Why is everyone so God-damn sensitive around here?

[Arjak]

I was taking a look around the PCE dev forum and was happy to see a new thread about Mysterious Song. The first post was politely stated and tried to be as inoffensive as possible, asking if any progress has been made lately, and what happens?

The first reply uses a lot of words to basically say "shut the fuck up."

I can't take it anymore...

What the fuck is everyone's problem!? All I see nowadays around here is people bitching, complaining about stupid unimportant shit, and looking for any reason to tear apart someone's post who meant well.

Yeah, I'm talking to all you assholes who can't take one joke or piece of criticism, examine posts for anything they can tear apart as if they were a lawyer in a courtroom, act like they're better than everyone else, take cheap shots at each other, etc.

There has been so much bullshit going on that I hardly even come here anymore. Even if I do, all the new posts I read will be mostly thinly-veiled insults towards other members. No wonder we hardly ever get any serious new members! Any interested parties take one look at this place and run because anyone who's smart isn't just going to come here just to get bitched at!

If you guys can't deal with the above, I really don't care any more. As far as I'm concerned, I have every right to post this as:

A. I haven't named any specific members. The ones at fault likely already know who they are.

B. I've posted this in the Fighting Street forum.

C. It is quite obvious that the problem I'm referring to not only exists, but has gotten quite serious.

We all like to complain about certain gaming forums and how horrible they are, but this place is becoming almost as bad.

As far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop the pissing and moaning and get on with our lives.

[Raizen1984]

Am I the only one that didn't find anything remotely offensive in that Mysterious Song thread?  Methinks you're too sensitive 

[Arkhan Asylum]

Given the last mysterious song blowout, I see where Arjak's coming from.

[Joe Redifer]

This forum has had issue with "cliques".  This has been somewhat diminished, but some still remain.  To be honest, I've only ever seen this issue here.  It might exist over at the Neo-geo.com forums as well, but I really don't visit there.  Here, people can seem to be trying to "out" others for a deal-gone-bad in the past or something very similar.  Or simply someone said something in the past which contradicts something that they just said, even if it is a simple opinion on a genre of game.  People remember every little thing and wait for the moment to use it against someone.  This was a problem more so in the past with members who are (fortunately) no longer present.

The original Mysterious Song thread people seemed to be bitching that the game had accepted preorders but still didn't have a definitive release date.  For some reason this really made people froth at the mouth.  This also happened over at Sega-16 with Pier Solar, but not as badly... that surprises me because the members there can be very immature.  But here the crowd is much smaller and it ends up only being a few people who keep going back and forth again and again, so I wouldn't call the whole community here "sensitive", just a few select members.  The most recent Mysterious Song thread didn't seem to bad to me.  There was a member who tried to make the point that the lack of updates is bothersome, but I certainly didn't feel he flew off the handle about it.

[Tatsujin]

I have seen much worse.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I was taking a look around the PCE dev forum and was happy to see a new thread about Mysterious Song. The first post was politely stated and tried to be as inoffensive as possible, asking if any progress has been made lately, and what happens?

The first reply uses a lot of words to basically say "shut the fuck up."

Jlued asked for more than just a status update; he also intimated that he was owed regular updates for pre-ordering.  My intention was to show that regular status updates were unlikely to happen (he certainly wasn't the first to ask for 'em), and that such updates are meaningless anyway.  Even if we had been given biweekly updates, that would mean sixty-some updates that essentially said the same thing: "It's almost done, but...."  How would that be useful?

I can't take it anymore...

But... but... I have so much more to give.

A. I haven't named any specific members. The ones at fault likely already know who they are.

You didn't use my name, but it's patently obvious that you're aiming at me.  Why don't you grow a set and at least call me out by name?  I promise not to cry.

As far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop the pissing and moaning and get on with our lives.

Thank the gods there's no pissing and moaning going on in this thread. 

[JoshTurboTrollX]

No wonder we hardly ever get any serious new members! Any interested parties take one look at this place and run because anyone who's smart isn't just going to come here just to get bitched at!

boo, forum drama.  ;)

This site is nowhere near as bad as several others. Isn't it somewhat universal that newbs should expect a little hazing here and there from long time members?

[RoyVegas]

I think he was just using that one issue as an example Necro.  I really don't believe he meant that you are the problem, I think it's more about how people deal with each on this forum as a whole.  People are always taking stabs at each other.  I'm a guilty as the next guy, as I do it occasionally also.  Obviously not everyone is going to like each other but people can at least try to be civil and not so quick to point out the smallest of contridictions.

[OldRover]

Well, we can now give regular status updates on our Facebook page. For those of you who don't have the URL yet, here ya go:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116438578395148

[Arkhan Asylum]

You didn't use my name, but it's patently obvious that you're aiming at me.  Why don't you grow a set and at least call me out by name?  I promise not to cry.

No it's not, lol.  There is a plural there!  Why you trying to take all the credit.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

People are always taking stabs at each other.

I just skimmed through the 'recent posts', and there's not a single stab at anyone, unless you want to include the joke about having two Roys.  Mind you, Fighting Street posts aren't included in that group, but those don't really count anyway.

[RoyVegas]

Ok let me rephrase, maybe there haven't been any direct stabs at anyone "lately" but there is a general agressive nature to some of the posting around here.  I've said that since the day I walked in the door.  I've said it many times in my posts since I've been a member.

I agree with Arjak.  Unfortunately, much like the world offline, there are many people that tend to be aggressive which overshadows all of the good that IS around here.  The quiet people that may have some sort of contribution to make around here just lurk and read the forums instead of posting and becoming part of the community to avoid the conflict.  Some people are confrontational by nature and some just chose to sit back and stay out of the line of fire.

Do I expect anyone to back me up on this?  Of course not.  I expect the confrontational people to have their say while those quiet people, who have a valid opinion also, stay out from in front of the firing squad.

Arjak, I would love to see you add a poll to this thread with some valid options like:

I would post more here but I'd rather stay out of the line of fire.
I just like to lurk and read the posts.
I like posting here and think nothing needs to be changed.
I like posting here but i think people need to chill with the attitudes.

Or anything else you think could be added to that.  Most of the polls I see go up are one sided and don't give many options.

Of course even this poll wont be fully correct as Fighting Street can only be seen by members and anyone thats lurking and hasnt signed up cant even vote in it.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Ok let me rephrase, maybe there haven't been any direct stabs at anyone "lately" but there is a general agressive nature to some of the posting around here.  I've said that since the day I walked in the door.  I've said it many times in my posts since I've been a member.

I agree with Arjak.  Unfortunately, much like the world offline, there are many people that tend to be aggressive which overshadows all of the good that IS around here.  The quiet people that may have some sort of contribution to make around here just lurk and read the forums instead of posting and becoming part of the community to avoid the conflict.  Some people are confrontational by nature and some just chose to sit back and stay out of the line of fire.

Do I expect anyone to back me up on this?  Of course not.  I expect the confrontational people to have their say while those quiet people, who have a valid opinion also, stay out from in front of the firing squad.

Arjak, I would love to see you add a poll to this thread with some valid options like:

I would post more here but I'd rather stay out of the line of fire.
I just like to lurk and read the posts.
I like posting here and think nothing needs to be changed.
I like posting here but i think people need to chill with the attitudes.

Or anything else you think could be added to that.  Most of the polls I see go up are one sided and don't give many options.

Of course even this poll wont be fully correct as Fighting Street can only be seen by members and anyone thats lurking and hasnt signed up cant even vote in it.

true dat, homee.

poll it up!

[Arjak]

I tried to modify my post to include a poll, but it wouldn't let me. Sorry. It was a good idea, though.

I can't take it anymore...

But... but... I have so much more to give.

A. I haven't named any specific members. The ones at fault likely already know who they are.

You didn't use my name, but it's patently obvious that you're aiming at me.  Why don't you grow a set and at least call me out by name?  I promise not to cry.

As far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop the pissing and moaning and get on with our lives.

Thank the gods there's no pissing and moaning going on in this thread. 

Even though I was speaking in general, thank you for proving my point, Necro.

Anyways, I am actually relieved that I got any positive response at all. I was expecting to get completely destroyed or even banned for writing this. I am generally as calm as possible when I'm on here, but this issue really got under my skin. If anything, the amount of positive responses I've received gives me a sense of hope. I would like to say "thank you" to everyone who, even if they didn't agree with me, was willing to offer a reasonable, non-offensive reply.

Thank you.

[RoyVegas]

There's always hope Arjak!  This is a great place for Turbo lovers, no doubt about that.  There are tons of good people here with a wealth of information.  We all have our different thoughts, priorities and reasons why we do things.  People can be very judgemental in general.

Fact is:  Theres tons of good people here and since the first time I found the site, people have definately calmed down in the attitudes.  There's always room for more improvement BUT it really has gotten better.

[nat]

I agree with Arjak that people around here are too sensitive, but apparently in the opposite context that he does.

My "view" over here at stage left is that there is a group of people here that like to get their panties in a bunch any time discussions get heated or people start to mix it up. Since Validus, Kitsunexus, and Nintega last paraded around these parts there's been very little that has happened here that I would consider out of line aside from a minor squibble here and a minor squabble there. Nevertheless, I inevitably receive e-mail notifications on a semi regular basis of topics that have been reported by users. Stop the press! I come running and usually find out someone called Necromancer's mom fat or called nectarsis out for never playing farther than level 1 in any game. Jesus criminy, if things got any tenser around here we'd have to make all user's posts only appear after admin approval!

My two cents: it's the fucking Internet. To quote the venerable Q: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, why not go home and crawl under your bed?"

[Sparky]

This is one of my favourite places to come, have got to know and made a lot of good friends here, but sometimes drama happens and there are always 2 sides to it... It cannot always be rainbows and unicorns.

People that speak up and say it like it is should not always be looked at as bad guys, judgmental or having attitudes.. sometimes they just may have a lot of passion for what they believe in and sure it may come off some times harsh but maybe the people thinking there being idiots should stop and think why they are?

I am not a confrontational guy but i do say things a little more straight on something i have been collecting for years and enjoying it, why the hell not, its just over games anyway.

[nectarsis]

or called nectarsis out for never playing farther than level 1 in any game.

My two cents: it's the fucking Internet. To quote the venerable Q: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, why not go home and crawl under your bed?"

YOU BASTARD!!    Oh wait..don't want to "offend" anyone. 

[Raizen1984]

My two cents: it's the fucking Internet. To quote the venerable Q: "If you can't take a little bloody nose, why not go home and crawl under your bed?"

Quoted for the Mother Fucking Truth!!!

[Keranu]

I was thinking about making a thread like this myself after the latest Mysterious Song e-war.

It's not just this forum, but it seems like forums in general (especially video game and tech ones) have acquired a serious attitude problem over recent years. Every thread practically turns into some huge debate over something minuscule. Why do people feel this insatiable need to criticize everything in everyone's posts? If that isn't lame enough, the people picked on have to respond back with equal negativity and only provoke further fighting. And then once other people join in, the thread turns into a giant pile of shit. The main reason I don't post here often anymore is because I'd rather spend my time and energy doing the things I enjoy than socialize in such a dark community.

If you don't have anything good to say then simply don't post it. You know what's worse than trolls like Nintega? People who can't keep their foul thoughts to themselves.

This is a PC ENGINE fansite, not a court room.

[Tatsujin]

This is a PC ENGINE fansite, not a court room.

QFT!!

[Raizen1984]

I was thinking about making a thread like this myself after the latest Mysterious Song e-war.

It's not just this forum, but it seems like forums in general (especially video game and tech ones) have acquired a serious attitude problem over recent years. Every thread practically turns into some huge debate over something minuscule. Why do people feel this insatiable need to criticize everything in everyone's posts? If that isn't lame enough, the people picked on have to respond back with equal negativity and only provoke further fighting. And then once other people join in, the thread turns into a giant pile of shit. The main reason I don't post here often anymore is because I'd rather spend my time and energy doing the things I enjoy than socialize in such a dark community.

If you don't have anything good to say then simply don't post it. You know what's worse than trolls like Nintega? People who can't keep their foul thoughts to themselves.

This is a PC ENGINE fansite, not a court room.

I think you're making a big deal out of nothing.  This is probably the 2nd most well-behaved forum I'm a part of (and I'm on so many, that I can't even count), and I'd say 90% of the posts here are incredibly friendly and helpful.  I know people were when I joined.  I was more offended by the OP on that Mysterious Song thread that lashed out at Necromancer for no reason that I could discern.  The issue here is that most people on the internet need to develop thicker skin.  It doesn't take much to get people upset on internet message forums.

Furthermore, I think heated debates and drama add a lot of insight and entertainment value to a forum.  People often complain that neo-geo.com is a shithole, but it's the largest and most active retro gaming community I'm aware of.  There's a reason for that; it's largely unmoderated.  Crack down on people and you'll find that nothing kills a forum faster than restricting conversation.  I know I wouldn't want to visit as often.  Things become very dry.

[Joe Redifer]

Neo-Geo.com doesn't seem that large to me.  Sure, it has WAAAAYY too many different sections and sub-forums, etc (something I feel clutters the place up beyond belief), but they don't have a huge volume of posts-per-day.  Sega-16 is insane with the volume of posts per day that it gets.  And that is nothing compared to the absolutely MASSIVE AVS Forums (which isn't videogame related, but the largest forum in the world that I know of).

[Nazi NecroPhile]

It cannot always be rainbows and unicorns.

Canadian Philosophy 101.   

[Sinistron]

Personally I do feel NecroPhile jumped down that guy's throat a bit in that MS thread- the guy didn't come off as demanding as NecroPhile made it out to be- but hey I've been known to jump down the occasional throat myself- so who am I to care about it one way or the other. 

But- I mean- you have to appreciate the conundrum of this thread- "Why is everyone so God-damn sensitive around here?"  I guess the irony is missing on Arjak- but yeah he's pretty much right.  You have to figure- if you can't get through an ONLINE FORUM without getting your panties in a twist- how are you gonna get through life?  I'm guessing that most of the crybabies here don't.  They just hole up in their rooms and play video games until they cry themselves to sleep cuddled up next to an anime doll with it's vaginal area torn out and replaced with a pocket pussy.  Some people need to grow a fucking pair- stop taking other's opinions so seriously and realize that a life with only rainbows A) isn't a life worth living and B) isn't realistic.  So you read through a few tiny flame wars here and there- you see a minor insult- then OMG I just can't deal!  Report topic to moderator- report topic to moderator- like the little rat (I know who you are) that reported me the SECOND after my last post that got me bounced from here for two weeks.  Not saying I didn't deserve it- and not saying that Joe wasn't just doing his job- but c'mon man- you gotta be THAT mousy mascot of wholesomeness with the mouse feverishly under your hand just waiting to report the first little spark of fucking LIFE that you see on a WEB FORUM?  Shame on you.  You sir- have a vagina in the pants.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I like rats.  I have like 20 of them.

and yeah I was kind of sad I missed out on being the one to hit the report button.   Someone else beat me to it.

maybe next time.

[Sinistron]

I like rats.  I have like 20 of them.

be careful with those and what you use them for- I hear they'll eat right through you if hungry enough.

and yeah I was kind of sad I missed out on being the one to hit the report button.

You're kind of sad regardless- it's all par for the norm eh?

  Someone else beat me to it.

If this is just so no one thinks it was you- don't worry.  I know it wasn't.  Roy seemed to think I was talking about you though- maybe Roy thinks you look like a rat and have sex with dolls- maybe you should talk to him about this.

maybe next time.

Maybe.

[Arkhan Asylum]

i have sex with dolls all the time.  No stds!  cant lose

[RoyVegas]

i have sex with dolls all the time.  No stds!  cant lose

Doesn't everyone? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/11/roxxxy-robot-girlfriend-l_n_418797.html

[Sparky]

....that reported me the SECOND after my last post that got me bounced from here for two weeks.

whaaaat!!! come on just click the "ignore" button guys if you have a problem with a members replys... it is called self managing... calling on mods on a video game forum is pretty laughable...

No offense to the mods... <<bows before them>> the spammers and the crazies like nintega need your services but members that are part of this community do not need to be reported...

I dont give a shit for post count but a lot of these so called forum "assholes" contribute to this forum with great info far more than a lot of people on here and i bet more than those people that report crap to the mods.
Sure they can be harsh at times and get all reved up but they will pick a side and have an opinion which i will agree or i wont with... christ i will take there harshness over any ebay links or "how much is this stuff worth" threads any day!!!

<<fucking group hug with a unicorn>>

[nectarsis]

 


/6e988451a597f2da9c4a6a931b461884.jpg

[Arkhan Asylum]

Ignore is for pussies.

[_Paul]

I don't often post in Fighting Street, but I wanted to make a serious point about this.

I certainly have no reservations is using the 'report to moderator' button if I feel it is necessary. It usually isn't - I've been here for quite a while and have only used it a couple of times, but I believe it is the most efficient way of alerting moderators of a thread that either has, or is in risk of going too far. It is then down to the discretion of the moderators to either act on this or not, depending on their interpretation of the forum guidelines.

It may or may not be me that Sinistron is so colourfully blasting, but I do remember reporting one of his posts in that thread as it was quite clearly descending into unnecessary personal insults, regardless of whether the points made inbetween were valid or not. I've got nothing personal against Sinistron (and feel no reason to 'ignore' him) and certainly didn't suggest that he be banned, but thought it prudent that the moderators were made aware of where the thread was headed before it really got out of hand.

It's not a case of being over-sensitive as I wasn't even involved in the discussion, but I do feel that just because the internet gives you freedom to be scathing, rude and insulting with virtually no comeback, that doesn't mean you should, as it devalues the community and drives people, both new and old, away from the forum. It doesn't take much to say the same thing in a more civil way. Perhaps I'm just too politely British, or maybe I'm getting too old and preachy and fed up with playground talk on forums these days. This is just the way I see things, I don't imagine, or expect everyone to agree with it.

No doubt responses to this post will contain words like 'pussy' and 'vagina'. So be it.

Finally, apologies for trying to make a rational post in Fighting Street. I'll try not to do it again.

[Sinistron]

My colorful insults are to remain anonymously directed- otherwise I waltz whilst whistling back into "ban" territory- 

But I'll reply to your post Paul-
once again- it wasn't that I felt that the two week ban wasn't just- and I surely wasn't bitter over the actual action.  As Joe noted on the offending thread I really haven't been coming here that much as of late.  truth is that since I don't have time lately to play PCE that I feel a tad fraudulent in frequenting the site- then right after my banning I've suffered huge personal loss with the death of my father and to tell true this place or any internet hub couldn't have been further from my mind.  Also as I noted I felt Joe was just doing his job.

What grates me more and more so as it was brought up on this thread is indeed the hypersensitivity.  You say maybe you're just getting old- well I take that as slightly condescending and if your inference was that most of us here are young- signaled by our "playground" talk- then you're totally missing that this is a CLASSIC gaming forum and that most of the core or longer-time members here were born in the early to mid 70's.  So perhaps you're just "politely British" as you say- though most of the British that I know are of a sarcastic lot- and they have their own words for 'pussy' and 'vagina'- e.g. minge, quim, fanny- perhaps these words meaning the same thing are just classier in your opinion than the awful, crude American standards (of course none of this mentioning the redundant British usage of the term "CUNT")- either that or it's not at all that you're "politely British" (man, what an upward nose turning comment), or old like most of us- but again- just that you're hypersensitive.

As for your issue that you "do feel that just because the internet gives you freedom to be scathing, rude and insulting with virtually no comeback, that doesn't mean you should"- are you suggesting that Arkhan was incapable of comeback?  He seems rather outspoken and capable of it himself- as well as having his own fair share of piss and vinegar. As for your bits about what "devalues the community"- clearly it is your own opinion- but know that a COMMUNITY by definition is made up of its members- and some of its members are outspoken- so they are already a part of that community whose standards you have your own ideas about- unless of course you feel that these people SHOULD NO LONGER be part of the "community"- that they should be outcast?  Mike Helgeson was part of the community for a long time- and quite a few people felt similar as they do with me- that the community would be better without him.  Mike was PART of that community- you understand?  YOU CAN'T MOLD A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE INTO YOUR OWN STANDARDS- or maybe you can- just ask Hitler.

As for your bit about what you feel drives people new and old away from the forum- this EXACT thread that you are posting on now offers a different viewpoint- as the OP suggests that the reason that traffic is lower here in comparison with other forums is BECAUSE people are too HYPERSENSITIVE here.  I tend to agree.  At LEAST two of the three moderators here agree to an extent too- at least that people here are too sensitive- and damn if they aren't part of your vaulted "community".

Finally- Sunteam Paul- no apologies needed for making a "rational post" in Fighting Street- we're all just brutish, crude and mindless American savages here.

[_Paul]

Thank you for your reply Sini. I can completey respect your views when you present them like this, rather than in a more aggressive manner. My sympathies for the loss of your father.

I didn't intend my comments about getting old or being 'politely British' as condescending. I was grasping for reasons why I just don't see the value in such posts - and it is true that us Brits are culturally afraid to complain about things, and many people do mellow with age 

As for the subject of hypersensitivity, I don't completey disagree with you. There have been reactions on occasion that have seemed to me very over sensitive, in the same way that there have been comments that I have felt are overly aggressive. I've never been a confrontational person, so I guess that I may be a little more sensitive to the aggressive posts than some people, but it is very rare for me to do anything other than shrug them off.

As for your issue that you "do feel that just because the internet gives you freedom to be scathing, rude and insulting with virtually no comeback, that doesn't mean you should"- are you suggesting that Arkhan was incapable of comeback?

That's not exactly what I was getting at, as it's quite apparent that Arkhan is very capable of defending his corner. I meant in terms of how people communicate on the internet compared to face-to-face. A lot of people on the internet conduct themselves in a manner that they would not dare in real life. It's far easier to be rude on a forum where there is no risk of being punched in the face than it is when you are standing next to someone - I mean that in general terms of course, because naturally there are people who are quite happy to have a shouting match with someone in the middle of the street. I'm not aiming that at you specifically, I don't know you well enough to make that assumption. I had concerns with the post in question as it was clearly leading the whole thread down into a personal flame war.

but know that a COMMUNITY by definition is made up of its members- and some of its members are outspoken- so they are already a part of that community whose standards you have your own ideas about-

I agree. There's nothing wrong with people who are outspoken and hold strong opinions that they are not afraid to share. There's nothing wrong with arguing your point of view over something. However, the standards by which we do this are clearly spelled out in the forum guidelines. The PC Engine community is what it is, but the PC Engine FX Forum community is bound by the rules set by the forum owner. I don't know the circumstances of Mike's departure from these forums, so I can't really comment on that.

YOU CAN'T MOLD A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE INTO YOUR OWN STANDARDS- or maybe you can- just ask Hitler.

No you can't, I agree. But you can lay down guidelines of conduct on a forum and the members should expect them to be enforced. That's not being hypersensitive, that's just following the rules.

[Sinistron]

So pretty much what this all boils down to is that you're a stickler for the rules and that you see fit to help enforce them the instant infractions are born.  Your whistle-blowing character has been noted- thanks for the clarification.

You know- I question if I would even have been banned if it wasn't for the fact that a party- or several parties or whatever the case may be- complained.  I question this because Joe was the one who gave me the swift boot- and me and Mike and Joe had plenty of fun awhile back and Joe's skin proved thick enough to let insults wash off him- and he is a moderator- I can think of numerous moderators on other forums that would have given me the boot the second I said that they resembled this person or whatever- but Joe didn't take any of it to heart- he knew it was all fun and games- a little letting off of steam and a few pokes and jabs that grown men shouldn't concern themselves over.  True enough- the rules are written there- but the penalties are really only paid out when a few heart-clutchers feel fit to complain- thereby forcing a moderator to dole out a punishment that he otherwise would have left as is- thinking that perhaps tougher skins would prevail.  To me- whether he'd admit it or not- Joe correctly explaining that the two week ban wouldn't be that big a deal to me on that thread was his way of saying- "hey guys- I know this is bullshit- but it's not gonna be a big deal for Sinistron"- not saying that Joe gives a rat's ass how I feel- probably wouldn't mind if I took a flying fuck off the Brooklyn Bridge- but to me it's him being mindful of how upright and overly strict the ban seemed.

So yes- thank you for clarifying that you are an overly-sensitive whistler blower.  I'll try my best to diffuse all my posts of passion and "colour"- because the rules are rules, and these internet digs can be so painful.

[_Paul]

I'm trying really hard to understand this. So you felt the ban was justified (as you said in your previous post), but your upset comes from that fact that people reported you for the actions that resulted in this ban, is that correct?

Also, you feel that having rules of conduct in place is fine, but we don't need to follow them because we're all grown up and should be free to throw personal insults at each other for an unrestricted forum experience. Yes?

[Arkhan Asylum]

I just think since were supposed to be a nice friendly community, if someone gets offended, no matter how/what/etc, everyone else should put the balls to the wall tough guy thing aside and try to fix it all up for the sake of the frequent members.   There'd be less bad blood, less bullshit, more goodshit.

and, yknow, that way members wont leave.

[Sinistron]

I'm trying really hard to understand this. So you felt the ban was justified (as you said in your previous post), but your upset comes from that fact that people reported you for the actions that resulted in this ban, is that correct?

Perhaps you're trying a little too hard to understand- its not much of a brain-buster.  The ban was justified in accordance of the rules- I for one don't agree with the rules- but it's not my site.  The rules are there- however they are only casually enforced unless it's immediately called for such as in the case with Nintega- but that's another topic- for another thread.  Again- the ban itself doesn't annoy me- it's there in the rules and while I'm here I should try to abide by them.  Eventually a mod would have wondered into the offending thread regardless to perhaps merely lock it- which has pretty much been the norm.  If someone starts crying about it though- then a mod may feel more compelled to take harsher action for it's offending someone's sense of communal purity.   What annoys me is that one person who immediately blows the whistle- and there's always one in every family.  I never understood when I was little why my mother would get pissed at me for always ratting out my brother when he'd do this or that- shouldn't she be annoyed with him and not I?  I understood more clearly when I grew up and was able to compute the meaning of other's actions and to weigh them against my own. 

What it all comes down to is this -- Nobody likes a snitch. 

Also, you feel that having rules of conduct in place is fine, but we don't need to follow them because we're all grown up and should be free to throw personal insults at each other for an unrestricted forum experience. Yes?

Don't be snarky and put fucking words in my mouth.  I never once advocated an unrestricted forum experience.  Locking a thread and banning someone for the occasional heated jab though are two different things- both involving restrictions- one (the former) is very effective and is utilized constantly on much worse threads I might add than the offending one- by the head of this site.  The latter can be a touch excessive.  Further more in the way of restrictions- certain people need to be ousted immediately- as they come with serious mental baggage- e.g. Nintega.  Threads need to be kept on topic.  CONSTANT personal abuse should garner warnings- and if those warnings aren't heeded then more direct action.  I am not some staunch advocate of chaos like you seem to suggest.

[Arkhan Asylum]

CONSTANT personal abuse should garner warnings- and if those warnings aren't heeded then more direct action.  I am not some staunch advocate of chaos like you seem to suggest.

Yep.  I think some people can connect the dots.

[_Paul]

I would be interested to hear what the moderators would constitute an appropriate use of the report feature. If they feel that I was out of order using it in that particular thread then I am quite prepared to accept that and refrain from using it again.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I would be interested to hear what the moderators would constitute an appropriate use of the report feature. If they feel that I was out of order using it in that particular thread then I am quite prepared to accept that and refrain from using it again.

uh. if it was out of line, don't you think they would've ignored your report and stuff?

[Sinistron]

I would be interested to hear what the moderators would constitute an appropriate use of the report feature. If they feel that I was out of order using it in that particular thread then I am quite prepared to accept that and refrain from using it again.

I doubt they would say that.  The option is there to use as you please- so fire away.  I'm just voicing an opinion- and my opinion never included a statement that the moderators would feel you were "out of order"- which is completely different from being an insta-snitch.  "Out of Order" conjures something against the rules or unacceptable.  It's just as I stated- that I have doubts that it would have led to my banning had no one raised a stink about it.  I don't feel that Joe would admit it- but I don't think it would have gone further than a warning and/or a locked thread.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  I'm just going by what's happened here in the past.

Let's just suffice it to say that you're the last person I'd want to be on a "team" with- be it a sunteam, a moonteam, or a bocce ball team- and let's leave it at that- unless you'd like to further try to distort my ire and reasoning to fit some clouded chaotic view like you attempted in the last two posts.  You quick-fire whistle-blew/snitched- and I didn't care for it- nor do I have to.  I can keep spelling it out for you in oversized letter blocks but something tells me it doesn't matter- you'll continue trying to stuff words into my mouth until any point made here is past exhausted.

[Joe Redifer]

What I am saying in this post is not directed towards any single person or group of members, but to every member:

Back-and-forth debate is fine, it is encouraged.  It helps keep things interesting.  But when someone starts to turn into a sour grape, things go downhill quickly.  When someone throws a personal attack against another member, you will take a forced vacation, the length of which depends on the action and/or how often they've been offensive in the same regard in the past.  Now I probably won't throw a fit if someone calls another a "dumbass" in passing or some such, but any worse than that and I start to get annoyed.  A thread lock would probably happen if it were just two members going back and forth, derailing the thread.  A ban happens at personal attacks.  If you can't make your point clearly without resorting to such tactics, then perhaps your point wasn't that strong to begin with.

What I do permit is the insulting of anyone who is not a member, Nintega for example.  If they are not members of pcengine-fx.com then they are clearly assholes.

[_Paul]

What I do permit is the insulting of anyone who is not a member, Nintega for example.  If they are not members of pcengine-fx.com then they are clearly assholes.

[Sinistron]

Well I'd be a real tiresome asshole to go digging through past posts- but I'm pretty sure that the rule on personal attacks hasn't been rigidly enforced- and has proven to be elastic time and time again by a good handful of core/older members. 

But Again- and I know that this confuses you Paul- but I'm not saying my ban wasn't deserved.  Truth is I don't even want to go back to read my offending post- because I'm pretty sure it was unpleasantly venomous- and this may surprise some of you but I'm not the type to get drunk on my own venom- which is why I disagree with you Joe when you say "If you can't make your point clearly without resorting to such tactics, then perhaps your point wasn't that strong to begin with."- I only get venomous when my point feels supernaturally strong- perhaps born from some of that insatiable and to some - nauseating - thirst for some sort of justice that some here like to crucify Mike H. for even after he's gone.  I don't attack without points- there's no logical reason to- there'd be nothing getting me fired up.  If I was an instant upstart without reason or provocation then my borrowed time here would have ended years ago.

[_Paul]

I think I understand things a little better now. Thank you for your responses.

[blueraven]

WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE SO GODDAMN SENSITIVE AROUND HERE??!?!

This place is turning into the Home Shopping Network; *LOOK MAGICAL CHASE* (you looked, didn't you  ) except the lighting guy just fell off the ladder, through the rafters, and is passed out with a broken arm in the background. The Executive Producer is too drunk to notice.

Everyone's walking on eggshells, fearing Joe's ban hammer! FEAR THE BAN HAMMER! FEAR JOE! FEAR SHINOBIMAN!! There is a complete lack of lulz here; Sinistron pointed that out this past week, and I think that is in part because everyone thinks that  "I need to be PC and witty lest the other forumites won't give me a deal on Renny Blaster"

Joe, I understand the "There was a supposed threat to another forum member" defense, but that was one thread. Why are you all of a sudden shutting down random threads; just because you can? What happened to the First Amendment? Are you just arbitrarily enforcing a nonexistent policy to E-Police the site and give the users the sense of who has the biggest sandcastle?

This forum only exists to, well, I don't know any more.  I'm not sure it ever served a useful purpose.

It encourages debate when stupid shit like this happens.

WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE SO GODDAMN SENSITIVE AROUND HERE??!?!

[Joe Redifer]

I locked two threads and banned nobody.  I love how everything grows so out of proportion.  Everyone is treating it like I killed their dog.

But you're right, blueraven, there's NO WAY we could have a debate about forum policies if Fighting Street didn't exist. 

I think YOU are also being pretty "god-damn sensitive", blueraven.  Also, the first amendment does not apply to internet forums.  It is a private forum.

[Sinistron]

I locked two threads and banned nobody. 

You banned me.  Or is the joke that I'm nobody?