Recording Genesis and Master System games with capture card

Keranu · 12/15/2006, 12:34 AM

I received a capture card for my birthday yesterday and loving it. I tried recording some Genesis footage tonight but the screen had a wavey look to it. I've tried it with a model 1 Genesis using AVs, as well as Master System (with the same AVs) and a CDX but all have the wavey picture, though CDX has a cleaner overall picture (none of those thick vertical lines you see on model 1 Genesis). Is there any way around this? My capture card doesn't support RF, but my brother's does and I'll mess with that later to ese if it eliminates the wave. And before you guys jump on me, NO I am not doing a component mod for any of my consoles

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Joe Redifer · 12/15/2006, 02:36 AM

Well first and foremost you can get rid of the vertical bars on the model 1 Genesis simply by adding a 32X.

Secondly, your capture card might not be able to properly handle 240p. It sees a non480i signal and doesn't know what to do with itself. Try capturing the two player mode from Sonic 2, which is 480i. How does it look?

Keranu · 12/15/2006, 02:55 AM

Thanks for the info, I'll try out Sonic 2's split screen mode and post what happens. In the mean time, here is a video I made recording Shadow Blasters http://www.lazerdorks.org/~keranu/shadowblasters.mpg . You can really tell the waveyness in the level and character select screens since they have a lot of straight lines.

Keranu · 12/15/2006, 03:06 AM

Ok I tried Sonic 2's vs mode and it still looks wavey.

Joe Redifer · 12/15/2006, 04:31 AM

That looks to me like a bad VCR tape. Not sure what could be causing this. Does it do this on Turbo games? How about FM Towns games? Have you tried capturing any Colecovision games?

Keranu · 12/15/2006, 06:12 AM

I've tried a few PCE games the night I got it and they worked fine. I've also tried the Master System as I have mentioned, but haven't tried anything else yet. If I had an FM Towns, you know I'd totally have that hooked up already

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Joe Redifer · 12/15/2006, 06:31 AM

Is it all wavy when you try to capture porn?

I'm going to have to say it's just the way your capture card reacts to Genesis video for some reason. Try capturing it with a properly installed 32X, yo.

Ninja Spirit · 12/15/2006, 04:16 PM

I can't get the video to play off the bat right now, but upload it to YouTube, make it a temporary private video and I'll see if I can come up with a verdict.

Joe Redifer · 12/15/2006, 07:13 PM

It looks like bad time base correction or something.

Keranu · 12/15/2006, 10:21 PM

Quote from: Ninja Spirit on 12/15/2006, 04:16 PMI can't get the video to play off the bat right now, but upload it to YouTube, make it a temporary private video and I'll see if I can come up with a verdict.

CrackTiger · 12/19/2006, 04:22 PM

Have you tried recording with an RF switch? Does your card record cable TV?

Are you lining out the audio through the Genesis' stereo headphone jack or just straight through the A/V cable?

Turbo Duo's often lose picture quality on some TV's if both left and right sound cables aren't fully connected.

Keranu · 12/19/2006, 05:15 PM

Quote from: guest on 12/19/2006, 04:22 PMHave you tried recording with an RF switch? Does your card record cable TV?

My capture card doesn't have RF, but I did test the RF on my brother's capture card and it didn't have the waviness (though it had bad picture, of course).

Quote from: guestAre you lining out the audio through the Genesis' stereo headphone jack or just straight through the A/V cable?

The audio is coming straight from the mono AV cable, though I was thinking about lining the audio through the headphone jack. I'll have to mess with that later and post results.

Joe Redifer · 12/19/2006, 07:29 PM

Have you tried a different cable? I demand that you do. And if you don't, I'll.... do nothing.

Keranu · 12/19/2006, 09:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2006, 07:29 PMHave you tried a different cable? I demand that you do. And if you don't, I'll.... do nothing.

As mentioned in my first post, I have tried it out with a CDX, which uses a different cable, and still got the same results

. Also as posted, I get the same problem when using the Master System hooked up with the mono AV cables of my model 1 Genesis. I'll try messing with some other hardware too, like DVD players, PC-FX, SNES, etc...

Joe Redifer · 12/19/2006, 09:48 PM

Dude, you can't expect me to read your posts and be informed before I reply. That's just completely ridiculous.

Have you tried the AV in on your brother's capture card? No, not RF, but AV in?

Keranu · 12/19/2006, 10:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2006, 09:48 PMDude, you can't expect me to read your posts and be informed before I reply. That's just completely ridiculous.

Dude, quit eating RaisinBars and get with it! This guy seems to be with it:

Quote from: Joe RediferHave you tried the AV in on your brother's capture card ? No, not RF, but AV in ?

Unfortunately my brother's capture card only does S-video and RF, so if I use composite hook ups, it will look all messed up in S-Video mode.

Joe Redifer · 12/19/2006, 10:24 PM

Have you tried any games that are better than Shadow Blasters and Sonic 2? Your card might need a bit more "awesome" to work properly, and Shadow Blasters won't cut it. Try Tommy Lasorda Baseball.

cavein2000 · 12/19/2006, 10:25 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 12/19/2006, 10:14 PMThis guy seems to be with it:

Who is that guy anyway ? The face of TG16!! Can someone find out ?

Keranu · 12/19/2006, 10:30 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2006, 10:24 PMHave you tried any games that are better than Shadow Blasters and Sonic 2? Your card might need a bit more "awesome" to work properly, and Shadow Blasters won't cut it. Try Tommy Lasorda Baseball.

Dude, Shadow Blasters is one of the most jawesome games ever made, along with Insector X and King's Bounty. I guess the problem is that no capture card is awesome/jawesome enough to play these incredible games.

Joe Redifer · 12/19/2006, 10:50 PM

I've figured out your problem!!!!! I can't believe nobody caught this before!!!

The Genesis is a high definition video game system like the Xbox360 or the PlayStation 3... perhaps even a bit more powerful than those two combined. It is much too powerful for your capture card, which is only wimpy standard definition. Don't try to capture the Genesis' amazing HD graphics with a non-HD graphics card.

See that ? "High Definition Graphics".
They wouldn't have put that there
if it weren't 100% true.

Keranu · 12/19/2006, 11:33 PM

Holy crap, I didn't even think of that. The Genesis is in HD! Where can I find a capture card capable of accurately recording the Genesis' high definition graphics? Also, does this mean that the Master System has high definition graphics as well?

Joe Redifer · 12/20/2006, 12:53 AM

No, the Master System is only EDTV.

Dark Fact · 12/20/2006, 01:03 AM

Quote from: KeranuWho is that guy anyway? The face of TG16!! Can someone find out?

Didn't I see that guy on Beverly Hills 90210?

Keranu · 12/20/2006, 01:05 AM

Dude that guy is everwhere, especially night clubs of the early 1990's.

Joe Redifer · 12/20/2006, 01:06 AM

I never understood why they didn't make a game starring that guy. It's not too late!

Keranu · 12/20/2006, 02:06 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/20/2006, 01:06 AMI never understood why they didn't make a game starring that guy. It's not too late!

Hmm, very good idea. I say we all team up and make one.

TR0N · 12/20/2006, 03:03 AM

Quote from: Keranu on 12/19/2006, 10:14 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2006, 09:48 PMDude, you can't expect me to read your posts and be informed before I reply. That's just completely ridiculous.
Dude, quit eating RaisinBars and get with it! This guy seems to be with it:

Quote from: Joe RediferHave you tried the AV in on your brother's capture card ? No, not RF, but AV in ?
Unfortunately my brother's capture card only does S-video and RF, so if I use composite hook ups, it will look all messed up in S-Video mode.

Is it me or does that guy look like JD Roth from gamepro tv jk

PCEngineHell · 12/20/2006, 11:41 AM

Nah,JD Roth is a skinnier little bitch compared to the mighty Turbo Teen with his charming good looks and his awesome"Im having a blast with China Warrior!" smile.

rolins · 12/20/2006, 02:01 PM

@Keranu

What's the brand and model of the capture card?

Also what software are you using?

More info would be helpful.

Keranu · 12/20/2006, 06:12 PM

Capture card: KWORLD DVD Maker PCI
Software: Ulead Video Studio 9's Movie Maker. I've also tried using this PVR program and got the same results.

rolins · 12/20/2006, 06:38 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 12/20/2006, 06:12 PMCapture card: KWORLD DVD Maker PCI
Software: Ulead Video Studio 9's Movie Maker. I've also tried using this PVR program and got the same results.

How about giving a go with Virtualdub? It's freeware program for video editing and capturing. Might as well try it, who knows it might solve your problems too.
http://www.virtualdub.org/

Keranu · 12/20/2006, 07:03 PM

Thanks, I'll try giving it a go.

Joe Redifer · 12/20/2006, 07:28 PM

This doesn't happen when I capture in Final Cut Pro (I don't have a capture card, I use an external DV hardware codec converter which plugs into Mr. Firewire Port). On a scale of 1 to 3, how much does this information help your current situation?

Hobo Xiphas · 12/21/2006, 10:25 PM

VirtualDub is also the program that Yakumo uses on RetroCore, so you know it must be good!

Keranu · 12/21/2006, 10:37 PM

Oh goodie! Open source + Yakumo? Too good to be true!

PCEngineHell · 12/21/2006, 11:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2006, 10:50 PMI've figured out your problem!!!!! I can't believe nobody caught this before!!!

The Genesis is a high definition video game system like the Xbox360 or the PlayStation 3... perhaps even a bit more powerful than those two combined. It is much too powerful for your capture card, which is only wimpy standard definition. Don't try to capture the Genesis' amazing HD graphics with a non-HD graphics card.

See that ? "High Definition Graphics".
They wouldn't have put that there
if it weren't 100% true.

System does do RGB output....

GUTS · 12/22/2006, 02:54 PM

It was higher definition than the NES and SMS, so it was true at the time.

Ninja Spirit · 12/22/2006, 04:25 PM

Guys I got some groundbreaking news. I found a new program called the "ZD Soft Game Recorder". And let me tell ya, this blows FRAPS out of the water! In fact just think of it as a mix of FRAPS and Tech Smith's screen capture programs like Camtasia and SnagIt.

www.zdsoft.com

And a video I made of one of the results.

Ever since I found this program, I haven't used the built-in AVI record feature in emulators, and Keranu if the preview screen itself doesn't have waves and only does when you're done capturing, you can also probably cheat your capture card with this thing and successfully get a good Sega video

Best thing about it, you can also record in MPEG for this thing so that you possibly won't have to go and compress it.

Keranu · 12/22/2006, 09:12 PM

Nice find on that ZDsoft program, I'll use it for games I can't capture on real hardware. Thanks!

rolins · 12/22/2006, 10:08 PM

@Ninja Spirit

ZD Soft Game Recorder seems too good to come true. I'll try it out sometime next week b/c after x-mas I'll be posting a ton of videos.

I've collect a lot of new games for the FM-Towns and PC-98 that I want to show them everyone.

CrackTiger · 12/22/2006, 11:16 PM

Keranu, do you have a Turbo Duo or PCE system with the DIN/TG-16 controller port sized A/V plug?

If so, try recording from that with only video and then with only video + one sound channel to see if you get the same wavy effect.

Keranu · 12/22/2006, 11:52 PM

Quote from: guest on 12/22/2006, 11:16 PMKeranu, do you have a Turbo Duo or PCE system with the DIN/TG-16 controller port sized A/V plug?

If so, try recording from that with only video and then with only video + one sound channel to see if you get the same wavy effect.

Yeah I have a Turbo Duo with that A/V cable. I'll give your suggestion a try if i can remember.

Ninja Spirit · 12/23/2006, 03:51 AM

Quote from: rolins on 12/22/2006, 10:08 PM@Ninja Spirit

ZD Soft Game Recorder seems too good to come true. I'll try it out sometime next week b/c after x-mas I'll be posting a ton of videos.

I've collect a lot of new games for the FM-Towns and PC-98 that I want to show them everyone.

Oh this ZD is for real alright dawg! My last batch of videos for the past couple of days have been Wonderswan/Wonderswan Color and Neo Geo Pocket Color, plus one MSX game.

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