Hate that awful Master System?

CrackTiger · 03/22/2007, 09:32 PM

Hate that awful Master System?

Is your SMS knowledge limited to 3 or 4 U.S. games?

Then you'll love the extended Retronauts audio episode.

Amazingly, a few guys who know almost nothing about the SMS needed an extra time to trash something that they aren't familiar with(but still they still have time to squeeze in another 'TG-16 is only 8-bit' comment).

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3158192

Joe Redifer · 03/22/2007, 11:52 PM

Linky link?

Seldane · 03/23/2007, 07:14 AM

Rink.

Doesn't really matter what they say though, as the Master System rules.

CrackTiger · 03/23/2007, 08:34 AM

The link is now back in my original post(I don't know how it wound up missing...).

They actually go on about how it has no good games worldwide (only Zilliom and Fantasy Star) and how its such an ugly(literally) hunk of junk.

OldRover · 03/23/2007, 09:49 AM

Well, my Master System knowledge is pretty much limited to Phantasy Star. But hey, at least I can admit it, and I don't go around trashing a system I've never really even played.

Keranu · 03/23/2007, 11:52 AM

I think the Master System is another console that we all appreciate on this board.

nat · 03/23/2007, 02:14 PM

I like the SMS just fine, has some good games and all, but I will agree it really is physically quite ugly.

But aesthetics don't make or break a console.

Seldane · 03/23/2007, 02:28 PM

It is very ugly, and the number of good games is extremely low, but it is still a cool system for many reasons.

VestCunt · 03/23/2007, 06:05 PM

Not the SMS II!
The SMS II is probably the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

It's looks more than make up for the ugliness of the first version.
I would totally get it on with the SMS 2...with or without beer goggles.

guyjin · 03/23/2007, 06:37 PM

The original master system is more beautiful than the crap that 1up.com calls web design.
As for games, the SMS has more good games than the entire Playstation family.

Seldane · 03/23/2007, 06:40 PM

Quote from: guyjin on 03/23/2007, 06:37 PMThe original master system is more beautiful than the crap that 1up.com calls web design.

Mega word. What's up with video game websites these days anyway? 1up, The Magicbox, Kotaku... these websites are uglier than your standard 1997 site! Gamespot and IGN looks better, but they're TOO flashy instead. Takes forever to load them.

esteban · 03/23/2007, 06:59 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/23/2007, 06:05 PMNot the SMS II!
The SMS II is probably the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.
It's looks more than make up for the ugliness of the first version.
I would totally get it on with the SMS 2...with or without beer goggles.

Nooooooooooo!

I think we discussed this before...

EDIT: Old thread, where I defend the original SMS as the koolest-looking! SMS II is a turd!

Seriously, though, the original SMS design just kicks ass. The sharp angular design was very 80's high-tech / futuristic chic. I love it, and in the world of consoles, SMS1 stands out as a genuinely refreshing approach: it is STRIKING. I won't repeat my comments again, but I stand by everything I said back then.

Kitsunexus · 03/23/2007, 07:34 PM

The Master System may not be the best looking, or the most powerful of it's generation, but damn, it had GREAT games.

Dare I say that I like more SMS games than NES games?

Seldane · 03/23/2007, 08:12 PM

While the power of the SMS is refreshing compared to the weak NES, it loses the battle of awesome game library of perfection.

Joe Redifer · 03/23/2007, 09:35 PM

The SMS 1 looked freakin' great. The SMS 2 looked like ass.

This is fact.

CrackTiger · 03/23/2007, 10:57 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 03/23/2007, 02:28 PMIt is very ugly, and the number of good games is extremely low, but it is still a cool system for many reasons.

The SMS has tons of great games worldwide. There are enough U.S. release to make it worthwhile, let alone all the crazy stuff Europe got.

I don't know why so many people seem to think that the SMS has a limited library.

But I've never heard anyone say the SMS has few good games who could name very many SMS games in the first place.

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/23/2007, 09:35 PMThe SMS 1 looked freakin' great. The SMS 2 looked like ass.

This is fact.

Although I've never owned an SMS 2, I've always thought that it looks ugly compared to the originator ever since I first saw a SMS 2 back when it came out.

Tatsujin · 03/23/2007, 11:05 PM

SMS rulez. finally found my ntsc-j R-Type yesterday after a long search, and will start playing it in a couple of minutes

Keranu · 03/23/2007, 11:26 PM

The original Master System design is so rad. Steve's old post about it is completely 100% factual.

nat · 03/24/2007, 04:10 AM

Fantasy Zone 2 was the shit.

Joe Redifer · 03/24/2007, 04:47 AM

Fantasy Zone 2 was my least favorite. The music was pretty bad and warping back and forth between different... whatevers was confusing.

Tatsujin · 03/24/2007, 05:20 AM

i liked it at the time. wonderful colors, cute enemies, funny bgm.. and so on. didn't play it for at least 19 years now.

Tatsujin · 03/24/2007, 05:43 AM

can someone tell me, how to enter the additional stage in r-type?

Joe Redifer · 03/24/2007, 05:59 AM

First, git yo nigga azz to stage 4. In stage 4 about halfway through or so there will be a screen filled with tons and tons of dots because the SMS was a super powerful beast when it came to putting dots on the screen. 4 Mega power for the win! Anyway, at the top of the screen there are two spaces without any dots. Fly up into the left most space and back into the thing hanging down. You'll be in a bonus stage that is so powerful that not even the PC Engine could do it.

CrackTiger · 03/24/2007, 10:48 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/24/2007, 05:59 AMFirst, git yo nigga azz to stage 4. In stage 4 about halfway through or so there will be a screen filled with tons and tons of dots because the SMS was a super powerful beast when it came to putting dots on the screen. 4 Mega power for the win! Anyway, at the top of the screen there are two spaces without any dots. Fly up into the left most space and back into the thing hanging down. You'll be in a bonus stage that is so powerful that not even the PC Engine could do it.

Its a bonus Stage so powerful, that not even the arcade or Playstation could handle it in their shoddy downgraded ports.

Zor Prime · 03/24/2007, 12:02 PM

In my area the SMS didn't have exposure plus you couldn't buy one even if you wanted as all the stores didn't stock.

I did eventually get one. Around a year ago I threw it in the trash.

The thing was so ugly that my eyes couldn't handle looking at it any longer.

Looking back, I could had just put a brown bag over it. You know, just the same for women. Didn't come to mind at the time.

Kitsunexus · 03/24/2007, 12:38 PM

Quote from: Zor Prime on 03/24/2007, 12:02 PMLooking back, I could had just put a brown bag over it. You know, just the same for women. Didn't come to mind at the time.

There is a Sonic restaurant/Texas Chainsaw Massacre joke in there somewhere, but I'm not the guy to make it.

OldRover · 03/24/2007, 05:55 PM

I only want an SMS for Phantasy Star. I don't even have a ROM of it (I used to) or an emulator.

Kitsunexus · 03/24/2007, 08:10 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 03/24/2007, 05:55 PMI don't even have a ROM of it (I used to) or an emulator.

Please tell me you don't believe in that "Delete after 24 hours" bullshit.

OldRover · 03/24/2007, 09:16 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 03/24/2007, 08:10 PMPlease tell me you don't believe in that "Delete after 24 hours" bullshit.

Fuck that shit. I just don't have it anymore, dunno why. Prolly deleted it in a moment of "do I really need this?" rage.

Kitsunexus · 03/24/2007, 09:29 PM

Ah, ok. Muchos comprehende.

Tatsujin · 03/25/2007, 01:00 AM

@joe, thx. will try that next time i'm playing it

Hobo Xiphas · 03/25/2007, 01:15 AM

The SMS is worth it just for Missile Defense 3-D. I hate lightgun games usually, but Missile Defense 3-D is all kinds of rad.

The SMS has an awesome design, I don't know what you guys are talkin' about. The whole play button diagram on the front alone makes it kickin' rad!

Tatsujin · 03/25/2007, 02:40 AM

agree. but i like the mark III design the most. the sms got some rad games which would never be possible on a FC in technical point of view. the sms had a great colorpalette as well, which let the games look much more closer to arcade-like as any other 8-bitter in that time.
just playing r-type and aleste at the moment, and they're amazing. especially together with the japanese FM sound.

Joe Redifer · 03/25/2007, 02:48 AM

The end boss in Segagaga for the Dreamcast where the Mark III comes in and the FM unit slaps onto it and you can see the excessive amounts of power flowing from it is AWESOME!

Why didn't Japan get any of the light gun games? They got 3D games, right? I know Mark Cerny was at least partly responsible for the creation of the 3D glasses.

Tatsujin · 03/25/2007, 02:54 AM

yes the 3D-glasses came out here (which are fu**ing expensive nowadays) . and the JPN SMS already contains the 3D-glasses adaptor, which the oversea version didn't.

Joe Redifer · 03/25/2007, 03:12 AM

I wonder what would happen if you plugged in the USA 3D glasses adapter into the card slot of the Japanese SMS? Would they both work, would one take take priority over the other or would the system explode?

Tatsujin · 03/25/2007, 03:17 AM

maybe, never tried this out.

CrackTiger · 03/25/2007, 05:52 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/25/2007, 03:12 AMI wonder what would happen if you plugged in the USA 3D glasses adapter into the card slot of the Japanese SMS? Would they both work, would one take take priority over the other or would the system explode?

I've wondered the same thing since I got my first Mark III SMS, but still haven't bothered to pick up the damn 3D glasses. Once I do get the glasses, I should be able to test it out since I have a U.S. SMS to Mark III converter and can just run a U.S. 3D cart.

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/26/2007, 12:24 PM

My favorite SMS design would have to be the Master System Girl. What can I say, I like pink!

Seriously, the original SMS has the best design. I can't love the SMS without a card slot.

KungFuKid · 03/27/2007, 04:43 PM

Master system girl / super compact is awful. Good idea but really horrible to play on - it's just too big, and playing 2 player can just be annoying as the 2nd player joypad is effectively connected to your own controller (the system itself!).

Have to repeat what others have said about the game library - anyone who says it's limited obviously doesn't know anything about the system. I have around 300 unique games many of which are simply brilliant.

http://raccoonlad.topcities.com/compare/compare.html

Just to show the superiority in most games.

Keranu · 03/27/2007, 05:24 PM

Quote from: kungfukid on 03/27/2007, 04:43 PMhttp://raccoonlad.topcities.com/compare/compare.html

Just to show the superiority in most games.

Great link. Now call me crazy, but I actually thought some NES games looked better than the SMS versions on that page! I'm not going to argue though about which console is more powerful, that's an obvious winner for SMS

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CrackTiger · 03/27/2007, 07:47 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 03/27/2007, 05:24 PM
Quote from: kungfukid on 03/27/2007, 04:43 PMhttp://raccoonlad.topcities.com/compare/compare.html

Just to show the superiority in most games.
Great link. Now call me crazy, but I actually thought some NES games looked better than the SMS versions on that page! I'm not going to argue though about which console is more powerful, that's an obvious winner for SMS .

Yeah, although that is an entertaining page, they used some bad examples if they were trying to be biased towards SMS.

It should be common knowledge to non-1up.com/EGM editors that the SMS is a big step above NES visually in the right hands.

But that doesn't mean the NES isn't capable of nice graphics in its own right.

Joe Redifer · 03/27/2007, 09:53 PM

I think that despite it's lower vertical resolution that the SMS has better graphics overall than the NES. The games usually have much more detail and bolder colors. Try playing NES Fantasy Zone for a half an hour. Now plug in the SMS version. OH MY! However I think the NES has better sound than the SMS. Of course that's not to say that the SMS didn't have tons of enjoyable sound and music.

Keranu · 03/27/2007, 10:28 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/27/2007, 09:53 PMTry playing NES Fantasy Zone for a half an hour. Now plug in the SMS version. OH MY! However I think the NES has better sound than the SMS. Of course that's not to say that the SMS didn't have tons of enjoyable sound and music.

I haven't played the NES version of Fantasy Zone, but that was one of the games in that page kungfukid posted that I thought looked better on NES. Of course I would have to see it in game though

. Altered Beast on SMS is like lightyears ahead of the NES on the other hand.

Joe Redifer · 03/28/2007, 01:20 AM

I noticed that Fantasy Zone comparison as well. I have the game here and believe me there is zero comparison, especially the way the game moves. Perhaps I should post an awesome video comparison! The Sega Master System version has Blast Processing.

esteban · 03/28/2007, 01:46 AM

On the comparison page, did they list some unlicensed games? MKII, SFII -- were these officially released for NES? There were other titles that might fit into this category, but ....

Joe Redifer · 03/28/2007, 02:54 AM

Here is a Fantasy Zone comparison video in the sophisticated and elegant "WMV" format which was invented by Thomas Edison's reanimated corpse:

Click here to download!!! 7 Megs or so.

Had to record to videotape, sorry. I'll be damned if I lug my game systems upstairs to the computer.

Hobo Xiphas · 03/28/2007, 05:00 AM

Quote from: stevek666 on 03/28/2007, 01:46 AMMKII, SFII -- were these officially released for NES?

No. They are bootlegs.

Keranu · 03/28/2007, 06:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/28/2007, 02:54 AMHere is a Fantasy Zone comparison video in the sophisticated and elegant "WMV" format which was invented by Thomas Edison's reanimated corpse:

Click here to download!!! 7 Megs or so.

Had to record to videotape, sorry. I'll be damned if I lug my game systems upstairs to the computer.

Sorry, Joe. Even though, as usual, I highly appreciate your efforts, I'm gonna have to sorta disagree with you on this one, yeeeaaahhhh. I thought the NES version looked and sounded better. I couldn't really tell the choppiness, I'll just play it in an emulator some time.

CrackTiger · 03/28/2007, 07:11 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 03/27/2007, 10:28 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/27/2007, 09:53 PMTry playing NES Fantasy Zone for a half an hour. Now plug in the SMS version. OH MY! However I think the NES has better sound than the SMS. Of course that's not to say that the SMS didn't have tons of enjoyable sound and music.
I haven't played the NES version of Fantasy Zone, but that was one of the games in that page kungfukid posted that I thought looked better on NES. Of course I would have to see it in game though . Altered Beast on SMS is like lightyears ahead of the NES on the other hand.

That Fantasy Zone comparison was one of the specific ones I was thinking of when I mentioned poor choices to take screenshots from. That stage is probably the best/most faithful looking of the NES version. The first stage would've been way more effective to illustrate the loss from arcade to SMS to NES.

These pics are STOLEN from vgmuseum-