A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.

[PCEngineHell]

Would some one please just make Mike a mod so we won't have to deal with this shit anymore?

No thanks, I'll pass. Maybe Sparky or Arkhan or something if they would like.

[Gogan]

Again, NecroPhile for mod!

[thesteve]

or bmw

[tiptopjames]

The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love assholes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.

The only "I don't want more rules" option is basically "I don't what more rules because I love assholes" so it's possible that not everyone voted.

exactly is either you go along with profs idea or you love asshole so how is that not one sided. there have been plenty of new members with successful sales vid of drama and non for prices.

Given this poll has run for 9 days and no ones popped on to specifically post saying thats why they have not voted, thats just speculation in favor of the minority, implying its far larger then what it obviously is. The fact is, not having a dealer rule set in place has supported the current asshole reseller problem currently on hand. Buying from said assholes means supporting said assholes, because you are doing exactly what they want. The main buyers from them seem to be the minority. You may not like the wording, because its brutal honesty doesn't paint said whining minority in a positive light, but sorry, there's no way you can spin that shit any other way.

There is NOTHING positive about buying from, and thus supporting, noob brat asshole resellers. They come here and get exactly what they want. It sends the wrong message, that they can come here, walk all over anyone they choose, then leave, and the bulk of us will put up with it so that the few who bought from them can get their supposed good deals (that have to be haggled for half the time anyway and end up just being ebay prices mainly). A rule set in place would, if not eliminate it completely, then at least minimize these issues. Those who love buying games from people will still be able to do so from said new sellers willing to stick it out and go through the proper process. Those not willing to stick it out, they can be shown the door. This kind of system works on multiple other FAR LARGER forums. There is ZERO reason why it would not work here as well. No ones asking moderators to step in and suggest pricing, trade values, etc. Just simply set up some requirements and enforce them regarding new people joining here.

That is exactly why I didn't vote

[thesteve]

i too didnt vote for the same reason

[RoyVegas]

I did vote but I wasn't a fan of the options.

[Keith Courage]

I think anyone regaurdless of being new or not has a right to sell their stuff. If they are asking too much money then it's easy to just not buy instead of making someone out as being an asshole. It's also easy to decide not to purchase anything based on trust. So it is the buyers choice wheather to purchase anything or not. No one is forcing the members here to buy what is for sale.

Why is it a problem if someone buys a few games at a yard sale and then comes here to sell them at a small profit? Especially if said game or games are hard to find ones. This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.  

This is why I voted for assholes since it was the closest option.

[DildoKKKobold]

This is why I voted for assholes since it was the closest option. 

This is a great out of context quote.

[PCEngineHell]

I think anyone regaurdless of being new or not has a right to sell their stuff. If they are asking too much money then it's easy to just not buy instead of making someone out as being an asshole. It's also easy to decide not to purchase anything based on trust. So it is the buyers choice wheather to purchase anything or not. No one is forcing the members here to buy what is for sale.

Why is it a problem if someone buys a few games at a yard sale and then comes here to sell them at a small profit? Esepcially if said game or games are hard to find ones. This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.  

This is why I voted for assholes since it was the closest option.

One problem here is with your opening statement. Yes, they have a right to sell them in general. They have ebay, craigslist, etc. But here no one should simply feel they are entitled to sell anything right from the get go, yet you have people signing up here and pulling shit they obviously would not get away with on any other forum (and no I am not referring to the prices).

This is a forum. Rights are not handed out here freely. You don't have unlimited freedom of speech, freedom to do as you want, where you want, when you want, posting exactly what you want, whether it be porn or whatever on this forum. There are rules and limits, but unfortunately when Nanto tossed the sales section together he didn't have the forethought to put any in place really on this part of the forum, and the fact that you are not even hearing any opinions from mods on this matter right now is damning in and of itself.

Also, sadly its not like anyone is making anyone out to be a asshole. Their posting behavior, constant contradicting, packing jobs, and double dealing is what makes them an asshole. I really don't care where said person got said games, nor that they come here to sell them. You are turning this into a "not being able to sell at all" sort of thing, which it is not. Its called a restriction for new accounts.

As said prior multiple times, a small post count requirement and being able to provide references works out well on multiple other forums. Many have a feedback system too in place to post positive feedback for buyers and seller, or to report problems so it will be on record. Or, hell even in the extreme case of Vogons, you have no "for sale" section at all, and by proxy, ZERO issues there concerning the matters this forum has currently been facing in the sales section.

This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere.

Also, so far pretty much everything being posted here for sale on PCE and Tg16 can be found elsewhere, so that is really a non-existent issue. Between ebay, craigslist, amazon, rakuten, yahoo japan, other game forums, etc, pretty much everything can be found for a price, and given the recent trend, when people bring the stuff here, no one has really been saving any big bucks, especially on the rarer top tier titles. Everyone is expecting BIN, or near BIN prices, and you are getting less protection as a buyer because you are doing blind buys from unproven sellers.

For some people, a few in the minorities, I'd say their hate of ebay even has made them so blind to the facts and desperate that they are willing to rely on these shady or unproven sources regardless. Buyers out on the fringe of the market place, basically willing to do anything to avoid buying on ebay because of supposed resellers trumped up prices, in the end supporting the same exact resellers anyway because those said people are coming here after not finding buyers on ebay. Its stupidity at its worst, and a few of you are actively taking part in it often here.

Steve and other guy who I forgot to remember the name of, if I added your "against rules in place" votes to the tally, it would be 33 votes in favor of, and 19 against now. Still quite a minority concerning those who are opposed.

NOTE: Just to be a smart ass, its very possible there are those in favor of a rule set being put in place, but simply did not vote because I was the one who started the poll. Its also possible the same people didn't vote because the sky wasn't green last thursday, or two weeks ago ground beef wasn't on sale at their local market. Its also very possible that after a certain point, the numbers don't fucking matter, because you obviously have a large enough chunk of people here flat out saying there's something broken here that needs to be fixed, and their complaints are being attacked by a few who possibly have their own agenda, and by others who are simply paranoid that no one will sell games here anymore if they have to actually participate in the forum.

[PunkCryborg]

Ok it's settled! PCEngineHell is always right!
/end thread

[PCEngineHell]

Ok it's settled! PCEngineHell is always right!
/end thread

Only 90 percent right, similar to 90 percent new. Also, did you know, I'm a pawnbroker.

[VestCunt]

I think anyone regaurdless of being new or not has a right to sell their stuff. If they are asking too much money then it's easy to just not buy instead of making someone out as being an asshole. It's also easy to decide not to purchase anything based on trust. So it is the buyers choice wheather to purchase anything or not. No one is forcing the members here to buy what is for sale.

Why is it a problem if someone buys a few games at a yard sale and then comes here to sell them at a small profit? Esepcially if said game or games are hard to find ones. This gives us forum members a chance to get some games that we may never be able to find elsewhere. 

This is why I voted for assholes since it was the closest option. 

You're completely missing the point. The issue isn't prices or profits or PCEFX members making new sellers out to be assholes (although it's happened and you're welcome to start a new topic), it's that many members who join to sell ARE assholes. Fact: Xray, Canada, Enix, Johnny Blaze, Saturn, Retrohungry, et al. have left a negative impact on a lot of people. Adding a probationary period or post requirement is a logical way of preventing future innocents.

Now, if it's not a concern for you and you don't mind sifting through noob diapers for an occasional golden nugget, that's fine, but don't ignore eight pages of evidence and claim that sellers can do no wrong.

Finally, since you guys keep missing the point and bringing up prices and profits, I'm going to take issue with your hypothetical yard sale example. Yes, there is something wrong with buying unwanted games to resell them for a "small profit". And there's something wrong with DK's friend who sits at work refreshing his browser every 15 minutes looking to flip newly listed BINs. It's everyday greed. I've been guilty of it too and it's not the worst thing in the world, but it's ruining our hobby. There's no "cartel" and no grand conspiracy to blame for hyper inflation, impossible-to-find games, and our 200+ gouging thread, just lots of greedy commoners and business as usual. And let's not minimize their effect with this "small profit" nonsense. Anyone who's signing up on the PCEFX forums to flip games they bought at a rummage sale is not a casual schmuck. They're most likely active dealers/collectors who know exactly what the games sell for and are seeking to maximize profits. Easy bulk sales and no fees provide a good incentive for resellers to join here. They may not get as much as they can eventually gouge on ebay if they let a BIN sit for weeks, but there are enough impatient collectors here to give them more than the auction rate. All they have to do is ask for $5 less than the BIN du jour and they're guaranteed a quick sale. This may be easy to justify on a small scale, but it's the same mentality that drives people like Alexsduo's contact sitting on 7 copies of MC for "investment purposes." When you defend this with your Normal-Rockwell examples and free market rhetoric, you're advocating greed.

[esteban]

In case it wasn't clear on page 1 and 2 of this thread, I am in favor of restrictions. Yes, I know that some folks will simply post garbage/filler until they reach the minimum post limit, but at least it will filter out a few charlatans.

Realistically, I don't know if this restriction will solve our problems, or if it will be implemented, but I'm willing to give it a try. The Grand Experiment, as it were.

I WANT ME SOME NUGGETS.

[DildoKKKobold]

You're completely missing the point. The issue isn't prices or profits or PCEFX members making new sellers out to be assholes (although it's happened and you're welcome to start a new topic), it's that many members who join to sell ARE assholes. Fact: Xray, Canada, Enix, Johnny Blaze, Saturn, Retrohungry, et al. have left a negative impact on a lot of people.

Oh please. Aside from the one racist guy, none of these guys were anything more than slight irritants. In reality, the threads when a new seller like Saturn start provide the old guys something to do. You of all people should talk, seeing as you got your rocks off by going in that thread and exacerbating the situation, and inciting a flame war with the seller. Now you come out with a "think of the children" style rhetorical that is laughably pathetic.

Finally, since you guys keep missing the point and bringing up prices and profits, I'm going to take issue with your hypothetical yard sale example. Yes, there is something wrong with buying unwanted games to resell them for a "small profit". And there's something wrong with DK's friend who sits at work refreshing his browser every 15 minutes looking to flip newly listed BINs. It's everyday greed. I've been guilty of it too and it's not the worst thing in the world, but it's ruining our hobby. There's no "cartel" and no grand conspiracy to blame for hyper inflation, impossible-to-find games, and our 200+ gouging thread, just lots of greedy commoners and business as usual. And let's not minimize their effect with this "small profit" nonsense. Anyone who's signing up on the PCEFX forums to flip games they bought at a rummage sale is not a casual schmuck. They're most likely active dealers/collectors who know exactly what the games sell for and are seeking to maximize profits. Easy bulk sales and no fees provide a good incentive for resellers to join here. They may not get as much as they can eventually gouge on ebay if they let a BIN sit for weeks, but there are enough impatient collectors here to give them more than the auction rate. All they have to do is ask for $5 less than the BIN du jour and they're guaranteed a quick sale. This may be easy to justify on a small scale, but it's the same mentality that drives people like Alexsduo's contact sitting on 7 copies of MC for "investment purposes." When you defend this with your Normal-Rockwell examples and free market rhetoric, you're advocating greed.

Way to evoke two logical fallacies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

I'm sure your response to me will be littered with this fallacy as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

If anything, new seller threads create drama in this forum, which attracts some of the older forum members like moths to a flame, even if they aren't buying. They show up in droves to offer their two cents lambasting the most recent new seller.

[HercTNT]

Ok it's settled! PCEngineHell is always right!
/end thread

Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?

[Mathius]

I don't care for a lot of the personalities over at Neo-Geo.com but their feedback system is nice. Implement something like that please.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Even DigitalPiss has a feedback system!

[SignOfZeta]

Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means? 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110712004821AAzt9Py

[PCEngineHell]

Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110712004821AAzt9Py

So basically in your lame little imaginary world you consider me in the ranks of the like of a comic book character, Batman in this case, and somehow imagine yourself and a few others as equals to said characters villains that he opposes, that also happen to terrorize the city Gotham. Does that explain why over the years you've just happened to be a dick face in general to random people, because you consider yourself as some PCEFX super villain, similar to the Joker? In your mind this forum is your Gotham, and you spend time pulling off what you deem epic hijinks that always end in fail? Ahh well, at least you're being honest with yourself here.


edit: just for you and your imaginary gang of villains Zeta.

/mehgang.jpg

[esteban]

Political Scientists should be observing and studying our feeble attempts to govern ourselves.

[VestCunt]

Aside from the one racist guy, none of these guys were anything more than slight irritants.

So... two of my examples were before your time, the racist guy was a freak anomaly, and the noob seller insulting a member's wife in his signature is a "slight irritant." Gotcha. Thanks for your input. Go tell that to the husband.

Instead of linking freshman bullshit on wikipedia, try stringing a couple sentences together, staying on topic, and making a point for once in your life. There's a difference between a microcosm and a slippery slope. The human-waste resellers squabbling over garage sale toys at 6:30AM are EXACTLY the same as the POS investor sitting on seven copies of MC. If you gave two shits about gaming you wouldn't be defending them. The chance of KC's hypothetical, non-nonchalant shopper finding cheap TG games in the wild, knowing what they are, knowing what they're worth, not wanting to play them, and waiting for an account activation at PCEFX to resell them to strangers for a "small" profit is nil. Sure, it's hard to pass a deal when it stares you straight in the face, but the motivation is greed and anyone signing up here for that reason is 99% likely to be an actively gouging douche. Gouging douches are usually assholes. Let's make them get a hundred posts under their belt so we don't get the first-post sales and second-post F-bombs like we saw here last week.

[CGQuarterly]

DK is all about the buying & selling, so the last thing that he wants is an obstacle between himself and someone trying to take his money.  The fact that he's constantly so out of touch with what's going on around here certainly supports that theory.

Chris

[thesteve]

wasnt the racist the same one that insulted the wife?

[VestCunt]

Xray was the racist; Canada had the special signature.

[esteban]

UPDATE: The Professor and I were chatting over coffee this morning and he noted that if we can't sort this problem out using logic and reasoned arguments, we should--at the very least--hold a séance to contact gamers from the (n)etherworld. Initially, I told him he was batsh*t crazy, but as I finished my fifth cup of joe, he wisely said, "Hey, you never know." I concur.

wasnt the racist the same one that insulted the wife?

Even the racist had better sense than to insult a member's wife!

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Ok it's settled! PCEngineHell is always right!
/end thread

Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means? 

This isn't exactly something that was just recently brought up with the creation of this thread.  We've been asking/PMing/fucking begging the powers that be here for similar systems in order to keep track of new people that come in here looking to take advantage of the community.  A thread from over two years ago talked about the same idea, and a mod (Nat) actually mentioned that he would run some ideas past Aaron.  We never heard anything after that.  About our only shot is having a reputable member or moderator with close connection to Aaron get his attention and get him to make a change or appoint someone to do it. 

Even the racist had better sense than to insult a member's wife!

Even the racist.   

[esteban]

[MotherGunner]

Ok it's settled! PCEngineHell is always right!
/end thread

Why is it when mike says something that alot of people are thinking, he's immediatly targeted. And why are people blowing this out of context. No one is asking for martial law here, just a system that will keep the greedy gold digging noobs in check. If your a good buyer/seller and have nothing to hide, whats the big deal? the restrictions that mike has proposed are far more tame then what some have asked for and he's the bad guy? We should have a system in place. whats wrong with taking pride in this forum and protecting it from those who only use it as an end to there means? 

This isn't exactly something that was just recently brought up with the creation of this thread.  We've been asking/PMing/fucking begging the powers that be here for similar systems in order to keep track of new people that come in here looking to take advantage of the community.  A thread from over two years ago talked about the same idea, and a mod (Nat) actually mentioned that he would run some ideas past Aaron.  We never heard anything after that.  About our only shot is having a reputable member or moderator with close connection to Aaron get his attention and get him to make a change or appoint someone to do it. 

Even the racist had better sense than to insult a member's wife!

Even the racist.   

It was also discussed here years ago and Aaron had already formed an opinion.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=8765.msg149288#msg149288

[PCEngineHell]

Yeah, I see. The one where he didn't have the time to care because he was out of touch or something or another. Its easy to not see a problem or care when you don't have an attachment to your own user base.

[HercTNT]

People can come to this site with their turbo/Pce hardware and literally have it resurrected from death. Systems can not only be fixed like new, but modded to perform even better than the original. How can even the most jaded of old timers not appreciate that, let alone advancements made in just the last year. you can now buy cheap flash cards, Larger better screens for your portable, controller ports, rechargeable batteries, etc....... I'm not sure how many other sights offer this same level of technical and community support. I do know that i for one, am impressed by what people here are capable of. I'm also thrilled to be able to get amazing deals on games that I have not been able to get anywhere else. Maybe this is huge wishful thinking on my part, but I would want to protect that, then let this place turn into a dumping ground for greedy sellers and demanding noobs. Its obvious that there are huge differences in opinions on what needs to be done here. I just hope that everyone understands this site does have alot more to offer than just cheap games or flashy trinkets.

[MotherGunner]

Herc that's an excellent point.  To this day I cherish the friendships, knowledge, and all around GREAT times I've had here over the years and shared with all of you.  We've seen many milestones that were just too awesome to forget.

Off the top of my head:

-D-Lite (Both positives and negatives)
-Moderator Impeached
-Nintega
-My pal Mike kicking ass and taking names in defense of others
-Fighting Street is Born
-Asshole Fucked Me Over
-Advancements in Tech Work (Via Oustanding individuals like Keith, Beemer, Steve, and others)
-Sparky
-Homebrew Releases
-Ark Vs Roy
-SeymorOnion
-JelloSlug (fingers crossed)
-The PCEFX Raffle is born
-Turbobs!
-PCEFX Secret Santa is born
-Great deals by sellers for buyers (and paying it forward)
-PCEFX Blackout Scare of 2011
...and many more I didn't mention or yet to come; wouldn't miss it for the world!
 

[CGQuarterly]

Unfortunately, I think we're just going to have to live with the fact that there are always going to be newb dumpers coming around, and there is always going to be a subculture of people here who are willing to deal with them because they want a complete collection above all else.  Some guys have deep pockets and just don't give a shit, and that's why the dumpers keep coming around.

Chris

[PCEngineHell]

We could just blame it all on Darkkobold. God knows he'd have it coming.

[MotherGunner]

Unfortunately, I think we're just going to have to live with the fact that there are always going to be newb dumpers coming around, and there is always going to be a subculture of people here who are willing to deal with them because they want a complete collection above all else.  Some guys have deep pockets and just don't give a shit, and that's why the dumpers keep coming around.

Chris

Yeah, I accepted that two years ago with that exchange with Aaron.  You're absolutely right, Chris. Most of the time, I have been indifferent, hell, I tried to diffuse the Sega situation.  With this last guy, I felt compelled to break my neutrality about it because of my previous back and forth with him on Ebay and it bothered me that much that he came here with his pompous attitude that I baited him to show here for you all. On a side note, I love how he mentioned that everything was "sold" but what he really did was take what was left of the lot and reposted it back to Ebay.  (Oh yes he DID!)  So I'm glad he people didn't get screwed and the ones who did buy, more power to them, they seem to have gotten good deals.  I may or may not be vocal with the next guy as at the end of the day, I trust my friends here to smell the cheese but not fall for the trap.  =P

[thesteve]

much of my mod/repair work comes from nubes, without issues

[BigusSchmuck]

Lets not forget the schmuck who put my personal info up just because his games didn't get there fast enough. *shiver* At least now hes somewhat reformed.

[SegaSaturn51195]

If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.

[thesteve]

perhaps a simple dont feed the trolls, is a better policy.

[Bernie]

If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.

Hold on now SS.  While his idea may not be perfect, I do agree that something should be put in place.  You may have had some decent deals with some folks here, myself included, however your attitude in your sales thread was a huge turn off.

[SignOfZeta]

Herc that's an excellent point.  To this day I cherish the friendships, knowledge, and all around GREAT times I've had here over the years and shared with all of you.  We've seen many milestones that were just too awesome to forget.

Off the top of my head:

-D-Lite (Both positives and negatives)
-Moderator Impeached
-Nintega
-My pal Mike kicking ass and taking names in defense of others
-Fighting Street is Born
-Asshole Fucked Me Over
-Advancements in Tech Work (Via Oustanding individuals like Keith, Beemer, Steve, and others)
-Sparky
-Homebrew Releases
-Ark Vs Roy
-SeymorOnion
-JelloSlug (fingers crossed)
-The PCEFX Raffle is born
-Turbobs!
-PCEFX Secret Santa is born
-Great deals by sellers for buyers (and paying it forward)
-PCEFX Blackout Scare of 2011
...and many more I didn't mention or yet to come; wouldn't miss it for the world!
 

That stuff is all great, really it is, but WTF does it have to do with this topic? I mean, you want to "protect" all that as if its...threatened or something? I don't get it. I don't see dumper noobs as being likely to make that go away. In fact, much of that stuff was spawned, directly or indirect, by noob/dumper culture. Raffles for example, would they feel so good if there weren't so many greedy assholes around here? Roy is a constant source if amusement and he's the absolute personification of "shitty forum member".

I think we might actually need the assholes. By the standards if other forums we ARE the assholes.

Ark is basically a superhero to us, but he's banned from some other more sophisticated forums (ones with feedback systems and seller qualifications). Mike has done at least as much stalking as Nintenga. Sure, it's mostly benifitial, but it doesn't make it any less asbo. He scours the Internet HARD for info on basically everyone. I've never fucked over anyone on this forum, never overplayed or overcharged, never did shifty mod work, never brought anyone's family members into flame wars, never said anything racist or homophobic, yet that dude is posting photoshopped pictures of me that I don't even know where he even got. He's an obsessed vigilante nut ball. That would not be taken lightly on many many other forums. If he's got a secret file on me, then he's got one for all of us. If this forum were somehow absorbed into another website (remember when that was happening?) pretty much ALL the old members would be banned for being antagonistic foul mouthed assholes. The noobs would probably safe though, since all they want to do is buy and sell and capitalism is very popular.

Anyway, this place is great. I say we learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, learn to take care of ourselves. The vast majority of the "fucking over" is self inflicted anyway. It's mostly noobs with overhyped US stuff screwing over other, more or less equally noob collector types who want to complete a US set of a system in a short span of time. You rarely hear about people getting the bad end of a deal on Kaze Kiri or Drac X, it's almost always to do with a cardboard box or something stupid like that.

[HercTNT]

If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.

You have not been here long enough to have an opinion like that unless you have a bitter axe to grind. Its not like your comment is way off base or anything like that, just kinda ignorant.

[VestCunt]

[VestCunt]

If Professor is suggesting it, you know it's a bad idea. I think a good policy is to do the opposite of what he suggests.

Three threads on PCEFX: "Should we require a post count to inhibit asshole noob resellers like SegaSaturn51195?"
SegaSaturn51195: "No."

Thanks for your input!

[PCEngineHell]

Herc that's an excellent point.  To this day I cherish the friendships, knowledge, and all around GREAT times I've had here over the years and shared with all of you.  We've seen many milestones that were just too awesome to forget.

Off the top of my head:

-D-Lite (Both positives and negatives)
-Moderator Impeached
-Nintega
-My pal Mike kicking ass and taking names in defense of others
-Fighting Street is Born
-Asshole Fucked Me Over
-Advancements in Tech Work (Via Oustanding individuals like Keith, Beemer, Steve, and others)
-Sparky
-Homebrew Releases
-Ark Vs Roy
-SeymorOnion
-JelloSlug (fingers crossed)
-The PCEFX Raffle is born
-Turbobs!
-PCEFX Secret Santa is born
-Great deals by sellers for buyers (and paying it forward)
-PCEFX Blackout Scare of 2011
...and many more I didn't mention or yet to come; wouldn't miss it for the world!
 

That stuff is all great, really it is, but WTF does it have to do with this topic? I mean, you want to "protect" all that as if its...threatened or something? I don't get it. I don't see dumper noobs as being likely to make that go away. In fact, much of that stuff was spawned, directly or indirect, by noob/dumper culture. Raffles for example, would they feel so good if there weren't so many greedy assholes around here? Roy is a constant source if amusement and he's the absolute personification of "shitty forum member".

I think we might actually need the assholes. By the standards if other forums we ARE the assholes.

Ark is basically a superhero to us, but he's banned from some other more sophisticated forums (ones with feedback systems and seller qualifications). Mike has done at least as much stalking as Nintenga. Sure, it's mostly benifitial, but it doesn't make it any less asbo. He scours the Internet HARD for info on basically everyone. I've never fucked over anyone on this forum, never overplayed or overcharged, never did shifty mod work, never brought anyone's family members into flame wars, never said anything racist or homophobic, yet that dude is posting photoshopped pictures of me that I don't even know where he even got. He's an obsessed vigilante nut ball. That would not be taken lightly on many many other forums. If he's got a secret file on me, then he's got one for all of us. If this forum were somehow absorbed into another website (remember when that was happening?) pretty much ALL the old members would be banned for being antagonistic foul mouthed assholes. The noobs would probably safe though, since all they want to do is buy and sell and capitalism is very popular.

Anyway, this place is great. I say we learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, learn to take care of ourselves. The vast majority of the "fucking over" is self inflicted anyway. It's mostly noobs with over hyped US stuff screwing over other, more or less equally noob collector types who want to complete a US set of a system in a short span of time. You rarely hear about people getting the bad end of a deal on Kaze Kiri or Drac X, it's almost always to do with a cardboard box or something stupid like that.

Are you, idk, actually wallowing in self-pity here? Besides the whole "I didn't do anything to anyone" bit which is laughable at best because you've picked countless fights with people at every turn (most of which you lose unless the member is a noob or something), ragging on people for their complaints, then passing off said complaints as your own on your podcast, you also stalk certain members at every turn. You don't see me posting in or following up on your threads much, right? Yet you seem to have this creepy thing going on where you will be tailing my post and threads often, much in the same way someone like Nintega would. Is it because you just want any kind of attention at all, even if its bad? Do you somehow need me to notice you or something? You supposedly don't like me, so why follow me around so much creep? Just put me on ignore and move on. But no, somehow you envisioned this as some struggle the likes of which compares to Batman, with you in the role as the Joker, battling for high stakes. Unfortunately for you, you're just a hypocrite and nothing like the such occurs.
 


As for not ripping anyone off, no, it does not seem you have. But also, you actually have not DONE anything FOR anyone most of the time. No one ever sees you going out of your way to help anyone, and you have even been spotted at times posting telling people how fucking stupid you think they are for paying what they did for certain games, like its any of your fucking business to begin with. Its fairly simple Zeta, you don't want any conflict, you don't go looking for it. You good sir just happen to look for it often, and you do it because you are a dick, plain and simple. Seriously, try going 6 months without stalking ole Professor around the forums, commenting in mah threads, replying to mah post. For that matter, try to go 6 weeks even without just being a dick in general to some guy here. I seriously don't think you can manage it. If you want friends Zeta, you make friends. It will require you from downgrading your creep status though by about 70 percent at least, and to start getting emotionally invested in something here that is beneficial to most of the members.

[MotherGunner]

That stuff is all great, really it is, but WTF does it have to do with this topic?

You DID see the context based on Herc's original comments right?  TWTF it has to do with this topic.   

Mike has done at least as much stalking as Nintenga. Sure, it's mostly beneficial, but it doesn't make it any less asbo. He scours the Internet HARD for info on basically everyone. I've never fucked over anyone on this forum, never overplayed or overcharged, never did shifty mod work, never brought anyone's family members into flame wars, never said anything racist or homophobic, yet that dude is posting photoshopped pictures of me that I don't even know where he even got. He's an obsessed vigilante nut ball. That would not be taken lightly on many many other forums. If he's got a secret file on me, then he's got one for all of us.

"So what I told was true...from a certain point of view"

Okay Zeta-Wan Kenobi, I don't know what the resentment is between you and Mike in detail (I don't have the time to go digging into ancient posts), but I do know this:  You have to work really hard to make Mike dislike you as much as he probably does;  Mike has always shown me a tremendous amount of attention, patience, and respect, so he has mine.  No, I don't agree with everything he says but neither do I agree with things you say.  It doesn't change the fact I also have respect for you too. I sense a disturbance in the force with the emotional tone above...as if you have spent a GREAT deal of time thinking about Mike, I guaranfuckingtee you that Mike slept like a baby last night, and here you are going on about him obsessively. Could it be that either because I left you off the list or mentioned Mike, perhaps you felt insulted or nerve-struck somehow?  Either way, none of us are angels here so stop with the sanctimonious self-assessment about what you think you haven't done to others on these forums...  Love ya, Z 

Anyway, this place is great. I say we learn to take the crunchy with the smooth, learn to take care of ourselves.

Agreed on the first part and on the second part, disagree with the latter.  There is always a way to take care of oneself while also bringing others up around you with you.  Curious, are you a family man?  If so, you'd then really know this...

[CGQuarterly]

I think by "learn to take care of ourselves" he meant collectively, as in not needing formal rules in place, rather than individually.  Could be wrong, though.

Chris

[SignOfZeta]

I think by "learn to take care of ourselves" he meant collectively, as in not needing formal rules in place, rather than individually.  Could be wrong, though.

Chris

I honestly don't know WTF else I could have meant by that.

[SignOfZeta]

Are you, idk, actually wallowing in self-pity here?

Um...pity? No.

See, this is where I wonder...why we understand each other so poorly. I don't mean "understand" as in "agree", I mean simply...I don't know WTF you are even talking about. WTF are you imagining I'm feeling sorry for myself for? I didn't make this post because I'm sad, I made this post as a response to your posts which I often hate and think are stupid.

My life is actually totally amazing right now. Without going into Neo-geo.com levels of obnoxious detail I'll just say that when I was younger I didn't actually think things would turn out this great. My biggest problem in life right is a toothache that only started a few days ago and until I can get to a dentist I'll have to avoid extremely cold drinks. That's it. That's my only worry. I mean, that's pretty amazing, honestly, you have to admit that. I've got nothing to feel sorry for myself for.

I see something stupid and I say, "That's fucking dumb. Maybe if I say something about it he'll stop". Its really just that simple. Obviously I'm a bit dumb to think you'd ever shut up, but that really is the basic mechanism.

you also stalk certain members at every turn.

Well, first off, unless by "members" you are referring to other shards of your multiple personality disorder, you're wrong. The only one here I specifically target is you. I do give a lot of shit to RoyVegas, but there is no need to follow him anywhere. All you need to do is mention his name and he'll find you. He's like Beatlejuice or some shit!

As for the verb, I don't think you know what "stalk" means. No, you must know what stalk means because they must have explained it to you in court.

I do not do Google searches for forum members. I do not bring up shit here that that originated on other forums or Youtube or whatever else. When a new member starts posting here I do not at once go about trying to figure out if he's a known bad guy previously banned somewhere else.

Saying "hi" or "go fuck yourself" to someone at the mall is not stalking. Following them to the next public place and doing it again is. Doing detective work to find out their home address is completely over the line. I've never done a single one of these things, with you...it seems to be your number one hobby.

You have taken it upon yourself to be the PCEFX detective. You do actual research on the people behind the usernames. You follow them to and from other forums, to eBay, Facebook, etc. I never do this, you are always doing this.

When a new guy shows up on the forum and within three posts you know its some noob dumper who has already got the same shit for sale on a dozen other forums, or when its Nintega in disguise...a lot of people think that's really impressive (which it is) and beneficial (which it...often is) but its also COMPLETELY FUCKED UP. How much snooping and cataloging did you have to do to know that? A sane person with a life just doesn't have that in them. Shit, me writing this huge post just to you pretty much proves I need to get out more, but you've got to be spending 100x as much time on stalking all those dumpers and crooks and everyone else on your Enemies List.

Serious question: how do you organize the evidence? Is it just in a typical nested system of folders, or do you use a database program such as Microsoft Access or Filemaker Pro to handle all the shit? This is a serious question that I would like an answer to.

Another serious question: I never used the Shoutbox and was never really into IRC and the like. The realtime nature of that must be a real quandary. All that evidence just appearing and then going away forever. Have you ever devised a log system or maybe some sort of video capture solution so you could save that shit and throw it in people's faces months or years down the road if they cross the line? This is a serious question that I would also like an answer to.

Last serious question: If I do cross the line...how much shit do you have on me? I mean, if I mail a package two days late or a wire falls off a mod I did, how bad can you fuck me? Do you know the address of where I work? I know you know my real name, my age, all that shit. You probably know my username on forums I haven't been to in years. How good are you?

But no, somehow you envisioned this as some struggle the likes of which compares to Batman, with you in the role as the Joker, battling for high stakes.

Have you every actually read a Batman comic? I mean, I'm not a fan and haven't actually bought one in 20 years, but maybe you've seen the movies or something? Or maybe you just don't have the brain power to understand my Batman reference and you're starting to run away with it not even know WTF I meant. If the past is any indicator, soon there will be 15 level meta-referencial jokes based on your not getting my reference that nobody but you will understand so I'll try to explain myself and put an end to that as soon as possible.

A central tenant to the whole Batman thing since...I'd guess the mid-80s (also seen in Spiderman) is that while on the surface Batman is busting bad guys left and right that the cops won't or can't touch, he's also got a fairly huge number of enemies that wouldn't even exist without him. Batman is just as crazy and fucked up as all the dumb-assed he's busting every day and maybe, just maybe, there're be a more peaceful world if the bad guys didn't have to kick everything they do up ten notches knowing they'll encounter Batman every time they try a heist. Guys end up bring a bazooka to a knife fight. Would Nintega be Nintega without you?

I do not see myself as the Joker. That's just stupid. You're not so stupid that you'd make that mistake except you're deliberately ignoring the crux of this reference. I'm more like...some random dude writing un-read letters to the Gotham Globe about how the dumpster outside my apartment has Two Face shaped dents in it thanks to that asshole Batman.
 

As for not ripping anyone off, no, it does not seem you have. But also, you actually have not DONE anything FOR anyone most of the time. No one ever sees you going out of your way to help anyone

Really? I guess you need to stalk me more. I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.

Basically, I crap on your posts because they are deranged. I'm not a huge fan of actual cops. Pathetic wannabe cops who try to bring some bullshit smack down of justice into whatever meek pathetic world of ego-less toadies that will have them...its disgusting.

This isn't GameFAQs or the Nickelodeon forums. Its not a top-down organization. It doesn't need your dumb-ass mall coping and it will ultimately get or not get its feedback system, minimum post count, whatever with or without your pleas for mod interference, admin involvement, software upgrades, or anything else. Honestly, you are an asset to this forum in a dozen ways, this hall monitor bullshit just isn't one of them.

I realize this is an extreme example, and I'll half-heartedly apologize in advance for this, but you're a lot closer to a George Zimmerman than a Trayvon Martin and that is why you make me sick.

[PCEngineHell]

Are you, idk, actually wallowing in self-pity here?

Um...pity? No.

See, this is where I wonder...why we understand each other so poorly. I don't mean "understand" as in "agree", I mean simply...I don't know WTF you are even talking about. WTF are you imagining I'm feeling sorry for myself for? I didn't make this post because I'm sad, I made this post as a response to your posts which I often hate and think are stupid.

My life is actually totally amazing right now. Without going into Neo-geo.com levels of obnoxious detail I'll just say that when I was younger I didn't actually think things would turn out this great. My biggest problem in life right is a toothache that only started a few days ago and until I can get to a dentist I'll have to avoid extremely cold drinks. That's it. That's my only worry. I mean, that's pretty amazing, honestly, you have to admit that. I've got nothing to feel sorry for myself for.

I see something stupid and I say, "That's fucking dumb. Maybe if I say something about it he'll stop". Its really just that simple. Obviously I'm a bit dumb to think you'd ever shut up, but that really is the basic mechanism.

you also stalk certain members at every turn.

Well, first off, unless by "members" you are referring to other shards of your multiple personality disorder, you're wrong. The only one here I specifically target is you. I do give a lot of shit to RoyVegas, but there is no need to follow him anywhere. All you need to do is mention his name and he'll find you. He's like Beatlejuice or some shit!

As for the verb, I don't think you know what "stalk" means. No, you must know what stalk means because they must have explained it to you in court.

I do not do Google searches for forum members. I do not bring up shit here that that originated on other forums or Youtube or whatever else. When a new member starts posting here I do not at once go about trying to figure out if he's a known bad guy previously banned somewhere else.

Saying "hi" or "go fuck yourself" to someone at the mall is not stalking. Following them to the next public place and doing it again is. Doing detective work to find out their home address is completely over the line. I've never done a single one of these things, with you...it seems to be your number one hobby.

You have taken it upon yourself to be the PCEFX detective. You do actual research on the people behind the usernames. You follow them to and from other forums, to eBay, Facebook, etc. I never do this, you are always doing this.

When a new guy shows up on the forum and within three posts you know its some noob dumper who has already got the same shit for sale on a dozen other forums, or when its Nintega in disguise...a lot of people think that's really impressive (which it is) and beneficial (which it...often is) but its also COMPLETELY FUCKED UP. How much snooping and cataloging did you have to do to know that? A sane person with a life just doesn't have that in them. Shit, me writing this huge post just to you pretty much proves I need to get out more, but you've got to be spending 100x as much time on stalking all those dumpers and crooks and everyone else on your Enemies List.

Serious question: how do you organize the evidence? Is it just in a typical nested system of folders, or do you use a database program such as Microsoft Access or Filemaker Pro to handle all the shit? This is a serious question that I would like an answer to.

Another serious question: I never used the Shoutbox and was never really into IRC and the like. The realtime nature of that must be a real quandary. All that evidence just appearing and then going away forever. Have you ever devised a log system or maybe some sort of video capture solution so you could save that shit and throw it in people's faces months or years down the road if they cross the line? This is a serious question that I would also like an answer to.

Last serious question: If I do cross the line...how much shit do you have on me? I mean, if I mail a package two days late or a wire falls off a mod I did, how bad can you fuck me? Do you know the address of where I work? I know you know my real name, my age, all that shit. You probably know my username on forums I haven't been to in years. How good are you?

But no, somehow you envisioned this as some struggle the likes of which compares to Batman, with you in the role as the Joker, battling for high stakes.

Have you every actually read a Batman comic? I mean, I'm not a fan and haven't actually bought one in 20 years, but maybe you've seen the movies or something? Or maybe you just don't have the brain power to understand my Batman reference and you're starting to run away with it not even know WTF I meant. If the past is any indicator, soon there will be 15 level meta-referencial jokes based on your not getting my reference that nobody but you will understand so I'll try to explain myself and put an end to that as soon as possible.

A central tenant to the whole Batman thing since...I'd guess the mid-80s (also seen in Spiderman) is that while on the surface Batman is busting bad guys left and right that the cops won't or can't touch, he's also got a fairly huge number of enemies that wouldn't even exist without him. Batman is just as crazy and fucked up as all the dumb-assed he's busting every day and maybe, just maybe, there're be a more peaceful world if the bad guys didn't have to kick everything they do up ten notches knowing they'll encounter Batman every time they try a heist. Guys end up bring a bazooka to a knife fight. Would Nintega be Nintega without you?

I do not see myself as the Joker. That's just stupid. You're not so stupid that you'd make that mistake except you're deliberately ignoring the crux of this reference. I'm more like...some random dude writing un-read letters to the Gotham Globe about how the dumpster outside my apartment has Two Face shaped dents in it thanks to that asshole Batman.
 

As for not ripping anyone off, no, it does not seem you have. But also, you actually have not DONE anything FOR anyone most of the time. No one ever sees you going out of your way to help anyone

Really? I guess you need to stalk me more. I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.

Basically, I crap on your posts because they are deranged. I'm not a huge fan of actual cops. Pathetic wannabe cops who try to bring some bullshit smack down of justice into whatever meek pathetic world of ego-less toadies that will have them...its disgusting.

This isn't GameFAQs or the Nickelodeon forums. Its not a top-down organization. It doesn't need your dumb-ass mall coping and it will ultimately get or not get its feedback system, minimum post count, whatever with or without your pleas for mod interference, admin involvement, software upgrades, or anything else. Honestly, you are an asset to this forum in a dozen ways, this hall monitor bullshit just isn't one of them.

I realize this is an extreme example, and I'll half-heartedly apologize in advance for this, but you're a lot closer to a George Zimmerman than a Trayvon Martin and that is why you make me sick.

This has to be one of the most amazingly bloated, off the wall, retarded post I have ever seen you produce, and sad it will require such a giant wall of text to reply to it. Nothing like a hate/jealously filled super rant to get things off your chest ehh, trying to blame others forum activity, success and/or supposed popularity for your own shity forum behavior. So we are clear on the subject, thanks for confirming everything I stated prior. It really helps when you do it for me yourself. The fact remains, you do stalk me on this forum. You may not see it that way, but others do. You go out of your way to be a creep and follow my post and treads instead of simply putting me on ignore. You see a thread by me, and you jump in asap like a flies on shit, because you are addicted.

As stated prior, you make it pretty clear you are obsessed with me. Your words above all but scream it. And to answer one of your great questions, do I know your name, where you live, etc? No, why would I care about some two bit nothing who constantly tries to get attention by riding my coattails on a gaming forum. The difference between you and me is you actually care to know my name and use it often, and I don't give a fuck who you are. Zeta, clown, Joker, wtf ever, you're not important enough in anything you do around here to warrant me caring to know any of that, which is again, why you don't see me tailing you in your threads, etc.

Also, so we are fairly clear on this too, the vast amounts of hours and days spent on super detective work you take great liberties to lay claim to on my end in fact amount to maybe a few mins on google or whatever here or there. Its really great that you think so much of me and my hard work that you are willing to trump it up one hundred fold, and accuse me of doing this to any new member that joins here, but the simple fact is only people who fuck up drastically get any kind of looking in to by anyone here, and I am not the only one here who does this. And that in this day and age where data is everywhere for the taking, it doesn't take much effort to find something out if someone wants to know it. Just because you don't know how to effectively be civilized for long stretches, or use the internetz to its full capacity, does not mean no one else does. Don't be angry, just accept your limitations as a person and move on.

Contrary to the above that you stated, you clearly have some terrible pain going on with you besides some toothache. You act like a dick to people and pick countless fights, just as you are doing in this thread. You try to tear down people when you comment on their purchases among other things, like its any of your concern, let alone assuming other people you attack should care what you think. Like some wanna be, when you saw others agreeing with me on the Red Frog thing you changed your own tune and basically copied me word for word on your fucking pod cast. Don't tell me that was a simple "cant beat'em, so join'em" personal moment you faced. It seemed to stem more from a desire to be noticed and liked, and it failed and you got called out for it. I would not be surprised if you do this often, but I cant be bothered to listen to anymore of your podcast or anything to find out.

As for people like you, Nintega, etc. You know, I was absent here for what, 2 years? In that time from what I hear you were still a dick, even without me to cry about. You didn't really contribute anything truly meaningful here it seems, by your own kinda sorta admission when you were comparing the knowing of others contributing and helping others here to keeping the skins of young children in your attic, but I mean, I wouldn't actually need you to admit that. The lack of such activity here on the forums is a testament to that.  But I guess just showing up and being a pompous dick who feels they are above it all, including generosity amongst his fellow forum members, is good enough for you ehh? But hey, sure, lower that bar, you're too good for anything else. Is that it? Oh wait, nm, you may or may not donates hundreds to unknown charities, so its ok that you do nothing else around here but act like a cunt.

Speaking of Nintega, he came back, he was still a dick, just like he was a dick everywhere else before, and after, my involvement with him. Nintega was a dick with a rep far before he came here, it just happened to be that no one here was aware of it at the time. And he maintained this well after I was gone. Its easy for you to ignore this fact though when, regardless of whether you'd like to admit it or not, to quite a few, you're in the same ranks as him at times. Its just that he's far far more efficient and dedicated then you at what he does. You do it as a weekend warrior type gig. Maybe not for the exact same reasons either, but in the end, you reap what you sow around here, and you have gone out of your way to make more enemies then friends, and you and I, and many others here know this.

Also, your pic, the one for your retarded shooter award. You posted the pic here yourself. You don't like people using your pic to poke fun at you when you act like a dick or say stupid shit, don't post it then. Its that simple. You don't like things being used against you, well, maybe if you took the whiny bitch coattail riding attention grabbing angst against people thing down a few notches, maybe you'd find out people don't care to make fun of you anymore. Maybe they would eventually forget how much of a dick you tended to be. Anyway, in the end, you have made it painfully clear I do play some important role in your psyche here. You clearly hate me enough to follow me around for all time on this forum, and definitely enough that you'd compare me and anything I do here to the Zimmerman/Martin case. I cant even begin to fathom what kind of fucked up mind or reasoning it takes for someone to draw up that kind of comparison, but since it was only you doing it, well, yeah.....


Edit: forgot to point out, Zeta, the fact that you took the time to type out that massive lash out when most everyone else here was spending New Years Eve hanging out with friends or family and enjoying the evening, well, I'm sure even you can see how pathetic that is. Did you not have anything better to do on New Years Eve, seriously?

[RoyVegas]

Beatlejuice! Beatlejuice! Beatlejuice! *POOF*

I'm basically known as a decent and generous guy by most people I know. I guess I haven't done much that was both Turbo related and publicly displayed on this forum but...you aren't that all knowing. I could have donated last month's pay to charity, or I could have (like you) the skins of children drying in my attic. I'm not sure how you'd ever know, and I really don't see what the point is.

So, what your saying is, you shouldn't be judged by others here on these forums for what you do or don't do on these forums, because you're such a great guy offline.  Yet on a constant basis you're judging others for their behavior online. Isn't that called hypocrisy?  Jackass.