FS: The Dynastic Hero (COMPLETE MINT CONDITION) for Turbo Duo *USA Release*

[exile]

I concur Ebay is very good to find what your looking for. Unfortunately, its also a place to gouge and sell dirty and dusty things. At the end of the day every thing has a price. Some willing to pay more than what something is worth just to finally add it to their collection.
Changing the subject Does anyone here got a cheap Dynastic hero for sale? lol Kidding I'm not trying to start no shit!

[Vecanti]

I concur Ebay is very good to find what your looking for. Unfortunately, its also a place to gouge and sell dirty and dusty things. At the end of the day every thing has a price. Some willing to pay more than what something is worth just to finally add it to their collection.
Changing the subject Does anyone here got a cheap Dynastic hero for sale? lol Kidding I'm not trying to start no shit!

I've used ebay a few times over the years and bought and sold a few things.  On other retro sites I hear the same things as I do here about how people kinda hate ebay and that there is price gouging going on.  I guess I don't really understand how people can price gouge on eBay though. I mean if there is something on eBay that I want and I bid $500 on it, how did the seller gouge me? I'm the one that offered $500.

At the same time I understand the difference of putting something on eBay for the world to make offers on as opposed to coming here and just letting somebody here have a game for just shipping because we are friends and a community of hobbyists.

Seems like if someone posts here asking $500 for a game though it's not big deal.  If you think it is $400 over priced, either ignore the post, offer some friendly advice saying something like "I'm not interested in this game, but just thought I'd let you know a more realistic price is closer to $100", or give them a serious offer "I know you asking $500 and I don't want to offend you buy I think the actual price is closer to $100 which I would be willing to offer."

[OldMan]

Please understand before you start flaming me. I do not Buy from EBay; I'm neither for it nor against it. With that said....

You gouge on EBay by putting an item up for an extravagant price. If it doesn't sell, you re-list it for an even higher price. Pretty soon, all of your re-lists (that still haven't sold) become the 'normal' price for an item. So then, you can sell it for more than the original listing, but less than the current one and people think it's a good deal....After all, there was one listed for more than what you asked for, right?

You can also have fun by getting a buddy to bid for you. He offers just a bit more than any sane person would, so people will think it's a good price - And he buys it from you (with great feedback) with your own money. (Hey, you gotta pay the fees anyway). Now you can list it again, and when people ask for a reasonable price, you can point out that it sold for about what you want not that long ago, so if they really want it....

There are always going to be people who get caught up in the auction part of it, too. People who know better, but can't stand to be outbid. Even if it's by your friends, trying to get more than an item is worth.

Mind you, E-Bay has a place. It's just not where I would actually buy anything.

And, btw, e-bay prices are *not* normal prices for things. Auction means 'get the most you can', so anyone saying that's what it sold for should think about it. Just because someone pays $1 Billion for a painting at auction doesn't mean it's worth it to everyone. And paintings are unique, one of a kind objects, not 1 of 100,000 released video games.

[nat]

I've used ebay a few times over the years and bought and sold a few things.  On other retro sites I hear the same things as I do here about how people kinda hate ebay and that there is price gouging going on.  I guess I don't really understand how people can price gouge on eBay though. I mean if there is something on eBay that I want and I bid $500 on it, how did the seller gouge me? I'm the one that offered $500.

The thing is-- [most] of the people that pay the ridiculous prices on eBay are strictly collectors. Money is no object for them, their only goal is to complete their collection, at whatever the cost. What we have here (and other console-specific forums) are actual gamers. People who, you know, actually play the games. It's an entirely different market. Games are bought and sold in the "gamer market" often times at hundreds of dollars less than what is being tossed around on eBay.

So when these people show up out of the blue trying to peddle their wares in the "gamer market" at "eBay market" prices, everyone gets upset. It really is not all that complicated.

You might be wondering how there came to be such a huge divergence between the "gamer market" and "eBay market" for US Turbo stuff. It can almost all be attributed to a select group of individuals over the past two years, some of whom are members on this forum, who decided after TZD went under that US Turbo stuff was somehow "rare" (probably due, at least in part, to the fact that the 15-year-old official outlet for new, sealed Turbo gear closed its doors). Aided by eBay sellers who helped artificially inflate the market by leaving ridiculously priced Turbo goods up for sale sometimes for YEARS on end (remember the $100 loose Air Zonk and Samurai Ghost carts?), these people, to the horror of the Turbo gaming community, successfully made the eBay Turbo market all but useless to the gamer.

So when it looks like people here are just "dumping on the new guy," you have to understand, there is a reason. I don't think anyone here on these forums, aforementioned individuals aside, is willing to pay "eBay market" prices for US Turbo stuff. If, as a seller, all you're interested is top dollar then take your stuff straight to eBay and don't even bother with us. We'll continue just fine without you, and continue to buy, sell and trade amongst ourselves at far more reasonable rates.

Those of us who do still use eBay occasionally wait for the SimpleSimon's who come along every year or so and dump lots of sealed Turbo goods into the market at extremely reasonable prices (read: nothing over $20).

[exile]

Sadly Nat that sentiment holds true. The problem is how collectors treat each other. Some guys have given me amazing deals on games, while others, (who I know paid the original sticker price) want to beat me upside the head with a mark up. There were times I had to back out of a deal because I thought the seller wanted too much money or they wanted me to cough up several other games for one title. Everyone wants compensation, but some want to maximize their profits. I don't like it when they do it, but that doesn't make me want to cuss they @$$ out either. Its not exactly inviting to "casual readers" passing through and reading posts saying: "go f themselves among other expletives. I know most of us are old dogs on these forums, but what if there are kids reading this stuff? It would make us look bad.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I know most of us are old dogs on these forums, but what if there are kids reading this stuff? It would make us look bad.

Are you fucking kidding me?!?  This ain't a Hannah Montana forum or Pokémon World, so nobody should have an expectation of this being a G rated site.

[exile]

Here we go again..........

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Here we go again..........

Where we goin'?

[BlackandBlue]

I know people give zeta shit all the time, but I have to agree 100% with him.  No offense to Shinobiman, because I saw his thread over on DigitPress a while ago and they were encouraging him that he will get the $500 for the game.

But...  If there were not 'angry, on their high horses, holy than thou' attitude, the market might be just as horrible as it is on ebay on these and other forums.  People like zeta have the balls to say 'fuck you and your rediculous prices and take them to ebay or shove em up your ass'.  Again, no offense Shinobiman, as you were told to come over here and try to sell it.

I know exile is sticking up for him and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but there have been a ton of people that come to these forums because they think they can sell their OMG uber rare copy of Keith Courage for $20.  It is kind of insulting.  I may not have been around since the beginning of time like some of you have, but that does not make me any less of a TG fan.

/rant

[Arkhan Asylum]

Sadly Nat that sentiment holds true. The problem is how collectors treat each other. Some guys have given me amazing deals on games, while others, (who I know paid the original sticker price) want to beat me upside the head with a mark up. There were times I had to back out of a deal because I thought the seller wanted too much money or they wanted me to cough up several other games for one title. Everyone wants compensation, but some want to maximize their profits. I don't like it when they do it, but that doesn't make me want to cuss they @$$ out either. Its not exactly inviting to "casual readers" passing through and reading posts saying: "go f themselves among other expletives. I know most of us are old dogs on these forums, but what if there are kids reading this stuff? It would make us look bad.

Collectors sometimes act pretty elitist, like this is some kinda country club.  It's retarded.  In all honesty, the collectors that don't play stuff are pretty useless as a whole. They're not actively keeping the system alive or making forums an interesting place.   They're just dickin' off and ruining it for the people that still want to turn the system on and play it.

if you took those people away, it would improve things. ;)

and if you're 13+ (age for the forum, right?) and haven't heard "go fuck yourself", you need to crawl out from under your sheltered rock and introduce yourself to life.

also we're not babysitters.  If a kid is on here reading OMGDIRTYWORDS, thats his problem, and more importantly, his parents problem.   Watch what little timmy is doing on the internets or something. 

I know people give zeta shit all the time, but I have to agree 100% with him.  No offense to Shinobiman, because I saw his thread over on DigitPress a while ago and they were encouraging him that he will get the $500 for the game.

there it is, full reasons why I said what I said about digitpress.  If the people at digitpiss knew anything about the turbob, they'd be posting here instead.


theres always going to be those people who think just because its "retro", they're automagically informed, and chock full o' made up bullshit that they've convinced themselves is legit.

[BlackandBlue]

oops, I was thinking of a different thread.  I just checked it and no one really said to come here, but they did tell him it was a 'fair price'.

[Vecanti]

I think there are a lot of good responses and interesting thoughts.

I guess where I come from there are 2 ways we buy stuff and 2 ways we sell stuff.

If I'm buying something, I pay what it is worth to me.  Simple.  There is the 2nd case where maybe I want to help out a neighbor and or charity and I would pay over the price, but that is more like a donation.

If I sell something I want to get the most money out of it I can. If two strangers are standing there and one offers me $500 for my TV and the other offers $200.  Guess who's getting it?     There is the 2nd case where I sell something super cheap to a friend or in this case a community member or somebody down on their luck because it's the right thing to do to help another person out.  But this is a video game we are talking about.  Not something one needs to survive and live or to help their family survive.

[MotherGunner]

Like many here I had to settle for the japaniese version since I happen to really like Wonderboy titles.

I really want the american version because I like many here, actually PLAY the games.   It just sucks how these prices have gotten how they have gotten and the posts above from guys like Nat and Zeta paint the exact picture of how it happened.   The truth is DH is NOT worth $500 and it's unfortunate that I may never be able to play it in English and enjoy it.

At the same time, that's capitalism for you.  =/

[SignOfZeta]

It just occurred to me that this thread has been going on for so long that we are nearly due for another gouger to join the forum and try to dump a $400 Dungeon Explorer II on us.

[ShinobiMan]

It just occurred to me that this thread has been going on for so long that we are nearly due for another gouger to join the forum and try to dump a $400 Dungeon Explorer II on us.

I have that game too. :-)

How much is it worth? I wasn't planning on selling it.

[Mathius]

It just occurred to me that this thread has been going on for so long that we are nearly due for another gouger to join the forum and try to dump a $400 Dungeon Explorer II on us.

I have that game too. :-)

How much is it worth? I wasn't planning on selling it.

Yes, it's worth keeping.

[TheClash603]

DE2 is $100.

...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.

[MotherGunner]

3 years ago I paid $65 for DEII and I thought it was quite the ripoff then.  Love it btw.

[exile]

De2 should be a topic by itself. I still think the first game is superior to the second. Even thought DE2 had Cd tracks and anime scenes, the first felt like a better experience

[Nazi NecroPhile]

...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.

Bull. Shit.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.

Bull. Shit.

seconded.  DEII is a top five must have game for the system, US or import.  Dynastic Hero, is a fun little romp, but aint in the same league as DEII.

[SignOfZeta]

...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.

Bull. Shit.

Didn't you hear? Its worth a third as much, if that. Its obviously not as good.

[nectarsis]

...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.

Bull. Shit.

Even Dragon's Curse easily beats Dynastic fun factor wise IMO.

[exile]

Whats the difference between D.H. and any other wonderboy title? I never played it

[nat]

It's a port of the Genesis's Wonderboy V. It got the "different boss character" treatment that Wonderboy in Monsterland got.

[TheClash603]

...and it isn't nearly as good as Dynastic Hero.

Bull. Shit.

Didn't you hear? Its worth a third as much, if that. Its obviously not as good.

Air Zonk, Splash Lake, Gate of Thunder, Parasol Stars, and Cadash could be purchased combined for less than DE2, and each is much better than DE2 as well.  Each is better than Dynastic Hero too.

Just because a game is expensive, it doesn't mean it can't be better than a cheaper game; and vice versa.

I just don't understand why the DE games are so popular.  They are Gauntlet, but worse.

[nectarsis]

They are Gauntlet, but worse.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.  I can't think of any way (besides nostalgia) that Gauntlet trumps the DE games.

[nat]

Oh man, this guy's a lost cause.

[Colossus1574]

They are Gauntlet, but worse.

NOT EVEN CLOSE.  I can't think of any way (besides nostalgia) that Gauntlet trumps the DE games.

Yah...if we're comparing the original Gauntlets 1 or 2 vs. DE 1 or 2, then i'm for DE. It wouldn't be fair to compare with the new Gauntlets for say the Ps2. Those ones have evolved more into rpg/action quite nicely IMO.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

They are Gauntlet, but worse.

Bull. Shit.

[TheClash603]

They are Gauntlet, but worse.

Bull. Shit.

Am I honestly the only one that thinks the DE games are pretty average?  Especially DE1?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Am I honestly the only one that thinks the DE games are pretty average?  Especially DE1?

I'm sure you're not alone, but you're certainly in the minority.  Different strokes for different folks, eh?

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I guess for me it was the overall presentation of DEII that floored me back in1993.  I mean 5 player simultaneous role playing game play?!?! C'mon!!

I remember playing the game single player mode, and then a friend playing single player mode and getting really far.  We started a new party using both of our characters and were able to continue playing through the game together.   This can be done x5!  Wouldn't that be an experience?

We should start a thread posting our passwords of our farthest characters and meet up sometime and go through the game!!

[nat]

Not to encourage further thread derailment, but here's my take on Dungeon Explorer.

[Sinistron]

Dungeon Explorer, Ys, Blazing Lazers and Parasol Stars were the games I owned that made my Genesis friends feel uncertain back in the day- there was just no disputing the quality of games like that.  I honestly don't see how anyone in their right frame of mind can call Dungeon Explorer average.  It just had that magic feel- incredibly transporting for an early release 3 meg hu.  And the bang for your buck- so many sweet ass bosses and levels, unlockable characters, 5-player action, lovely chip tunes- and it just had more gravity than Gauntlet- which felt like an endless slog n' slash quarter munching 100-enemies-surrounding-you run.  Dungeon Explorer will always be a heartfelt memory of mine.  One of the best times I've had playing a videogame.

[Mathius]

DE has my favorite chiptunes out of the entire US Turbo library. Followed closely by Legendary Axe.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I always refer to DE as "Gauntlet, but with a point"

[JoshTurboTrollX]

They are Gauntlet, but worse.

I always refer to DE as "Gauntlet, but with a point"

I've always referred to Gauntlet IV as a Dungeon Explorer rip off.

[Arkhan Asylum]

They are Gauntlet, but worse.

I always refer to DE as "Gauntlet, but with a point"

I've always referred to Gauntlet IV as a Dungeon Explorer rip off.

nice.