a Sega Genesis and a SNES via its respective cables.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053904im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150215/d1f1ed091216fb0df8635c3876d52c6a.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053904im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150215/b60f85db1e082b98e4b1c8e5f5c7d1ff.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053902im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150215/df87da6a5b46a9fb342345ad9dcc5f24.jpg)
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053902im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150215/6d0e49ed8ce47dd769e8fd3a1d770ec3.jpg)

Damn!

Quote from: turbokon on 02/15/2015, 09:46 PMIt also mates with a Sega Genesis and a SNES via its respective cables.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510053904im_/https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20150215/d1f1ed091216fb0df8635c3876d52c6a.jpg)

I came...  where does one pay to obtain this magical box ?

Bump