Would you rather have a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Similar to Sadlers LA/LT poll: assuming you already have a Duo or whatever to OBEY with, would you rather add a SuperGrafx or a PC-FX to the collection?  My vote is (and was) for the PC-FX and its larger library of games.

[CrackTiger]

Although the PC-FX has a better library, I know from experience owning both and PCE systems and games, that I've played my SuperGrafx more than my PC-FX, even with an iso collection of PC-FX games. If I had to give one up, the PC-FX would go first as it doesn't feel as cool or as much a part of the PCE as the SuperGrafx does. Even with multiple CD setups, it would be cool to get a Super CD2 for my SuperGrafx.

So I'd rather have a SuperGrafx, but objectively the PC-FX is much better and there is no comparison really.

I like the PC-FX and think it's great, but I'd also rather have a 32X first. But that ties into my love of the Genesis, just as I like the SGX because of the PCE.

[Frank_fjs]

SuperGrafx for me, for similar reasons sited above. I.e. even though the PC-FX has a larger games library, I would seldom play any of them, and despite already owning a PCE Huey/CD setup, if I had a SuperGrafx this would become my main PCE gaming station.

[Nando]

PC-FX if I were to go for a "history off" type collection. It was the true next (and last) step of the brand.

SuperGrafx just cause I like DaiMakaimura and Madou OUUUUuu GranSNORT and it looks like H.R. Giger designed it. Novelty item basically.

[fraggore]

SuperGrafx to be honest got a pc-fx here and apart form 3 games don't play it and those games ain't nothing worth owning the machine for shame.

its a cool looking machine on my desk tho but the supergrafx thing looks cooler.

[xcrement5x]

PC-FX.  Been trying to find one for awhile at non-rape prices but the rape just keeps showing up where ever I go...

[Nando]

PC-FX.  Been trying to find one for awhile at non-rape prices but the rape just keeps showing up where ever I go...

Have you talked to Beemer?

[RegalSin]

PC-FX if it could run windows 3.1/9x utility programs at least, The PC-FX seems like a such a waste for a system. It is like a minurature monument, to a series of comic adventures, that at one time, people would buy in the millions. I miss those days, when we would go threw questions and tasks, just to get her naked, and into her. However I am part of virtual abusive crybabies.

The PC-FX also can be installed, into a DOS machine or even any "PC" related machine. That being said with all the emulators out their, NEC pretty much just destroyed their chances at having any future in the primary console race. Like the so many arcades filled with card games, in Japan, of forgotten youth love ( back in 1995, taking a girl to the arcades was a cool spot to chil ) NEC built the original PCE so god damn perfect, it lasted into 1996......I mean shit, what a way to go.

I do not even know what NEC was sniffing when they decided to combine the PCE
and CD unit into one system, make a new system based of the Turbografx design, along with simular name, and then make a mini-PC system and dedicate it. comic adventures but dating games. Then SEGA comes along and, decides to give NEC the chance to intergrate into the Dreamcast.

Just looking at the forum, title bar, makes you think "dammit they just released a game system, that is disguised as a computer" NEC just did the PCE backwards when they did the PC-FX. Then they have specific rules for what could and could not be on the system? FEOEIII was canned and was released as FEOEIV instead.

When you think about it, the PCE is really just a computer disguised as a game system.

[roflmao]

I went with the Supergrafx as well.  As much as I covet the PC-FX, it seems there aren't too many non-moonspeak friendly games for the system.  The Supergrafx has 1941, Aldynes and Daimakamukypookee, which I'd play.

[CrackTiger]

Backwards compatibiliy keeps systems like SuperGrafx and the 32X hooked up longer and more often. Having to drag out a PC-FX and other systems I don't play as often helps keep their use as infrequent.

[SignOfZeta]

As much as I shit on the FX (which is just like shitting on a big pile of shit that already has too much shit on it) it's pathetic library is slightly more likely to be played than that of the SGX.

The SGX would get played MORE, sure, but %99.9 of the time it's being played it would be running non-SGX software that I can already run without it.

[Sadler]

I don't really know the FX library, but from what I've seen there's maybe 3 games that I'd enjoy on it. Despite having only 5 "true" titles, I think the Supergrafx library has more games that I'd enjoy. Either way, I have a Supergrafx and no FX, so I guess that answers the question. I would like to get an FX eventually though.

[Mishran]

I have a Supergrafx and no FX, so I guess that answers the question. I would like to get an FX eventually though.

This...

[CPTRAVE]

Yeah I would choose the Super Grafx why, because it looks cool

[Mishran]

Yeah I would choose the Super Grafx why, because it looks cool

PC-FX looks cool too. Mini tower with the CD drive nestled in on the top. Yeah, that's sweet shit there.

[Deletion]

I just got a SuperGrafx so that would have to be my vote. I look forward to getting into the PC-FX some day, but right now I'm having a lot of fun with the PCE/TG.

[MottZilla]

SGX but to be fair I don't know a whole lot about PC-FX. But I know SGX has GnG and 1941 which are both awesome games.

[SignOfZeta]

The thing is, if the five SGX games weren't SGX games, if they ran exactly as-is on a regular PCE, the only one I *might* actually buy would be Makaikura. I'm pretty sure the same is true for almost everyone, whether they admit it or not. They only want whateverthefuck the other games are BECAUSE they are SGX games. What they are is secondary.

[thesteve]

i have the fx, and it has its charm

[TR0N]

Supergrafx sure it's just five games but at least it's bc with the pce.Sorry but the pc-fx library of games just don't interest me.

[termis]

Having owned the SGX at one point, I'll say the PCFX...  (Even though I actually have no interest in ever buying the PC-FX!)

The thing is, if the five SGX games weren't SGX games, if they ran exactly as-is on a regular PCE, the only one I *might* actually buy would be Makaikura. I'm pretty sure the same is true for almost everyone, whether they admit it or not. They only want whateverthefuck the other games are BECAUSE they are SGX games. What they are is secondary.

That's pretty much it.  I once bought the SGX + SCD-ROM2 for their all-encompassing compatibility, but then realized the massive floor space I gave up wasn't really worth the SGX-exclusive titles, and went back to the Duo setup.

[Ji-L87]

I'd love to have an FX around. I love the design (coincidentally I also like Beige pc towers) and it just seems...interesting. Not every game speaks to me but there's a few I'd like to try.
The SGX on the other hand, not really interested.

[Frank_fjs]

I once bought the SGX + SCD-ROM2 for their all-encompassing compatibility, but then realized the massive floor space I gave up wasn't really worth the SGX-exclusive titles, and went back to the Duo setup.

Interesting point. This is my mindset at the moment (i.e. I want a SGX + SCD-ROM2) but thinking about it logically, it's a lot of mess for the sake of 5 games.

I have a briefcase setup at the moment but do want to invest in a Duo, mainly for the convenience of it all and grabbing an RGB modded unit (really want to play my PCE in RGB!!!)

[esteban]

The thing is, if the five SGX games weren't SGX games, if they ran exactly as-is on a regular PCE, the only one I *might* actually buy would be Makaikura. I'm pretty sure the same is true for almost everyone, whether they admit it or not. They only want whateverthefuck the other games are BECAUSE they are SGX games. What they are is secondary.

Hey Zeta! It's been too long since I've strongly agreed/disagree with you

I just wanted to say that I would absolutely buy the SGX games (except for that Top Gun-esque game whose title escapes me at the moment). Aldynes? Yup. 1941 Kai? Yup. Granzort? Sure.

[termis]

I once bought the SGX + SCD-ROM2 for their all-encompassing compatibility, but then realized the massive floor space I gave up wasn't really worth the SGX-exclusive titles, and went back to the Duo setup.

Interesting point. This is my mindset at the moment (i.e. I want a SGX + SCD-ROM2) but thinking about it logically, it's a lot of mess for the sake of 5 games.

I have a briefcase setup at the moment but do want to invest in a Duo, mainly for the convenience of it all and grabbing an RGB modded unit (really want to play my PCE in RGB!!!)

Right, I mean this goes way back... but:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=2714.msg32722#msg32722

It's even worse when you add an additional AC adapter - SGX & SCD-ROM2 both need their own power supply...  (though I recall reading some posts here where someone built a bypass cable so that the setup could power both units off of one AC adapter).

Briefcase setup is cool.  If starting from scratch, I'd recommend a Duo, but if you already have a briefcase setup, I don't see much reason to get a separate Duo setup (RGB mod and all can be done right off the IFU IIRC).

[Mathius]

I played a PCFX a few times and it just doesn't contain the magic the SGX possesses. Plus, I wasn't drooling over PCFX pictures in EGM bitd like I did with the SGX.

[Frank_fjs]

It's even worse when you add an additional AC adapter - SGX & SCD-ROM2 both need their own power supply...

I was under the impression you could get away with a single PSU?



I thought you could dock the SGX to the rear of the SCD2, grab the power patch lead and go from DC OUT of the SCD2 and connect to the SGX, then power the whole thing via the DC IN of the SCD2. That's how I thought it worked, otherwise what's the point of the 2 DC inputs/outputs and the power patch cable?

[termis]

Yeah, that bypass cord only fits the CoreGrafx. The exact cord will NOT fit SuperGrafx, because the AC Adapter tip for the SuperGrafx is slightly fatter IIRC.

Again, I recall someone making a custom version of that cord which fits the SuperGrafx, but it's just that - a custom cord.

It's not the last time console makers did something that idiotic.  Look at the Genensis + MD 32x + CD fiasco.

[Samurai Ghost]

Yeah I got a custom patch cable that can do both, but it's pretty ugly. Still searching for an official cable.

And yeah, SGX for me all the way. Had plenty of chances to buy boxed PCFX systems for around $30 but passed because I'm not into digital comics at all and the one decent game for the system is insanely expensive...

[Frank_fjs]

Ah I see, well that's pretty disappointing. Actually, I do vaguely recall seeing someone mention a custom patch cable, however I thought they only made it as a replacement to the original patch cable as they never received one with their SCD2, I now realise they must have created it to accommodate the situation of the SGX having a different plug.

Might just keep my money then and grab more games.

[Deletion]

Yeah, that bypass cord only fits the CoreGrafx. The exact cord will NOT fit SuperGrafx, because the AC Adapter tip for the SuperGrafx is slightly fatter IIRC.

I can confirm the above. I plan on getting this SGX-compatible cable for $7: http://www.retrogamecave.com/nec-ac_adapter.html

[VestCunt]

That elbow cable is a good buy. I got one last month, works great.

[RegalSin]

Okay, I made a sane choice. If their was no PCE at all, and I had to only choose between those two I would get the PC-FX. It looks really really cool. Also the PC-FX also nipped the problem the SGFX had and is more powerfull, I am sure I would have seen tons of nook, nook on my PC-FX then my SGFX as well. Also the machine probably has tons of abilities that takes out the SGFX as well.

For those owners of a PC-FX, I wonder if you could turn it on it's side and load the CD-rom. That would be super cool like something out of fictional works like Iria, or Appleseed.

Keeping in touch with the non-exsistant PCE, it also loads from the top like that computer which the CD-ROM from the PCE could attach to, Which is probably the same formula they had, when they made the PC-FX, but instead of a computer it was a game system.

SGFX is like the Saturn. Being rushed out into an Market, naked without
a title line up. How could a person just throw Ghost and whatever/etc out their and expect people to be amazed. The Genesis also had the same release, and that looks kind embarassing. The original PCE could and should be able to read SGFX games as well, in fact I bet if one was to reprogram G&G they could get the game to run on the PCE, threw the same cart slot.

I bet all five games could run on the PCE, with a little handy work. I mean arcade graphics okay but the Neo-f-ing-geo cart did it, with avengence.

SGFX is not even on the title bar of this website. I clearly can see the small but proud Gon-PC-FX on the page, and hidden in the offical logo. In fact, why not just airbrush Gon on the side of a PC-FX already, because that is what the PC-FX should have been. We will allways have the Dreamcast. Five games man, five games, and even the bloody Virtual boy was probably more popular, and had a bigger line-up and people actually got blind and went back for more.

Maybe a small child had some influence? Or somebody had emotional breakdowns.
PC-FX was the Dreamcast unleashed. Speaking of early Dreamcast............the dreamcast even had a code of conduct for videogames if you haven't noticed.

[VestCunt]

I voted SGX. I'm more interested in exploring the truncated frontiers of my favorite system than delving into some 32-bit comic book adventures with text I can't read.

Mainly, I'm not that interested in anything after the 8- and 16-bit generations; it's just not what I grew up with. I'm intrigued by the attempts 16-bit systems made to compete with newer technology - the SGX, the Arcade card, and the 32X. I like the 3DO all right because many of the titles are ports of computer games that came out during the 16-bit generation. I also have a fair amount of N64 stuff because it's dirt cheap and there are good multiplayers my friends enjoy... but that's where my gaming stops.

[BigusSchmuck]

I too voted for SGX just for the simple reason that maybe one day we will see SGX enhanced CD games. The PC-FX doesn't interest me as most of the games I couldn't understand anyway as I don't speak Japanese and I don't want to spend time having to use some crazy translator on google just to play some digital comic games. Even if the romhacking community decided to finally drop snes games and go full blast on translating PC-FX games I still wouldn't want one.

[SamIAm]

The Supergrafx wins this one for me.

Basically, 4 of its 5 games (sorry Battle Ace) are solid action games that do exactly what great PCE games did best, but are even more awesome thanks to the SGX's extra resources. Because of its backwards compatibility, the SGX has actually become my full-time PCE, sitting on my coffee table next to a stack of hucards. Not only have I given it more hours of playtime, but I also think that each and every one of those four good games are better than any action game on the PC-FX.

The PC-FX has very appealing case and controller design, but the internal hardware itself is unexciting. This wouldn't matter much if the software held it up, but IMO it doesn't. Its three respectable action games aren't quite worth the investment it takes to play them. Meanwhile, language barriers aside, the rest of the system's library isn't just restricted in terms of genre representation; even if you do like those text-heavy games, the PC-FX doesn't even have the premium stuff. That's right, the Saturn and Playstation got most of those, too. What the PC-FX got is mostly low budget B-material. While a few do stand out, the Japanese reviews I've read all put it best: the PC-FX doesn't have a single "killer" game in any genre.

If only the PC-FX had backwards compatibility, it would be fucking incredible.

[thesteve]

as i see it the fx has the specs to be a perfect 2D system.
most of the games made for it were lacking

[SamIAm]

To me, 128 sprites is a pretty low ceiling for a perfect 2D system. Having no sprite scaling/rotation in hardware is a bummer, too. It's basically got the graphical ability of an enhanced SNES. In one sense, it's got the old "limitations make it more interesting" thing going for it, but in another, it's kind of silly for December 1994, and at 49,800 yen no less.

Zeroigar does just about all you could do with basic sprites on the PC-FX, and Zenki does most of what you could do with backgrounds. They aren't pushing the extremes, but they're decent examples.

The PC-FX couldn't do next-gen shmups like Dodonpachi and Battle Garegga because of the sprite limit, and it couldn't do Soukyugurentai or Layer Section because of all the scaling. Some parts of Castlevania SOTN would have had to have been dumbed down on the PC-FX as well. The list goes on.

The SGX hardware, on the other hand, was pretty badass. If it had lived a healthier life, we would have seen it do some really cool stuff with sprites.

[SignOfZeta]

The Supergrafx wins this one for me.

Basically, 4 of its 5 games (sorry Battle Ace) are solid action games that do exactly what great PCE games did best, but are even more awesome thanks to the SGX's extra resources.

I guess I'm the only one who can't even see the extra resources. If those five games ran as-is on a regular PCE you wouldn't hear me saying, "Dude, why are these 5 games so much more badass than the others!?" I mean, seriously, they just look like PCE games to me, mid-period ones at that. I consider Dracula X, Kaze Kiri, Lords of Thunder, Ys 4, and other later games to be vastly more impressive. At least I can tell the FX is another system.

[Lilgrafx]

Why were people comparing the 32x to the SuperGrafx? I know they both had small libraries but the super actually had quality games.

[Arkhan Asylum]

PCFX all the way!

Zeroigar is cooler than the SGX shooters, you get chip chan kick.

Nirgends is baller,

and, there are a ton of sweet RPGs.

Plus strategy RPGs, etc.

It's an all around better experience, actually.


I would know, since I own both and play my PCFX considerably more.   Zenki makes it even better

EVEN IF I HAVE TO PLAY A BURN BECAUSE ITS A LIKE 300$ GAME.

[Bernie]

I vote horse cock...

[soop]

Well, if Regal Sin is going to vote PC FX, I'm quite comfortable with my choice of SGX.

[RegalSin]

Why were people comparing the 32x to the SuperGrafx? I know they both had small libraries but the super actually had quality games.

They both had libraries ( but the 32X actually had umh..... ) and had tons of opertunities. That is a good question? Why compare a pre-N64 to
pre-Saturn?

[SamIAm]

I guess I'm the only one who can't even see the extra resources. If those five games ran as-is on a regular PCE you wouldn't hear me saying, "Dude, why are these 5 games so much more badass than the others!?" I mean, seriously, they just look like PCE games to me, mid-period ones at that. I consider Dracula X, Kaze Kiri, Lords of Thunder, Ys 4, and other later games to be vastly more impressive. At least I can tell the FX is another system.

They don't so much make a critical difference as they're simply a nice bonus, but the extra effects are fairly clear in those four SGX games. All of them use the 2nd background well beyond what you could do with programming tricks on the PCE, and Aldynes and 1941 appear to make use of the extra sprite capacity as well. I bet the RAM made a difference, too.

Regardless of how they compare to the prettiest PCE games, those four absolutely would have been forcibly simplified if they had been made as ordinary PCE hucards. Perhaps being SCD games would have afforded them a different kind of graphical luxury, but it would be in trade for some of the effects they have on the SGX.

Anyway, they're pretty damn good action games, and that's what's important. I'm also not saying that the SGX should have been a success, because it really shouldn't have ever been released. However, it did make those 4 good games even better, to whatever degree.

Zeroigar is cooler than the SGX shooters...

Actually, to an action gamer, I'd say you should choose based almost solely on which you think you'll enjoy more, Zeroigar or Aldynes. I love Zeroigar, but to me at least, Aldynes wins out.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

The thing is, if the five SGX games weren't SGX games, if they ran exactly as-is on a regular PCE, the only one I *might* actually buy would be Makaikura. I'm pretty sure the same is true for almost everyone, whether they admit it or not.

Surely you jest.  1941 and Aldynes are dang good shewties that any shmup fan would gladly add to his collection.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'd buy Battle Ace if it were a PCE game.

[SignOfZeta]

The thing is, if the five SGX games weren't SGX games, if they ran exactly as-is on a regular PCE, the only one I *might* actually buy would be Makaikura. I'm pretty sure the same is true for almost everyone, whether they admit it or not.

Surely you jest.  1941 and Aldynes are dang good shewties that any shmup fan would gladly add to his collection.

I must not be a shooter fan then. I don't own any of the 194x series games. I find them rather bland.

Actually, that's not true, I do own, I think, one of them on a Capcom Generations disc.

[VestCunt]

Battle Ace > Aldynes

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I went with SGX in this vote.

I've been down the PCFX road before and it just collected dust.  That isn't to say i wouldn't bite on another one some day for a steal.  I'd just rather own a Supergrafx!!  Those extra 4 games are the only PCE games I don't have access to currently with only having a Duo that can play everything else.  ^.^