pier solar hd

[wildfruit]

anybody picking up the remastered pier solar for pc or dreamcast? i'm grabbing a dreamcast one after having to sell my mega drive one some time ago. exciting times!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Nope.  Pretty much everyone here thinks they're retarded.

[wildfruit]

good for you

[OldRover]

Arkhan's probably right... a lot of people 'round these parts are pretty annoyed with the direction WaterMelon went in... so I doubt there are too many Pier Solar fans on this particular forum.

[PunkCryborg]

I still haven't even opened my oritinal pier solar.
In fact I just looked over my game shelf........ I don't even see it? wtf

[TheClash603]

Is it only $400 for the ultra mega edition 9000?

I got the reprint Genny game on the cheap and it wasn't good enough for them to put the game out again and with the ridiculous "collectors" shenanigans they do now.

[Psycho Punch]

What's the controversy that I'm not aware of with Watermelon?

[Tatsujin]

Suika(pu)

[Arkhan Asylum]

good for everyone here.

Fixed.

What's the controversy that I'm not aware of with Watermelon?

Where to begin.   A step by step to Magic WATERMELON FACTORY!!!11

Sell out before public release.

Delay the shit out of pre-order-only release and piss everyone off.  Lash out at your paying customers because you fucked up.

Release game with janky enhanced CD that they bragged about.  You'd think their big bragging point would actually work, yeah?

As the FIRST public release, sell it as the lame "reprint edition" complete with lesser quality manual and stickers.  No CD either.  Way to cater to the elitist collectors and eBay morons.

Lie about why the reprint is less fancy, say only early loyalists deserve extras, finally admit the reason is cost issues and needing to recover from the first batch of games that you miscalculated the profit margin on.

Lie about why the second batch has no CDs.  Say they won't fit in the reprint clamshell boxes (which I demonstrated fit just fine.).  Eventually admit that the CDs are goony so there is no point.

Blow off people distributing ISOs of the enhanced CD since it was a flop anyway.

Later, backpedal on that and release your own ISO and say "get this one instead, its got all the goodies taken out because you don't deserve them"

Go for a THIRD janky reprint edition.

Say your audio thing can't be decoded.

Laugh when Old Rover and Gravis decode it in a weekend for shits and giggles.

Claim your game can't be dumped.

Refuse to release the ROM because "it will hurt sales" on a game that SOLD OUT.  HRHRHRUDHRRRR.

Launch a kickstarter for your game that hasn't even been out like 2 years, just to ride the hypewave and whore the thing out to even more platforms instead of making something else.

Launch some investor scheme where people can pay money to buy "gems" and decide what platform and game genre will be targeted next, because that's what we need.   People who don't know what they want to do, doing what they're told by people with money.

Did I miss anything?

[SuperDeadite]

+1  Announce a DC version on kickstarter.  After ludicrous cash goal reached announce a stretch goal to add 16:9 support to said DC version if given even more money.

[TR0N]

All ready have it for the genesis so a pass for me.Watermelon games,really have milked pier solar to death at this point.

[esteban]

The most worthy endeavor is a fleeting fragrance that defies capture; the least worthy undertaking is shite smeared on your face. 99% of the world spends 99% of its time wallowing in shite. It takes a rare character to wash his or her face clean." —Winston Churchill, commenting on the state of things

[wildfruit]

i guess i'm going against the grain on this one

[PikachuWarrior]

I got the HD version for Dreamcast. Also, if you guys hate their business practices, just download the ROM. It's readily available and it also works on the Wii's GenPlus emulator.

[OldRover]

Say your audio thing can't be decoded.

Laugh when Old Rover and Gravis decode it in a weekend for shits and giggles.

It was amazingly easy...

[BigusSchmuck]

My head is spinning from all the drama surrounding this game and I haven't even played it yet. Why not make a Laseractive port while they are at it? 

[Arkhan Asylum]

i guess i'm going against the grain on this one

Yeah.  Some people either don't pay attention to the details of a group and their shenanigans, or if they do, they just don't care.

I got the HD version for Dreamcast. Also, if you guys hate their business practices, just download the ROM. It's readily available and it also works on the Wii's GenPlus emulator.

I bought the game when it was available to people who didn't want to pony up money 3 years in advance to a game that was taking forever and may not have been done.

I don't see the point in buying it again.  The game has been out for <5 years and has more versions than fucking Street Fighter 2.

I don't appreciate them milking the living piss out of their one over-hyped, honestly mediocre RPG with purposeful supply/demand issues.  It's on the same pompous level as Super Fighter Team.

The people that throw money at them are all enablers, and they honestly needed to step back and examine things before they went and threw a ton of money at their Kickstarter.

That shit is why we can't have nice things for reasonable prices. 

[Duo_R]

I honestly considered the kick starter until I saw all the versions they had for sale. And then unrealized "why am I buying this game again, I haven't even played the version I already bought."

[Mathius]

I funded their kickstarter only to get a version of the game that fixes a lot of the issues the original release had. I personally don't have a beef with Watermelon but I don't like how they treated their fans after launch. Especially those here.

[HercTNT]

My complaint with watermelon is all the attention they paid to making PS look pleasing, but plays like shit. PS HD is gonna be no different. The game looks good, sounds good, always did, plays horrible. wish they would balance it better.

[Arkhan Asylum]

My complaint with watermelon is all the attention they paid to making PS look pleasing, but plays like shit. PS HD is gonna be no different. The game looks good, sounds good, always did, plays horrible. wish they would balance it better.

Agreed.  I think the way I described it to someone who was going to try winning it in a raffle at CCAG was

"It looks like Lunar 2, but feels like watching paint dry."

something like that.

They nailed the Lunar-esque presentation and style, but fumbled completely on delivering a game that is interesting.

RPGMaker 2000 projects out there have more depth to the whole thing.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Did I miss anything?

You forgot how it's not on the PCE.

If it ain't OBEY, I give no fucks!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Did I miss anything?

You forgot how it's not on the PCE.

If it ain't OBEY, I give no fucks!

Pier Solar and the Great Give No Fucks!

[futureman2000]

My main problem with the game was the asinine places that items were hidden. I quit playing when my party fell down a slide only to find that the item needed to get back up was several towns back. I can understand if I wasn't looking, but I had spent tons of time just wandering around the towns trying to figure out which non-descript wall or shadowy area would have a secret chest. It would have helped to have a Nintendo Power walkthrough. I think I was about halfway through the game or something, but I'll never play it again.
That being said, the look of the game is great. Very professional presentation, just some goofy gameplay. I will be buying their next genesis game. I don't know how much fun it will be, but it will probably look cool.

[wildfruit]

i bought 8 hu cards, a gba sp headphone adapter and streets of rage instead after this discussion

[Arkhan Asylum]

i bought 8 hu cards, a gba sp headphone adapter and streets of rage instead after this discussion

I hope your serious.


I mean if you want the Pier Solar experience just go find someone's Final Fantasy Stolen Graphics RPG Adventure of Grandness for RPGMaker 2000.    There's highschool kids cranking that shit out all day everyday.

It'll look just as professional since they're stealing art from Squaresoft and Sega.

[geise]

I actually never thought this game looked good, and I don't understand the following it has.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I actually never thought this game looked good, and I don't understand the following it has. 

Anything will have a following after what like 15 years of it being in the making?

[geise]

I actually never thought this game looked good, and I don't understand the following it has. 

Anything will have a following after what like 15 years of it being in the making?

Hehe kinda like the Working Designs games.  It all makes sense now.  At least those weren't that long in the making, not to mention way better games.

[wildfruit]

i bought 8 hu cards, a gba sp headphone adapter and streets of rage instead after this discussion

I hope your serious.

heck yes bought 8 one of them being parasol stars
i guess i have to admit deep down the md copy of pier solar i got and then had to sell for hard times i guess i got it for novelty value rather than playability

[Arkhan Asylum]

I got it to try, and then laugh at, basically.  It's a shame the team involved is no longer the humble bunch of gimps making "Tavern RPG" or whatever.

[HercTNT]

i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it   As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.

[Arkhan Asylum]

i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it   As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.

Basically.     The game just feels like a middle school RPG Maker project.

Trust me.  I made them when I was 11-13 years old.   They sucked.   

but, they were almost as good as Pier Solar, and we made them in <1month usually, lol.

[WingZeroKai]

I hope your serious.


I mean if you want the Pier Solar experience just go find someone's Final Fantasy Stolen Graphics RPG Adventure of Grandness for RPGMaker 2000.    There's highschool kids cranking that shit out all day everyday.

It'll look just as professional since they're stealing art from Squaresoft and Sega.

This made me laugh so much harder than it should have.

[OldRover]

So... do the "enhanced" versions of PS actually bring anything new to the table? I've had plenty of demand for newer versions of Mysterious Song, but I'm actually expanding the game itself, since the original is so short. Does "PS DC", for example, make the game any better, or is it just prettier?

[SuperDeadite]

it's in OMG HD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SmaMan]

Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.

I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.

I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.

lol wait they did ANOTHER reprint cart/CD?

You'd think they'd just make enough in the first place.   One thing they clearly suck at is math.

That, or they do this shit on purpose to create artificial supply/demand price gouging shit.

[PikachuWarrior]

They constantly have reprints going, but their ETAs on when they produce them is all over the place. I ordered the PS Strategy Guide, but it won't be available until (at the very least) end of 2012.

[HercTNT]

They constantly have reprints going, but their ETAs on when they produce them is all over the place. I ordered the PS Strategy Guide, but it won't be available until (at the very least) end of 2012.

No need for the guide, I have the strategy you need to survive. Play for 15 minutes, slam your dick in a steel door. play for another 15 minutes, nail your nuts with a ball peen hammer. You see, the personal abuse makes you forget how painful the game is. Doing it this way, your likely to finish the game before the SG comes out anyways.

[BigusSchmuck]

i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it   As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.

Basically.     The game just feels like a middle school RPG Maker project.

Trust me.  I made them when I was 11-13 years old.   They sucked.   

but, they were almost as good as Pier Solar, and we made them in <1month usually, lol.

You would be surprised on what my brother put out on RPG Maker. That guy even tried to put in his own 3Dish backgrounds (this was the late 90s early 2000s) and somehow got it all to work. I would say in this rare instance his rpgs were definitely better even with his cheesey voice acting (think Star Ocean).

[CrackTiger]

Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.

I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.

lol wait they did ANOTHER reprint cart/CD?

You'd think they'd just make enough in the first place.   One thing they clearly suck at is math.

That, or they do this shit on purpose to create artificial supply/demand price gouging shit.

No one can dispute that they are intentially trying to create demand by manipulating collectors with the various LE editions and the huge REPRINT written across the front of every standard copy. The mystery reprint release dates only help resellers gouge insta collectors.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.

I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.

lol wait they did ANOTHER reprint cart/CD?

You'd think they'd just make enough in the first place.   One thing they clearly suck at is math.

That, or they do this shit on purpose to create artificial supply/demand price gouging shit.

No one can dispute that they are intentially trying to create demand by manipulating collectors with the various LE editions and the huge REPRINT written across the front of every standard copy. The mystery reprint release dates only help resellers gouge insta collectors.

yep.


The fact they printed a strategy guide is just hilarious.   I mean, what the christ.   Get over yourselves.   

i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it   As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.

Basically.     The game just feels like a middle school RPG Maker project.

Trust me.  I made them when I was 11-13 years old.   They sucked.   

but, they were almost as good as Pier Solar, and we made them in <1month usually, lol.

You would be surprised on what my brother put out on RPG Maker. That guy even tried to put in his own 3Dish backgrounds (this was the late 90s early 2000s) and somehow got it all to work. I would say in this rare instance his rpgs were definitely better even with his cheesey voice acting (think Star Ocean).

Yeah dude, there is some good stuff out there.   

I wish i still had it.  A friend and I back in middle school made an RPG with it for extra credit in science.   You ran around a map of our middleschool as Asuka from Neon Genesis, learning about science.


We replaced the school mascot on the gym floor with the NERV logo, and made the principals office look like hell.

We got an A.

[SmaMan]

I think the central problem here is that everyone, including Watermelon themselves, are expecting to much. This is a tiny indie company we're talking about. The fact that they had the money and resources to make one cart run on a console over 20 years old is nothing short of extraordinary. And perhaps it is this success that is blowing their egos way out of proportion, along with their image.

I've decided I'm going to give them until the digital release of Pier Solar HD until I cancel my pre-order.

[wildfruit]

parasol stars was a good call in the end

[Gillian Seed]

I bought this game, finished it, and reviewed it. I really think it was nice to have a huge ambitious fan project like this on the Genesis, but I had problems with the game itself. It felt like you never got enough EXP and some of the writing was downright weird.

I'm with the OP though. Although I personally am a little bummed to see this game ported to so many platforms, I still respect that Watermelon is delivering new games to play on our old hardware at all. The idea of the beat em' up or whatever they have planned for the SNES has me very interested. I think that would be a much easier project for them to deliver on than a RPG the scale of Pier Solar was.

[Joe Redifer]

No, the SNES game will be an RPG. The SNES is only allowed to have RPGs. The Genesis is only allowed to have sports games and the PCE/Turbo is only allowed to have shooters.

[BlueBMW]

After reading this thread... anyone interested in a reprint edition PS? hehe

[Tatsujin]

No, the SNES game will be an RPG. The SNES is only allowed to have RPGs. The Genesis is only allowed to have sports games and the PCE/Turbo is only allowed to have shooters.

I could live with that very well

[Bardoly]

No, the SNES game will be an RPG. The SNES is only allowed to have RPGs. The Genesis is only allowed to have sports games and the PCE/Turbo is only allowed to have shooters.

Wouldn't that actually fit the hardware better?