My Console is better than your Console, let the flame war begin (again)

[TurboDude420]

My personal favorite console is Sega Genesis. Playing Street Fighter II: Special Championship Edition or Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers with the Sega 6 Button Arcade Stick is heaven.

[RegalSin]

NEvermind.................Genesis cram out 80's goodness. It is soo lucky to have Splatterhouse, and games like Ecco.

[speedlolita]

The original PlayStation is my favourite console (yeah yeah) but right now I only own a Master System and a Core Grafx II.

The Master System is never used. ;)

[bob]

I picked up a sega cdx and have a new found love for sega cd. I had a model 1 when it was released, but I must have bought ALL the wrong games for it back then because I hardly touched it when I was a kid.

And am I the only person that still plays an OG green/gray screen Game Boy? Love the simplicity of that little bastard.

[HercTNT]

I picked up a sega cdx and have a new found love for sega cd. I had a model 1 when it was released, but I must have bought ALL the wrong games for it back then because I hardly touched it when I was a kid.

And am I the only person that still plays an OG green/gray screen Game Boy? Love the simplicity of that little bastard.

i own 4 gameboy's and could easily own 100 more. i love em, you got another fan right here. I was late to the sega cd party. had a friend that owned one and he had all the wrongs games as it were as well. Because of it, i did not like it. i was dead wrong. segacd has some great games, it took me to long to realize that.

[RegalSin]

Original game boy rocks, but I need back lite, and loud sound.

CDX is the most breakable of the Genesis models, It makes me think of a PCE....................that was released five years later. The idea of the size and display looks cool, but they could have at least pushed a mini display into the darn thing. The PSX and Saturn was released before the CDX.

.............


SEGA CD only had Sonic CD, after that I was like back to Mario...

Sega would have dominated the market if they had imported more, and
just ran commercials, but even the SEGA CD boxing FMV game is no where near it's Genesis or NES counter part.

I forgot about SEGA CD focusing on finishing Mario World, remember how cool that was..ohhhh it's wizinghimer, the Magikoopa AKA Kamek. Our minds was so raped. Meanwhile in Japan. they banned condoms, while we were given free condoms in the fifth grade. Then here comes the TNMNTs, la la lar la la lar la la la lala la la power. 70% of America's obesity should be blamed on TNMNT eating Pizza in almost episode, film, and even had a song about it. One whole segment was just nothing but, people eating pizza outside, in an unrealistic peaceful Manhattan.

[reno5]

I do have a preference for Sega Genesis over the SNES but that's because i had a Genesis back then and all my friends had SNES. Loved to exchange system for a weekend and play more games.

Love my TG16 too. Had one back in the days along my Genesis and played both.

And i'm probably one of the few that love the Game Gear. Own over 100 games for it and beside the low quality screen games are good and i can play all my master game on it !

[Drakon]

*bump*  I also hate when people argue about hardware like this.  Not just that but I constantly get people arguing with me over which console has the better game library.  I say the snes has the best library ever, certainly better than what you can get for the genesis or even the pce cd.  And the nes has the second best library.  But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the genesis has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library.

[VestCunt]

I like arguing about software libraries, but people rarely agree on whether they're comparing the quantity of good games released or the hit-to-crap ratio. For example, the NES has an awesome selection of great games, but there's so much shit that the overall ratio is bad. People argue both ways and it's like ships passing in the night.

[HercTNT]

Unless a systems software library sucked so much it was not worth even playing, arguing over it at all does not make sense to me. It does not matter to me how many crap games were made for a system in comparison to good games as long as there are good games and plenty of them. If you make 10,000 games for a system and only 1000 of them are really good, does the system automatically suck? Quality of games is often subjective to based on peoples opinions of what makes a good game. I know people that don't like the sega because they hate sports games. I know people who don't like the snes cause they don't care for platformers and rpg's. Who's right?
So, I say, its hard to argue at all, cause all the systems had great games. Other than the virtual boy and jaguar, how many machines honestly did not have atleast a decent selection of games to play?

[Mathius]

Unless a systems software library sucked so much it was not worth even playing, arguing over it at all does not make sense to me. It does not matter to me how many crap games were made for a system in comparison to good games as long as there are good games and plenty of them. If you make 10,000 games for a system and only 1000 of them are really good, does the system automatically suck? Quality of games is often subjective to based on peoples opinions of what makes a good game. I know people that don't like the sega because they hate sports games. I know people who don't like the snes cause they don't care for platformers and rpg's. Who's right?
So, I say, its hard to argue at all, cause all the systems had great games. Other than the virtual boy and jaguar, how many machines honestly did not have atleast a decent selection of games to play?

This is exactly why I love the 3DO. Most of the library was either ill-conceived or has aged badly, but games like Star Control 2, the best version of Need for Speed 1, Crash 'n Burn, and the Wing Commander games elevate it to a respectable game console.

[Drakon]

It just bothers me when I post that I think the snes has a better library than the genesis and some retard who's against rpgs and platformers responds with "wtf are you smoking?".  There's a huge amount of people out there who agree with me, and one opinionated idiot who's not even willing to try to see things from another perspective really makes me feel like posting elsewhere.  I'm not saying this happened here, but it happened on other forums which I decided to stop posting on because people were so stupid.

Also on the sega16 forums I see people constantly saying that the audio from the genesis is superior to the snes.  Uhm, maybe the genesis audio is less muffled but the snes has more powerful audio hardware, so that's just totally a preference thing.  Personally I'll take the snes audio over the genesis just because I like music having muffled quality samples instead of fm noises.

[HercTNT]

My point is its silly for people to even argue about stuff like that. Fanboyism is a powerful thing though. There are still people who won't play sega/nintendo because of there total utter blind devotion to just one system. To me, those are not real gamers. Real gamers know that good games can be found everywhere. You can argue system specs as well till your blue in the face and the quality of graphics and sound often depends on the talent of the programmers.  There are some truths but a few will always debate them.

The Genesis does have a faster cpu mhz wise than the Super nes. Most techs seem to agree though that the Genny cpu is more general purpose than the Snes cpu.

The Snes can use more colors, display more colors, and has transparency. This does not stop some Snes games though from looking like ass.

The Genesis does have deep rich bass and more chippy sound. The Snes though can produce more orchestrated music.

The Turbo can trump them both in size of sprites and numbers on screen, yet is often left out of 16-bit discussions by the unwashed masses.

Its a cycle that will never end. Even now there are those who will never play an xbox because they are loyal to ps3 and vice versa. Forums are raging as we speak on which system is more powerful.

[Tatsujin]

it's obvious which console is the best ever. why do we need 11 pages of discussions for? lol

[CrackTiger]

It doesn't matter if one hardware is definitely weaker across the board or if it has games that aren't as good by any random means of judgement. If a console has exclusive worthwhile games then it is worth playing them. Even if a group of people are certain that a particular library is better overall, it still completely fails at having the exclusives from any other particular library.

[Joe Redifer]

Why does everyone thing the 3DO has the best version of Need for Speed?  Yeah, the graphics are a bit more rich but they're MUCH slower and there's far less to do in the game.

[Drakon]

Not me.  I play my snes, megadrive, famicom, and pc engine cd all equally as much.  I love all these systems the same but I agree that certain consoles have more purely amazing games in their libraries than others.  People don't even compare the pc engine cd because...uhh...it wasn't huge here?  A lot of great games were japan only releases?

I find a lot of people are crazed with "what they grew up with" and I hate that.  I grew up with a model 1 snes and a toaster nes which I sold because the zif system died and I was 12 and I had a snes anyway.  Now I'm using a snes mini, av famicom, japanese megadrive with a 32x, and a pc engine with the model 1 cd unit (soon I'll also be using a turboduo if all goes well).  I'm also using the japanese controllers on the snes and dog bone nes controllers so I'm certainly not using what I grew up with.

My point is its silly for people to even argue about stuff like that. Fanboyism is a powerful thing though. There are still people who won't play sega/nintendo because of there total utter blind devotion to just one system. To me, those are not real gamers. Real gamers know that good games can be found everywhere. You can argue system specs as well till your blue in the face and the quality of graphics and sound often depends on the talent of the programmers.  There are some truths but a few will always debate them.

The Genesis does have a faster cpu mhz wise than the Super nes. Most techs seem to agree though that the Genny cpu is more general purpose than the Snes cpu.

The Snes can use more colors, display more colors, and has transparency. This does not stop some Snes games though from looking like ass.

The Genesis does have deep rich bass and more chippy sound. The Snes though can produce more orchestrated music.

The Turbo can trump them both in size of sprites and numbers on screen, yet is often left out of 16-bit discussions by the unwashed masses.

Its a cycle that will never end. Even now there are those who will never play an xbox because they are loyal to ps3 and vice versa. Forums are raging as we speak on which system is more powerful.

[Mathius]

Why does everyone thing the 3DO has the best version of Need for Speed?  Yeah, the graphics are a bit more rich but they're MUCH slower and there's far less to do in the game.

The rich graphics are exactly what does it for me. I just enjoy driving through the Alpine and Coastal routes and enjoying the scenery. I don't really play the game to race, and I treat the experience similar to the way I treat a game of Outrun. Now if only the tunes were as good as Outrun's.

[HercTNT]

Not me.  I play my snes, megadrive, famicom, and pc engine cd all equally as much.  I love all these systems the same but I agree that certain consoles have more purely amazing games in their libraries than others.  People don't even compare the pc engine cd because...uhh...it wasn't huge here?  A lot of great games were japan only releases?

I find a lot of people are crazed with "what they grew up with" and I hate that.  I grew up with a model 1 snes and a toaster nes which I sold because the zif system died and I was 12 and I had a snes anyway.  Now I'm using a snes mini, av famicom, japanese megadrive with a 32x, and a pc engine with the model 1 cd unit (soon I'll also be using a turboduo if all goes well).  I'm also using the japanese controllers on the snes and dog bone nes controllers so I'm certainly not using what I grew up with.

My point is its silly for people to even argue about stuff like that. Fanboyism is a powerful thing though. There are still people who won't play sega/nintendo because of there total utter blind devotion to just one system. To me, those are not real gamers. Real gamers know that good games can be found everywhere. You can argue system specs as well till your blue in the face and the quality of graphics and sound often depends on the talent of the programmers.  There are some truths but a few will always debate them.

The Genesis does have a faster cpu mhz wise than the Super nes. Most techs seem to agree though that the Genny cpu is more general purpose than the Snes cpu.

The Snes can use more colors, display more colors, and has transparency. This does not stop some Snes games though from looking like ass.

The Genesis does have deep rich bass and more chippy sound. The Snes though can produce more orchestrated music.

The Turbo can trump them both in size of sprites and numbers on screen, yet is often left out of 16-bit discussions by the unwashed masses.

Its a cycle that will never end. Even now there are those who will never play an xbox because they are loyal to ps3 and vice versa. Forums are raging as we speak on which system is more powerful.

The comment was for everyone in general not just for you.

[Drakon]

Sorry was venting a bit.  Anyway I completely agree that good programming can make any hardware platform shine.

The comment was for everyone in general not just for you.

[HercTNT]

Sorry was venting a bit.  Anyway I completely agree that good programming can make any hardware platform shine.

The comment was for everyone in general not just for you.

like Mathius said above, the 3d0 is often overlooked but has great games. I was not impressed with its 3d, Its 2d is another story ;)

[Drakon]

That's funny my boss at work seems to be all 3do obsessed too.  I've never seen one in action.

Sorry was venting a bit.  Anyway I completely agree that good programming can make any hardware platform shine.

The comment was for everyone in general not just for you.

like Mathius said above, the 3d0 is often overlooked but has great games. I was not impressed with its 3d, Its 2d is another story ;)

[VestCunt]

Why does everyone thing the 3DO has the best version of Need for Speed?  Yeah, the graphics are a bit more rich but they're MUCH slower and there's far less to do in the game.

Do other versions of NFS run faster? I haven't played them, but the slow speed of the 3DO version is an important part of the real-life, simulator feeling, IMO. The 3DO version is great with the analog Flight Stick Pro, too.

[PCEngineHell]

Yeah the PS and Saturn versions run a tad faster, but also visually are weaker and play more arcade like. The best versions of the game are the NFS SE  release for Win95 and NFS for 3DO.

[Joe Redifer]

The PS and Saturn versions have more tracks as well.  The PS version is pretty grainy (like most PS games).

[PCEngineHell]

The PS and Saturn versions have more tracks as well.  The PS version is pretty grainy (like most PS games).

The newer tracks are also on the PC Se release. It was somewhat of a trade off, because the new tracks are not that great, just arcade style tracks, and in the process you lost the smart ass wise  guy present on the 3DO version.

[VestCunt]

That sucks. Mr X was an important, annoying, part of growing up in the Nineties. And it's not like NFS needed more tracks. The fun comes from epic crashes, mastering the cars, and playing the same handful of courses over and over trying to shave off a second or two.

[PCEngineHell]

Yeah exactly. The original tracks were realistic, elaborate road layouts with one on one races involved and plenty of oncoming traffic making it a perfect experience. The car physics seemed to be more realistic too. The later courses added in were just arcade style lap races basically that did not require any real skill or precise timing like the original ones required, and the car physics on Saturn and Ps1 felt dumbed down somewhat taking away from the challenge. I'd always play it on 3DO using the harder to drive cars like the Dodge Viper and manual controls. It really added to the challenge and you really had to plot out your gear shifting. Anyone could jump in on the Saturn or PS1 port though and use the harder cars fairly well right off the bat due to it being dumbed down.

[Joe Redifer]

I think my favorite part of Need for Speed was running over trees.  They'd fall over flat as pancakes.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I also hate when people argue about hardware like this..... But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the genesis has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library..... It just bothers me when I post that I think the snes has a better library than the genesis and some retard who's against rpgs and platformers responds with "wtf are you smoking?".

Yep, no bias here.  Are you sure it's not you that's the flaming retard fanboy?

Your argument is no more legitimate than saying "But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the SNES has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into slow games and hate shewties / sports games then I guess you would consider the SNES to have a better game library."  The point being that not everybody will agree on what quantifies the 'best' library, and no one system has the strongest library in each and every genre; it's plain and simple fanboyism for you to lay down the law and say the SNES's library, sound chip, and whatever other subjective metric you can come up with is unarguably the absolute best.

[geise]

As much as I personally love the pc-e/turbo as being my favorite game library I don't think it has the strongest in terms of the number of games ratio.  I actually think the neo-geo is the king when it comes to game ratio.  There is really only a couple games on the neo that I feel are total turds.

[GohanX]

Why does everyone thing the 3DO has the best version of Need for Speed?  Yeah, the graphics are a bit more rich but they're MUCH slower and there's far less to do in the game.

You know the answer to this, Joe! If a game is released on both an obscure system that nobody has and a popular system that everyone has, the obscure version is the best by default. This is always true, and don't bother arguing with so called "facts" and the fact that you've played both versions even though the fanboy you are arguing against has not.

[Arkhan Asylum]

No RPGs on the Genesis?



No Action games?



no platformers?



Hard Corps is better than Alien Wars, Phantasy Star 2, 3, and 4 are all fucking tits on toast, and Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Rocket Knight , Vector Man, and Ristar all think you're a retard.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

You're clearly on the crack pipe son,  Alien Wars blows Hard Corps out of the water in every category except for challenge. 

Contra III is probably the finest side scrolling run n' gun game ever produced.  Hard Corps is very fun, but isn't in the same league.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Alien Wars is nothing without the Motorcycle level.

Level 1 is just Contra 1 on crack, Level 2 is "why did they do this" Level 3 is alright.  Kinda boring til the end.

Level 4 is YEAHAHAAAAAA

Level 5 is "fuck, whyd they do this!?"

and then Level 6 is "man this is familiar".



Hard Corps has 4 character choices, intenser action, better music, and more challenge.

I choose Hard Corps.

Sheena with the Axe Lazer.

FUCK ALL THE OTHERS.

[PCEngineHell]

Why does everyone thing the 3DO has the best version of Need for Speed?  Yeah, the graphics are a bit more rich but they're MUCH slower and there's far less to do in the game.

You know the answer to this, Joe! If a game is released on both an obscure system that nobody has and a popular system that everyone has, the obscure version is the best by default. This is always true, and don't bother arguing with so called "facts" and the fact that you've played both versions even though the fanboy you are arguing against has not.

I'm not sure if this is meant to be a jab at me, or just a general remark, because I have played/owned every version of NFS pt1 released except the shity Skyline Memorial import, and have been playing NFS1 for years on end now. Unfortunately for Saturn and PS1, their versions were just not as good. It in no way means they are crap though. They were just dumbed down too much on the car handling originally set in the 3DO, and that paired with the higher frame rate, it just felt too arcade like and less like a serious driving sim. This ended up being a problem carried over to NFS II also, and somewhat to NFS 3 until they finally went totally back to their sim roots with Porsche Unleashed and High Stakes.

The best version is of Pt1 is SE on Pc by far, due to the realistic handling, superior visuals and audio both, and all the content contained in the game. The 3DO original is 2nd up easily, because honestly, it was a masterpiece and well ahead of its time, matched only by the original PC non-SE port until PC Se hit the market.

[Mathius]

I also hate when people argue about hardware like this..... But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the genesis has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library..... It just bothers me when I post that I think the snes has a better library than the genesis and some retard who's against rpgs and platformers responds with "wtf are you smoking?".

Yep, no bias here.  Are you sure it's not you that's the flaming retard fanboy?

Your argument is no more legitimate than saying "But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the SNES has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into slow games and hate shewties / sports games then I guess you would consider the SNES to have a better game library."  The point being that not everybody will agree on what quantifies the 'best' library, and no one system has the strongest library in each and every genre; it's plain and simple fanboyism for you to lay down the law and say the SNES's library, sound chip, and whatever other subjective metric you can come up with is unarguably the absolute best.

I don't think I have ever argued that a system is superior to another in my adult life. I just say which I personally enjoy more and leave it at that. Having enough room in my heart for all systems seems to be a rarity among other gamers.

[Drakon]

Yeah I respect peoples opinions it's just silly when people have the mentality that everyone should think their way.  I don't care if other people think certain consoles have better libraries but when they treat me like I'm mental for loving the snes library it's just annoying.

I also hate when people argue about hardware like this..... But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the genesis has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library..... It just bothers me when I post that I think the snes has a better library than the genesis and some retard who's against rpgs and platformers responds with "wtf are you smoking?".

Yep, no bias here.  Are you sure it's not you that's the flaming retard fanboy?

Your argument is no more legitimate than saying "But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the SNES has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into slow games and hate shewties / sports games then I guess you would consider the SNES to have a better game library."  The point being that not everybody will agree on what quantifies the 'best' library, and no one system has the strongest library in each and every genre; it's plain and simple fanboyism for you to lay down the law and say the SNES's library, sound chip, and whatever other subjective metric you can come up with is unarguably the absolute best.

[VestCunt]

Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library.

I grew up with a SNES and I've never been a big Genesis gamer, but I prefer the RPG selection on the Genesis. The Genesis has a lot of nontraditional RPGs, tactical RPGs, Western RPGs, and weird experimental shit.

Other than Zelda, my favorite SNES RPGs are all ports: Ultima, Might and Magic, Eye of the Beholder, Wizardry, Ys, Drakken, etc. I don't like the exclusives: plot-heavy Final Fantasies and Chrono Trigger, formulaic JRPGs like Breath of Fire and Lufia, and cutesy RPG-lites for kids like Paladin's Quest, Mystic Quest, Mario RPG.

I realize this is all personal taste of course. I guess I just hate SNES RPG's because FFVI and Chrono Trigger were a big departure from what I enjoy and I still harbor a grudge for how they redefined the genre.

[Joe Redifer]

I liked Arkhan's post because the pictures kept getting bigger and bigger, giving the whole thing a "Seriously!  Are you kidding me?" vibe.

[Obfuscate]

Wow, someone got all creepy Internet stalked because they said they think the SNES sucks.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Heres my take on the console wars from that era.  Keep in mind, I was 7 when PS1 came out:

MOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I WANT TO PLAY SONIC 2.

AND DONKEY KONG COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*got for birthday and shit along with Mario Kart, Road Runner, Taz for Genesis, and some other stuff*

OH MAN PIRATES OF DARK WATER FOR SNES.  I WANNA PLAY THAT


MAXIMUM CARNAGE FOR GENESIS! ONLY 7$ I WANNA TRY THAT!

*spend a ton of money (30$ is alot when youre 10 or whatever)*

OMG THIS GAME STORE HAS TURBO GRAFX GAMES.  WHAT IS CHINA WARRIOR IM BUYING IT

*bought china warrior and fantasy zone*

*played everything on every system*

VIDEO GAMES ARE FUCKING AWESOME.  WHATS A BIT WAR. IS THAT LIKE, A TINY WAR?

[CrackTiger]

*bump*  I also hate when people argue about hardware like this.  Not just that but I constantly get people arguing with me over which console has the better game library.  I say the snes has the best library ever, certainly better than what you can get for the genesis or even the pce cd.  And the nes has the second best library.  But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the genesis has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library.

Wow, you managed to play through the entire PCE CD library in a couple weeks? How did you manage to clear the RPGs so fast?

Genesis is generally considered the best 16-bit console for action games and SNES the worst for action in general. The Genesis also has many RPG games (WAY more than you think), many of which offer unique experiences that you can't find anything like for SNES. The Genesis/Mega Drive may have fewer traditional JRPG games than the SNES/SFC, but only someone who doesn't appreciate RPGs would limit themself to a single console for them. Especially a strictly cart-based console like the SNES.

[Mathius]

*bump*  I also hate when people argue about hardware like this.  Not just that but I constantly get people arguing with me over which console has the better game library.  I say the snes has the best library ever, certainly better than what you can get for the genesis or even the pce cd.  And the nes has the second best library.  But people start flame wars about me acting like I'm a retard because they think the genesis has a better library of games.  Sure, if you're into crappy games and hate rpgs / action games then I guess you would consider the genesis to have a better game library.

Wow, you managed to play through the entire PCE CD library in a couple weeks? How did you manage to clear the RPGs so fast?

Genesis is generally considered the best 16-bit console for action games and SNES the worst for action in general. The Genesis also has many RPG games (WAY more than you think), many of which offer unique experiences that you can't find anything like for SNES. The Genesis/Mega Drive may have fewer traditional JRPG games than the SNES/SFC, but only someone who doesn't appreciate RPGs would limit themself to a single console for them. Especially a strictly cart-based console like the SNES.

The only RPGs I could get into on the MD is Lunar and Popful Mail. Which is a pity since there are things I enjoy about the Phantasy Star series (especially PSII's graphics!). That series was just too damned difficult and unforgiving for me.

[SamIAm]

With or without the CD add-on, the PCE was only ever on the cutting edge of gaming in one genre, and that's console shooters. Almost everything else is B-grade material that we all love either because of nostalgia or because it's a different flavor than Nintendo or Sega.

RPGs did all right on the PCE-CD thanks to animated scenes and voice acting, but the parts that actually involve pressing buttons are mostly not up to par with the best Square/Enix stuff of any given year. There are also a shit-load of action RPGs, but so many of them are so primitive or so flawed that the PCE still didn't really carry the torch for that genre either.

[Tatsujin]

hmm...

[PCEngineHell]

With or without the CD add-on, the PCE was only ever on the cutting edge of gaming in one genre, and that's console shooters. Almost everything else is B-grade material that we all love either because of nostalgia or because it's a different flavor than Nintendo or Sega.

I fail to see how all the excellent arcade ports, action titles, and rpgs are "B grade" on Tg-16 and Pce. Seriously, you consider the Y's games B grade? You consider Dracula X B grade? Valis 1? Bloody Wolf? Legendary Axe? Splatterhouse? Parasol Stars? Street Fighter 2 Champ? World Heroes 2?  I mean hell, you are aware that all the Neo ports on both Snes and Pce are better on pce, due to the cutting edge technology called ram and cd drives? This kind of applied to any game in general that was present on both systems. And coming up with complicated button schemes and menu systems in a RPG doesn't make it cutting edge, it just makes it overly complicated. And I mean, its not like the Snes has crap, but its just stupid to say that everything bu the shooters on Necs format were B grade compared to Snes.

[CrackTiger]

With or without the CD add-on, the PCE was only ever on the cutting edge of gaming in one genre, and that's console shooters. Almost everything else is B-grade material that we all love either because of nostalgia or because it's a different flavor than Nintendo or Sega.

RPGs did all right on the PCE-CD thanks to animated scenes and voice acting, but the parts that actually involve pressing buttons are mostly not up to par with the best Square/Enix stuff of any given year. There are also a shit-load of action RPGs, but so many of them are so primitive or so flawed that the PCE still didn't really carry the torch for that genre either.

WOW.

[GohanX]

I'm not sure if this is meant to be a jab at me, or just a general remark,

Just a general remark. On NFS specifically, the 3do version is tits, but I've never played any other version.

[HercTNT]

With or without the CD add-on, the PCE was only ever on the cutting edge of gaming in one genre, and that's console shooters. Almost everything else is B-grade material that we all love either because of nostalgia or because it's a different flavor than Nintendo or Sega.

RPGs did all right on the PCE-CD thanks to animated scenes and voice acting, but the parts that actually involve pressing buttons are mostly not up to par with the best Square/Enix stuff of any given year. There are also a shit-load of action RPGs, but so many of them are so primitive or so flawed that the PCE still didn't really carry the torch for that genre either.

Your already taking alot of flak for this i'm sure...........i'm really sorry about that..........but..............HERE COMES SOME MORE!!! GUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA. seriously though, thats your opinion and thats fine, but you are really off base in terms of being objective. Airzonk, Magical chase, Liquid kids, legendary axe 2, bonk, super star soldier, blazing lazers, are not B-grade, not by a mile. The turbo may not have the extensive library of the Genesis or super nes, but there are a ton of gems to be found.