Bonk 3 Hu-card or Bonk 3 CD?

cho_aniki · 05/19/2007, 12:54 PM

Are Bonk 3 Hu-card and Bonk 3 Cd exactly the same game? Which one do you blokes recommend? What exactly is the versus mode on the Cd version of the game?

Joe Redifer · 05/19/2007, 01:05 PM

The vs mode is exactly like Street Fighter 2 in every single way, only 100% different in each aspect.

I think the HuCard version's tunes sound better to me.

grahf · 05/19/2007, 01:49 PM

I got the hucard, simply because it wont break if I scratch it. Im partial to hucards though.

Turbo D · 05/19/2007, 02:16 PM

I'd say go pick up the hucard. If you are rich and have 250 to throw down on the table, get the cd version.

GUTS · 05/19/2007, 02:21 PM

The cd version is much cheaper now, I paid around $70 for mine on ebay complete. I wish I would have bought the hucard version instead though, there are too many black screen loading pauses, it gets irritating, I like my Conk with no load times and chip tunes. I only bought the CD version because I thought it was the hucard that went for big bucks.

OldRover · 05/19/2007, 02:21 PM

I personally think the hucard version is better. The CD version is missing some animations.

nat · 05/19/2007, 04:22 PM

Here's another vote for the HuCard. Overall, the music on the HuCard isn't as good as the first two games. But there is a lot of music that really shines and some songs that really really kick ass.

The music on the HuCard for level 6-3 is probably my favorite song from any Bonk game, ever. I also really enjoy the music in the jungle levels.

I've never played the CD version, but I have heard the CD sound track and I can tell you it's not as good as the HuCard.

Quote from: GUTS on 05/19/2007, 02:21 PMthere are too many black screen loading pauses, it gets irritating, I like my Bonk with no load times and chip tunes.

What he said.

ParanoiaDragon · 05/19/2007, 11:44 PM

I love the cd soundtrack, however, none of it, or atleast most of it, is not in the typical Bonk style, which is why I've thought about remaking all the music myself, with congo's & all.

Kaminari · 05/20/2007, 05:50 AM

I'm not a fan of the CD soundtrack (although made by T's Music). Even worse, it's lacking some tunes, which makes it very repetitive compared to the PSG chippies. And loading times are painful when you're used to the HuCard. I think there's a reason why the CD version wasn't released in Japan.

kid_rondeau · 05/20/2007, 08:25 AM

I only have the CD, but plan on getting the chip eventually. I think the boss music is really catchy! (Well, there are two different boss musics...I'm talking about the one for bosses 1 and 2.)
For people who have heard both: do you think it sounds better on chip or CD?

Joe Redifer · 05/20/2007, 07:50 PM

The only crappy thing about the HuCard is that it doesn't come in a jewel case. It came out at a time when NEC hated Americans with an extreme passion and well as having contempt for all videogamedom. That's right... it's released in a cheap cardboard box, with only a crappy plastic tray inside to hold the abrasive slipcover that they started using. The CD at least gets a jewel case (surprising that it wasn't just a cardboard slip case knowing how much NEC hated quality at the time).

nat · 05/20/2007, 08:23 PM

That's true. Upon receiving my first game this way back in '92, I immediately started buying empty generic CD jewel cases at my local CD store for $0.25 a piece and punching out the little teeth inside that would hold a CD.

I also started scanning the back of the cardboard boxes and then printing them out to use as back inserts for the generic jewel cases.

Joe Redifer · 05/20/2007, 08:31 PM

That's a good idea, though nowadays just buy 900 copies of Vigilante at $1 each and you'll have all of the HuCases you'll ever need! Then just buy some sticky printer paper to print the spine labels on.

ParanoiaDragon · 05/20/2007, 08:43 PM

Quote from: nat on 05/20/2007, 08:23 PMThat's true. Upon receiving my first game this way back in '92, I immediately started buying empty generic CD jewel cases at my local CD store for $0.25 a piece and punching out the little teeth inside that would hold a CD.

I also started scanning the back of the cardboard boxes and then printing them out to use as back inserts for the generic jewel cases.

Cool, I've been doing the same thing for years! I also do that with 3Do & PS1 games that are in the bigger cases, as well as all my Saturn games!

Keranu · 05/20/2007, 09:17 PM

To give the CD version some credit, there is a really fun hidden two player mode. I forget how to access it exactly, but if you scroll all the way over the right of some level, I believe there is a flower that will take you to this special mode where you can play three (?) different mini games with two players and they're quite fun if I recall. Also I really like the CD soundtrack, maybe not as much as the chiptunes, but it's still some good stuff.

On the other hand, I believe there was a glitch in the CD version that if you ate the big meat and tried turning into the maximum pissed off Bonk, it would still display his normal sprite.

Nazi NecroPhile · 05/21/2007, 01:37 AM

The versus mode is slightly entertaining, but it's nothing to wet your pants over. The music is mediocre either way, but unless you prefer Red Book, you'll likely prefer the slightly better HuCard music. The two versions are so close that the only two things that really matter are cost and portability, so I recommend the HuCard.

OldRover · 05/21/2007, 02:04 AM

Quote from: Keranu on 05/20/2007, 09:17 PMOn the other hand, I believe there was a glitch in the CD version that if you ate the big meat and tried turning into the maximum pissed off Bonk, it would still display his normal sprite.

No glitch...tis a memory limitation. Bonk 3 is a massive game, and I shudder to think of how much memory had to be dedicated to the graphics alone. It's no surprise they had to cut some to fit into 256k.

Keranu · 05/21/2007, 04:22 AM

Quote from: OldRover on 05/21/2007, 02:04 AM
Quote from: Keranu on 05/20/2007, 09:17 PMOn the other hand, I believe there was a glitch in the CD version that if you ate the big meat and tried turning into the maximum pissed off Bonk, it would still display his normal sprite.
No glitch...tis a memory limitation. Bonk 3 is a massive game, and I shudder to think of how much memory had to be dedicated to the graphics alone. It's no surprise they had to cut some to fit into 256k.

Why doesn't this problem occur in the HuCard version then?

ParanoiaDragon · 05/21/2007, 04:29 AM

I think Nod's talking about, how much can be loaded all at one time. I think that includes the music, & any adpcm that is in some of the levels. Though, I'm not the one to ask. I always thought it was a glitch as well, & wondered if someone could just fix the glitch, not to mention adding paralax. Sounds like none of that is possible unless it was an arcade cd maybe?

offsidewing · 05/21/2007, 12:06 PM

QuoteThe versus mode is slightly entertaining, but it's nothing to wet your pants over. The music is mediocre either way, but unless you prefer Red Book, you'll likely prefer the slightly better HuCard music. The two versions are so close that the only two things that really matter are cost and portability, so I recommend the HuCard.

I have the SCD version and the game is ok. Personally, I like Bonk's Revenge better but the Co-Op in 3 is cool. The versus mode is novel for 30 seconds, but my 6 year old loves beating daddy in Bonk Wrestling. I don't know what it is, but I feel like the CD quality music takes away from the game. It just doesn't gel very well.

Sometime I'd like to pick up the Hu version, but I can't bring myself to spend any more that $50 on ANY video game no matter how much I love the Turbo.

GUTS · 05/21/2007, 03:11 PM

Probably because loading the sprite data from a hucard is way faster than pausing the game and loading it from a CD.

OldRover · 05/21/2007, 07:40 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 05/21/2007, 04:22 AMWhy doesn't this problem occur in the HuCard version then?

Because the HuCard version doesn't have the 256KB limitation, a program can access the entire ROM memory space. Bonk 3 is 8mbit, or 1MB, four times the size of the SCD memory. As someone who has experimented with huge sprites on this console, I can tell you without doubt that using such hefty sprites consumes a TREMENDOUS amount of RAM. It's no surprise that these were cut from the design.

Keranu · 05/21/2007, 08:27 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 05/21/2007, 07:40 PMAs someone who has experimented with huge sprites on this console, I can tell you without doubt that using such hefty sprites consumes a TREMENDOUS amount of RAM.

Hmm I wonder what project this line is referring to?

BonkThis · 05/22/2007, 08:37 AM

The lack of case, must also explain why I have no case for soldier blade, new adventure island and hit the ice... bastards. I never realized it before.

offsidewing · 05/22/2007, 10:36 AM

Quote from: BonkThis on 05/22/2007, 08:37 AMThe lack of case, must also explain why I have no case for soldier blade, new adventure island and hit the ice... bastards. I never realized it before.

Yeah. You either got lame hucard graphics with a labeled case, or cool hucard art with no case.

ParanoiaDragon · 05/23/2007, 12:49 AM

One cool thing about the cd version, is that the manual features the original PC Genjin artwork, rather then the lame US artwork that was on the Hucard version.

nat · 05/23/2007, 11:08 AM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 05/23/2007, 12:49 AMOne cool thing about the cd version, is that the manual features the original PC Genjin artwork, rather then the lame US artwork that was on the Hucard version.

Really? You like the Japanese version better?

For the Bonk games, I've actually always preferred the USA artwork... Especially in the case of Bonk 3.

But I guess I'm partial to lots of the USA covers.

offsidewing · 05/23/2007, 11:20 AM

Quote from: nat on 05/23/2007, 11:08 AM
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 05/23/2007, 12:49 AMOne cool thing about the cd version, is that the manual features the original PC Genjin artwork, rather then the lame US artwork that was on the Hucard version.
Really? You like the Japanese version better?

For the Bonk games, I've actually always preferred the USA artwork... Especially in the case of Bonk 3.

But I guess I'm partial to lots of the USA covers.

I never made the distinction between countries of origin, but I like the SCD cover a bit better. The HuCard looked a tad on the lame side. Again, this has nothing to do with The Rising Sun vs Stars and Bars.

Keranu · 05/23/2007, 05:36 PM

Quote from: nat on 05/23/2007, 11:08 AM
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 05/23/2007, 12:49 AMOne cool thing about the cd version, is that the manual features the original PC Genjin artwork, rather then the lame US artwork that was on the Hucard version.
Really? You like the Japanese version better?

For the Bonk games, I've actually always preferred the USA artwork... Especially in the case of Bonk 3.

But I guess I'm partial to lots of the USA covers.

Me too, especially the first game. Bonk's Revenge cover actually looks more Japanese-ish though.

ParanoiaDragon · 05/24/2007, 01:31 AM

I used to hate the way he was drawn in Japan, but, the more I saw of it, the more I grew to love it. I think for Americanized versions of covers, I like Bonk's Revenge the best.

neversummer · 03/12/2009, 02:20 PM

Why is Bonk 3 so expensive? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250386991036 This one has no spine and a cracked case yet people are bidding like madmen!

nectarsis · 03/12/2009, 03:39 PM

HOLY NECROPOST BATMAN!! ;)

Bonk 3 was one of the very last US games released (if not the last ...the debate rages). Add to that the Ebay factor=BIG $.

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/12/2009, 03:40 PM

Word, nectarsis.

It's just supply and demand. There's plenty of people willing to shell out the coin for one of the few copies made (this is a legitimately rare title with a relatively low print run), so it collects a fairly high price.

P.S. - This title never had a case or spine, so I wouldn't expect the condition of a replacement case to affect the price by much. It'd be a different story if it had the box and plastic tray; then I'd expect it to sell for another $20-30.

nectarsis · 03/12/2009, 03:44 PM

QuoteWord, nectarsis.

It's just supply and demand. There's plenty of people willing to shell out the coin for one of the few copies made (this is a legitimately rare title with a relatively low print run), so it collects a fairly high price.

P.S. - This title never had a case or spine, so I wouldn't expect the condition of a replacement case to affect the price by much. It'd be a different story if it had the box and plastic tray; then I'd expect it to sell for another $200-300.

Added zeros for Ebay stupidity ;)

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/12/2009, 03:49 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 03/12/2009, 03:44 PMAdded zeros for Ebay stupidity ;)

Perhaps, but that's where my boxed copy came from about a year ago.

nectarsis · 03/12/2009, 03:59 PM

Well we all know not EVERYONE falls into teh overpriced nonsense ;)

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/12/2009, 04:15 PM

Quote from: nectarsis on 03/12/2009, 03:59 PMWell we all know not EVERYONE falls into teh overpriced nonsense ;)

Like whatever fool goes for this douche_squad gem. What a train wreck: no sleeve, an 'original' case (super rare no label edition), and a manual for the disc version.

spenoza · 03/12/2009, 06:26 PM

I wish eBay users could easily report this crap. EBay would notify the seller that the truth of their ad has been contended and they need to counter or change the ad.

geise · 03/13/2009, 01:58 PM

Quote
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/12/2009, 03:59 PMWell we all know not EVERYONE falls into teh overpriced nonsense ;)
Like whatever fool goes for this douche_squad gem. What a train wreck: no sleeve, an 'original' case (super rare no label edition), and a manual for the disc version.

What the Jebus?

Haha a SCD manual with an Hu card game...classic!

Duo_R · 03/13/2009, 10:08 PM

if u go with the import hucard u can save alot on buying Bonk 3.....

jperryss · 03/13/2009, 11:51 PM

Quote from: Duo_R on 03/13/2009, 10:08 PMif u go with the import hucard u can save alot on buying Bonk 3.....

Yup, RisingStuff has it for $33 and that's where I plan on getting it eventually.

Of course, you have to buy a bunch of stuff at once to make the shipping costs worthwhile.

Press_Run · 03/14/2009, 01:33 AM

Quote from: nectarsis on 03/12/2009, 03:59 PMWell we all know not EVERYONE falls into teh overpriced nonsense ;)

Unfortunately, it's the nonsense of the few that we end up paying for. We're not stupid enough to pay $$$ for a game but now sellers content on their products for reaching a ridiculously, high price preparing for the coming of their god, the lobotomized, rich monkey.

Duo_R · 03/17/2009, 12:06 AM

That is where I got mine! Seriously some games are really worth importing!

Quote from: jperryss on 03/13/2009, 11:51 PM
Quote from: Duo_R on 03/13/2009, 10:08 PMif u go with the import hucard u can save alot on buying Bonk 3.....
Yup, RisingStuff has it for $33 and that's where I plan on getting it eventually.

Of course, you have to buy a bunch of stuff at once to make the shipping costs worthwhile.

Sparky · 03/19/2009, 03:26 PM

Quote from: Press_Run on 03/14/2009, 01:33 AM
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/12/2009, 03:59 PMWell we all know not EVERYONE falls into teh overpriced nonsense ;)
Unfortunately, it's the nonsense of the few that we end up paying for. We're not stupid enough to pay $$$ for a game but now sellers content on their products for reaching a ridiculously, high price preparing for the coming of their god, the lobotomized, rich monkey.

nonsense of the few.... hmmm, ya i agree with you Press_Run on what you said which relates mostly to ebay i think which a rarely buy from, but i know as i get closer to completing my TGCD/Duo games i am finding my "Want" can start over riding my common sense at times. Of coarse if it is ridiculous pricing i laugh and stay the hell away but if it is priced somewhat higher than what i want to spend i find my self thinking about it. It is a dangerous game wanting something and we all have been there.

Even now with my TG16 Hucard collection being finished i would pay up to $10 or maybe more for 1 of the 4-5 manuals i am missing. When you get closer to finishing your collection you may find your self fighting that urge to spend those big bucks.

Press_Run · 03/19/2009, 05:15 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/19/2009, 03:26 PM
Quote from: Press_Run on 03/14/2009, 01:33 AM
Quote from: nectarsis on 03/12/2009, 03:59 PMWell we all know not EVERYONE falls into teh overpriced nonsense ;)
Unfortunately, it's the nonsense of the few that we end up paying for. We're not stupid enough to pay $$$ for a game but now sellers content on their products for reaching a ridiculously, high price preparing for the coming of their god, the lobotomized, rich monkey.
nonsense of the few.... hmmm, ya i agree with you Press_Run on what you said which relates mostly to ebay i think which a rarely buy from, but i know as i get closer to completing my TGCD/Duo games i am finding my "Want" can start over riding my common sense at times. Of coarse if it is ridiculous pricing i laugh and stay the hell away but if it is priced somewhat higher than what i want to spend i find my self thinking about it. It is a dangerous game wanting something and we all have been there.

Even now with my TG16 Hucard collection being finished i would pay up to $10 or maybe more for 1 of the 4-5 manuals i am missing. When you get closer to finishing your collection you may find your self fighting that urge to spend those big bucks.

That's one way to interpret it...but not what I meant. Let me reiterate:

Those who buy these games at ridiculously high prices (in a lapse of sense, logic, or brain cells) create a shadow standard for which misleads other sellers to believe their stuff should match the unbelievable large price tag no less. Despite disproving their "rational" reasons, the idea of a big fat payday is still stuck in their heads and painfully holding to the day some rick monkey will come along. What's worse is eventually some monkey will match their price and before you know it, everybody gets on the idiot wagon, buying up everything for a "bargain" price. Like how getting Y's III for $80 is a "bargain" compared to $100. And now thanks to that mess, I feel I have to conform to their prices or be considered a cheapskate. (A title I have no objection with.

)

Besides that, I know what you mean Sparky. The number of cheapies on my wanted list is dwindling fast. Soon enough, I'll have to start searching for the expensive ones. Recently, I offered a guy on Ebay $10 for just the box of Y's III. Is it kinda high for a box, then again I did get the game complete for $3.

nat · 03/19/2009, 11:59 PM

Just the other day I saw a seller selling a "L@@K complete LIKE NEW RARE" (his words, not mine) Chew Man Fu for a Buy-It-Now of $70 OBO. Thinking I'd stumbled across some rare promo-only edition, I eagerly viewed his listing only to find out it... was... the... regular version....

So I sent him an offer of $20 with the attached message "This game is not rare."

He countered with "Are you stupid? This is the only copy on eBay, this game is RARE!" and a counteroffer of $65.

See, I never really intended to buy it, since I knew there was a -45% chance he'd accept my offer if he was actually expecting a ballpark of $70 for a low-profile, high print-run title like Chew Man Fu. But every time I see shit like this, I feel like I have do SOMETHING constructive as opposed to simply bitching about it. If pointing out the sad truth to these pathetic ball lickers is all I can do, then so be it.

I haven't bought a Turbo game on eBay in like 2 years because of this sort of thing. Since the real (post-TTi) TZD shut down in December of '07, this epidemic has really flourished out of control. They may not have sold a shit ton of games, but they really put an effective cap on this stuff. I barely glance at eBay for Turbo stuff these days, maybe once a month or so, and it's exponentially worse every time whereas between '01 and '07 it kind of hit an effective plateau thanks to TZD's pricing standard.

Just back in '05 or so, a US Bonk 3 cart would fetch around $80 or so w/ manual, and back then, we thought THAT was pretty bogus. Now people are gleefully shelling out multiple Benjamins for it without thinking twice.

quoth09 · 03/20/2009, 12:20 AM

Quote from: Duo_R on 03/13/2009, 10:08 PMif u go with the import hucard u can save alot on buying Bonk 3.....

Also, keep in mind the game is unedited in Japan, as the US has fear of teh gay connotations. The only real extra you get with the US CD is CD audio, and trust me, it's not that impressive. I will stick to my JP HuCard, k thx.

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/20/2009, 10:53 AM

Quote from: nat on 03/19/2009, 11:59 PMSee, I never really intended to buy it, since I knew there was a -45% chance he'd accept my offer if he was actually expecting a ballpark of $70 for a low-profile, high print-run title like Chew Man Fu. But every time I see shit like this, I feel like I have do SOMETHING constructive as opposed to simply bitching about it. If pointing out the sad truth to these pathetic ball lickers is all I can do, then so be it.

Hey, this is fun. I took my turn laughing at the scrotum sucker:

QuoteWe're sorry, but reynoso738 has declined your Best Offer for US $15.00.

My attached message:

QuoteThere are multiple current listings for this title, so it is far from legitimately rare.

P.S. - You should try cleaning your keyboard (or purchase a new one), as your current keyboard seems to have a malfunctioning 'Caps Lock' key.

Vecanti · 03/26/2010, 01:27 AM

Quote from: Keranu on 05/20/2007, 09:17 PMTo give the CD version some credit, there is a really fun hidden two player mode.

Anybody know how to access the mini-games on the CD version of Bonk III? I've seen screen shots of the Volleyball game, but don't know how to access these.

Thanks!

Nazi NecroPhile · 03/26/2010, 09:38 AM

Quote from: GobanToba on 03/26/2010, 01:27 AMAnybody know how to access the mini-games on the CD version of Bonk III? I've seen screen shots of the Volleyball game, but don't know how to access these.

In each level, there's a "vs" door that'll let you play 'em. I don't remember if there's an option on the title screen to access them directly, but I can check my copy this weekend (it's been too long since I've played it anyway).