True stories of utter failure: Golden Axe (PC-Engine CD)

[xolik]

Let me first start off by stating that I really liked "Golden Axe" when it first came out. The genesis version was pretty rocking and I have many fond memories playing it over and over again with each character.

So when I saw Golden Axe up on Ebay for the PC-Engine, naturally I was interested. "One of my favoirte games on my favorite system? And it's even on CD! This MUST be good!" So I hit the 'Buy it now' button and shelled out about $30 for it without giving the price a second thought. I mean, I was going to get GA on my TG-16! What's there NOT to be excited about!

A week later it arrived. I eagerly rushed upstairs and popped the disc into my beloved Turbo and fired it up. WOW! Nice cinemas! They show how Death Adder was born and everything! The character select screen looked promising as well. (Although I don't remember Ax Battler being quite so anime looking, but hey, it's Japanese.) Then I was treated to another nice introductory cinema. So far, so good!

Right about this point in game development, the programmers must have decided to quit. Either that, or they are the most sadistic SOBs that ever walked the face of the earth. The game is practically unplayable. The controls are horrible, the character animation is looks like it was done using two frames only and there is massive slow down whenever more than three things are on the screen at once. And forget about getting past the first level as the bosses are insanely difficult.

I'd challenge anybody to to try to beat this game, but I wouldn't want to wish this sort of steaming pantload upon anybody. I suppose the CD music was nice, but nice music and pretty cinemas do not make up rest of this failed abortion of an acrade port. Save your money, boys and girls, it's just not worth it. If anything, I learned a valuable lesson in researching a game prior to purchase.

I'd rate 3\10. It got two extra points for nice cinemas and good music.

[esteban]

yes, this is a sad game. I might take you up on your challenge to beat the first boss! i've listened to the red book tracks and there are a LOT of cinema scenes!  What a goddam shame.

Speaking of bad games, I have Altered Beast on CD... unfortunately, there is hardly any red book audio!  I can't remember if I ever played the CD version of AB, but I have played the HuCard version via ME -- not too  good.  And that's taking into account that AB was a flawed game to begin with.

[OldRover]

Altered Beast was a crappy game even in its "prime". I have no idea why it spawned so many ports.

[xolik]

AB definately qualifies as a 'total failure' as well. I've got the HuCard version and I find that is almost as unplayable as GA is. But at least I made it to the second level on AB.  

[TurboHuC6280]

Altered Beast was a crappy game even in its "prime". I have no idea why it spawned so many ports.

"WISE FWOM YOU GWAVE!!!!!!"

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[twor2005]

I know how bad this is supposed to be, but I can't help wanting it. Wow a "hardtype" version of Golden Axe with cutscenes!  

[jlued686]

I loved Golden Axe in the arcade.  A friend of mine sat one afternoon and beat the whole thing.  It's a shame the PCE version sucks so badly.

[CrackTiger]

Golden Axe was one of my very first CD games. After getting ripped for $500 from a store adverting in EGM, I was still dying to get a Turbo CD.

The local electronics store in my home town had a Turbo CD and Fighting Street and Monster Lair.

But after a visit to japan, they brought back Golden Axe, Side Arms Special and Super Darius.

Once I managed to order another Turbo CD from Radio Shack, I Golden Axe and Super Darius(2 or 3 months before the actual Turbo CD arrived) and later Side Arms Special.

I used to look through the manuals everyday imagining what the games would be like and wondering why we couldn't get nice color art filled manuals over here.

Before this, Golden Axe was the one game that the store had opened to demo the system.

Everyone was blown away by the overall pesentation(menus and such), especially the CD voice(more so than the cinemas). And even the Genesis lovers(during the console wars) wouldn't knock the in-game content too much since even they understood how limited the original Golden Axe is gameplay-wise anyways.

Like all Turbo games I owned, I played the game to death. After mastering it, I would play through and finish it again and again.

The gameplay is pretty much intact, but some of the enemies are too cheap and Death Adder in particular is just ridiculous.

Its easiest with Tyris, not too bad with Axe Battler but near impossible with Gilius Thunderhead.

The ending cinemas are satisfying but not too long and are similar. But at least each character does get their own ending.

I don't know if the developers had access to the original content that went into the arcade original or anything, but it is unfortunate that the didn't take advantage of the PC Engine's abilities to produce what should've been the definitive version of the game.

I still love it, flaws and all. But knowing the games as well as I do, I realize that the aesthetics aren't THAT far off, the gameplay is more or less intact except for the excess cheap spots. I've always found the biggst short-coming to be the sound effects.

I'm just glad that I was able to experience it as I did back in the day so I can appreciate itto this day. Otherwise I wouldn't give it a chance either.

However, the game is worth it for the soundtrack alone if you're a 'classic' arcade fan.

Let me first start off by stating that I really liked "Golden Axe" when it first came out. The genesis version was pretty rocking and I have many fond memories playing it over and over again with each character.

So when I saw Golden Axe up on Ebay for the PC-Engine, naturally I was interested. "One of my favoirte games on my favorite system? And it's even on CD! This MUST be good!" So I hit the 'Buy it now' button and shelled out about $30 for it without giving the price a second thought. I mean, I was going to get GA on my TG-16! What's there NOT to be excited about!

A week later it arrived. I eagerly rushed upstairs and popped the disc into my beloved Turbo and fired it up. WOW! Nice cinemas! They show how Death Adder was born and everything! The character select screen looked promising as well. (Although I don't remember Ax Battler being quite so anime looking, but hey, it's Japanese.) Then I was treated to another nice introductory cinema. So far, so good!

Right about this point in game development, the programmers must have decided to quit. Either that, or they are the most sadistic SOBs that ever walked the face of the earth. The game is practically unplayable. The controls are horrible, the character animation is looks like it was done using two frames only and there is massive slow down whenever more than three things are on the screen at once. And forget about getting past the first level as the bosses are insanely difficult.

I'd challenge anybody to to try to beat this game, but I wouldn't want to wish this sort of steaming pantload upon anybody. I suppose the CD music was nice, but nice music and pretty cinemas do not make up rest of this failed abortion of an acrade port. Save your money, boys and girls, it's just not worth it. If anything, I learned a valuable lesson in researching a game prior to purchase.

[VestCunt]

So when I saw Golden Axe up on Ebay for the PC-Engine, naturally I was interested. "One of my favoirte games on my favorite system? And it's even on CD! This MUST be good!" So I hit the 'Buy it now' button and shelled out about $30 for it without giving the price a second thought. I mean, I was going to get GA on my TG-16! What's there NOT to be excited about

yep, i did the exact same thing a few years ago.
i would go so far as to compare the PC engine Golden Axe with the Master System version in the gameplay department.  choppy as hell and a pain in th ass to play.  when i got my SMS in 92 with Golden Axe i did have some fun playing it once i got the controls down and beat it a few times.
if you take away the cinema scenes and narrow the character selection down to just Ax Battle they're pretty much the same game, even the graphics.

[Keranu]

I still haven't played Golden Axe for PCE CD yet, but I'd love to try it.

I've only played the PCE version of Altered Beast on ME and I can honestly say it's not as bad as you guys put it to be. To me at least, the graphics look better than the Genesis version and I can't remember if the sound was better, but I'd probably say so since I love the PCE PSG. There were two things that sucked about the PCE version though and that was the controls and the fact that it didn't have the cheesy voices (at least I don't remember it having them)! The sucky thing ab00t the controls is that you have to press UP to jump and that's quite annoying compaired to the Genesis version. It's not terrible though once you get used to it. Also can't you use a 3 or 6 button pad for the PCE version of Altered Beast?

And to people who have played both the PCE and PCE CD versions of Altered Beast, is the CD version better in any ways or is it the exact same as the HuCard?

[GUTS]

You know Altered Beast gets a lot of shit, but it did it's job back in the day.  I remember all my friends in grade school were totally blown away by how awesome and badass the game was and wanted Genesis systems for Christmas.  Hell I still think it's a cool game.

I always wished they would have made a sequel where you could actually go at your own pace and explore levels as a beast though, that would have ruled.  I'm half tempted to buy the new PS2 version even after hearing some so-so reviews of it, I just need to find an import copy cheap.

[TurboHuC6280]

You know Altered Beast gets a lot of shit, but it did it's job back in the day.  I remember all my friends in grade school were totally blown away by how awesome and badass the game was and wanted Genesis systems for Christmas.  Hell I still think it's a cool game.

I always wished they would have made a sequel where you could actually go at your own pace and explore levels as a beast though, that would have ruled.  I'm half tempted to buy the new PS2 version even after hearing some so-so reviews of it, I just need to find an import copy cheap.

I always thought it had terrible gameplay.  The graphics and monsters were cool though.  It was a decent game, but nothing I got excited about.

"WISE FWOM YOU GWAVE!!!!"

[Keranu]

I still think Altered Beast is a badass game up to today. It was really sweet when I was a kid and seeing the buff dudes take steroids and turn into monsters. That was ab00t the coolest thing a kid could ever see.

[OldRover]

Everyone's got their own opinions and their right to their opinions but I will stay steadfast to mine which says that AB is one of the grandfathers of suck.

Anyone ever play Time Killers? I'm just glad that one wasn't ported to the PCE (the Genesis got a port, which sucked even worse than the suck-ass arcade version). The grand poo-bah overlord godfather of suck: Time Killers.

[TurboHuC6280]

Everyone's got their own opinions and their right to their opinions but I will stay steadfast to mine which says that AB is one of the grandfathers of suck.

Anyone ever play Time Killers? I'm just glad that one wasn't ported to the PCE (the Genesis got a port, which sucked even worse than the suck-ass arcade version). The grand poo-bah overlord godfather of suck: Time Killers.

HA.  Took me a minute to remember that game.  I had to look it up on Google.  I only played it once, but it was a total turd of a game.    I had almost stripped it of my memory until you reminded me of the suckitude.

[OldRover]

True suck never dies!          

[ParanoiaDragon]

I actually "used" to love Time Killers back in the day, I'm not totally sure why though, I used to have the Gen version which was pretty weak.

[Liquid Snake]

You know Altered Beast gets a lot of shit, but it did it's job back in the day.  I remember all my friends in grade school were totally blown away by how awesome and badass the game was and wanted Genesis systems for Christmas.  Hell I still think it's a cool game.

I always wished they would have made a sequel where you could actually go at your own pace and explore levels as a beast though, that would have ruled.  I'm half tempted to buy the new PS2 version even after hearing some so-so reviews of it, I just need to find an import copy cheap.

PS2 version isn't bad at all.
I love it

[twor2005]

Everyone's got their own opinions and their right to their opinions but I will stay steadfast to mine which says that AB is one of the grandfathers of suck.

Anyone ever play Time Killers? I'm just glad that one wasn't ported to the PCE (the Genesis got a port, which sucked even worse than the suck-ass arcade version). The grand poo-bah overlord godfather of suck: Time Killers.

HA.  Took me a minute to remember that game.  I had to look it up on Google.  I only played it once, but it was a total turd of a game.    I had almost stripped it of my memory until you reminded me of the suckitude.

For some reason it seems like there was some talk of porting Time Killers to the Duo at some point.

[ElSeven]

maybe this is a stupid idea, maybe it's impossible, i dunno.

But from what it sounds like, the pce ver of Golden Axe sounds like it has a lot going for it, with a few minor setbacks.  Would there be anyway to hack the ISO and fix the problems, making this game as great as it should have been?

...just a thought.

[OldRover]

It's possible, but a more feasible idea would be to hack out all the good stuff (cinemas, music, etc) and replace the gameplay itself with an entirely new engine. I've never played the PCE port of Golden Axe so I don't know what kind of corrections would have to be made but perhaps it's something I'd be willing to look into in the future.

[PCEngineHell]

HEY!!!!! STOP KNOCKING ON TIME KILLERS!!!!
Time Killers had really good play mechanics,left arm,right arm,left leg,right leg attacks,plus both arm or both leg attacks,along with a head attack and taunt.A good amount of special moves,decaps and cutting off arms anytime in the fight.The game had more play depth then Mortal Kombat,and was made in the U.S. It was also one of the first arcade games to boast 32-bit sound,in stereo,when most games had sad stereo sound,or worse,were in mono.
I love Time Killers,Bloodstorm,and the arcade version of Street Fighter the movie game.Strata knew how to make a good fighter,and you can either like theirs or hate them.I think it depends on the person.If you only like SNK/Capcom fighters,then yea,I could see how Stratas games could turn you away.Blood,gore,vibrant colors,32-bit audio,large sprites,lots of special moves.......yea,who wanted all that back in 92-95....

[lord_cack]

.If you only like SNK/Capcom fighters,then yea,I could see how Stratas games could turn you away.Blood,gore,vibrant colors,32-bit audio,large sprites,lots of special moves.......yea,who wanted all that back in 92-95....

Oh all that is fine and good, except that the horrible controls made the all those moves null and if it doesn't control well then the rest is just icing on a stale cake....

[OldRover]

UGH you mentioned two of the worst fighting games of all time: Time Killers AND Street Fighter: The Movie. UGH! Never played Bloodstorm though so I can only go by the other reviewers I read that say the game sucked even more ass than Time Killers...

Time Killers had some of the worst animation I've ever SEEN. Games from 10 years prior had smoother animation than that game.

But uhh...I guess you seem to like technical highpoints rather than a game that's actually fun to play and doesn't look like something that crawled out of a monkey's ass...well, to each their own.

Mortal Kombat was also made in the US.

[Keranu]

Actually Street Fighter: The Movie wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be when I first played it for Saturn because all the hardcore fighting game fans I talked to said it sucked. It plays very similar to Street Fighter II games (though not quite as accurate and well, but close enough) but just has really dorky real life graphics like in Mortal Kombat.

<ehem, cough>KoF'98 is the best fighting game ever made!</ehem, cough>

[PCEngineHell]

Street Fighter the movie game for Saturn and Playstation was different then the arcade game.The arcade game was infact way different.The home game was by Capcom.It played like Super SF 2 Turbo.
The arcade game played like SF meets Killer Instinct meets Time Killers.It had tons of secrets,like a trick where on the Vega cage stage you could do a button combination and crowd members would blow up.You could do wonderful combos,and air juggles.I used to be able to do a 20 hit combo with Vega on the game.The game was very dark image wise,with really cool backgrounds,and the blood was plenty.

[PCEngineHell]

Play it on Mame.Mame runs it.

[PCEngineHell]

Mame runs all the Strata games for that matter.

[PCEngineHell]

I never had a single problem pulling off any move in Time Killers.Nor Sf The Movie arcade game.Nor Blood Storm for that matter.And none of my friends complained either.I was best with Rancid or Mantaz in Time Killers.In SF the Movie,the arcade version,which I will say again is very different then the home version,I was wonderful with Vega and Akuma and Blade.
All the people who complain about Time Killers or Blood Strom I think are  like the same kids whose ass I  kicked at the arcade on those games.They bitched to no end.I would usually finish someone off by the 10 sec of the round doing a dizzy combo and decap,or total slice dice kill"that means both arms and head came off".And you know what,they came back for more anyway,why?Because those game were FUN.The player didnt have to be a SF wiz to play them,they for the most part could jump on and just play.This applied to MK as well.Where I lived more people played the Time Killers cab then the MK one though.Nobody played the SF 2 Champ cab at that point in time.
I bet you Time Killers haters hated Way of the Warrior also....
Game Fan was the only mag that loved Way of the warrior,Blood storm,and the arcade SF the Movie.And you know what?Game Fan was the only mag back then that wasnt in a companies pocket,it was the best mag,and it didnt spread lies,create  rumors,and have crappy blured screen pics.
Go figure.I bet you Time Killer/Blood Storm haters love EGM and GAME Pro too huh????

[OldRover]

Wow, that was the most one-sided, horribly jaded post I've ever seen you write. How do you know Game Fan wasn't paid a large sum of money by Strata to totally kiss their ass and write up such shockingly great reviews when everyone else insisted that these games sucked donkey eggs?

I hated all the magazines anyways and still do.

Makes me wonder what kind of deranged people live in your town...        

[lord_cack]

This conversation has decomposed into a steaming pile. The games were not good, by most peoples accounting of quality.

Fine you liked a horribly junky game. You feel the game magazine industry had set out a vendeta (paid for by Capcom of course) against said terrible game. Thats fine and dandy. You liked the game. Fine. I thought it should have its own landfill next to E.T.'s landfill. Big deal.

I mean everyone has there gaming skeletons in there proverbial closets. I mean by the average gamers accounting of quality we ALL as Turbo fans play games that suck.....

[GUTS]

The stupidest part about Time Killers (other than the HORRIBLE character design) was that you could kill your opponent one round, then they're back alive for the next.  Mortal Kombat at least made sense, you could only kill your opponent after the fight was over.  I remember even when I was a kid I thought that was f'n stupid.

[PCEngineHell]

Wow, that was the most one-sided, horribly jaded post I've ever seen you write. How do you know Game Fan wasn't paid a large sum of money by Strata to totally kiss their ass and write up such shockingly great reviews when everyone else insisted that these games sucked donkey eggs?

I hated all the magazines anyways and still do.

Makes me wonder what kind of deranged people live in your town...        

Did you ever read any DIE HARD GameFan mags?They were about the only mag people left who covered import stuff heavy,as well as NeoGeo full reviews,Pc-Engine,PC-FX.Your insane to knock that mag!!!!
They were the only mag to review Strider Arcade Card version,as well as the SNK ports,with a full review,tons of nice res pics and what not.It was the only mag to even get respect from Next Generation,which never knocked any other mags itself,but would openly admit that the guys at Gamefan were great.And you know what,GameFan is gone due to money problems,why???Because they were not on the take.They had a great review crew,each showing their own opinions on games,if they game really did suck,they ripped it a new one in full detail,telling of all the weak points they felt it had,with 2 pages chock full of pics,and they actually cared about game makers like Treasure and Wolf Team.Do you even remember EGM covering the Turbo/Pc-Engine after the US death?Same for GamePro??? No I didnt think so.Am I really that old that only guys like me remember things like this?Jesus Im only 28.

[PCEngineHell]

This conversation has decomposed into a steaming pile. The games were not good, by most peoples accounting of quality.

Fine you liked a horribly junky game. You feel the game magazine industry had set out a vendeta (paid for by Capcom of course) against said terrible game. Thats fine and dandy. You liked the game. Fine. I thought it should have its own landfill next to E.T.'s landfill. Big deal.

I mean everyone has there gaming skeletons in there proverbial closets. I mean by the average gamers accounting of quality we ALL as Turbo fans play games that suck.....

Funny you say this,capcom in the US failed to sue Data East over Fighters History and how it played,and you should know that if they had won the court case,they would have went after SNK next,as alot of ex-Capcom employees had defected to SNK,most of them infact worked on Samurai Showdown,as they were openly accusing SNK,Konami"because of the Turtles fighting games using half quarter motions to toss projectiles",Data East and whoever else.
And I never said Capcom went after Strata,they infact liked them alot,and wanted the Strata group to do the SF The Movie Arcade game,gave them full rights to do what they wanted with the arcade version and what not,and make the game how they saw fit.You know this wasnt normal at all for Capcom,as SF was their cashcow,and they could have done the game themselves.For the record again,I did not say that Capcom paid anyone to give Time Killers or Blood Storm a bad review,but I DID say that the only mags who gave the games BAD reviews were the terribly sold out Shushi X crew and the Frog Boys at Lame Pro.
The same guys who dumped on all the systems we love to play,who gave up on them before we did,and who didnt even bother to cover any wonderful imports that were still being released.Maybe it was because they had to devote 5 pages to  covering crap games like Johnny Bazookatone on PSX all the time,who knows,you tell me?Need anothe rexample,Ninja Masters on Neogeo,EGM gave it terrible reviews,knocking the animation,audio,gameplay,and everything else.If you have a NeoGeo,MVS at least,Im sure you have ran across a cart of it at one time or another,and know way better.The game was wonderful.Now its one of the hardest AES carts to get.GO FIGURE!

[PCEngineHell]

Incase you decided to look up info about it,here is the court info youd need:
Capcom U.S.A., Inc. v. Data East Corp., 1994 WL 1751482 (N.D. Cal. 1994)
That will get you what you need to know about the case.

[GUTS]

Michael, just out of curiousity why do you not put a space after commas and periods?  It makes your posts really hard to read.

[PCEngineHell]

With a 9 year old boy,7 year old girl,and 1 year old boy running about,remembering to do these things tend to slip my mind.

[lord_cack]

This conversation has decomposed into a steaming pile. The games were not good, by most peoples accounting of quality.

Fine you liked a horribly junky game. You feel the game magazine industry had set out a vendeta (paid for by Capcom of course) against said terrible game. Thats fine and dandy. You liked the game. Fine. I thought it should have its own landfill next to E.T.'s landfill. Big deal.

I mean everyone has there gaming skeletons in there proverbial closets. I mean by the average gamers accounting of quality we ALL as Turbo fans play games that suck.....

Funny you say this,capcom in the US failed to sue Data East over Fighters History and how it played,and you should know that if they had won the court case,they would have went after SNK next,as alot of ex-Capcom employees had defected to SNK,most of them infact worked on Samurai Showdown,as they were openly accusing SNK,Konami"because of the Turtles fighting games using half quarter motions to toss projectiles",Data East and whoever else.
And I never said Capcom went after Strata,they infact liked them alot,and wanted the Strata group to do the SF The Movie Arcade game,gave them full rights to do what they wanted with the arcade version and what not,and make the game how they saw fit.You know this wasnt normal at all for Capcom,as SF was their cashcow,and they could have done the game themselves.For the record again,I did not say that Capcom paid anyone to give Time Killers or Blood Storm a bad review,but I DID say that the only mags who gave the games BAD reviews were the terribly sold out Shushi X crew and the Frog Boys at Lame Pro.
The same guys who dumped on all the systems we love to play,who gave up on them before we did,and who didnt even bother to cover any wonderful imports that were still being released.Maybe it was because they had to devote 5 pages to  covering crap games like Johnny Bazookatone on PSX all the time,who knows,you tell me?Need anothe rexample,Ninja Masters on Neogeo,EGM gave it terrible reviews,knocking the animation,audio,gameplay,and everything else.If you have a NeoGeo,MVS at least,Im sure you have ran across a cart of it at one time or another,and know way better.The game was wonderful.Now its one of the hardest AES carts to get.GO FIGURE!

I really don't see where this conversation fits into the overall conversation of crappy lame games.

The point is, everyone likes what they like, but if your gonna like crap then your gonna get crap for it.

And on that note, I would like to change the direction of this topic....

"WHAT IS THE WORST GAME YOU LIKE THAT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD THINKS IS CRAP?" (so now we can toss crap on everyone and not have to have people feeling left out )

Mine, would be...well I only enjoy games that game reviewers think are great ....(note....that WAS sarcasm )

[PCEngineHell]

Im starting to wonder if you enjoy games at all.
But hey either way,Ill entertain this one.
These are not my favorites,but none the less I like them very much.
Death Duel.
Pit Fighter.
Space Gun.
Narc.
Sam and Max hit the road.
Metal and Lace 1 and 2.
Party Breakers.
Robocop.
Bad Dudes.
Silphead for the PC.
Way of the Warrior.
Crash and Burn.
Ultra Vortek.
Defender 2000.
Tempest 2000.
Shatterhand.
The Guardian Legend.
Golvelious.
Starblade.
Galaxy Fight.
Hellfire.
Air Busters.
Shock Troopers 2nd squad.
Magic Swords.
Evil Zone.
Riot Zone.
Blazing Tornado.
Beachhead.
T2 for the Nes.
Road Avenger.
Time Gal.
Stral.
Blue Lightning.
Ninja Gaiden arcade game.
Rastan 1 and 2 arcade.
I have noticed that alot of people didnt like any of these games at all.

[lord_cack]

Im starting to wonder if you enjoy games at all.
But hey either way,Ill entertain this one.
These are not my favorites,but none the less I like them very much.

Narc.
Robocop.
Bad Dudes.
Tempest 2000.
Shatterhand.
The Guardian Legend.
Air Busters.
Magic Swords.
Ninja Gaiden arcade game.
Rastan 1
I have noticed that alot of people didnt like any of these games at all.

You named a few games that were really good, I don't know why anyone wouldn't like these games. Well, a couple are pretty much rip offs of other games but still good?

Im starting to wonder if you enjoy games at all.
But hey either way,Ill entertain this one.
These are not my favorites,but none the less I like them very much.

Pit Fighter.
Way of the Warrior.


I have noticed that alot of people didnt like any of these games at all.

A couple of them just aren't...in fact, Pit Fighter.....that one is crap...real crap...

[lord_cack]

Im starting to wonder if you enjoy games at all.

I like games a lot actually. But, I am very, very picky....I like what I like, and I don't like what I don't.

[OldRover]

I remember Shatterhand...one of the very few NES games I really tried to conquer but never did. And I wasn't knocking the mag that you sound like you sleep with at night as if it's your little binky, I'm explaining to you that you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes so to arbitrarily say that they weren't sucking off a load from a different company doesn't mean they actually weren't. And like I said...I hated all game magazines because every one of them were nothing more than full-colour spinjobs, catering to whatever genre or console they liked best...INCLUDING Gamefan. I'll be the first to say that EGM was among the worst for this kind of favouritism (they knocked a lot of Neo Geo games left and right) but they all sucked when it all comes down to it. And I'm 30, btw.

EDIT: Oh ya...Tempest 2000 was awesome.

[RCduck7]

EDIT: Oh ya...Tempest 2000 was awesome.

I have recently bought and played this game for the first time and it kept me almost in some kind hypnotic trance.  


And i didn't use drugs.

Great game!

[ParanoiaDragon]

Im starting to wonder if you enjoy games at all.
But hey either way,Ill entertain this one.
These are not my favorites,but none the less I like them very much.
Pit Fighter.
Narc.
Robocop.
Bad Dudes.
Way of the Warrior.
Crash and Burn.
Defender 2000.
Tempest 2000.
Golvelious.
Starblade.
Galaxy Fight.
Hellfire.
Aero Blasters.
Magic Swords.
Evil Zone.
Riot Zone.
Blazing Tornado.
Stral.
Blue Lightning.
Ninja Gaiden arcade game.
Rastan 1 I have noticed that alot of people didnt like any of these games at all.

These are all great games, well, Pit Fighter isn't great, but for me, it don't stink.  I can't comment for some of the games I took off the list since I didn't play them.

[CrackTiger]

Everyone's got their own opinions and their right to their opinions but I will stay steadfast to mine which says that AB is one of the grandfathers of suck.

Anyone ever play Time Killers? I'm just glad that one wasn't ported to the PCE (the Genesis got a port, which sucked even worse than the suck-ass arcade version). The grand poo-bah overlord godfather of suck: Time Killers.

See, now a game like Time Killers puts it all in perspective.

At least a super-simple basic game like Altered Beast is playable, the aesthetics cool enough for the time and makes sense as a coin-up.

Truly bad games have little or no redeeming qualities.

[CrackTiger]

[quote="WHAT IS THE WORST GAME YOU LIKE THAT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD THINKS IS CRAP?" (so now we can toss crap on everyone and not have to have people feeling left out )

Mine, would be...well I only enjoy games that game reviewers think are great ....(note....that WAS sarcasm )[/quote]


Night Creatures!

I only commited myself to beating it because of the challenge(and it's still a Turbo game), so I could at least tell myself that I actually did it.

A few years later an online friend commented on it saying how noone could beat it and how he'd give anything to see the ending.

So I mapped out the game again, making a walkthrough in the process and sent him a VHS tape of the last area and ending.

Although before beating it, I still thought that it had a lot of pottential had it been developed properly, learning to compensate for the game's shortcomings gameplay wise has made me appreciate it all the more.

It, even more so than Shape Shifter was Symphony Of The Night years before SOTN/NITML even came out.

Honestly, if the game wasn't such a challenge, I wouldn't respect it for what it is the way I do.

[twor2005]

[quote="WHAT IS THE WORST GAME YOU LIKE THAT EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD THINKS IS CRAP?" (so now we can toss crap on everyone and not have to have people feeling left out )

Mine, would be...well I only enjoy games that game reviewers think are great ....(note....that WAS sarcasm )

Night Creatures!

I only commited myself to beating it because of the challenge(and it's still a Turbo game), so I could at least tell myself that I actually did it.

A few years later an online friend commented on it saying how noone could beat it and how he'd give anything to see the ending.

So I mapped out the game again, making a walkthrough in the process and sent him a VHS tape of the last area and ending.

Although before beating it, I still thought that it had a lot of pottential had it been developed properly, learning to compensate for the game's shortcomings gameplay wise has made me appreciate it all the more.

It, even more so than Shape Shifter was Symphony Of The Night years before SOTN/NITML even came out.

Honestly, if the game wasn't such a challenge, I wouldn't respect it for what it is the way I do.[/quote]


I always thought that one would be fun if it was just a bit more possible or played a bit better. I wonder if anyone could hack it to make the controls a bit better? Heck i'd settle for an invincibility hack. Same thing with ghoul's and ghosts on the supergrafx.

[PCEngineHell]

So sence you never read any game mags,how did you learn about new games coming out?Did you get news letters from someone on a Unix cash account or something who lived in Japan?Did you just have to check your local Toys R Us to see what new Turbo games they had?Go to Wal-Mart alot for the new Nes titles?
That would blow.
BTW GameFan covered every system with as much detail as possible,even the FM Towns Marty.I dont remember them sticking to just any certain one or 2 favs.

And no,I dont have any GameFan mags anymore,I gave them to a local game store owner here in town a year ago.He gave me  a import Dreamcast in the box complete.It was the special box with the stupid looking Sega employee on it who got his ass kicked in a tv ad over there before the DC was released.it was the "We may be down but not out" ad.
I fetched over 100 bucks for that thing,so I was pretty happy with the trade.I never slept with a mag of any kind under my binky,if I did I wouldnt have kids now ,or a life for that matter.Speaking of having a life,when is your shareware title for Magic Engine going to be done?Is it going to be free,or am I going to have to pay 10 bucks to get the full game?

[ParanoiaDragon]

CrackTiger, you wouldn't by any chance be Kabuki from the old Turbo Grafx Network, would ya   He's the only one I knew of that made a walkthru for Night Creatures & Neo Metal Fantasy, plus, low n' behold, your avatar is Kabuki!  I'm Projectblowed_mc over there, I'm doing music for the Frozen Utopia group now, we got some great stuff planned!

[PCEngineHell]

O yea,I kind of noticed,its basically just the 2 of you with negative replies back towards me here Nodtveidt and lord_cack.So besides making shareware together,planning on how best you can get around to making the next Zelda clone by rehashing the same old sprites from the last 2,oops I mean Netopia 3,and spending your time "together" trying to knock me on this forum here,am I  to assume you guys do more then that?Do you do everything as a team?
And sence we are on the subject of bad games,untill yours "finally ever" get released,come out as a download or whatever,how do we know yours isnt going to be the next worst suck ass game ever made?Right there with Turrican,or TV Sports Basketball,or the U.S. Last Battle?Heck your crap could even end up being voted worse on here,then maybe even Street Combat on Snes,which Im sure some here remember,as it was Ranma 1/2 raped of all its worth.But hey,sence both of you are true judges on whats bad,maybe you will overcome all this and they will blow our minds away,with a truely great story,graphics with great animation,voice acting,music,control,and what ever else you know must be put in there to make it a "whats according to you" great game.
Well see soon wont we....