Girly CD's part of complete set?

[tggodfrey]

Seriously, who here feels a CD set isnt complete without the lousy girly CD's?

[tggodfrey]

I voted no.....I dont consider them as part of the set because the whole concept was dumb.  I can imagine the gamers back in the day....Joe, have you seen the new Local Girls of Hawaii disc for the duo.....It so much better than trying to make out a boob on the playboy channel scrambled!

[Bernie]

Heck no!

[esteban]

HELL NO, especially because most folks (even ardent TG-16 fans like myself) didn't even know these pathetic pieces of garbage existed back in the day.

ONLY Pokemon collect-them-all interwebz has made it IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE THESE PIECES OF TRASH.

DO YOU KNOW HOW BADLY I want to expel these two items from the official canon and replace them with NOTHING?

Yes, badly.

[SuperDeadite]

Yes.  If you actually care about owning a full set, get the pr0n.  Don't pussy out.

[tpivette]

Nope. Don't consider them part of the CD library. They'll never be in my lineup

[Bardoly]

No.

[DragonmasterDan]

It depends on how you define your set. The girlie games are unlicensed (and aren't actually games either). I see them as being in the same category as Implode, Meteor Blaster DX, Insanity and Pyramid Plunder. Unlicensed products intended for the US market. In the case of the girlie discs they were contemporary to when the system was on the market unlike the other software listed. But.. they're not even games, just a low res slideshow.

[Deletion]

No. They're more curiosities. Cool to have (if you can find them), but not essential.

[SMF]

YES...... ANYYHING TURBOB RELATED I MUST OWN AND STORE IN PROTECTIVE PLASTIC SO IN 30 YEARS I CAN RETIRE......

[SuperDeadite]

A better question is what people think of the LaserActive Turbob games.  They are SuperCD games just on LaserDisks instead of CDs.  To me they are needed for a full Turbob set, but I'm sure quite a few here will disagree.

[DragonmasterDan]

A better question is what people think of the LaserActive Turbob games.  They are SuperCD games just on LaserDisks instead of CDs.  To me they are needed for a full Turbob set, but I'm sure quite a few here will disagree.

I think they fall under the Window of NEC software. But I see the LaserActive stuff as being a different platform as it used a media exclusive to Pioneer only hardware, if dealing strictly with US releases of both hardware and sofware. Now in Japan because there is an NEC branded LaserActive, that's another matter entirely for PC Engine collectors.

[MrFlutterPie]

No I don't count them.  I count only officially relapsed and licensed games as part of a "full set"

[FiftyQuid]

They aren't listed on rarityguide.com so they don't count! 

Of course, once they are listed it's game on!

[SignOfZeta]

A better question is what people think of the LaserActive Turbob games.  They are SuperCD games just on LaserDisks instead of CDs.  To me they are needed for a full Turbob set, but I'm sure quite a few here will disagree.

Dude, do you not understand what "officially licensed" means? The noodie games don't even have proper logos on them.

LDROM2 isn't some format invented by random perverted pirates. Its official PCE soft all the way. The module required to play it is made by NEC/Pioneer and has a HuCard slot on it as well as an HE System logo. It couldn't be a more clear cut case.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I consider a "complete US set" as including all titles produced specifically for use on a Turbob.  Shitty though they may be, the boobeh discs aren't any different than any other unofficial game, akin to Implode, Mysterious Song, etc. (or akin to the GE games for the PCE).

That said, who gives a shit how you count your 'full set'?  Nobody else really cares (or shouldn't anyhow), so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

DO YOU KNOW HOW BADLY I want to expel these two items from the official canon and replace them with NOTHING?

Only two of 'em?  Which one is a keeper?

A better question is what people think of the LaserActive Turbob games.  They are SuperCD games just on LaserDisks instead of CDs.  To me they are needed for a full Turbob set, but I'm sure quite a few here will disagree.

Excellent question, similar to should one include the SG games towards a full PCE set.  Is it a separate system or just an extension of the original console (like CD/SCD/ACD)?  I say the latter.

[tggodfrey]

I consider a "complete US set" as including all titles produced specifically for use on a Turbob.  Shitty though they may be, the boobeh discs aren't any different than any other unofficial game, akin to Implode, Mysterious Song, etc. (or akin to the GE games for the PCE).

That said, who gives a shit how you count your 'full set'?  Nobody else really cares (or shouldn't anyhow), so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

It was just a question there Chochie....for discussion sake.

[TheClash603]

I consider the girly games in the same vein as the modern homebrew titles, in that they count in a full set of games, but they are not part of the official releases.

[RoyVegas]

I consider the girly games in the same vein as the modern homebrew titles, in that they count in a full set of games, but they are not part of the official releases.

Short and sweet, said exactly how I see it.

Noone can really tell anyone what consists of a full set.  It's personal preference.

[DragonmasterDan]

I consider the girly games in the same vein as the modern homebrew titles, in that they count in a full set of games, but they are not part of the official releases.

It all depends what you want a full set of. Do you want a full set of all officially licensed commercial releases (which would be the most common interpretation but certainly not the only one)? If so, then the girlie games don't count.

Do you want all officially licensed software, then you probably want to count the Lords of Thunder Demo and Zonk kiosk disc as well.

Do you want to count everything running PCE-like hardware? Then the LA games count as well.

It becomes a slippery slope because determining what counts and what doesn't is subjective.

Here's my way of looking at it. And here's the criteria I use for a complete set.

1. Is the game I'm playing officially licensed for the territory I'm playing in?
For retail released games and promotional discs like the Zonk and Lords of Thunder kiosk discs yes, as are the LA games.

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

3. Was this software created with the intent of being sold to consumers?
This rules out the kiosk discs and the LA diagnostic HuCard (if a US version actually exists).

[SignOfZeta]

Demos that were never intended for retail release, don't have bar codes, a retail price, were never sold in stores don't count unless you are being super completist. They are official, but not consumer software. Even Darius Alpha, as hard to get as it was, was at least intended for consumers. The LoT demo was only available via leaks in the system. If NEC/Hudson still existed and they produced a catalog of all PCE soft they would not include in-store demos, prototypes, and other things that don't have catalog numbers such as the girlie garbage, Games Express, or Implode. If nobody paid a licesning fee, its not official retail software. They would probably include demos made for consumers such as the Manji Maru/Dragon Slayer demo.

Many LA games are much more rare and expensive than any of this stuff, but they are still official consumer software in every sense.

The Supergrafx says "PC ENGINE" right on it, it's clearly PC Engine official.

[SignOfZeta]

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

What is "standard model hardware" when talking about PC Engine? I mean...seriously!

The PCE is one "system", the CDROM ads not only a drive but also other hardware, the Super System gives you a third platform, the Arcade system a forth, the Supergrafx is some wierd dead end offshoot but plays any PCE game, all of this is fine but somehow the LA doesn't count? Why? It plays everything a Duo will play and while the cost was high, it really wasn't much higher than if someone bought a complete IFU w/AC at full price.

I realize the LA was a stupid weird pointless machine, but it's totally official PC Engine. Excluding it is totally arbitrary.

[DragonmasterDan]

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

What is "standard model hardware" when talking about PC Engine? I mean...seriously!

The PCE is one "system", the CDROM ads not only a drive but also other hardware, the Super System gives you a third platform, the Arcade system a forth, the Supergrafx is some wierd dead end offshoot but plays any PCE game, all of this is fine but somehow the LA doesn't count? Why? It plays everything a Duo will play and while the cost was high, it really wasn't much higher than if someone bought a complete IFU w/AC at full price.

When talking about domestic hardware (this is on the TurboGrafx board after all) I mean the US TurboGrafx 16. The Express, the Duo, and the LA PAC are non-standard.

[henrycsc]

so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

Thanks for the permission NecroPhile, I did.

[SignOfZeta]

...what?

[CrackTiger]

2. Is the game capable of being played on the standard model hardware?
With all CD-ROM 2 and Super CD games I can play those with the appropriate accessories on an out of the box TurboGrafx 16. LA games only play on the LA with the NEC module. If a laserdisc link up or add-on existed for the standard hardware there might be an argument. While I see them as being NEC family games, they're a different platform IMO.

What is "standard model hardware" when talking about PC Engine? I mean...seriously!

The PCE is one "system", the CDROM ads not only a drive but also other hardware, the Super System gives you a third platform, the Arcade system a forth, the Supergrafx is some wierd dead end offshoot but plays any PCE game, all of this is fine but somehow the LA doesn't count? Why? It plays everything a Duo will play and while the cost was high, it really wasn't much higher than if someone bought a complete IFU w/AC at full price.

When talking about domestic hardware (this is on the TurboGrafx board after all) I mean the US TurboGrafx 16. The Express, the Duo, and the LA PAC are non-standard.

The officially licensed N-10 PAC plays TurboGrafx-16 TurboChips and Turbo CD games. The TurboExpress is incapable of officially playing Turbo CD games. The LaserActive is standard, the TurboExpress is not.

[SignOfZeta]

...what? WTF is this weird definition of "standard" you're referencing?

[TheClash603]

Based on the "standard" hardware argument:

If, CD games are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are required for a full set.

If, hu-cards only are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are not required for a full set.

The "If" statements are entirely opinion based, but the "Then" statements are logical truth based on your initial response.

[BigusSchmuck]

Based on the "standard" hardware argument:

If, CD games are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are required for a full set.

If, hu-cards only are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are not required for a full set.

The "If" statements are entirely opinion based, but the "Then" statements are logical truth based on your initial response.

Sounds like a damn BASIC program.

[tggodfrey]

LOL interesting thought though.  Never thought to consider Laseractive games.

[MilitaryMadness]

Complete means everything right? So i think you would need them for a complete set. That said i'm just going for a Complete set of _____.

[SignOfZeta]

Based on the "standard" hardware argument:

If, CD games are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are required for a full set.

If, hu-cards only are required for a full set = true statement
Then, Laseractive games are not required for a full set.

The "If" statements are entirely opinion based, but the "Then" statements are logical truth based on your initial response.

Sorry, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the "SNES can't do Mode 7" argument so this is going to take a while.

[Evilplayground]

I remember a local shop had these for $50-$60 when they were new.  Takes me back..(to a porno shop)

[VestCunt]

OP: Are you asking if you should buy them? I'm kind of bothered that this poll exists. The extent of a "complete set" is whatever one is interested in collecting.

[tggodfrey]

No i wasnt asking if I should buy them.  Just curious what complete meant to different people.

purely discussion topic nothing more.  I posted the first post that i dont consider them part of a complete set.  I agree "complete" means different things to different people, just interested how other people view the concept.

To me, complete is the licensed CD/Hucard set.  I dont even like including Magical Hemoroid Tour.

[DragonmasterDan]

The officially licensed N-10 PAC plays TurboGrafx-16 TurboChips and Turbo CD games. The TurboExpress is incapable of officially playing Turbo CD games. The LaserActive is standard, the TurboExpress is not.

I'm aware of the N10s compatibility. The thing is, the N10 wasn't the standard issue for TurboGrafx 16 hardware. Yes it has the widest compatibility of any North American released system in the NEC family. But when I say standard issue, I mean the the original model. The original model has no add-on or peripheral that allows it to play Laserdisc based games.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I'm still trying to figure out who or what I'm tying up.  Momo?  Myself in some sort of self-bondage, auto-erotic asphyxiation?

[CrackTiger]

Complete means everything right? So i think you would need them for a complete set. That said i'm just going for a Complete set of _____.

Then make sure you have a Tongueman's Logic, PCE Protocade (including AbCard version), Humpball, Crash, etc.

[DildoKKKobold]

That said, who gives a shit how you count your 'full set'?  Nobody else really cares (or shouldn't anyhow), so feel free to include/exclude home brew games, non-retail titles, and distinct different versions however the heck you want.

/thread.

For some laughs, check out the wars that start on NintendoAge when someone asks this same question about Stadium Events.

(For those not in the know, SE is a ~$3,000 version of the $2 game, "World Class Track Meet," which came with every Power Pad. Nintendo wanted to license the game from Bandai, so as part of the agreement, the game was pulled from shelves ~1 month after release, making it a retail-released game, but incredibly rare. )

[DragonmasterDan]

For some laughs, check out the wars that start on NintendoAge when someone asks this same question about Stadium Events.

(For those not in the know, SE is a ~$3,000 version of the $2 game, "World Class Track Meet," which came with every Power Pad. Nintendo wanted to license the game from Bandai, so as part of the agreement, the game was pulled from shelves ~1 month after release, making it a retail-released game, but incredibly rare. )

I have some familiarity with that game.

[tggodfrey]

If you guys dont like the discussion then then out of it.  This was just a basic discussion question of what your personal opinions are AS THEY APPLY TO YOU ONLY.  Same thing when anyone asks what your opinion of a game is.  If you cant handle discussions liek that then you dont belong on the internet or in any type of society.

[SignOfZeta]

Go fuck yourself.

But seriously, what brought that on?

[tggodfrey]

Maybe I am getting wrong point with a few posts but it seems like a couple people have an issue with posting a discussion poll like this.  I dont see the big deal.  Its interesting to me to see how other people look at things.  Maybe I read a couple posts the wrong way.

[pc_kwajalein]

Do I consider the Hawaii CD's to be part of the Duo title set? IMPO, in a limited way, yes.

Let's look at it this way. At a family reunion, have you ever met that one relative who happens to be a distant relative of another relative who really isn't that well known or communicated with on a regular basis by you and your close and/or established relatives?

That's how I see the Hawaii games. They're Duo titles; just really awkward titles that normal titles wouldn't share a table with at an NEC cookout for any titles that run on Duo hardware.

[DragonmasterDan]

Maybe I am getting wrong point with a few posts but it seems like a couple people have an issue with posting a discussion poll like this.  I dont see the big deal.  Its interesting to me to see how other people look at things.  Maybe I read a couple posts the wrong way.

I don't think the intent here is for anyone to say "There's only one right way to count a complete set". I think the intent is for everyone to show their reasoning for what is or isn't a complete set.

[Mishran]

Official retail releases are what I consider complete set. Anything not recognized by NEC isn't. The booby slideshows (which I consider homebrew), more recent releases (Implode, MBDX, MSR, etc.), are more or less bonus additions to the set that are more than welcome to sit on the shelf with the rest. Yes Ark, that includes the Protocade card.

I don't own a Laseractive, though wish I did, so the LD games aren't on my list of games to get. Unless I perchance come across them in the wild for cheap at a flea market or such.

[Tatsujin]

everybody needs le most mauvais pr0n even made for money.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

If you guys dont like the discussion then then out of it.  This was just a basic discussion question of what your personal opinions are AS THEY APPLY TO YOU ONLY.  Same thing when anyone asks what your opinion of a game is.  If you cant handle discussions liek that then you dont belong on the internet or in any type of society. 

Get you panties out of a bunch, Terry.

Saying 'who gives a fuck' is as valid of an answer to your question as anything else.  If you can't handle responses that don't precisely fit within your predefined, narrow view of acceptable answers, then perhaps it's you that needs a break from the interwebz.

[Sparky]

never really considered them or wanted them so i guess i could live with out them from my set.
But a new home brew of something like them maybe a "girls gone wild" would be worth watching

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Coming soon to a truck stop near you: Canadian Bikini Girls of Moose Knuckle Island.