Prospect of Making Some OMG RAREZ! Game Boots

[BlackandBlue]

I vote for Space Fantasy Zone, but Ys IV would be pretty badass.

[BlackandBlue]

I vote for Space Fantasy Zone, but Ys IV would be pretty badass. 

Edit: perhaps I should have finished reading all the pages before posting...  oh well.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I don't want to hear annoying whiteman chiptunes full of blurpderping in my Space Fantasy Zone.

Screw Tim Follin.  Leave him in all the other commercial stuff he did.

[nat]

EDIT: also wonder who said no to the bootleg in the poll, share your thoughts.

I voted no. My thoughts are summarized pretty succinctly by the phrasing of the poll option. Frankly, I'm surprised I'm still the only one that voted that way.

I give a pass in the case of Space Fantasy Zone (or anything else that didn't get an official widespread release) however, since that's basically unobtanium otherwise.

But even in the case of SFZ, very nice quality copies exist from Anime4ever. Not at his asking price, but that's a different story.....

It's possible part of it, for me at least, is a holdover from the music scene, where I vehemently oppose bootlegging any commercially available material.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Yknow, Might and Magic 3 seems like a dumb idea all around unless you really want it for Turbob Collecting purposes.

The game exists for PC, easy to obtain, and then you DOSBox.

[thesteve]

as i see it boots discourage production, by diverting funds from rightful mfg.
however making boot of out of production items cant hurt production, because (production/production interest) has ended for the mfg.

[nat]

I agree with this, for the most part. My biggest problem with bootlegging music in particular is that it takes money out of the artists' pockets, and discourages them from creating new music in the future.

Just look at what has happened to the music industry over the past 15 years....

[CrackTiger]

as i see it boots discourage production, by diverting funds from rightful mfg.
however making boot of out of production items cant hurt production, because (production/production interest) has ended for the mfg.

Except that Turbo/PCE games are still currently being sold by the manufacturer in the popular format that music is mostly sold in today.

Yknow, Might and Magic 3 seems like a dumb idea all around unless you really want it for Turbob Collecting purposes.

The game exists for PC, easy to obtain, and then you DOSBox.

All Turbo/PCE games can be easily obtained and played on a computer as well and many can be purchased for Virtual Console, etc.

[DragonmasterDan]

Yknow, Might and Magic 3 seems like a dumb idea all around unless you really want it for Turbob Collecting purposes.

The game exists for PC, easy to obtain, and then you DOSBox.

Well I know someone else mentioned they don't like buying games for other platforms (which I guess PC could count as).
But the same situation exists for Dynastic Hero and Super Air Zonk as well, they can be obtained via the Wii virtual console. All you need is a Wii, an internet connection and some Wii points. It's more or less the same situation for Might and Magic 3 as it is for those two, they're available inexpensively if you have the hardware to play it and want to play it on that hardware, with that said some people on the forum have expressed that they aren't interested in that.

[Arkhan Asylum]

All Turbo/PCE games can be easily obtained and played on a computer as well and many can be purchased for Virtual Console, etc.

Oh, I didn't know every PCE game was ported to DOS.  My bad!     

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I meant this, lol.  The full boxed PC game.  Complete. 

and I meant it mostly for M&M3 only because its not a PCE exclusive and it didn't originate on the PCE either.

and it plays far better on the PC anyways..

I guess I don't see the point in wasting time / resources bootlegging a game like Might and Magic III that was released elsewhere with better packaging and is obtainable... when we have games like Space Fantasy Zone that were never released.

Or PCE/TG exclusives that are retardedly expensive because of the big money gouging pole smokers.  Like Dynastic Hero. 

SFZ seems like the best choice since it would be the PCE community producing a PCE game that was never officially released, and making sure its done right.  If it works, we can always do this again for another game.

If it doesn't work out well enough to encourage another run with another game, it'll be a good thing we did it on a game that counts.

[Senshi]

as i see it boots discourage production, by diverting funds from rightful mfg.
however making boot of out of production items cant hurt production, because (production/production interest) has ended for the mfg.

exactly

[Lum]

Fantasy Star Soldier anyone? Maybe the Ys IV fan translation if that patch is complete enough. I'd like to see more games have competent yet obvious booties. Something readily told from an original, while still blowing away the ugliness of normal burned copies or the kind of crappy bootlegs often associated with Hong Kong/etc pirates.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Im down with bootlegging/pirating/spreading around stuff that is OOP/place that made it is defunct.

If the original crew isn't seeing the $$, I don't care.

Reminds me of the home of the underdogs.  They distribute games that are defunct, but anything thats still commercially available somehow, they wont let you download.

[thesteve]

perfectly stated arc

[Senshi]

I guarantee that anyone who disagrees with having these bootlegs made has them in their collection and wouldn't be so vehemently opposed to if they didn't. For the rest of us who can't pay $400 for Dynastic Hero these days this is great news.

P.S. I've downloaded games on PSN (not sure about VC) but they are emulated badly IMO. Especially the music.

[MotherGunner]

I agree with this, for the most part. My biggest problem with bootlegging music in particular is that it takes money out of the artists' pockets, and discourages them from creating new music in the future.

Just look at what has happened to the music industry over the past 15 years....

Agreed, and I was desperately wanting more K-Fed and Amy Winehouse albums!

Lol jk!

[CrackTiger]

All Turbo/PCE games can be easily obtained and played on a computer as well and many can be purchased for Virtual Console, etc.

Oh, I didn't know every PCE game was ported to DOS.  My bad!     

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I meant this, lol.  The full boxed PC game.  Complete. 

and I meant it mostly for M&M3 only because its not a PCE exclusive and it didn't originate on the PCE either.

and it plays far better on the PC anyways..

I guess I don't see the point in wasting time / resources bootlegging a game like Might and Magic III that was released elsewhere with better packaging and is obtainable... when we have games like Space Fantasy Zone that were never released.

Or PCE/TG exclusives that are retardedly expensive because of the big money gouging pole smokers.  Like Dynastic Hero. 

SFZ seems like the best choice since it would be the PCE community producing a PCE game that was never officially released, and making sure its done right.  If it works, we can always do this again for another game.

If it doesn't work out well enough to encourage another run with another game, it'll be a good thing we did it on a game that counts.

People interested in bootlegs aren't looking to play a version of a game, they want to play the english Turbo version on real hardware.

Dynastic Hero is also available elsewhere, is easily obtainable with better packaging and most people consider the Genesis vetsion to be superior. I agree with you, but other people want these bootlegs for different reasons.

In response to you next post, most of the games we are talking about here are still commercially available. If we were talking about this five+ years ago it would be a different story...

[Arkhan Asylum]

Space Fantasy Zone is unfinished. 

The implications of that one are that we would be "finishing" the game, and then producing it.  Everyone in the PCE community's e-weener would grow by 12" once that happens!

The rest are finished.  Translations aside, obviously.

In a perfect world, we'd have them all.  But we don't.  Choosing wisely is important.

[Arjak]

I'd be so down for bootlegs of translated PCE games! Bring 'em on!

[Senshi]

"People interested in bootlegs aren't looking to play a version of a game, they want to play the english Turbo version on real hardware.

Dynastic Hero is also available elsewhere, is easily obtainable with better packaging and most people consider the Genesis vetsion to be superior. I agree with you, but other people want these bootlegs for different reasons.

In response to you next post, most of the games we are talking about here are still commercially available. If we were talking about this five+ years ago it would be a different story..."



Then i'll send you $12 for the game and shipping and you can send me your copy then download it on your Wii since they are equivalent.

[CrackTiger]

"People interested in bootlegs aren't looking to play a version of a game, they want to play the english Turbo version on real hardware.

Dynastic Hero is also available elsewhere, is easily obtainable with better packaging and most people consider the Genesis vetsion to be superior. I agree with you, but other people want these bootlegs for different reasons.

In response to you next post, most of the games we are talking about here are still commercially available. If we were talking about this five+ years ago it would be a different story..."



Then i'll send you $12 for the game and shipping and you can send me your copy then download it on your Wii since they are equivalent.

I'm still using mine, but here you go-

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.ca/viewitem?itemId=140596696153&index=5&nav=SEARCH&nid=53452638033

If you're talking specifically about Turbo/PCE and not the "elsewhere" Arkan meant (other platforms), which I was responding to, I only have one copy of the PCE version which I play (why pay $300+ for a few lines of text?). But you can probably buy your own copy off of eBay for less than you are offering.

I prefer to play games on real hardware.

[Jesse813]

Dynastic Hero gets my vote though all the games on the list would be great too

[Arkhan Asylum]

I was referring to M&M3.  Taking that example and generalizing it for a game like Dynastic Hero makes no sense.

Everyone knows the PCE one is better. If they disagree, pfsht.  lrn2obey.

[Arjak]

Here is my reason for not wanting to spend a ridiculous amount on M&M3 summed up in one link:

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/might_and_magic_6_limited_edition

Why spend several hundred dollars on one game in the series when you can get the first six, including the one in question for ten bucks!?

It's called logic. It can be a quite helpful concept sometimes.

[jlued686]

Logic is all well and good, and I don't disagree that there are about 5-6 Turbo games (most of them in my sig) that go for ludicrous prices. However, many people (myself included) are trying to have a complete collection of U.S. Turbografx-16/Turbo Duo games. So the fact that I can get the first handful of M&M games for under $10 on a different system is pretty irrelevant.

Anyway, like I said earlier, I would take any one of these games as boots just to have as placeholders until I can either afford the real thing or find the real thing for a somewhat reasonable price. 

[Arjak]

I do understand your viewpoint, jlued, and if it's a complete U.S. collection that you desire, that's different. However, as far as people who just want to play the games, Turbo or not, I believe my option works better in that regard.

I understand the collector's motive; after all, I'm a bit of a collector myself. However, since I am also a gamer, and not enough of a hardcore collector to desire every release ever, I personally prefer the option I gave in my previous post. For me, it's the love of the game that drives me more, not the collector mentality, so I prefer the six-games-for-ten-dollars option. Still, to each their own.

[jlued686]

I getcha. Turbo is the only console that I'm trying to collect for, so it's a bit of a different situation for me. My favorite console, the one I have the most fond memories of, etc. Believe me, if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even consider tracking down some of these games.

[SignOfZeta]

I agree with this, for the most part. My biggest problem with bootlegging music in particular is that it takes money out of the artists' pockets, and discourages them from creating new music in the future.

Just look at what has happened to the music industry over the past 15 years....

I'm actually mostly very happy with what has happened with music in the last 15 years. It's much less top down that it was during the 20th century. There will never be a other Black Album...but so what? The Black Album not only sucked, but it's massive success destroyed a band that seemed to be the most promising metal act of all time.

The budgets record companies have to devote to making multi-millionare superstars out of talentless shitheads are almost gone. The music itself is at least as good as it's ever been. If you can't find the great music that's coming out almost every day then...you need to look harder. (Pro tip: it isn't on TV or the radio).

The idea that good music can't be made without massive record companies (that were only passing down %2 in royalties to  the actual artists) is preposterous. Its also insulting to the many great musicians who put out music independently of that system.

None of this has anything to do with games though since games, especially modern high end ones, are almost impossible to self publish. You can't make Madden 2012 in a garage.

Someday you have to let go. A picture of the Mona Lisa can be easily found on the Internet for zero charge. I'm sure someone thinks that's taking money out of someones pocket, but...tough shit.

[thesteve]

too true zeta.
most of what i have sought in music in the last several years is low/no budget produced at home with your comp.
the industry left the people, not the other way around by pushing drugs/gang/killing music <--I use the term loosely. while ignoring what we want to hear.

[Bernie]

I was referring to M&M3.  Taking that example and generalizing it for a game like Dynastic Hero makes no sense.

Everyone knows the PCE one is better. If they disagree, pfsht.  lrn2obey.

I have to agree.  I have played 3 different ports of M&M III.  The PC, Super NES, and Turbo Duo.  I felt that the Duo version was by far the best.  The games arent exactly the same either.  There are slight differences, such as the ability to have hirelings in your party, ect..  Graphics for the Duo version were, IMO, better as well. Too bad it wont be seeing a bootleg release.  Hell, maybe it will some day.  Its actually something I would consider looking into if I knew how to go about it.

[SignOfZeta]

too true zeta.
most of what i have sought in music in the last several years is low/no budget produced at home with your comp.
the industry left the people, not the other way around by pushing drugs/gang/killing music <--I use the term loosely. while ignoring what we want to hear.

Well, a couple of things happened.

First off, it wasn't until the mid-20th century that people actually started buying into the idea that rock and roll bands should be richer than God. The best guitar player on Earth in 1650 was probably living off whatever sort of monitory donation could fit into his hat. Despite this, music was probably even more valuable to people back then. Therefore, I consider the whole concept of music being highly profitable, or maybe even sustainable as a full time job, to be a historical aberration. If Aesop Rock can hold a day job then shitheads like Jay Z sure as hell better be able to.

Then there is the act of recording itself that has changed. In 1970 you actually did need full time engineers and expensive studios and such to make something like Sgt Pepper. Nowadays...not so much. What can be done at home on $5000 worth of gear is incredible. "Studio time" was once a huge thing, largely in the hands of labels, now its barely even relevant.

Another thing: there is more dumb shit to spend your money on. The service plan for an iPhone is $100 a month. That's money that would have gone towards music in the old days. Then we have Gameboy, cable TV, video games, etc...there is only so much money to go around, and the other stuff evidently seems more worth paying for these days.

Another huge factor was the ever increasing drive of corporate greed. In 1980, when I was a little kid first building by collection of singles, labels would actually market singles, and singles themselves made money. By the 90s singles were greatly de-de-emphesized. Some bands can make a great single and disappear forever (see: most of the Motown roster) some excel at albums (Genesis, Pink Floyd, Weird All), and both sorts of acts have their place in the world. The labels just wanted to sell albums though since that meant more revenue. By making singles almost totally unavailable they would force you to buy the entire album. If this was an album from The Cure that's not such a bad thing. If this is an album from Jennifer Lopez...you just paid $16 for 14 songs you hate and one you like. The push to fill all 80 minutes of a CD didn't help either. That's asking a LOT from even the best performers. All that filler may make the album seem like a better deal, but Unknown Pleasures is only 39:24 and every year a new batch of teenagers discover how great this record is.

So into this clusterfuck enters Napster, or Kazaa, or Bit Torrent, or whatever, and the labels are instantly fucked. The majors weren't making this music available to us, they were holding it ransom. If a 13 year old has a choice between spending his month's free money on a Smashmouth CD that he only wants because of one song, and downloading it for free and spending that money to see whatever shitty Disney Movie features that song, then the choice is clear. If the label wanted that money, they should have sold him just the song he wanted for $4.

Now with iTunes we can (usually) buy the songs one at a time, but the problem is that the bands the labels have been promoting the most heavily for the past 20 years are singles acts. They keep selling old Beatles songs because they have no idea who the next Beatles are, and they don't want to spend the money and time finding them or the culture to support them. They've turned music into such a low buck commodity there is no wonder people don't want to pay for it.

[SignOfZeta]

I was referring to M&M3.  Taking that example and generalizing it for a game like Dynastic Hero makes no sense.

Everyone knows the PCE one is better. If they disagree, pfsht.  lrn2obey.

I have to agree.  I have played 3 different ports of M&M III.  The PC, Super NES, and Turbo Duo.  I felt that the Duo version was by far the best.  The games arent exactly the same either.  There are slight differences, such as the ability to have hirelings in your party, ect..  Graphics for the Duo version were, IMO, better as well. Too bad it wont be seeing a bootleg release.  Hell, maybe it will some day.  Its actually something I would consider looking into if I knew how to go about it. 

I can't understand why anyone would spend money on a fake thing like this. The only reason M&M3 is so desirable is because its OMG R@RE. If you actually just want to play it, burn a copy. A high end fake version of something makes no sense.

[Arkhan Asylum]

You could make madden in a garage.  That game blows.

[thesteve]

you could have designed the apple computer in one too

[SignOfZeta]

You could make madden in a garage.  That game blows.

The legal team needed to make Madden wouldn't fit in a garage.

I dont like Madden, I absolutely hate football, but millions of man hours go into that POS series. Way more than have ever gone into any rock album (except Chinese Democracy, of course).

[Arkhan Asylum]

you could have designed the apple computer in one too

as long as you have enough acid.

[Arjak]

you could have designed the apple computer in one too

as long as you have enough acid.

"Ohhhh, it's a field of WHEAT! Oh! Oh! And I can hear classical music playing! Can you hear it? I'M CONDUCTING CLASSICAL MUSIC!"

Yes, that quote IS related to the above quotes. The first person to figure it out gets an internet cookie.

[Arkhan Asylum]

PIRATES OF THE SILICON VALLEY.

[Arkhan Asylum]

GIVE ME MY COOKIE, BEOTCH.

[Arjak]

That's correct, Arkhan! Sorry about the wait!

*Gives Arkhan a cookie*

[Arkhan Asylum]

mmmmmmmmmmmm tastes liek SUCESSS

[Chuplayer]

I would 100% support Ys IV bootlegs if they're fully translated.

[Dyna138]

I'd totally love a Ys IV translated version. I'd also buy one of each of these if it would help fund the project.

[Windy]

Dynastic hero is catching up

[Mishran]

Can't let this thread be forgotten. With the English dub of Drac x available now, it would currently be worthy of a pressed disc in my eyes.

[T2KFreeker]

Can't let this thread be forgotten. With the English dub of Drac x available now, it would currently be worthy of a pressed disc in my eyes.

Well, I'd be for Dracula X for sure in English. Would be cool for Dynastic Hero and Beyond Shadowgate as well.

[Flare65]

I'd be interested in an English copy of Drac X as well.

[Keith Courage]

Dracula X English has my vote.

[SignOfZeta]

Now that the fully translated Drac X exists, I consider it the most suitable candidate for this project by a huge margin.

[CrackTiger]

I agree, Dracula X all the way.