My Console is better than your Console, let the flame war begin (again)

[VenomMacbeth]

I have undergone many changes of opinion since I started console collecting.  I'd had a SNES for a long time, mainly for the big N titles like Super Metroid, F-Zero, Star Fox, and Super Mario World.  This was because I spent the vast majority of my early gaming career being a die-hard Nintendo fan.  Therefore, I had no desire to own a Genesis & didn't even know the Turbografx-16 existed.

Well, I got my Genesis & was content for awhile playing nothing but Sonic the Hedgehog on it.  Besides, I had just gotten my first (working) NES & still mostly played my Xbox 360 at the time.  However, the more I collected for the NES, the more I became open to getting more games for the Genesis, somehow.  

For the longest time, I thought the audio on the Genny was really week.  It was fitting for the era the console was released in, but the cheesy synths grated on my nerves at first.  I have come to appreciate them a lot more, however.  When you compare them to the SNES's audio, though, it does seem somewhat primitive.  The SNES's synths seem somewhat more realistic, almost MIDI, which would have been better-received back in the day, what with the popularity of computer gaming at that time.  The Genesis sounds, to me, like one of those cheap Casio (or...ya know...Yamaha) keyboard synthesizers from the 80's you sometimes find at yard sales for like $5.  Similar Yamaha sound chips were used in arcade games at the time, too, so its utilization in the Genesis is hardly surprising.

It's hard for me to pick a preference audio-wise, because I think each console's audio was strongly indicative of the time it was released.  The PCE/Turbo, however, is in a league of its own.  I don't think a similar chip (I'm likely mistaken) was used in other arcade/PC hardware at the time.  It obviously can't handle heavy sampling, as is present in many Genesis & SNES games, but it still manages to sound good.  It's like an NES sound chip with more channels and...well...more "umph," for lack of a better term.

As for graphics...it's hard to say.  The Genesis does seem to have a slightly more dull (almost earth-toned) color pallet, but there are many brightly-colored games for the system.  It's probably all subject to clever programming, as you guys have said.  

The SNES has bright colors and the addition of the "mode-7" which...I guess would have been pretty cool at the time.  It's certainly impressive on a 16-bit console.  However, it seems slightly gimmicky to me now.  With polygon graphics coming literally right around the corner in console gaming at the time, it seems the "mode-7" was almost immediately made obsolete.

Besides, who needs mode-7 when you have sprite scaling?  Obviously the Genesis can handle this better than the PCE, but it's wasted on turds like Super Thunder Blade (and After Burner II, to a lesser extent.)  Outrun turned out okay, though.  However, the PCE versions of these games (save maybe for Outrun) seem to look, play, and just be slightly better than their Genesis counterparts.  That's just my opinion, though.  

Anyway, the PCE had bright colors, obviously, and handled itself quite nicely for having an 8-bit CPU.  However (and correct me if I'm wrong) I do believe the PCE was incapable of processing real parallax scrolling, in contrast to the Genny & SNES.  I know many games made use of sprite-based simulated parallax, though, which is just fine by me (hell, the NES and SMS could do it too & it still looks pretty awesome.)  

Now, Polygons...the PCE is obviously out of the competition here, as there were no co-processor-assisted 3D games for the system, so this battle would have to be fought between the SNES and the Genesis.

The first 16-bit polygon game I've ever played was Star Fox (I'm sure many could say the same.)  I had already played SF64 prior to that, but for a 16-bit game, it holds up very well & manages to have its own unique atmosphere.  I've also played Vortex, but not for more than 5 minutes (despite owning a copy.)  Both games look decent, though obviously I prefer SF.  As for the games I haven't played, Stunt Race FX doesn't appeal to me at all, so I really couldn't give an opinion.  Doom, although impressive, seems choppy & I hear it doesn't handle well control-wise.  This is pretty disappointing & is a testament to the SNES's weak CPU.  I mean, even the fucking 8-bit Atari Lynx managed texture-mapped polygons in that AVP prototype, and without the help of a co-processor, so there's really no reason Doom on the SNES should have sucked.

Hell, Zero Tolerance on the Genny, despite having the biggest, ugliest HUD in FPS history, manages to look and handle better than SNES Doom, and again, completely without co-processing...at least, from what I've read.

Although I don't own a copy, I've done a lot of reading on Virtual Racing for the Genesis & I've got to say, the game looks really impressive.  The high polygon-count (colorful polygons, at that) seem to surpass even Star Fox, and the game even seems to move a bit faster (probably thanks to the Genesis's BLAST PROCESSING HURRRR)

I'm not going to talk about the 32X here, partly because I don't own one yet, but also because it essentially turns the Genesis into a 32-bit system, and it seems most of the discussion here is about 16-bit consoles (this is a PCE forum, after all   )  It's hard to pick a winner, though, when it comes to the chip-assisted 3D games; Virtua Racing looks better than most Super-FX games, but it's the ONLY game like it on the Genesis.  

Honestly guys, I'm simply too open-minded now to really consider one console better than the other, especially when it comes to cross-generation comparisons.  I mean, come one, of COURSE the PS1 is gonna be better than the SNES.  It was one of the top-selling game consoles of all time (and the best selling 16/32-bit console, I believe...either it or the N64) and it has a whole 16 additional bits on the SNES.

However, when it comes to shooters, the obvious best is the PCE.  It has great graphics for it & keeps it simple with its two-button configuration.  The worst, obviously, is the SNES.  Yes it has some good games, but they're few & even fewer can hold a candle to the PCE...which is seriously fucking sad.  I mean, the Game Gear's Z80 processor runs games like GG Aleste II (one of the best, if not THE best shooter on the system) fairly consistently & the SNES can't even run similar games without massive slowdown, without clever programming.  Jesus, doesn't the SNES's CPU have the same clocking speed as the GG/SMS (Colecovision!?)?  Come on, Nintenderp.

Don't get me wrong, I love the SNES.  I love Gradius III and Super R-Type.  However, I'd still rather be playing Lightening Force or Soldier Blade.


Anyway, sorry for the long post.  This type of topic is one of the things that's kept me interested in console collecting; I like each of my consoles for a different reason & it's especially interesting to note each one's advantages/inadequacies over the other.  I'm probably echoing a lot of things that have already been said here, too, so...sorry guys. 

[Nazi NecroPhile]

It [PCE] obviously can't handle heavy sampling....

Champions Forever Boxing wants to have a chat with you.

[VenomMacbeth]

It [PCE] obviously can't handle heavy sampling....

Champions Forever Boxing wants to have a chat with you.

Whoops!  Well, my point was that the use of sampling is more prevalent in the SNES and Genesis than it is in the PCE...though I could be (and probably am) mistaken.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Very nice read VM, i quite enjoyed your take on the 16-bit wars. 

Hell, Zero Tolerance on the Genny, despite having the biggest, ugliest HUD in FPS history, manages to look and handle better than SNES Doom, and again, completely without co-processing...at least, from what I've read.

Hell yes!  I always wondered why more people don't mention Zero Tolerance more often as far as how impressive the game was.  I always really enjoyed it.  Doom and Wolfenstien were great, but there was like a dozen versions of those games on every console at the time.  ZT was a completely original game made exclusively for Gens.

Although I don't own a copy, I've done a lot of reading on Virtual Racing for the Genesis & I've got to say, the game looks really impressive.  The high polygon-count (colorful polygons, at that) seem to surpass even Star Fox, and the game even seems to move a bit faster (probably thanks to the Genesis's BLAST PROCESSING HURRRR)

I will say VR for Genesis may have displayed faster, but I always thought by comparison, that StarFox was a far superior presentation.

Here is my take on each console war I care to comment on-

8-bit wars- The winner: NES, My favorite: NES
16-bit wars- The winner: SNES, My favorite: Turbob
32/64-bit wars- The winner: PS1, My favorite: Saturn
128-bit wars- The winner:PS2, My favorite: Dreamcast
Current Gen Wars: The..... does anyone really care at this point?

[CrackTiger]

Star Fox never looked like 3D to me. It was a cool gimmick to have some polygonal objects on a 2D background, but many Genesis games already do that in more of an immersive 3D way and without extra hardware. VR Racing is so much more impressive to me as it has a real 3D environnent and models that actually look like things, instead of 3D gibberish.

[CrackTiger]

It [PCE] obviously can't handle heavy sampling....

Champions Forever Boxing wants to have a chat with you.

Whoops!  Well, my point was that the use of sampling is more prevalent in the SNES and Genesis than it is in the PCE...though I could be (and probably am) mistaken.

Sampling is definitely most prevailent in SNES games because it is all that the SNES can do. The PCE actually has pretty impressive sample running ability and can run clear samples through wll of its channels at once. But thats a waste of memory and PCE and Genesis games dont waste space on samples when they dont need to.

[Opethian]

time boner!

[JoshTurboTrollX]

time boner!

The choice is pretty simple:
SNES Star Fox

Vs.
Genesis Virtua Racing

[RegalSin]

The only thing preventing PCE CD-Rom games from being prime, was the fact the technology was new, and people were thinking records. They left prints, marks, and all kinds of scratches. We all remember handling giscs. It was stupid..

The carts did their job for a generation of people who still used 8-tracks. People who probably left their games out in a pile, in the sun. The Hu-cards could have also did the same, job but by then, everybody decided to abandon the storage medium, in exchange for CD.

On a PCE all you really need is one Hu-card, and in todays money on an national market circuit, the costs would not be a problem. The problem with cost is popularity, the material is not the problem, just the popularity.

It is like with CDs today. They are still being sold but now, they are becoming expensiver.

[Tatsujin]

You guys cant compare games like star fox or VR since all these games used extra 3D chips added to
the cart. Without these, those games would NEVER had looked as they did.
The pce never got any extra power added, simply because it was awesome enuff.

[Tatsujin]

Besides, who needs mode-7 when you have sprite scaling?  Obviously the Genesis can handle this better than the PCE, but it's wasted on turds like Super Thunder Blade (and After Burner II, to a lesser extent.)  Outrun turned out okay, though.  However, the PCE versions of these games (save maybe for Outrun) seem to look, play, and just be slightly better than their Genesis counterparts.  That's just my opinion, though.

1. only problem here (and again beside the snes's mode-7), no other 8-/16bit console could handle sprite scaling (beside the Neo Geo).

2. I even think the MDs outrun was inferior to the PCE outrun, mainly because its low frame rate. the speed feeling just won't come up as it does on the PCE and that what makes outrun special. also the cars and side objects as well the backgrounds are much more arcade faithful in the PCE port, even the MD has few extra stuff like the beach in the first level, which was completely missing in the PCE port, as well the street branching was done in a better way.
Both version have their flaws, but the MD one just seems to have more and the more serious one, in terms of gameplay and gamefun.

Now after burner II IMO is a completely different rabbit hole. While the MD port was a really dull and sloppy port (game play and play fun wise), the pce one managed to bring over a real fast paced game play with lots of smoothly fake-scaled objects (f.e. the rocket trails which even changed the colors, scaling of the mid-air fuel plane and navy vessel etc.), which therefore brought us a game much closer to something like we had in the arcades.

[VenomMacbeth]

time boner!

The choice is pretty simple:
SNES Star Fox

Vs.
Genesis Virtua Racing

Hey now, I said Virtua Racing, not Hard Driving.  That game is a fucking abomination & should never, EVER even be mentioned.  Ever.

And it may sound like "Time Boner," but at least it's real voice synthesis, unlike Star Fox's "BUDAHBUDUHBLAHBUDUH"

 

1. only problem here (and again beside the snes's mode-7), no other 8-/16bit console could handle sprite scaling (beside the Neo Geo).

2. I even think the MDs outrun was inferior to the PCE outrun, mainly because its low frame rate. the speed feeling just won't come up as it does on the PCE and that what makes outrun special. also the cars and side objects as well the backgrounds are much more arcade faithful in the PCE port, even the MD has few extra stuff like the beach in the first level, which was completely missing in the PCE port, as well the street branching was done in a better way.
Both version have their flaws, but the MD one just seems to have more and the more serious one, in terms of gameplay and gamefun.

Now after burner II IMO is a completely different rabbit hole. While the MD port was a really dull and sloppy port (game play and play fun wise), the pce one managed to bring over a real fast paced game play with lots of smoothly fake-scaled objects (f.e. the rocket trails which even changed the colors, scaling of the mid-air fuel plane and navy vessel etc.), which therefore brought us a game much closer to something like we had in the arcades.

1. You're right, but some consoles simulate it better than others.  *Insert super-scaler arcade port comparison here*

2. That's exactly what I thought about Outrun.  And After Burner.  Is it ironic that NEC Avenue obviously cared more about their ports of these games than Sega did about their's? (Yes, I know Sega didn't port those games on the Genesis.)

[SuperDeadite]

Man you people really need to stop fighting the truth.
SNES sucks.
Just accept it and enjoy your life again.

[VenomMacbeth]

Man you people really need to stop fighting the truth.
SNES sucks.
Just accept it and enjoy your life again.

It's not my fav, but I wouldn't go so far to say that it sucks.  The Atari Jaguar sucks.  I can enjoy playing the SNES plenty, but I wouldn't even get close enough to a Jaguar to take a shit on it.  If the horrible graphics or the monstrosity of a controller don't kill the games, the awful Commodore-64-grade synths do.  64 bits my ass.

[Tatsujin]

the awful Commodore-64-grade synths do.  64 bits my ass. 

That's a big insult to the SID, which was and still is one of the greatest synth ever used for gaming purposes

[VenomMacbeth]

the awful Commodore-64-grade synths do.  64 bits my ass. 

That's a big insult to the SID, which was and still is one of the greatest synth ever used for gaming purposes

Well it's just great...on a Commodore-64.  A 64-bit game console deserves a better synth.  Pretty much every other 32/64-bit console, INCLUDING the 32x, has more tolerable synths.  If you guys like it, awesome, but I think it's piss.

[Tatsujin]

If you guys like it, awesome, but I think it's piss.

lol, don't get me wrong. if the jag really had an additional SID inside and properly used as well, I think it would have been a real cool add.
But I think the problem was lesser the synth itself, and more of how poorly it was used (like most of the atari & co stuff).

[RegalSin]

Every game system made outside of Japan, and after the concept of PCE/NES suck, not including the Amiga. Their was absolutely no development support period for non-Japanese systems. Atari had some but their computers was used for sound mostly, and the apple was just a retard version of the DOS/Intel/Windows

[HercTNT]

I like starfox, it was a good game, and cutting edge for consoles at the time. As much as i like the snes and have defended its audio, i actually agree the sound in starfox was muddy. Don't know why, its just came across that way.
VR racing is an excellent game. Excellent clear audio, real sensation of speed.
Comparing the two of them is kinda silly though. I agree with blacktiger that VR had a more 3d feel to it, but they are so completely different games i don't feel they can be compared.
Deadite is just trolling to stir that shit, then again, this is fighting street so have at it
The jaguar does suck. Compare checkered flag on the jaguar to VR on the genesis. The 64 bit system gets crushed painfully!!!
Hating on the sid is blasphemy punishable by a 1000 lashes from wet spaghetti.
Regal, your losing your touch. You keep making valid reasonable points. I'm losing my faith in you  

[SuperDeadite]

Not trolling, the SNES just sucks.  Any system with less then 10 game worth playing sucks.  This can not be debated.

[RegalSin]

Nobody can hate the SNES. The SNES was my fav before the PCE, and Saturn. I eventually wanted to settle down with something that is all 2d power, and keeps on kicking.

Also the the SNES best feature was the sound, which was very unique and differnt, compared to the 1980's bliss of the MD. The PSX tried to do what the SNES did, but failed, and made a sound type, that had iffi quality.

The PCE has its' own kind of sound as well, but so did the NES, and previous mentioned.

............................................................................

THe only reason the SNES sucks, is because it had to end, and Nintendo called the shots, plus it was really just an Amiga, with the Nintendo logo on it.

In fact Nintendo basically made a game system that was supportive towards westerners and not an Amiga or Atari. The next time it was the N64 and it's silicon graphics power house. Even the GCN, had the power of the PPC, inside, along with IBM force.

................................................

The Dreamcast was just another NEC Windows PC,

Saturn was an ASMbblers dream but a C persons Nightmare

The Genesis was too big.

The SNES graphics was all compacted.
.................................................................

In fact I like the titles that was on the SNES compared to the Japanese release. I mean okay, some things are better from Japan, but the west had it's powers. That is
what people had to deal with, because everybody was
so afraid of competition.

[PCEngineHell]

Not trolling, the SNES just sucks.  Any system with less then 10 game worth playing sucks.  This can not be debated.

No one takes you seriously. How can they, everyone knows your game buying habits, and you're attitude of self importance when concerning your obsession with all things obscure or un-mainstream in the Japanese gaming market (the fact that you'd have a Virtua Boy and hate the Snes speaks volumes). The wispy nerdy pompous know it all voice on your youtube vids is nuthin but lulz (esp all the lip smacking sounds you make sometimes). The suspected self hate going on too, going out of your way to try to be Japanese yourself (like a character right out of The Man in the High Castle), and the fact that you use a anime girl avatar and maintain a girlish like manicure, how could anyone be expected to really?

This is you: /foreveralone.png

Surrounded by millions of Japanese, but alas, for obvious reasons, forever alone...you really have nuthin to smile about, so you shouldn't bother.

[VenomMacbeth]

/foreveralone.png

[HercTNT]

professor, their are two truths. either dead head is trolling for comments, or he is painfully stupid. i dont think he is stupid. i think he just like the controversy. its ok. its fighting street. any true gamer knows that quality games exist on all systems. one has to assume that deadites attempt to stir the shit is a plee for attention and nothing more.  after all he has no facts, just shit flying out of his mouth. it does not bother me at all. its his loss, even if he does not realize it.

[Mathius]

Not trolling, the SNES just sucks.  Any system with less then 10 game worth playing sucks.  This can not be debated.

Yes it can.

[PunkCryborg]

Not trolling, the SNES just sucks.  Any system with less then 10 game worth playing sucks.  This can not be debated.

No one takes you seriously. How can they, everyone knows your game buying habits, and you're attitude of self importance when concerning your obsession with all things obscure or un-mainstream in the Japanese gaming market (the fact that you'd have a Virtua Boy and hate the Snes speaks volumes). The wispy nerdy pompous know it all voice on your youtube vids is nuthin but lulz (esp all the lip smacking sounds you make sometimes). The suspected self hate going on too, going out of your way to try to be Japanese yourself (like a character right out of The Man in the High Castle), and the fact that you use a anime girl avatar and maintain a girlish like manicure, how could anyone be expected to really?

This is you:
Surrounded by millions of Japanese, but alas, for obvious reasons, forever alone...you really have nuthin to smile about, so you shouldn't bother.

You are the creepiest dude on this site hands down

[HercTNT]

 truth does not equal creepy. you can disagree with professor, but you can not hide from your fanboyism, gua haahhaahhahahaahha

[SuperDeadite]

SNES DEFENSE PLAN:
1.  Dig through photobucket.
2.  Google user name.
3.  Spend hours reading youtube comments.
4.  Fantasize about offender until you can understand his inner psyche.
5.  Furiously masturbate to his sexy face pic.
6.  Achieve "Creepy stalker" status.
SUCCESS, THE SNES HAS BEEN DEFENDED.
WORLD PEACE RESTORED!

[PunkCryborg]

truth does not equal creepy. you can disagree with professor, but you can not hide from your fanboyism, gua haahhaahhahahaahha

You're pretty creepy as well....

[HercTNT]

your point is? i love all consoles, i love computer games. i love my pce. i understand that good games come from all. if that makes me creepy so be it. what does that make you? if you dont have a qualifed answer for that, maybe you should stfu and hide for awhile. just a thought.

[PunkCryborg]

your point is? i love all consoles, i love computer games. i love my pce. i understand that good games come from all. if that makes me creepy so be it. what does that make you? if you dont have a qualifed answer for that, maybe you should stfu and hide for awhile. just a thought.

No need to go all regalsin on me

[PCEngineHell]

SNES DEFENSE PLAN:
1.  Dig through photobucket.
2.  Google user name.
3.  Spend hours reading youtube comments.
4.  Fantasize about offender until you can understand his inner psyche.
5.  Furiously masturbate to his sexy face pic.
6.  Achieve "Creepy stalker" status.
SUCCESS, THE SNES HAS BEEN DEFENDED.
WORLD PEACE RESTORED!

You make it all sound sooo....complicated. It was a lot less effort and time consumption then that. Why would anyone read your youtube comments anyway lol? I saw like two of your videos and had enough of you after hearing you talk on both. That, and well, your creepy fingernails/women's claws, they are fucking gross. And Venoms post is lol, you look oddly like Kermit. Like I said, no one takes you seriously, for the above mentioned reasons. Sad but true... Anyway, dont you have a yellow skin dye session taking place in your bathtub you have to attend to? You know, to help further your assimilation into your adopted culture, the one where you eventually marry your anime pillow and buy a anime real doll so it wont quite feel like you're forever alone?

[HercTNT]

Punknic, if you feel as though i make no sense at all, then tell me why i'm wrong. its ok if you dont like the snes. there are many systems i dont like, but i understand they still have good games. regalsin may not always be on the cutting edge, but atleast by his comments he understand the quality of a system. punknic, dead head. are you defending your belief, or just suffering from constipation of the bran and diarrhea of the mouth?  its ok if you have no fucking clue what your talking about. this is fighting street. just admit your clueless and all will be forgiven. otherwise, keep talking and bury yourself is bullshit. no one will ever forget your cluelessness, i promise

[PunkCryborg]

Punknic, if you feel as though i make no sense at all, then tell me why i'm wrong. its ok if you dont like the snes. there are many systems i dont like, but i understand they still have good games. regalsin may not always be on the cutting edge, but atleast by his comments he understand the quality of a system. punknic, dead head. are you defending your belief, or just suffering from constipation of the bran and diarrhea of the mouth?  its ok if you have no fucking clue what your talking about. this is fighting street. just admit your clueless and all will be forgiven. otherwise, keep talking and bury yourself is bullshit. no one will ever forget your cluelessness, i promise

I don't think I ever said I didn't like the snes

[HercTNT]

other than you saying its the only system you want to pee on. its ok. if you can't be held to your words, i dont blame you. some people talk out of the side of thier face without thinking about what they are saying. if you don't like the snes. that is your business. if you can't atleast respect if for its contribution to the 16bit era, then you are a loser, or or a fanboy. the pce was amazing, and still is. the snes has great games, and still does. the genesis as well. anyone else  is stirring up the shit for attention. don't agree with me? you dont have to. its fighting street

[Mathius]

other than you saying its the only system you want to pee on.

My SNES looks like someone peed on it.

[HercTNT]

mathius, so does mine. and i'm planning on using arkhans suggestion to clean it up with peroxide. that has nothing to do with its capabilites as a system, no matter how much you want to be funny. not that i appreciate the attempt.

[Mathius]

mathius, so does mine. and i'm planning on using arkhans suggestion to clean it up with peroxide. that has nothing to do with its capabilites as a system, no matter how much you want to be funny. not that i appreciate the attempt.

I agree. The SNES is my fave console.

Remember...

Not trolling, the SNES just sucks.  Any system with less then 10 game worth playing sucks.  This can not be debated.

Yes it can.

...I disagreed with Deadite here saying that debate is valid concerning the SNES's awesomeness.

[HercTNT]

The pce is my favorite console. the snes is my second favorite.  it does not matter either way as all are good. quality games come from all sources. i for one will take advantage of all good games not matter what system they are on. do i sound like a kiss ass?, maybe so, but atleast i'm playing good games. currently i'm playing earthbound for  nes on my gameaxe. can any of you say your so well rounded. mathius. i'm not taking a shot at you. i'm aware your a strong member of this commmunity. your opinion is appreciated.

[Tatsujin]

how can not be the pce ones most favorite console in this forum?

i sure like the sfc, since i loved the 16-bit era to no end.
the sfc was a big part of my life, but in my honest opinion, not many of the better games back then aged very well. so only the very good ones like axelay, contra spirits, macross scramble valkyre, valken, SMW, SMK etc. keeping me busy playing the system from time to time.

[Mathius]

I am currently playing through Castlevania IV in an attempt to finally beat the sucker. The music really stands out each time I turn the system on. Konami really made the SNES sing with that game. There is a bass that drives a lot of the tracks in SCIV that inflicts an emotion within me. That is art in its purist form.

...I have said before that I love most all consoles. I can even find redeeming qualities in the Jag and 3DO (especially the 3DO!). If I had one complaint to lay on the core 16-Bit consoles it would be the Mega Drive's soundchip. Don't get me wrong-companies like Sunsoft and Technosoft made the MD rock out with some gorgeous tunes like in Batman and Thunder Force III. It's just the MD's low quality FM synth chip really hindered the potential atmosphere in some games.

 I guess I could call out the MD's composite video output too but that is easily fixed via a S-Video mod.

[HercTNT]

not only do all consoles kick ass, but we are lucky enough to have people like Thesteve, and Bluebmw to make them better. any idiot that refuses to play one, is just limiting himself, or herself, quality wise. currently my favorite machines are: my pc-engine gt modified by Thesteve, as well as my Gameaxe modified by Thesteve. am i kissing ass. hell yea, and you would be so lucky to do the same i don't care if a system is collectible, i just want to play games on it. any asshat that says they only like one system is doing so to piss you off, or has never played  the other machines. As for Thesteve, currently, he is my pimp to better gaming. if i sound like a kiss ass, so what? he repairs my machines and upgrades them to make the gaming better. don't like it, oh well, if you do like it, sign on and upgrade to better gaming.                         

[Mathius]

how can not be the pce ones most favorite console in this forum?

i sure like the sfc, since i loved the 16-bit era to no end.
the sfc was a big part of my life, but in my honest opinion, not many of the better games back then aged very well. so only the very good ones like axelay, contra spirits, macross scramble valkyre, valken, SMW, SMK etc. keeping me busy playing the system from time to time.

If I had opted for a TurboGrafx instead of a Genesis that very well might have been the case with me, Tats. When I was younger I went through a SEGA fanboy phase where I cried the praises of that awesome arcade manufacturer. As much as I hated it the Master System and Genesis just couldn't cut it in some areas (sound, no hardware rotation or scaling) against the competing platforms. "Where was that awesome scaling seen in Thunder Blade?" I thought. Then the SEGA CD was announced and I thought this was my answer! Nope. Not there either.

I should have went with a Turbo Duo. Along with it and the Super Nintendo I could have had the ultimate gaming setup. Two systems I could have equally loved instead of one system causing imbalance. Once again, I still love the Genesis. I always will. It will always be part of my past and I do have a lot of great memories associated with it.

[HercTNT]

Mathius, nothing wrong with loving the genny. its got some really good games. people who understand that good games come from all systems are good to go in my book.

[Mathius]

Mathius, nothing wrong with loving the genny. its got some really good games. people who understand that good games come from all systems are good to go in my book.

Definitely not.

The Genesis/SEGA CD model 1 set-up is truly a magnificent looking console. The model 2 set-up not so much.

But it is all about the games. Thunder Force III, Lunar, Castlevania: Bloodlines- all of these are great all-around games that are only on the Genesis. Except for Thunder Spirits on the SNES. That game pales in comparison to the Genny version. And it's based off the arcade game Thunder Force AC, so Thunder Force III is still a MD exclusive. Unless there is a port out there that I am not aware of.

[Tatsujin]

lol, I like the MD as well, in fact when it comes to the availability of good games, it even beats the SFC.

the MD and the SFC are the most far away placed 16-bit systems, were the pce was just settled very between.

its like the worst colors vs. the best colors, the worst action vs. the best action, almost zero RPGs, vs. almost only RPGs, etc.

the triangle of the 16bit era is formed by the pce, md and sfc. every system completely different and praised with different exclusive stuff. that's what made the 16-bit era so good. and soon or later you had to have 'em all anyway, so do you today.

[Mathius]

lol, I like the MD as well, in fact when it comes to the availability of good games, it even beats the SFC.

the MD and the SFC are the most far away 16-bit systems, were the pce was just settled ver between.

its like the worst colors vs. the best colors, the worst action vs. the best action, almost zero RPGs, vs. almost only RPGs, etc.

the triangle of the 16bit era is formed by the pce, md and sfc. every system completely different and praised with different exclusive stuff. that's what made the 16-bit era so good. and soon or later you had to have 'em all anyway, so do you today.

Quoted for truth. Great post!

[HercTNT]

I own a Duo-r
a Jvc-xeye
a gameaxe
a pc-engine-gt
a snes
a nintendo
a super nintendo
a game gear
a playstation
a gamecube
a xbox
a turbografx-16
quality games can be found on all of them. my favorites are my Pc-engine gt (thesteve modified) my gameaxe (thesteve modifided), my game gear ( modifided by me) and my snes, my nes, my genny, and my duo.
i have finished many games on these system in the previous months.
I'm lucky to have a friend that has helped me get these system.
I'm lucky to have a wife that has also helped.
I"m very lucky to have found the steve that has fixed them to work beyond my wildest dreams.
I'm better than anyone that thinks that the best gaming comes form one system. I'm lucky to have the turbo. prove me wrong

[Mathius]

To be honest I haven't read this entire thread. Still haven't. I skim through a couple of posts due to excess fanboyism, but I got to say my peace.

I had a SMS, NES, Genesis/SEGA CD, and Super NES growing up. So that means I had access to most of what was available when it was current. Those who claim that the SNES was only an acceptable form of entertainment for that time period until you got a hold of something better, and would never have a reason to return to it for any reason later in life, is just blind to the reality of other people's opinions and tastes. I own the majority of retro consoles now, and I still return to my nice selection of 40-50 excellent SNES games on a regular basis. I would own more if I had the room lol

Those of you with differing opinions are more than welcome to call me insane. That is your option. But, please don't shove your "facts" in my face. Not that you have done that to me personally yet. I see it happening to other people though and I feel the need to defend them. Yes I know this is Fighting Street, but there are some real passions springing up.

[VenomMacbeth]

It really all amounts to fanboyism, as no self-respecting gamer would deny that there is at least some appeal to any given console.  I rag on the Jag (TEEHEE!) but if I saw one for cheap, I'd probably get one for the novelty of it.  Hell, I wouldn't mind playing AVP or Wolfenstein 3D, or perhaps even Raiden on it.  I'm currently investigating good games for the Commodore-64, as my uncle just dug his out of the attic & it apparently still works.  (ironically, though, he isn't much of a gamer at all.  He got it back in the day for programming.).

Anyway, I digress.  There are consoles that are better than others, but there are reasons to own each of them.