Anti-Vaccine/Vaccination Movement

[wildfruit]

My o- blood is superior to all your dirty + blood. You terrestrial beings.

[mitsuman]

As for vaccines/anti-vaxxers, sure, it is okay to have some doubts. But TALK TO A GOD DAMNED DOCTOR/SCIENTIST/PHARMACIST ABOUT YOUR DOUBTS. Don't turn to Dr Oz, Jenny McCarthy, or even Penn & Teller. Do some fucking real research.

And Phase, if you are worried about man made chemicals entering your body, I sure hope you have a sustainable food/water supply at your own home. If not, say hello to thousands of things you are putting into your body that are not "natural".

[EvilEvoIX]

Lizard people are all within our Government.  Louis C.K. sniffed on out here:

Lost: Louis CK Donald Rumsfeld Lizard O and A

[Phase]

lolz, I guess if you question vaccines you believe in lizard aliens from mars now lol better get my They Live shades on 

While I'm sure to most adults the mercury levels are low enough now not to really effect them. I am still concerned about small kids and look at all the other crap in these shots. Remember this is directly into your blood and not ingesting where your body is able to filter more. What and who are these vaccines tested on and for how long, what are long term side effects and are these even being looked at? I am doubting they are doing 20 year tests before they roll one of these things out. You have to remember this is a business and not some all loving mother making these things. I'd like to see better treatment once you have one of these viruses. And having better non vaccine prevention.

Here is an interesting article thats more on topic
http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2752:the-vaccine-war-a-forgotten-history&catid=5:original&Itemid=24

"What their data shows is a large 98.6% decrease in death from measles from 1912-1963 when the measles vaccine was introduced"

What would the graphs look like if vaccines were not used, would they flatten out.. what do you think?

[NecroPhile]

You're dumber than a sack of hammers.

[Phase]

Very constructive Necro

[mitsuman]

And having better non vaccine prevention.

You just basically said having a better non-preventing prevention to diseases.

[NecroPhile]

Constructive or not, it's 100% accurate.  If you weren't such a bleeding idiot, here's a few things that wouldn't need explaining:

1)  NOBODY is arguing that thiomersal is good for you; it's already been removed from most all vaccines, and the few that still use it are also available in thiomersal free versions; and there are ZERO scientific studies that suggest it's a substantial risk anyway.  Why do you keep bringing it up like it's important?

2)  Most vaccines in use today have been in use for more than 20 years, yet not a one of 'em has proven to pose a substantial risk.  The idea that they're full of unknowns, untested, and dangerous is just laughable.

3)  Arguing for better treatment after the fact in lieu of vaccines is equally ridiculous.  Who in their right mind would prefer to get deathly ill yet live instead of never getting the disease at all?  I suppose the doctors and drug companies would love that, though, as then they'd get to rake in the cash for all the extra office visits, treatments, and hospital stays.

4)  Those stats have nothing to do with the efficacy or risks of vaccines, so what's your point?  Are you really trying to say that virtually zero deaths today is no better than 40 deaths per year (based on the mortality rate in '63) plus the thousands of kids that'd get sick but live?!?  That drop in the mortality rate since 1900 is mostly due to medical advancements and improved access to care (you'll find similar drops for ALL maladies over the same period), so you'd be better off looking at how measles vaccines have helped in developing countries: 75% drop since 2000.

[wildfruit]

Best part of childhood immunisation. Its free! Its all free!

[cjameslv]

If peeps don't want to get their kiddos vaccinated, I'm okay with it as long as they stay the fuck home.  Don't put others at risk.

umm...if your vaccinated, how are you at risk?

[xcrement5x]

If peeps don't want to get their kiddos vaccinated, I'm okay with it as long as they stay the fuck home.  Don't put others at risk.

umm...if your vaccinated, how are you at risk?

Not everyone can be vaccinated.  Very young children are not able to until a certain age, or children with immune disorders or those fighting cancer.  Also a small percentage of the population just doesn't build the immunities well even with the vaccine.  Those people are protected from getting something like measles because of herd-immunity. 

Essentially it works like this.  If the vast majority of the population is immune to something already because of vaccinations, then those who are unable to have the vaccination and make the antibodies are protected basically because no one that they would come in contact with would have it. 

[OldRover]

While I'm sure to most adults the mercury levels are low enough now not to really effect them. I am still concerned about small kids and look at all the other crap in these shots. Remember this is directly into your blood and not ingesting where your body is able to filter more. What and who are these vaccines tested on and for how long, what are long term side effects and are these even being looked at? I am doubting they are doing 20 year tests before they roll one of these things out. You have to remember this is a business and not some all loving mother making these things. I'd like to see better treatment once you have one of these viruses. And having better non vaccine prevention.

These non-arguments have been used by antivaxxers for years and years now. The answers are simple:

-There is negligible difference in mercurial toxicity between children and adults. Not only that, but the mercury concentration used in older vaccines was still way, way below the toxicity level for even infants. This is probably the oldest and most easily debunked scares in all of the history of anti-vax lunacy.
-What "other crap"? Be more specific.
-The method of introduction is immaterial. This is a nonsense argument.
-There is no need to do long-term testing of this type for two reasons. One, long-term testing "in the wild" has already been done with vaccines that came long before, and two, scientists already know about all possible contraindications. It is a pointless waste of time to do extensive testing when you already know the shit works.
-Microsoft is a business, yet most people use Windows and not Linux. This is a bullshit argument.
-The whole point of vaccines is to prevent people from getting preventable diseases.
-Yeah... ask Steve Jobs how well "alternative medicine" worked out for him. Oh wait...

[Psycho Punch]

I am fully vaccinated, I even took the Influenza Type A vaccine in the 2009 "outbreak". Maybe that's the reason I only write shit posts in online boards? Guess it's time to quarantine myself out of contact with other users (AKA post only on DoxPhile where no one will bother to go).

A piece of advice: close this thread.

seriously necro
close it








or move it to Fighting Street before people get too serious here.

[esteban]

I still love Psycho Punch.

Anyway, this thread is a testament to why we suck my left one.

We will always find something to fight over.

I just find it more fun to fight over trivial shit (like why Dragon Spirit PCE is awesome and you suck if you don't like it. YOU SUCK. And it has so many great songs. SUCK MY LEFT ONE.)

I love you all.

[_Paul]

Do homeopaths vaccinate themselves with water?

[xcrement5x]

Do homeopaths vaccinate themselves with water?

OH MY GAWD!

Don't get me started on homeopaths, there was some dude trying to sell a homeopathic cure to Ebola several months ago and I was like WTF?!

[CGQuarterly]

A doctor tells you to vaccinate your kids, but hey he's just part of the big pharma machine.

BETTER LISTEN TO JENNY MCCARTHY INSTEAD. 

Fucking Morons.  You fucking morons brought back measles.  MEASLES!  What's next, the black plague?  Jesus fucking Christ.  Phase, what's your stance on airplane contrails and on 9/11?  Serious question.

[wildfruit]

Do homeopaths vaccinate themselves with water?

yea. As long as its Evian though. Nothing else will do.
Seriously though if I was in charge, I would make NHS vaccinations compulsory. Too many hipster parents choosing to opt out now places a potential burden in a generation's time that could easily be avoided. Seriously who wants polio to resurge??

[cjameslv]

Do homeopaths vaccinate themselves with water?

Silly it's not called a vaccine its called a colonic when you inject water into your ass (this should help clear it up):

[wildfruit]

^^those soles though.

[CGQuarterly]

I'd colonic the fuck out of that.

[NightWolve]

[technozombie]

Well I'm a little late to this thread but....

Everything in life is associated with risks, getting on the road to go to work increases your chance of getting hit by a car. It's a calculated decision, the odds of you getting killed on the road are slim enough that you(most of you anyways) continue to do it.  There really is no other option besides getting  vaccinated. Without vaccinations the risk of deadly/crippling disease would be so much higher than the potential for side effects of the shot itself.

My son started to show signs of tourrets syndrome at the age of 10. This was not caused by a vaccine. It sucks but sometimes things just happen, that is part of life.

Polio Pics for emphasis:

[NecroPhile]

A piece of advice: close this thread.

seriously necro
close it

or move it to Fighting Street before people get too serious here.

How 'bout I just ban off topic posters and whiners?