Digital Foundry, your thoughts?

[Dicer]

Well, I got banned from good ole Neogaf.com (as did a ton of others) due to a DF thread on Mario Kart 8 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=824680

Maybe because I'm an older gamer that came up from the get go, but IMHO DF is doing nothing  for the industry and gamers in general. People seem to be more concerned about FPS/refresh rates/resolution etc etc etc than actually enjoying the game. It amazes me that people are freaking out over a single frame, going as far as to call it jarring and even saying it ruins the experience... Granted some people may be able to see SOMETHING but I watched a ton of 60fps footage and haven't seen a damned thing. It drives people crazy esp when it's some cross platform title.

What are others thoughts, is it important to have something like this around, or is it just digital dick waving for the sake of it?

[Joe Redifer]

What the hell is Digital Foundry?

[Dicer]

What the hell is Digital Foundry?

Sorry should have linked

http://www.eurogamer.net/?topic=digital_foundry

[Dicer]

I can't read. All 20 pages of the thread... at least. Why all the bans?  Seems like DF like to overanalyze boring mundane shit, and some people shrugged it off while others thought the world was ending.  WAs it just the difference of opinion that led to the bans or somewhere in theat thread did a lot of you get all pedobear?

Mine was because I called people picking shit like this apart insane (not verbatim but basically)Others were probably along the same lines, they'll let me back in after E3...

You have been banned for the following reason:
Shitposting in the Digital Foundry thread. Now you get to miss E3.

Date the ban will be lifted: 06-14-2014, 07:00 PM

If people can see this "constant micro studder" well sucks for them I guess. If it's something that can be patched it'll probably get patched, if it's just a coding trick then some people will just have to miss out

Wii U is down atm so it gives people a target, and it's mostly ignored by the moderation over there...But yeah DF threads in general are shit-show and people bicker over the tiniest details, but they have the right to do so I guess.

[Joe Redifer]

What the hell is Digital Foundry?

Sorry should have linked

http://www.eurogamer.net/?topic=digital_foundry

That doesn't really help. Eurogamer is a website but what is Digital Foundry? Are they a developer? Their own review site? I can't seem to find their website. It always takes me to Eurogamer. It's like trying to find out what EGM is but always being taken to GamePro. Maybe it would help if I paid more attention to modern games.

[PCEngineHell]

The whole point of Digital Foundry is to analyze in full detail the performance of the software relative to the hardware it is running on, including the pros and cons. This is done with pc gaming all of the time, and to be honest even normal reviews of games expose performance flaws often, and have been since like, forever.

Anyway, it has less to do with rating/reviewing the actual entertainment value, so you need to keep that in mind. If this sort of thing is not for you, just move on. Not like you have to read it, and its dumb to bitch about or get upset over it given its focus is for techies mostly, and it definitely has nothing to do with Wii U bashing, as they are critical in detail on all the systems concerning performance flaws, etc in their articles.

[geise]

Don't worry about it.  You made it here.  That's all that matters. 

[o.pwuaioc]

Wait, people still post on NeoGaf? Why again?

[wildfruit]

Nintendo UK are giving away a free game with every registration of mk8
Not bad

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Maybe because I'm an older gamer that came up from the get go, but IMHO DF is doing nothing  for the industry and gamers in general. People seem to be more concerned about FPS/refresh rates/resolution etc etc etc than actually enjoying the game. It amazes me that people are freaking out over a single frame, going as far as to call it jarring and even saying it ruins the experience...

Honestly, it sounds like you're the one with the problem.   D.F.  says straight up that it's a nigh perfect game with only one minor flaw that's really only worth mentioning because Nintendo's flagship titles are usually flawless.

[Dicer]

Maybe because I'm an older gamer that came up from the get go, but IMHO DF is doing nothing  for the industry and gamers in general. People seem to be more concerned about FPS/refresh rates/resolution etc etc etc than actually enjoying the game. It amazes me that people are freaking out over a single frame, going as far as to call it jarring and even saying it ruins the experience...

Honestly, it sounds like you're the one with the problem.   D.F.  says straight up that it's a nigh perfect game with only one minor flaw that's really only worth mentioning because Nintendo's flagship titles are usually flawless.

Naw, I just don't like the shitstorm they create. I'll have that sucker downloading the instant it's available.

I just don't like the modern aspect of picking everything apart, instead of just enjoying it for what it is.

[o.pwuaioc]

I just don't like the modern aspect of picking everything apart, instead of just enjoying it for what it is.

Nitpicking. It's one thing to point out a game's flaws, but I still to my mind can people get upset when things don't run at a perfect 60fps or has an occasional ghosting or something. Yes, I would like my games to be as good looking as possible, but I honestly don't care that much about it. I am in the overall aesthetic camp, not the "good graphics" camp.

[Mzo]

That doesn't really help. Eurogamer is a website but what is Digital Foundry? Are they a developer? Their own review site? I can't seem to find their website. It always takes me to Eurogamer. It's like trying to find out what EGM is but always being taken to GamePro. Maybe it would help if I paid more attention to modern games.

He linked you to the page that collects all the Digital Foundry articles in Eurogamer.  The banner says it all right there:

Digital Foundry: in-depth technical analysis of games and gaming hardware at Eurogamer.net

It's an article series on Eurogamer, like back in the stone age when magazines had recurring columns. They basically break down all the different versions of a modern game (usually console and PC) and tell you everything about how they compare to each other: FPS, effects used, etc. They also do breakdowns of individual games and give you all the specs, like they did with MK 8.  I think the bullshit on GAF started because DF found that MK 8 tends to run at an average of 59 FPS instead of 60. Yup, found it:

What this ultimately means is that, during normal gameplay, Mario Kart 8 continually drops down to 59fps. This may not seem like a big deal - most will probably not notice it at all, and it has zero affect on playability - but it has a noticeable impact on image fluidity that mars what would otherwise be a perfectly consistent frame-rate. And for us at least, once it is seen, it can't really be unseen.

Fucking lol at that!

I think it's a good service, anyway.  Nothing wrong with it except the fans are crazy idiots.

[jlued686]

I go to NeoGAF quite often because they get a lot of gaming info first, and I tend to trust the opinions of the "average" gamer more than the "up-our-own-asses/pseudo-intellectual" gaming media.

But one thing I will say about GAF is that they love to sit around and pontificate about frame rate. Every other thread is a frame rate analysis and I guarantee the majority of the people posting in those threads can't see what they're talking about.

Enjoy the game!

[PCEngineHell]

I go to NeoGAF quite often because they get a lot of gaming info first, and I tend to trust the opinions of the "average" gamer more than the "up-our-own-asses/pseudo-intellectual" gaming media.

But one thing I will say about GAF is that they love to sit around and pontificate about frame rate. Every other thread is a frame rate analysis and I guarantee the majority of the people posting in those threads can't see what they're talking about.

Enjoy the game!

Framerate tends to matter for me depending on the game involved. Some games even on pc are locked to 30fps anyway, even now, and even if not, some games handle fps below 60 fine, like RTS games, rpgs, and slower moving first and 3rd person view games like Crysis, Doom 3, Red Faction, or GTA. As long as games like these stay at 30 or above they usually feel fluid, have smooth gameplay.


Something like Quake 3 or COD dropping frames at below 50-60 fps and I can notice though, especially on multiplayer, because of the usually consistently high frame rate and fast gameplay on the PC side of things.

Its also really evident in many racing titles. Its one of the peeves, in fact one of my only gripes anyway with Split Second for PC, because it was locked to 30fps. I could tell it was locked to it right from the start, and running fraps confirmed it for me. Transformers: War for Cybertron was another that stood out to me as being framelocked at 30fps, and running fraps confirmed that one for me also. I think it just takes certain types to notice this kind of stuff visually.