Should Link have been shot in the head in Zelda 3?

RuninRuder · 03/02/2007, 08:12 PM

The other day, a friend and I were talking about how Zelda 3 was such a monumental disappointment. No one thing could've saved this mess: the lame enemies/bosses, junkyard-like overworld, and simple/repetitive puzzles added up to an unsalvageable disaster. But the game could've at least featured a memorable moment that made it worth playing.

That moment could've been Link being shot and killed.

Imagine if this pudgy, unlikable hero was suddenly confronted by and blown to hell by some badass, and then you got to control the badass for the rest of the adventure. That would've been cool, maybe even cool enough for me not to mind the aforementioned problems quite so much.

What do you think?

TR0N · 03/02/2007, 08:18 PM

Not much to say since i've been playing it on the VC.

Most fans praise it alot hmmmm.

When ever i finsh it i'll probably post my impression then.

Lot of times, Zelda II Links Adventure is label the black sheep of the serise.

Keranu · 03/02/2007, 09:35 PM

I think people read too much Sega Bastard.

guyjin · 03/02/2007, 09:53 PM

Quote from: runinruder on 03/02/2007, 08:12 PMWhat do you think?

I think there's no accounting for taste.

CrackTiger · 03/02/2007, 11:56 PM

I like Zelda III for what it is, but don't I think its one of the absolute greatest games ever made.

Of course, not only do I find most untouchable legendary titles grossly overrated, I think that all the 3D Zelda are total garbage(although Wind Waker had a few pieces of a decent game in it) and that Zelda TP shouldn't even be catagorized as an actual video game(instead of developing it for GC and porting it to Wii, they should've just slapped it on a regular DVD movie disc like Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, etc).

Seldane · 03/03/2007, 09:31 AM

Quote from: runinruder on 03/02/2007, 08:12 PMThe other day, a friend and I were talking about how Zelda 3 was such a monumental disappointment.

Aha, well at least you two (and GUTS) are exclusive to this opionion. Maybe some other people on this board as well, but everybody's severely skewed here.

Zelda 3 is one of the best games I've played, but I still don't consider it particuarly good compared to many other games in the series.

The Ultimate Zelda List of Perfection:
PERFECTION LIST
1. Majora's Mask
2. Ocarina of Time
3. Twilight Princess
4. The Adventure of Link
5. A Link to the Past
JUNK LIST
6. The Wind Waker
7. The Minish Cap
8. Oracle of Seasons
9. Link's Awakening
10. Oracle of Ages (here's a great example on how to make a truly abysmal game - but of course, it was developed bu... I won't even say it.)

RuninRuder · 03/03/2007, 10:55 AM

Good idea, Seldane. I'll make a list too.

ONE OF THE TOP FIVE GAMES EVER
Ocarina of Time

STILL A COOL GAME
Zelda II

PRETTY CRAPPY AT THIS POINT, BUT NICE FOR NOSTALGIA
The first one

JUNK LIST
Zelda III and the rest

Keranu · 03/03/2007, 11:45 AM

You know, I misunderstood the topic of this thread. This thread is more about should Link have been shot in the head, not if you hate Zelda 3. In that case, yes I would've liked to seen that because that would've looked pretty cool, especially for a non-violent game. I'm a sucker for surprise endings and it's always great to see evil win for once.

My Zelda list:

1. ) Zelda II
2. ) Everything else

Quote from: Seldane on 03/03/2007, 09:31 AM10. Oracle of Ages (here's a great example on how to make a truly abysmal game - but of course, it was developed bu... I won't even say it.)

GUTS · 03/03/2007, 02:31 PM

-Perfection list-
Zelda II
Link's Awakening
Ocarina of Time
Minish Cap

-Junk list-
Every other Zelda game

And yeah I agree if something really awesomely gruesome had happened to Link in Zelda III, I might have enjoyed the game.

SignOfZeta · 03/03/2007, 02:33 PM

Wow, this board has such random crazy across the board opinions on stuff. I really do think most of you are just doing it to be contrary. I wonder how many of you truly appreciate the greatness of the PCE, and how many of you are just supporting what was basically the underdog system in the English speaking world just to be a pain in the ass.

Let me help you: "Super Mario Bros. controls like shit." That should troll up some internet discussion. You have my permission to use it at will.

Zelda 3 seems to be, from what I've seen, the most loved game in the series so calling it a disapointment is kind of...well, its an original statement, I guess. Its also insane. Considering they were coming from Zelda 2, which was utter fucking crap, I'd say it was a huge success artistically. Even Zelda 1, IMO, was pretty lame, but then I don't really dig most FC software anyway. Eitherway I think it might be kind of out-of-context/revisionist to say Zelda 3 was a disapointment when the only other Zelda games were the two crusty-ass FC titles...and Neutopia, of course.

My favorites, without question, are Wind Waker, and Link's Awakening DX. I played these games full tilt to completeion loving them all the way. But then I really didn't like Ocarina at all, which is also very loved by people. To me it was so brown it could have been a Quake Gaiden. Also...I got lost.

I think the most "disappointing" Zelda game was probably Twilight Princess. Its even more brown than Ocarina.

Keranu · 03/03/2007, 02:41 PM

What's wrong with Zelda II? No fights, just curious to hear why you don't like it (a lot of retro gamers seem to love Zelda II while more casual Nintendo gamers hate it).

It's my favorite game in the series since I love platform RPGs. In my opinion, Zelda II worked out much better as a Zelda sequel than Ys III did as a Ys sequel. The reason being that Zelda II still carries a lot of elements from the first game which makes it feel much more like a Zelda game, like items, music, art style, etc... Ys III on the otherhand, which I enjoy too, didn't quite work out as well as a sequel because it didn't have much in common with the first two games. The only thing Ys III really shared with I & II was the name, a couple of characters, and a few similar items. They're both great games, but Zelda II did a better job on continuing the series.

JoshTurboTrollX · 03/03/2007, 02:55 PM

Zelda II was Acclaim's NES Rambo..... but worse.

otherwise:
I enjoyed most of the Zelda games, not to big of a fan of Links Adventure though. Even had fun with Four Swords on the GC. It was like Link to the past: ARCADE.

TS

Keranu · 03/03/2007, 03:11 PM

Hey I thought Rambo for NES was a kinda neat game, though a bit confusing!

Seldane · 03/03/2007, 03:24 PM

Signofzeta nailed it. Exactly how I would put it. Except the Zelda II bit. It may not be like the other Zelda games, but it is still a neat game. At least to me, I love 2d action adventure games. Oh, and the LA/WW bit as well, I didn't enjoy many minutes of those games. They were just plain boring to me.

Also: How can a person like Neutopia but not Zelda?

Keranu · 03/03/2007, 03:37 PM

I REALLY want to get into Wind Waker, but I just get so bored after the first dungeon. I've tried playing the game multiple times but I loose interest at the same spot. The graphics and music are great and I even like the storyline from what I know of it, but as soon as Link hits the water with that boat, I just have a hard time remaining entertained.

CrackTiger · 03/03/2007, 04:32 PM

Quote from: turbo_sage on 03/03/2007, 02:55 PMZelda II was Acclaim's NES Rambo..... but worse.

Man I loved NES Rambo.

I hated it the first time I tried it, but for some reason I wound up renting it again and reached that magic point where the game becomes playable and has a lot of cool stuff. Kinda like Legacy of the Wizard, Faxanadu, Clash at Demonhead, Bionic Commando and Battle Of Olympus.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 03/03/2007, 02:33 PMWow, this board has such random crazy across the board opinions on stuff. I really do think most of you are just doing it to be contrary. I wonder how many of you truly appreciate the greatness of the PCE, and how many of you are just supporting what was basically the underdog system in the English speaking world just to be a pain in the ass.

Let me help you: "Super Mario Bros. controls like shit." That should troll up some internet discussion. You have my permission to use it at will.

Zelda 3 seems to be, from what I've seen, the most loved game in the series so calling it a disapointment is kind of...well, its an original statement, I guess. Its also insane. Considering they were coming from Zelda 2, which was utter fucking crap, I'd say it was a huge success artistically. Even Zelda 1, IMO, was pretty lame, but then I don't really dig most FC software anyway. Eitherway I think it might be kind of out-of-context/revisionist to say Zelda 3 was a disapointment when the only other Zelda games were the two crusty-ass FC titles...and Neutopia, of course.

My favorites, without question, are Wind Waker, and Link's Awakening DX. I played these games full tilt to completeion loving them all the way. But then I really didn't like Ocarina at all, which is also very loved by people. To me it was so brown it could have been a Quake Gaiden. Also...I got lost.

I think the most "disappointing" Zelda game was probably Twilight Princess. Its even more brown than Ocarina.

Sounds like you're as crazy as the rest of us, since OOT is generally considered to be the absolute greatest form of entertainment ever created by man or god.

Quote from: Keranu on 03/03/2007, 02:41 PMWhat's wrong with Zelda II? No fights, just curious to hear why you don't like it (a lot of retro gamers seem to love Zelda II while more casual Nintendo gamers hate it).

It's my favorite game in the series since I love platform RPGs. In my opinion, Zelda II worked out much better as a Zelda sequel than Ys III did as a Ys sequel. The reason being that Zelda II still carries a lot of elements from the first game which makes it feel much more like a Zelda game, like items, music, art style, etc... Ys III on the otherhand, which I enjoy too, didn't quite work out as well as a sequel because it didn't have much in common with the first two games. The only thing Ys III really shared with I & II was the name, a couple of characters, and a few similar items. They're both great games, but Zelda II did a better job on continuing the series.

I think that Zelda II is far more different from Zelda than Ys III is from Ys I & II. But I liked Zelda II for what it was, as its own game. But like most great games and/or games I like(and the Zelda series in general), it has some big flaws.

Quote from: Keranu on 03/03/2007, 03:37 PMI REALLY want to get into Wind Waker, but I just get so bored after the first dungeon. I've tried playing the game multiple times but I loose interest at the same spot. The graphics and music are great and I even like the storyline from what I know of it, but as soon as Link hits the water with that boat, I just have a hard time remaining entertained.

Same with me. I've played through the game twice and each time I quit once I got to the point where you have to sail around the world looking for Triforce maps and then do another dozen laps trying to dig up the actual pieces.

Wind Waker does treat people like human-person-tards during the first couple dungeons, but like most modern Zeldas, the game quickly turns into work instead of fun. But since various kinds of work simulators now fill gaming's best seller charts, I'm not surprised that Zelda's now more popular than ever.

Link's Awakening seems to be more universally liked than LTTP. When I first played it on my original Gameboy, it was more fun for me than LTTP.

I don't hate LTTP, I actually bought it brand new back in the day, even after finishing it in a single day as a rental some time earlier. Of course, the discounted retail price helped sway me.

But masterpiece or not, it doesn't seem to be substantually better than most other decent adventurey like games.

OldRover · 03/03/2007, 08:57 PM

I always liked the original Link's Awakening. Of course, I also liked Link To The Past. I also liked The Adventure Of Link and of course, the original Legend Of Zelda. However, in LTTP, he DOES look like the fat kid everyone pushed around in fifth grade but then became a psychotic killer come 11th grade and ended up putting a bullet in the heads of others before putting one in his own. So yeah...I think he'd have been shot in the head in Zelda 3, but by himself.

TR0N · 03/03/2007, 10:20 PM

Not a fan of Zelda II it falls too short for me.

Here's why.

Awful controlles
Weapons range is too short.
Link takes to much damage befor he dies.
Cheap hit from boss's.
NOA up the difficulty on it.

I know nintendo wanted to try some different but still it could have been more.

Now on to my favorite zelda in order.

1.The Legend Zelda
2.Zelda OOT
3.Zelda TP
4. Zelda LTTP:Been enjoying it so far.
5.Zelda Links Awakeing
6.Zelda WW:I liked it but realy the game was too much of a.. hunt collecting items and such.

Got no, comments on minsh cap,mm, or the two gbc titles since i never played them.

Emerald Rocker · 03/04/2007, 04:32 PM

Exaxxion22: man if Guy Kazama shot and killed Link, and then you played as Guy, that would have RULED
RuninRuder: hell yeah
Exaxxion22: imagine going through Zelda 3 with Last Alert's music and bloody awesomeness
RuninRuder: thats a great idea
Exaxxion22: when he goes to the shadow world, Guy could wear his white tux
RuninRuder: haha
Exaxxion22: ''fuck the darkness!''
Exaxxion22: ''BLAM BLAM''
Exaxxion22: the game would have a cooler story then, too

Keranu · 03/04/2007, 06:54 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 03/03/2007, 08:57 PMI always liked the original Link's Awakening. Of course, I also liked Link To The Past. I also liked The Adventure Of Link and of course, the original Legend Of Zelda. However, in LTTP, he DOES look like the fat kid everyone pushed around in fifth grade but then became a psychotic killer come 11th grade and ended up putting a bullet in the heads of others before putting one in his own. So yeah...I think he'd have been shot in the head in Zelda 3, but by himself.

Haha, very well put!

GUTS · 03/08/2007, 09:25 PM

Its boggles my mind that snes fans can't come to grips with the fact that some people just don't like Zelda III. I mean fucking A, is it that hard to accept? Do you really have to come up with theories like "You've never played it" or "you're just being contrary"? Here's the deal, Zelda III is fucking boring, easy, repetitive, and dumb, thats why I don't like it, and why other people don't like it.

OldRover · 03/09/2007, 01:03 AM

Opinions are opinions, but stating opinions as fact is just as retarded as some idiotic snerds not accepting the fact that opinions are opinions. I didn't find Zelda III to be boring, dumb, or repetitive, but easy? Hell yeah, easiest Zelda game I've ever played. Actually, one of the easiest games I've played...PERIOD. Even Ghost Lion, a so-called newcomer's RPG, provided a better challenge.

Seldane · 03/09/2007, 07:13 AM

The Ghost Lion is damn hard!

Keranu · 03/09/2007, 02:44 PM

Quote from: GUTS on 03/08/2007, 09:25 PMIts boggles my mind that snes fans can't come to grips with the fact that some people just don't like Zelda III. I mean fucking A, is it that hard to accept? Do you really have to come up with theories like "You've never played it" or "you're just being contrary"? Here's the deal, Zelda III is fucking boring, easy, repetitive, and dumb, thats why I don't like it, and why other people don't like it.

Are you no different than a snerd becaues you can't accept the fact that some people don't like Thunder Force III either?

GUTS · 03/09/2007, 04:08 PM

What the fuck, who was talking about Thunder Force III? I don't give a shit if someone doens't like TFIII, I don't run around saying "RUNINRUDER TRY ACTUALLY PLAYING IT FIRST! YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BE CONTRARY AND STIR UP TROUBLE, I QUESTION WHETHER OR NOT YOU EVEN LIKE THE PC ENGINE OR ARE JUST SUPPORTING THE UNDERDOG!".

OldRover · 03/09/2007, 09:34 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 03/09/2007, 07:13 AMThe Ghost Lion is damn hard!

Yeah, the last battle in the game against the lion is hard but the rest of the game is bloody easy as pie. I guess it helped though that I already had quite a few years of CRPG experience under my belt before playing it.

Emerald Rocker · 03/10/2007, 05:03 PM

Haha, Thunder Force 3 sucks, just not quite as much as Zelda 3.

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Should Link have been shot in the head in Zelda 3?