Magical Chase Waiting List

[jayamine]

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/main/dls/autograph-02.jpg
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/main/dls/autograph-01.jpg

Me here on pcengine-fx.com back in 2001

[jayamine]

I also wrote that article back in Aug 2006 of games we'd all like to see on Wii's VC. Apparently my work embarrassed Nanto, and Zeta and several others made fun of me and I ran off crying for 5 years. Are we good now?

[jayamine]

(And if you make fun of me too much now ... I might just run off crying again ... so keep that in mind)

[Bernie]

They may make fun of you for not editing your posts, and posting back to back.  lol. 

[nectarsis]

....why so defensive?  I didn't see anyone call you out as NOOB WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?!?!?!

P.S.  Those 2 links are just pics...not sure what you mean to "prove" with that...

[jayamine]

Ok see ... now you're making fun of me again ... (hang on while I get my baby bottle) .... OK! Those are pics I submitted to this website from my personal collection in 2001: My Ys I & II signed by Michael Bell (Dark Fact) and My CF2 signed by Ireland.

[jayamine]

*suck suck suck* waaahhhh .... my milk is cold.

[Bernie]

*suck suck suck* waaahhhh .... my milk is cold.

[jayamine]

All right, I'll stop now. ;-) Let me go get Steve's email. BRB

[jayamine]

And yes, sadly whatever inventory TZD did not purchase was destroyed. BLANK  was in charge of all things inventory . BLANK had to take hundreds of pictures of the actual destruction. D-9 tractors dragged pallets out of 18 semi's, then spent the day driving back and forth over the inventory in a concrete pit. BLANK said it was the most depressing day of BLANK's career.

[jayamine]

None of that inventory went anywhere. We had forensic accountants and lawyers watching us at every turn. Everything was destroyed. I was there at the NEC warehouse the next day. I found a cage where they stored returns from Toys R Us and Best Buy etc, and found nearly 100 TV tuners and boxes of returns that I had to take to hide from the accountants. We had told them everything was destroyed. Luckily I had a big trunk! That's why we sold the tuners as reconditioned. Toys R Us had taken them in and returned them as they were wont to do.

[nectarsis]

Ok see ... now you're making fun of me again ... (hang on while I get my baby bottle) .... OK! Those are pics I submitted to this website from my personal collection in 2001: My Ys I & II signed by Michael Bell (Dark Fact) and My CF2 signed by Ireland.

Attempt at lulz?

[TheClash603]

I noticed this thread had gotten substantially longer very quickly...  only to see that the same person posted as many as 5 times in a row in some cases.

Joe, I think it is great if you have a true source of print runs and maybe some information about games that were destroyed, but perhaps you should just gather your facts and then present it in one informative post?  Not trying to be rude, but the multiple mini-posts are just getting kind of annoying, which might take away from the gratitude people would have if you presented this more appropriately...   just my opinion.

[jayamine]

Yes, I was attempting to put out my own flame. I shouldn't have gotten so hot under the collar when you called me "newer" the other day.

[jayamine]

Clash, I know. My brother complains to me about the same thing. It's just that I always think of something else I meant to say/add AFTER I hit "post." Anyway, will post more info on release dates and quantity numbers as I receive it. (Always have to double check what I am allowed to post)

And yes, those two user submitted autographs from 2001 are mine. Still have them to this day.

[Bernie]

Clash, I know. My brother complains to me about the same thing. It's just that I always think of something else I meant to say/add AFTER I hit "post." Anyway, will post more info on release dates and quantity numbers as I receive it. (Always have to double check what I am allowed to post)

And yes, those two user submitted autographs from 2001 are mine. Still have them to this day.

Just edit your original post rather than posting back to back. 

[VestCunt]

In this case though we're talking what, between 10-20 YEARS, and a lot of is prob based off of memories.  Not saying that anyone would lie, but seriously you can remember exact totals, or have documentation from that long ago?  Besides basing everything off of ONE person (possibly fallible/doesn't remember correctly, etc)...no matter who it is, is dubious as it is.    

God, I feel like I'm shouting at a brick wall.  Do you and Hegelson and BT just have some kind of authority complex?  Are you contrarians?  Is it just that you can't stand the thought of other people knowing things that you don't or presenting new information that conflicts with your little window of reality?  

Yes, I willing to rest the crux of my argument on one person.  That one person just so happens to be the most credible source to ever give two shits about the Turbo scene.  And he probably remembered those exact numbers because it was his business to know.  And he was shelling out $500,000 that day.  And he has paper records.

I'm not doing myself or anyone else (beside speculator scum) a favor by arguing MC's rarity.  I'm doing it because it's the only logical conclusion.  If you want to argue, fine, but how about finding your own sources and facts and making some actual claims rather than just throwing up your arms and saying, "Oh fuck this! How do we know if it's true?  We don't know anything! WHAAA!"

Who's to say that just as many copies of  OoTG weren't lost destroyed (which in all honestly prob sold worse than MC, or DD, etc.)

I've said this five goddamn times, but I'll say it once more just for you.  I won't even use the word "penultimate" in case that's confusing people.  There's a BIG difference between MC and OotG:  MC WAS THE SECOND-TO-LAST TURBOCHIP!  OotG shipped in 1992, the year of the Duo's launch, Air Zonk, and the last big advertising push.  It had a huge window of escape to get the fuck out of the warehouse and move some units before the bulldozers came.  As far as we know, Darkwing, Tonma, World Sports, and Bomberman had smaller windows, being released in January, February, and March of 1993.  Still, they had a headstart on MC, which was released in July 1993.  The only cartridge to come after it was Bonk 3 in August.  Battle Load Runner was due in October and we know what happened to that.  

Sure, maybe OotG and MC initially had the same print run.  I'll buy it.  You're welcome to sit on your thumbs speculating about each games' popularity and the possibility of Toy's R Us sending leftover stock back until the cows come home....BUT, if you honestly believe that there are fewer copies of OotG out there than MC, you're an idiot.

Trust your bullshit detector.  This story had the mark of truth back when geepee16 told it in 2008 and was shouted down by helgson.  There's no reason to doubt Garwood unless you have evidence to trump it.

[TheClash603]

Battle Load Runner was due in October and we know what happened to that. 

I am going to assume that this game was cancelled, without any move toward actual production...  but I'll admit I don't "know" what happened to "Battle Load Runner."  If my assumption is wrong, I'd love to hear a story or see a link to some info.  I loved Lode Runner.

[nat]

It was finished, and ready to go, but never went to press.

It was eventually released, in finalized form, on the VC some 13-15 years later.

[jayamine]

*awkward silence*

I agree with you vestcunt (MC probably IS rarer than Griffon), but on the flip side there were ONLY 500 copies of say Dynastic ever made PERIOD. There were 1600 copies of MC destroyed, 100 saved by TZD plus who knows how many on retail shelves. Maybe there were 3000 copies of MC made and 3000 of Griffon. I could ask how many Griffons were destroyed that day, but there's so many other variables. How many were shipped to retailers, how many have been lost over time, etc?

Steve commented that it was interesting that the rarest games have not necessarily become the ones commanding the highest price.  (Terraforming is rare, but he commented how hard it was to move that particular title)

But yes, I too think that MC is probably a bit more scarce than Griffon.

Also Vestcunt, where are you getting your release dates from? Would love to see the date list from 1993.

Yes, thanks to Bernie, I have now discovered the beauty of the "modify" button. TY too Nectarsis :-D

[nectarsis]

Clash, I know. My brother complains to me about the same thing. It's just that I always think of something else I meant to say/add AFTER I hit "post." Anyway, will post more info on release dates and quantity numbers as I receive it. (Always have to double check what I am allowed to post)

And yes, those two user submitted autographs from 2001 are mine. Still have them to this day.

There is a Modify button (edit) top right of your post...

[VestCunt]

I agree with you VestCunt (MC probably IS rarer than Griffon), but on the flip side there were ONLY 500 copies of say Dynastic ever made PERIOD.

I'm just talking about Turbochips.  DH might be rarer.  I'd guess that MC got snapped up faster because it's playable on any U.S. hardware.  The hardware requirements for SCD games were a big impediment for a lot of people.

Also Vestcoat, where are you getting your release dates from? Would love to see the date list from 1993.

I'll post some scans.

[nectarsis]

In this case though we're talking what, between 10-20 YEARS, and a lot of is prob based off of memories.  Not saying that anyone would lie, but seriously you can remember exact totals, or have documentation from that long ago?  Besides basing everything off of ONE person (possibly fallible/doesn't remember correctly, etc)...no matter who it is, is dubious as it is.  

God, I feel like I'm shouting at a brick wall.  Do you and Hegelson and BT just have some kind of authority complex?  Are you contrarians?  Is it just that you can't stand the thought of other people knowing things that you don't or presenting new information that conflicts with your little window of reality?  

Yes, I willing to rest the crux of my argument on one person.  That one person just so happens to be the most credible source to ever give two shits about the Turbo scene.  And he probably remembered those exact numbers because it was his business to know.  And he was shelling out $500,000 that day.  And he has paper records.

I'm not doing myself or anyone else (beside speculator scum) a favor by arguing MC's rarity.  I'm doing it because it's the only logical conclusion.  If you want to argue, fine, but how about finding your own sources and facts and making some actual claims rather than just throwing up your arms and saying, "Oh fuck this! How do we know if it's true?  We don't know anything! WHAAA!"

Who's to say that just as many copies of  OoTG weren't lost destroyed (which in all honestly prob sold worse than MC, or DD, etc.)

I've said this five goddamn times, but I'll say it once more just for you.  I won't even use the word "penultimate" in case that's confusing people.  There's a BIG difference between MC and OotG:  MC WAS THE SECOND-TO-LAST TURBOCHIP!  OotG shipped in 1992, the year of the Duo's launch, Air Zonk, and the last big advertising push.  It had a huge window of escape to get the fuck out of the warehouse and move some units before the bulldozers came.  As far as we know, Darkwing, Tonma, World Sports, and Bomberman had smaller windows, being released in January, February, and March of 1993.  Still, they had a headstart on MC, which was released in July 1993.  The only cartridge to come after it was Bonk 3 in August.  Battle Load Runner was due in October and we know what happened to that.  

Sure, maybe OotG and MC initially had the same print run.  I'll buy it.  You're welcome to sit on your thumbs speculating about each games' popularity and the possibility of Toy's R Us sending leftover stock back until the cows come home....BUT, if you honestly believe that there are fewer copies of OotG out there than MC, you're an idiot.

Trust your bullshit detector.  This story had the mark of truth back when geepee16 told it in 2008 and was shouted down by helgson.  There's no reason to doubt Garwood unless you have evidence to trump it.

Do you have to be a condescending ass to someone with a differing opinion?


You are the one that seems to have an issue with anyone that has a POSSIBLE idea that "conflicts with your little window of reality."   I'm all for if what's ststaed is exactly right...then we know.  Not entertaining other POSSIBILITIES is narrow minded, and a foolhardy way to get the truth.   Get back to me when everything you stated is set in stone without all the FACTS (you must be REALLY good to know them all when they haven't even been laid out).

Frankly I made solid points (even backed up as some is from memory).  If you want to take a single persons word, have at it...I have seen no PROOF (one persons word without anything to back it up is hearsay, like it or not).  Hell in this case it's second hand info....not that anyone's lying, but as much as someones "the most credible source to ever give two shits about the Turbo scene" (which could be alos it was just as much a business/ to make $ decision for them just as much as anything else), no ONE person is THE HEART AND SOUL/END ALL BE ALL OF ALL THAT IS TURBOB!!!

The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.

As for the OotG argument you keep flailing on about...so it had longer to sell thru...a VERY niche game on a small selling system....yep I'll bet those FLEW off the shelf.  If they were still "shelf warmers at the end, they could have easily been a large # in the "smash at the end" deal.    I never said their were fewer copies, but that there could be VERY SIMILAR...you don't know...they could have destroyed 2,000 MC's, and 3,000 Ootg's (so in theory it IS possible there's more MC's than Ootg's...likely no, possible, yes).

While I find the whole deal of printruns, what happened at the end of life of the system as actually interesting, I learned years ago that one person's word (no matter who) CAN be fallible, mistakes made, wrong #'s stated, etc (does he have these records right in fromt of him or is he basing it off figures from a business deal when many of us were still in high school?).  If you can remember exact figures from that long ago...good for you, many wouldn't.

(I'll post in caps so you can follow)   I NEVER SAID ANYTHING STATED IS FALSE/LIES...but if there is irrefutable proof it would be interesting to see.

For someone that has some sad boner to slamming Mike "shouting this down"...when your post here is just as assinine, and insulting as anything you go on and on about Helgeson posting....irony much?   Take 2 steps back from the keyboard if you get THIS damn worked up over this...it's NOT that serious is it?


Also jayamine's post above states there are variables (none of us know)...so you can run around screaming anyone that disagrees is an idiot...yet you DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAILS....so your "facts"= theory at this point. ;)

[jayamine]

One thing Nectarsis ... 1600 copies of MC were destroyed, not 2000. That was the official stock inventory recorded that day (Bulldozer Day). That number comes literally from an actual piece of official physical paper that has been saved from TTI's office back in 1993. Human eyes looked at that actual piece of official paper last night to get that number. And with forensic lawyers and accountants all over the place that day, I'm confident those documents are accurate.

Now yes, beyond that .. tons of variables. Just saying that's not one of them.

[CrackTiger]

I think that VestCunt's theories are as plausible as anyone else's. But that's all that we're going on here. For whatever small amount of data that is being suggested by people who only had some of the facts, we can spin it any which way, but in the end it's all just speculation.

Magic Chase was a very desirable game with trendy aesthetic and gameplay. OotG was commercial cancer by design. Going by speculation, it's logical to assume that Magical Chase may gave shipped more copies in any time frame than several other Turbo duds. It also makes sense that it would be much more desirable for buyers of the NOS and employees who carted out everything they could carry would all choose MC over so many other games.

In the end though, we don't know. The bulldozing story supports both extremes of there being more or less copies if MC than some other games.

jayamine's impression that MC was never sold at retail was as valid as any until people with first hand knowledge that it was spoke up. What if no one in this forum ever saw MC at retail? Wouldn't this thread then assume that it was mail order only? I only ever saw OotG for rent in a store that imported American Turbo games. Maybe it was never sold in Canada? Maybe, unlike MC it was mail order only?

I think that the fact that MC made it to the bottom of the Alaskan panhandle in a small Canadian town with a population of 10000 is a strong sign that it got substantial distribution for however long of a window.

One thing Nectarsis ... 1600 copies of MC were destroyed, not 2000. That was the official stock inventory recorded that day (Bulldozer Day). That number comes literally from an actual piece of official physical paper that has been saved from TTI's office back in 1993. Human eyes looked at that actual piece of official paper last night to get that number. And with forensic lawyers and accountants all over the place that day, I'm confident those documents are accurate.

Now yes, beyond that .. tons of variables. Just saying that's not one of them.

I don't doubt that that document exists, but those weren't clasdified documents being destroyed, they were video games which are liquid cash. If they were only being destroyed to make them disappear and weren't a safety risk to the public or anything, after every other person with knowledge of their existence had grabbed what they could, who knows how many friends and family were called by the people there that day to walk off with whatever they wanted?

[VestCunt]

The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.

BT = Black Tiger.  BT Garner has never weighed in on this subject.

You can doubt everything you want.  If you have other theories, get back to me when you can point to some release dates or industry sources.

EDIT:  Garwood is an industry source.  Read Nanto's interview with him - he worked for TTI.  Until one of his colleagues steps in with a conflicting story, Garwood is the best source we have.

[CrackTiger]

The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam BT who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.

BT = Black Tiger.  BT Garner has never weighed in on this subject.

You can doubt everything you want.  If you have other theories, get back to me when you can point to some release dates or industry sources.

Yes, I have only worked on one game, not plural.

[SignOfZeta]

Considering there are only 500 each of most of those games in existence minus however many have been lost over the decades (in English), I think an unofficial second print would be great. Run them on a press. Make them indistinguishable except for a clear and unmoveable "SECOND PRINT" notation  on the disc and in the instructions.

Nooooooooo. The phrase "second print" implies that it's somehow legit. Any high quality bootleg with these words on it is going to eventually be sold on eBay for $1000 with all sorts of bullshit stories floating around explaining the origin. The Sapphire boots were often described as "second print" and there are STILL people who debate who actually made them.

Retaining most the aspects of the original is fine, but I would remove all claims of copyright and trademarks and make every page of the manual, the cover, the back insert, and the game itself instantly identifiable as fake. Change the color of the logo, mis-spell something (once very popular with UK and Chinese bootleggers), put "Roy Vegas Sucks" on it somewhere, whatever. Just don't say "Second Print". Actual second printings can only come from the original sources. Plenty of TG/PCE stuff actually does have second runs (third, forth, whatever) and it isn't even labeled as such.

[VestCunt]

Here are the scans in a new thread.
Of course, these were upcoming release dates and we know that some of the games were changed or canceled, but I've yet to see a better source of dates for these titles.

[SignOfZeta]

I also wrote that article back in Aug 2006 of games we'd all like to see on Wii's VC. Apparently my work embarrassed Nanto, and Zeta and several others made fun of me and I ran off crying for 5 years. Are we good now?

Oooh, that sounds funny. Do you have a link to that thread?

[nectarsis]

The fact that you equate someone who ran a business that effectively "extended the legacy of the system" as some savior of the Turbob, than slam CrackTiger who MADE GAMES FOR THE SAME SYSTEM (hmmm would that be continuing/supporting a system legacy) seems contadictary.

BT = CrackTiger.  BT Garner has never weighed in on this subject.

You can doubt everything you want.  If you have other theories, get back to me when you can point to some release dates or industry sources.

LMAO keep acting like you have the inside track man....you are throwing theories/best guesses just as much as any of us.  The BIG difference is...I could give 2 shits who's "right"...unlike you that has some grade school obsession of "showing the rest of us up" (some of us like to LEARN vs being an I told you so type).   The info intrigues me....not your attempts at superiority or you ignoring what others respond...as long as you "shout others down" as you like to bitch about others doing ;)

[VestCunt]

LMAO keep acting like you have the inside track man....you are throwing theories/best guesses just as much as any of us.  The BIG difference is...I could give 2 shits who's "right"...unlike you that has some grade school obsession of "showing the rest of us up" (some of us like to LEARN vs being an I told you so type).   The info intrigues me....not your attempts at superiority or you ignoring what others respond...as long as you "shout others down" as you like to bitch about others doing ;)

It's true - after I make statements I like to write a little follow-up sentence pointing to crap I've seen on the internet that supports my claims.  Sorry if that makes you feel inferior.  They can tell you how to do it in English 1 at your local community college.

[nectarsis]

LMAO keep acting like you have the inside track man....you are throwing theories/best guesses just as much as any of us.  The BIG difference is...I could give 2 shits who's "right"...unlike you that has some grade school obsession of "showing the rest of us up" (some of us like to LEARN vs being an I told you so type).   The info intrigues me....not your attempts at superiority or you ignoring what others respond...as long as you "shout others down" as you like to bitch about others doing ;)

It's true - after I make statements I like to write a little follow-up sentence pointing to crap I've seen on the internet that supports my claims.  Sorry if that makes you feel inferior.  They can tell you how to do it in English 1 at your local community college.

Yep your superiority complex is set to FULL DOUCHE!!  Glad you think you're so special, and better than the rest of us "idiots."  You are FAR from making me feel inferior, I just pity you pathetic keyboard warrior "smarter than all" BS.

[jayamine]

Ok, so the reason I thought MC was mail order only is because THATS WHAT IT SAYS ON THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HE GAME! Sniffle, I feel stooopid! But there were lots of late gen Duo games that were in fact  mail order only. Also on WIki and gamefaqs, they list the release date of the game as a lot later then you guys says. Lastly, that's how I got all Radio Shack Turbo games, they ordered them for me ... never saw them carry any in store, but then I didn't buy Duo games before Xmas 92. And that's KINDA how I got my Beyond Shdaowgate. One EB had to get it from another EB out of state ...

Steve was pretty candid about lawyers being all over the place to make sure no "destroyed" copies slipped out. And howare oeple going to get those games AFTER they've been cushed buy a steam roller and smothered under dried concrete? Possible? Yes. ALso possible that an elephant can hang from a cliff with its tail tied to a daisy :-D (TY Oliver Stone!) Look at the part where he talks about smuggling the TV Tuner accidentally the very next day. I'm officially siding with "1600 copies destroyed" even though there's a once percent chance I'm wrong (kind of like debating the validity of those second print sapphires). Now, sure .. maybe the real physical number was 1598 or 1602 or something like that, BUT that's still pretty close.

Vestcunt, what magazine are those scans from? Steve seems to think MAYBE he has some official street date info, so fingers crossed as I hold my breath. We all know (at the very least) that several Duo titles were delayed, specifically the ones that had "Working" Delays written on them :-D

Zeta, I'll go find the link and send it to you. I found the article from 2006 I wrote last year, but it seems to have finally been removed (maybe for the best, for shame me) recently. I can at least find the thread when I am shredded. Speaking of which, I never did publish any video game journalism, but I've since published in several literary journals and presented at several academic conferences (almost wish it was the other way around)

Zeta, I also like your idea about removing fine print copyright info. If reprints were made, I'd want them to be the same to the naked eye, but something like that (obvious but requiring a magnifying glass) would be perfect.

Black TIger, what game did you work on? Or am I confusing info on the threads here?

Moderators - Can we get someone in to calm down the feud I've inadvertently started? I apologize for my role in fueling these barbed words.

More info from Steve as I receive it. Oh and please don't go flooding the man's email box! He's been really nice with the info so far. I don't want to go upsetting him.

[VestCunt]

Vestcoat, what magazine are those scans from? Steve seems to think MAYBE he has some official street date info, so fingers crossed as I hold my breath. We all know (at the very least) that several Duo titles were delayed, specifically the ones that had "Working" Delays written on them :-D

Those scans are the whole shabang, cover to cover.  The 1993 Club Duo catalog was a mailing I received.  BT apparently found one at his local Radio Shack. 

[nat]

Moderators - Can we get someone in to calm down the feud I've inadvertently started? I apologize for my role in fueling these barbed words.

My eye is on it.

When things cross the threshold from entertaining to inappropriate, I'll step in.

[nectarsis]

Ok, so the reason I thought MC was mail order only is because THATS WHAT IT SAYS ON THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE ABOUT HE GAME! Sniffle, I feel stooopid!

Please tell me the Wiki part is in jest ;)

[TheClash603]

Whenever a game is mentioned on this site, it seems that someone will say they bought it in a store at some point.  Just based on conversations on this website, I don't think that I heard of any games which were mail order only.

...but what do I know?

[jayamine]

Garwood mentioned that he bought the entire stock of several SCDs (M&M3, Godzilla, Super Zonk, Bonk 3, etc). If they popped up in stores, he was the distributor at that point, not NEC or TTI.

I never saw Exile 2 in stores. That one I had to get straight from WD. Come to think of it, the last ones I actually got in stores were Lords of Thunder, Dragon Slayer, and Beyond Shadowgate (and I had to have all 3 sent from other stores). Picked up Neutopia and Monster Lair via Toys R Us Clearance, but those were earlier titles. (There were only two places in Roanoke to get TG games anyway, Babbage's and TRU ... and once I saw some Power Golfs at Montgomery Ward ... but that's it)

[esteban]

jayamine, the info you are sharing with us is very interesting and has certainly stimulated the passions of some folks

thank you.

[Sadler]

jayamine, the info you are sharing with us is very interesting and has certainly stimulated the passions of some folks

thank you.

Completely agreed. Thank you jayamine!

[SMF]

jayamine, the info you are sharing with us is very interesting and has certainly stimulated the passions of some folks

thank you.

Completely agreed. Thank you jayamine!

Yes it is a very informative read. Thanks

[SignOfZeta]

Exile 2 was definitely in stores. I bought it at EB and owned it for years before selling it to somebody for the same as I payed for it.

Even the super late games like Godzilla could still be had from places like Diehard although I don't think any major chain, TRU, EB, whatever had anythjng left on their shelves that wasnt heavily clearenced by then. EB in my town had gotten rid of every last thing by that point, either condensing stock in the more TG-friendly stores or sending it to TTI, I dont know.

I don't specifically remember Dynastic Hero, but I don't see why it would be special.

[Bernie]

Yeah, Exile 2 was certainly in stores.  I bought mine new from EB back then. 

[jayamine]

How about this? Sign here if you bought any of the following at a retail outlet: M&M3, Super Zonk, Bonk 3 CD, Godzilla, Dynastic.

[CrackTiger]

Garwood mentioned that he bought the entire stock of several SCDs (M&M3, Godzilla, Super Zonk, Bonk 3, etc). If they popped up in stores, he was the distributor at that point, not NEC or TTI.

What did he define as "at that point"? While TTi was still in business and before they had the chance to sell any of those titles to distributors themselves?

[jayamine]

No, I recall 500 units each of those last five titles was the correct manufacturing quantity. Making those the rarest games made. Funny, that's not how they've been valued in the collector market.

The above is a quotation. The five titles in reference are : Bonk 3CD, Super Zonk, Dynastic, M&M3, and Godzilla. Here's more.

Anyway, I looked at it and it showed 500 each were made of Dynastic Hero, Bonk CD, Might & Magic III, Super Air Zonk and Godzilla. All of which we bought for $xx.xx each! Come to think of it, we had to release those. TTi did not.

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I'm assuming the items were all manufactured before bulldozer day and releases dates were staggered artificially to prolong the dwindling lifespan.

[nat]

500 units is an extremely low print run for a video game. I had always been under the impression the lowest print run on a Turbo game was 1500 units which is, still, quite low.

Either way, it makes perfect sense those five games are technically the "rarest" of the bunch: you don't see copies of Godzilla or Bonk 3 CD up for sale nearly as often as you see copies of, say, Magical Chase.

[esteban]

500 units is an extremely low print run for a video game. I had always been under the impression the lowest print run on a Turbo game was 1500 units which is, still, quite low.

Either way, it makes perfect sense those five games are technically the "rarest" of the bunch: you don't see copies of Godzilla or Bonk 3 CD up for sale nearly as often as you see copies of, say, Magical Chase.

Hahahahahhahaha.

[jayamine]

:-D