The Wii U

[JoshTurboTrollX]

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/06/touch-screen-controller-wiiu-unveiled-coming-in-2012.ars



This is actually kind of what I envisioned a Dreamcast 2 controller would be like.  I dig the idea of being able to play console games on a smaller portable screen.  Could be good.

[_Paul]

I am unsure about this. I don't know what to think.

[Mathius]

I am still confused as to whether it is just an add on for the Wii, or a stand alone game console. If it is a stand alone where do the games insert? I am afraid of the answer I might get on the latter. I am a little concerned about the direction Nintendo is taking with this. I am getting a little tired of all the gimmickry. I just want to play games dammit!

[jperryss]

I am still confused as to whether it is just an add on for the Wii, or a stand alone game console. If it is a stand alone where do the games insert? I am afraid of the answer I might get on the latter. I am a little concerned about the direction Nintendo is taking with this. I am getting a little tired of all the gimmickry. I just want to play games dammit!

That is just the controller. The console itself looks like a curvy Wii.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/07/the-wiiu-nintendos-next-console/

[Joe Redifer]

The controller is absolutely 100% gimmick and I am getting tired of it as well.  I guarantee you that while the controller may feel light and comfortable at first, the size of the damn thing will be the #1 complaint during the console's life.  People hated the original Xbox controller and it was about 40 times smaller than this thing.  The Japanese won't even be able to pick it up!

The console name, Wii U, is the single most retarded thing I have ever heard.

[BlueBMW]

Looks interesting enough, but lets face it... they're just not going to ever be able to make something as fantastic as the PC Engine.

In all seriousness though, I think that's why there is such a hardcore following of retro games.  These new systems just cant deliver the same experience as our old games can.  Call me old (27 lol) and stubborn, but it seems like newer games are more about flash and gimmick than they are about quality gaming experiences.

[Keranu]

Looks like Nintendo took everything they've done for the past 6 - 7 years and crammed it into one system. I'm going to have to see some incredible software to be impressed.

[SuperDeadite]

I'm very happy that Nintendo has chosen to make another piece of shit system.
This way, I don't have to worry about spending money on one ever. 

[Arkhan Asylum]

The console name, Wii U, is the single most retarded thing I have ever heard.

I WUVVVV WII U AND KEN.  STWEET FIGHTO IS MY FAVOWITE GAEM.

WII U HAS SUCH COO FIUHBAWWS.

HADOOOOKEN.

I think it is kind of neat and futurtistic.  I hope the quality of it is nice though.

It looks like it'll be alright to hold.  you mostly just grip the sides, or resort to touchymode.   Your hands may be wider apart than normal, but you aren't forced to reach across the gaps.  It's almost like the wii-mote+nunchuck really.  Everything each hand needs to do is sitting on what it needs to do.  You just have a screen instead of a tether cable.  This is good.  No more fucking flailing around like a cunt.


It looks like if they do the games right, it will be awesome.

However, given nintendos trackrecord, its going to be a ton of stupid ass gimmick games, instead of doing it right.

The Trauma Center games would do nicely though!

The whole thing LOOKS cool.  Sleek, modern, and shit.  Like how Apple tries to be. 

[Senshi]

The console name, Wii U, is the single most retarded thing I have ever heard.

Agreed. I watched the press conference and they over thought this name big time.

[Arkhan Asylum]

well one thing we're overlooking is that Japan's got a much different culture, where this sort of thing is probably normal and exciting to them.

[Tatsujin]

I'm very happy that Nintendo has chosen to make another piece of shit system.
This way, I don't have to worry about spending money on one ever. 

I hope the others will follow with their shit lineup as well

[roflmao]

Wii U reminds me of the movie "Kung Pow: Enter the Fist".  I love that movie.

[grahf]

I'm not sure how I feel about this yet.

[Opethian]

I'm.....uncomfortable

[Mathius]

Nintendo and myself could really kiss and make up if they would just realize that IMO nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can be as accurate as having a comfortable controller in your hand, fingers pressing buttons, d-pad, and/or manipulating an analog stick (flight sticks, roller balls, etc. are an exception in that they provide a very specific function). I think the advent of the NES pad is the single defining reason why games are as popular as they are in that they give the user complete control over what is onscreen. Honestly, I don't think that there will ever be an exception to this in the future, unless you like being up off the couch dancing around the living room like a dingbat. I prefer to be comfortable, with old-school controller in hand.

There, that's my rant for Wednesday, June 8th 2011.

[Keranu]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am getting sick and tired of recent E3's showing off no new original games whatsoever. Every title I saw at Nintendo's this year was either a sequel or remake, just like the years before it. (Star Fox 64 3D? Why not just make an entirely new Star Fox and ditch the ridiculous title name!)

Art doesn't come from sale numbers and we can't expect any new foundations to be laid unless companies start taking risks. The one thing I respected most about Nintendo is that they've usually been the only big company to take any risks in recent generations, but the focus has been on hardware rather than software. How long are we going to continue using first person engines until a totally new genre comes along to begin a new era of gaming?

I think the real changes in gaming will eventually come from independent developers because of its growing communities and lack of financial loss if a game doesn't sell. Indeed, the gaming industry has headed in the same direction as Hollywood.

[Tatsujin]

Wiiuiuiuiuii!

[TheClash603]

Looks pretty rad to me, and I like the name.

It would be great if the controller was something you could take around with you, and it was the new Gameboy.  I already bought the 3DS, but I would be okay if Nintendo decided this was the future in portability instead.

Let's hope the controller does more than a VMU.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I think there are some neat idea's there, but, it's still pure gimmick.  I'm alot more interested in the PSV, that thing is grabbing my attention more & more!  And it doesn't seem gimmicky to me.  Maybe if it had come out several years ago with the touch screen & all, but I actually like the touch pad idea in the back of the PSV, it feels inventive & unique, without being a gimmick or a copy of something else....though, only time will tell depending on what developers do with it!

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Imagine super monkey ball with using the controllers touch pad as a roller ball!

The more I see of this, the more I at least want to try it.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Wii U reminds me of the movie "Kung Pow: Enter the Fist".  I love that movie.

Wiiuiuiuiuii!

[DragonmasterDan]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am getting sick and tired of recent E3's showing off no new original games whatsoever. Every title I saw at Nintendo's this year was either a sequel or remake, just like the years before it. (Star Fox 64 3D? Why not just make an entirely new Star Fox and ditch the ridiculous title name!)

That's an industry wide problem. The reality of the situation is this, people love franchises and people beg for sequels and starting a brand new franchise can be a risky proposition as things like name recognition help. I remember a few years ago looking through a top 20 selling game list, the only new (as in started within the previous 3 years) franchise on that list was Assassins Creed. The investment to produce Triple A titles continues to climb as development costs go up and companies are less and less willing to take risks. It's not JUST Nintendo.

Art doesn't come from sale numbers and we can't expect any new foundations to be laid unless companies start taking risks. The one thing I respected most about Nintendo is that they've usually been the only big company to take any risks in recent generations, but the focus has been on hardware rather than software. How long are we going to continue using first person engines until a totally new genre comes along to begin a new era of gaming?

Yes, but MOST game companies aren't trying to produce art, they're trying to generate a profit.

I think the real changes in gaming will eventually come from independent developers because of its growing communities and lack of financial loss if a game doesn't sell. Indeed, the gaming industry has headed in the same direction as Hollywood.

Of course, the same goes with film, music and any other art, the big boys are mostly interested in what is proven to make money.

[Raizen1984]

I think it's good that the industry is trying new things.  That looks like one heavy ass and expensive controller though.

[Joe Redifer]

Imagine super monkey ball with using the controllers touch pad as a roller ball!

As a Super Monkey Ball fan, I say this with all sincerity and seriousness... that is a HORRIBLE idea!  And one that will likely come to fruition.  Damn you, Sega!  The Gamecube analog stick is the single best way to control Monkey Ball.  It does not need any additional control gimmicks.

[Keranu]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am getting sick and tired of recent E3's showing off no new original games whatsoever. Every title I saw at Nintendo's this year was either a sequel or remake, just like the years before it. (Star Fox 64 3D? Why not just make an entirely new Star Fox and ditch the ridiculous title name!)

That's an industry wide problem. The reality of the situation is this, people love franchises and people beg for sequels and starting a brand new franchise can be a risky proposition as things like name recognition help. I remember a few years ago looking through a top 20 selling game list, the only new (as in started within the previous 3 years) franchise on that list was Assassins Creed. The investment to produce Triple A titles continues to climb as development costs go up and companies are less and less willing to take risks. It's not JUST Nintendo.

Art doesn't come from sale numbers and we can't expect any new foundations to be laid unless companies start taking risks. The one thing I respected most about Nintendo is that they've usually been the only big company to take any risks in recent generations, but the focus has been on hardware rather than software. How long are we going to continue using first person engines until a totally new genre comes along to begin a new era of gaming?

Yes, but MOST game companies aren't trying to produce art, they're trying to generate a profit.

I think the real changes in gaming will eventually come from independent developers because of its growing communities and lack of financial loss if a game doesn't sell. Indeed, the gaming industry has headed in the same direction as Hollywood.

Of course, the same goes with film, music and any other art, the big boys are mostly interested in what is proven to make money.

Not sure if you were disagreeing with me there or not. I wasn't putting any blame solely on Nintendo, they're still the company I respect most today for at least trying to be different. Can't have a beloved franchise without starting from scratch.

[DirkFunk]

From what i have seen. . . I am not interested.

I'm sick of Zelda, Mario, etc. . . They're always the same with some (usually very minor) tweaks.

I'm sick of gimmicks.

I am also sick of sequels, Call of Duty, Halo, Uncharted, Gears of War etc. . .

Downloadable games seem to offer the most interesting (and fun) experience right now.

The only retail game I am looking forward to is Skyrim (Which, is a sequel).

[thrush]

This is actually kind of what I envisioned a Dreamcast 2 controller would be like.

Exactly my thought on seeing it.

I think it is kind of neat and futurtistic.  I hope the quality of it is nice though.
[...]
It looks like if they do the games right, it will be awesome.

I agree; I think the hardware is very forward-thinking and the design is slick.  But I think the proof will be in the software, and I'm not holding my breath.

Looks pretty rad to me, and I like the name.

It would be great if the controller was something you could take around with you, and it was the new Gameboy.  I already bought the 3DS, but I would be okay if Nintendo decided this was the future in portability instead.

Let's hope the controller does more than a VMU.

Also agreed.  I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the name is alright.  ^^

Overall, I thought all three major players had some interesting things on show (I also liked the looks of the PSV) but I couldn't help feeling underwhelmed by the game lineups that each displayed.  I agree with DragonmasterDan & Keranu: following the money cannot help but lead to a certain level of mediocrity as it necessitates aiming for a low common denominator.

Having said that, I'll admit I'm a little excited by the idea of a Sly 4....

[jperryss]

Imagine super monkey ball with using the controllers touch pad as a roller ball!

As a Super Monkey Ball fan, I say this with all sincerity and seriousness... that is a HORRIBLE idea!  And one that will likely come to fruition.  Damn you, Sega!  The Gamecube analog stick is the single best way to control Monkey Ball.  It does not need any additional control gimmicks.

The fact that the game was played with literally JUST an analog stick, and was still incredibly fun and very challenging, was a big part of it's charm IMO.

I hated the Wii version and constantly wished I could play it with a GC pad or nunchuck.

On the DS version I settled for the d-pad as I hated it with touchscreen controls.

[Joe Redifer]

I hated the Wii version and constantly wished I could play it with a GC pad or nunchuck.

Agreed!  Oh man, I despise that Wii version.  It could have been pretty good with an analog control option.  The 3DS version DOES have the analog control option and it plays pretty well, but it is really, really easy.

[VestCunt]

You can call it a gimmick, but Nintendo is just innovating new gaming technology like they've always done.  They did it in 1985 with an robot and a gun; they did it with a running pad, a glove, and a piano; and they did it when they popularized portable gaming with the Game Boy.  The Virtual Boy was a flop, but at least they tried something new.  The N64 thumbstick has problems, but they gave us a passable 3D controller before Playstation.  The Wii nunchuks are OK.  These innovations keep one step ahead of giants like Sony and Microsoft.

The name sucks, but console naming has always been a sign of the times.  Just as words like mega and turbo scream 1989, "Wii U" and "Xbox" will forever be identified with the iPod/iPad era.

[geise]

The main idea I like about the system is that if my wife wanted to watch a show while I was playing I can just let her and play the rest on the controller.  I think that's an awesome idea.  Being backwards compatible is an added bonus.  Not sure if it will have GC compatibility.  Like others I don't even want to know what a 2nd controller is going to cost.  Think of how many pc-engine games that could be.  Hell probably a couple MVS games.  I'm actually liking the new console but I keep thinking to myself how many more classic games I can just buy instead.  Personally though I think the controller is really nice.  If I had young kids I will be watching them like crazy if they were using.  I hope they make them pretty damn durable. 

Only money I'll be spending on something new is the PSVita.  wifi of course.

[Mathius]

I am not knocking the idea of Nintendo moving forward with what they have learned with Wii. I expected nothing less from a company that is in the business to continually push forward the boundries of interactive entertainment. It just scares me that they are losing their roots, and forgetting what and who got them here.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I am not knocking the idea of Nintendo moving forward with what they have learned with Wii. I expected nothing less from a company that is in the business to continually push forward the boundries of interactive entertainment. It just scares me that they are losing their roots, and forgetting what and who got them here.

Or are they actually going BACK to their roots?  Doesn't this new Wii U controller just look like a SNES controller with a big ass screen in the middle?

[Keranu]

I agree with what Joe said early in the thread too about the controller size. I still don't really know how this whole system is going to work, but I can't imagine playing a long adventure like Zelda with that gigantic controller to be much fun. I'm glad Nintendo has decided to continue using the Wiimote, I thought that was a brilliant design that rarely ever met its potential on the Wii. Maybe now if they start pushing out more Wiimotes with Motion + built in we can finally get some good, innovative motion controlled games on Wii U.

[Mathius]

Well lets hope they listen to the masses and give us multiple controller options.

[Arkhan Asylum]

as much as I hate to say it, the thing looks fun.  if games like recent Wii titles are whats on it from the get go (lost in shadow, fragile dreams, kirby epic pocketlint, etc), it may bring back the yayness.


Xbox 360 will get Otomedius soon.  Aside from that I could fucking care less what moronic American money-maker game shows up.

Halo 4: Reacharound
Queers of War 3
Battlefield: Metro-warfare
Call of Duty whatever

its all homosexual.

PS3 has agarest war and catherine

Theres your fucking art.


Remember when all games were art?

shits going down the tubes fast.

[DragonmasterDan]

You can call it a gimmick, but Nintendo is just innovating new gaming technology like they've always done.  They did it in 1985 with an robot and a gun; they did it with a running pad, a glove, and a piano; and they did it when they popularized portable gaming with the Game Boy.  The Virtual Boy was a flop, but at least they tried something new.  The N64 thumbstick has problems, but they gave us a passable 3D controller before Playstation.  The Wii nunchuks are OK.  These innovations keep one step ahead of giants like Sony and Microsoft.

The name sucks, but console naming has always been a sign of the times.  Just as words like mega and turbo scream 1989, "Wii U" and "Xbox" will forever be identified with the iPod/iPad era.

You forgot about the D-pad

[DirkFunk]

Word on the street is that the system will only support 1 touch controller. . . It will once again not play DVD or Blu Ray discs (because Nintendo are too cheap to pay licensing fees for it). The screen on the controller needs a sytlus (which is why I dislike the DS).

It's fine if people think it looks cool or whatever, but in the Nintendo tradition, Mario will be Mario with a gimmick that's fun for 5 minutes. Zelda will be Zelda with a gimmick. Not a whole lot changes. I'm over those games. I'm over most shooters. It's all getting very tired.

[DragonmasterDan]

It will once again not play DVD or Blu Ray discs (because Nintendo are too cheap to pay licensing fees for it).

I don't think it's a cost issue, Nintendo has always maintained they want their hardware to be a game system and not a set top box multimedia device. If you're buying their system, they want you buying software they make money on from it too, not using it as a multimedia device.

[DirkFunk]

It will once again not play DVD or Blu Ray discs (because Nintendo are too cheap to pay licensing fees for it).

I don't think it's a cost issue, Nintendo has always maintained they want their hardware to be a game system and not a set top box multimedia device. If you're buying their system, they want you buying software they make money on from it too, not using it as a multimedia device.

I supose. I just think it's stupid.

It does have Netflix, which is a multimedia function.

My Wii is a paperweight. If it played DVDs that would be something. . . Everyone knows it's capable of doing so, so why not?

[DragonmasterDan]

I supose. I just think it's stupid.

It does have Netflix, which is a multimedia function.

My Wii is a paperweight. If it played DVDs that would be something. . . Everyone knows it's capable of doing so, so why not?

Yes, but it has Netflix due to Netflix financially compensating Nintendo for subscribers using it on their Wii.

Like I said before, it's capable of doing it but Nintendo wants the primary reason people purchase their hardware to be to buy games (IE things that make Nintendo money). I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo sold a DVD player (or if it has the appropriate optical drive) a Blu-Ray player via their online store for their system. Nintendo has structured their entire business model around a closed system where they reap all the profits and considering the fact that they're still making hardware it's been a good business model for them so far.

[nat]

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think this thing looks half-bad. It's like a Wii on steroids. I think it's funny that everybody cried their eyes out about the Wii's inferior graphical capabilities (lower resolution, lack of true HD), yet here we have the Wii U, which is HD-capable. Everyone just glosses right over that fact. Indeed, some people's only argument against the Wii has been its inferior graphical capabilities and now that that has been addressed, people just find something else to complain about.

Nintendo hardware has always excelled in certain areas while lagging behind (the contemporary competition) in others, it should be no shock to anyone at this point. It's been the norm since the NES days...  With the NES you had a fast CPU and poor graphical hardware. With the SNES you had the slowest CPU of the 16-bit era alongside a comparatively overpowered graphical chipset. With the N64 you had no optical drive, insufficient RAM, the worst controllers in history and...... graphics that were slightly better than the competition. GameCube featured a goofy proprietary disc format and no DVD playback support, and the Wii.... Inferior graphics, with a focus on revolutionizing how people play video games.

I agree (for the first time in history) with Keranu when he says the Wiimote has yet to realize its full potential. I think the concept is fantastic, and yet continues to go underutilized. I think more people tend to side with people like Mathius who prefer more traditional controls and as a result developers haven't really explored all the possibilities with the Wiimote. The biggest problem with the Wii as it is now isn't the graphics or anything alone those lines, it's the fact that since the Wii is so easy to develop for there is just tons and tons of shovelware available for it. Shovelware tends to not make very good use of the hardware and be not very good in general, which reflects poorly on the platform.

Back to the U, I think the name is awful, but the thing looks like a decent concept. Depending on reliability of this touchscreen controller, I may even end up trading in the Wii for one of these if it's retaining backwards compatibility.

[DirkFunk]

I supose. I just think it's stupid.

It does have Netflix, which is a multimedia function.

My Wii is a paperweight. If it played DVDs that would be something. . . Everyone knows it's capable of doing so, so why not?

Yes, but it has Netflix due to Netflix financially compensating Nintendo for subscribers using it on their Wii.

Like I said before, it's capable of doing it but Nintendo wants the primary reason people purchase their hardware to be to buy games (IE things that make Nintendo money). I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo sold a DVD player (or if it has the appropriate optical drive) a Blu-Ray player via their online store for their system. Nintendo has structured their entire business model around a closed system where they reap all the profits and considering the fact that they're still making hardware it's been a good business model for them so far.

As much as I piss and moan about these things. . . I'll probably still buy one. . .

[CrackTiger]

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think this thing looks half-bad. It's like a Wii on steroids. I think it's funny that everybody cried their eyes out about the Wii's inferior graphical capabilities (lower resolution, lack of true HD), yet here we have the Wii U, which is HD-capable. Everyone just glosses right over that fact. Indeed, some people's only argument against the Wii has been its inferior graphical capabilities and now that that has been addressed, people just find something else to complain about.

The Wii's generation-behind graphics haven't been addressed, Nintendo has instead entered a new generation with last generation graphics. Again.

The 360 and PS3 getting motion controls addresses and surpasses the Wii's only strength in comparison. The equivalent for the Wii would be if the Wii U was a $50 plug-in with optional tablet pads for the current system.

At least this time it isn't essentially the exact same Nintendo hardware as the previous generation and instead looks more like the competition's last gen hardware. The Wii was hard to swallow as an entire console purchase instead of as a Gamecube sensor bar/remote. Sony and Microsoft did exactly that instead of working over their customers who supported them the previous generation. If you take that Wii U tablet-pad and plug it into the PS3 or 360, the competition already has Nintendo beat with the exact same level of hardware, only with more features, including the most important one of all going forward: proper online game support.

Considering that Sony and Microsoft finally learned that it was worthwhile to neutralize Nintendo by selling a similar gimmick as an add-on, they're probably both already designing superior tablet-pads that could be out by the time the Wii U launches. Imagine how cheap the PS3 and 360 motion bundles will be by then? They could both have tablet-pad bundles on shelves the day the Wii U launches, only at a lower price.

Nintendo hardware has always excelled in certain areas while lagging behind (the contemporary competition) in others, it should be no shock to anyone at this point. It's been the norm since the NES days...  With the NES you had a fast CPU and poor graphical hardware. With the SNES you had the slowest CPU of the 16-bit era alongside a comparatively overpowered graphical chipset. With the N64 you had no optical drive, insufficient RAM, the worst controllers in history and...... graphics that were slightly better than the competition. GameCube featured a goofy proprietary disc format and no DVD playback support, and the Wii.... Inferior graphics, with a focus on revolutionizing how people play video games.

Take any of those consoles before the Wii and insert the previous gen's Nintendo hardware inside. A top loader NES with "Super Nintendo" written on it is not the same as the SNES we actually got having a slow cpu.

I agree (for the first time in history) with Keranu when he says the Wiimote has yet to realize its full potential. I think the concept is fantastic, and yet continues to go underutilized. I think more people tend to side with people like Mathius who prefer more traditional controls and as a result developers haven't really explored all the possibilities with the Wiimote. The biggest problem with the Wii as it is now isn't the graphics or anything alone those lines, it's the fact that since the Wii is so easy to develop for there is just tons and tons of shovelware available for it. Shovelware tends to not make very good use of the hardware and be not very good in general, which reflects poorly on the platform.

I totally agree. I think that console companies should never have bothered releasing motion controls, or any other gimmicks, without first figuring out how to utilize it enough with software. The Power Glove, Activator, U-Force, etc could have all been fantastic with fantastic dedicated software. Instead, like too many of the better Wii games, they only offered inferior ways of controlling traditional games. The biggest and easiest way to transform the Wii into being worthwhile is to make regular controller support mandatory, while keeping the option for arm flailing controls.

Back to the U, I think the name is awful, but the thing looks like a decent concept. Depending on reliability of this touchscreen controller, I may even end up trading in the Wii for one of these if it's retaining backwards compatibility.

The Wii name was bad enough, but this isn't much worse, only boring and not differentiating enough. I also hate "Vita". Hopefully the PS4 and Xbox 720 keep their naming patterns.

Even if I never get into what ever is current "gaming" at any given time again, I'll probably continue to buy each new console. Although I have yet to make use of my PS3 as a PS3 game player. I like the look of the Wii U much more than the Wii. It looks like the bare bones, plastic door Arcade 360 and more like a real console.

I can't get worked up over current gen video games anymore and it's not really a big deal to me. It just sucks that Nintendo's last ditch attempt to regain hardcore players is a further step in the opposite direction. It is however much better than I expected.

It seems like a terrible business decision overall, but then so did the DS, Wii and 3DS... so who knows anymore. We're living in an age when people drop billions on essentially renting Apple products and software.

It really smacks of a board room meeting a week ago where an executive said "Hey, iPads are popular with young people, lets stick one (without the computer inside) on a pad and call it a day!" And they just showed up at E3 with a tablet taped into a hollowed out Gamecube keyboard controller and alternated between it syncing up to a Wii and a 360 behind the curtain.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I guess I'm the only one who doesn't think this thing looks half-bad.

i think it looks good too@!!!!!!!!!2we4434

[Tatsujin]

lol, the Wii-U inspiration:



a selfmade NGC handheld

[roflmao]

Wow, no kidding!

[unclebugspayton]

Whats going to happen when you drop the "controller"?

[Joe Redifer]

What is NGC?  Neo Geo Color?  Oooooo you mean Game Cube! Congrats on not saying GCN.  I hate GCN!  Love the GameCube, though.