RETRO VGS Kickstarter incoming

esteban · 09/02/2015, 11:10 AM

What's hilarious is, as far as I know, we STILL DON'T KNOW the terms and conditions for folks who want to publish games are!

What sort of license fees? Profit-sharing? Guarantees?

The only thing I read about is that the VGS folks know that they could NEVER expect any sort of exclusivity deal with an independent publisher because VGS has not established a significant user-base, nor does VGS have truckloads of $$$ to bribe a developer with.

So, we still don't know what the term and conditions are, which is the most important thing for a developer/publisher.

CrackTiger · 09/02/2015, 12:02 PM

They can get exclusivity deals for almost any game, they just have to pay enough for it. Maybe they'll do separate kickstarters for each exclusive. Anyone foolish enough to back the console will be happy to pay to have a game remain exclusive until the console goes under soon after.

geise · 09/02/2015, 01:08 PM

I love how it is a "retro" console with analogue nubs. Granted it could be nice for games like outrun or space harrier. Still though. Analogue with retro? I guess ps1 and Saturn is retro?

LostFlunky · 09/02/2015, 02:04 PM

Quote from: geise on 09/02/2015, 01:08 PMI love how it is a "retro" console with analogue nubs. Granted it could be nice for games like outrun or space harrier. Still though. Analogue with retro? I guess ps1 and Saturn is retro?

Atari 5200?

SignOfZeta · 09/02/2015, 04:25 PM

Quote from: geise on 09/02/2015, 01:08 PMI love how it is a "retro" console with analogue nubs. Granted it could be nice for games like outrun or space harrier. Still though. Analogue with retro? I guess ps1 and Saturn is retro?

Let's see classic games with analog controls...

Pong Comes to mind. Missile command. Star Wars. Tron. Breakout. Arkanoid. Tons of Apple II games. Vectrex.

Frankly, there are hundreds.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/02/2015, 04:29 PM

The Bally Astrocade.

esteban · 09/02/2015, 04:29 PM

KABOOM!

Paddle

2600

Still motherf*cking awesome (the timing, later, when it gets crazy, and HELL YES it is frantic).

Believe.

Psycho Punch · 09/02/2015, 04:53 PM

Kaboom feels like downgraded arkanoid and nothing will change my mind about it.

LostFlunky · 09/02/2015, 06:03 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 04:53 PMKaboom feels like downgraded arkanoid and nothing will change my mind about it.

Arkanoid is downgraded Breakout.

esteban · 09/02/2015, 08:02 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 04:53 PMKaboom feels like downgraded arkanoid and nothing will change my mind about it.

Kaboom is a catchemup.

Believe.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/02/2015, 08:10 PM

lol how are you playing Kaboom that you think it feels like anything similar to Arkanoid.

mickcris · 09/02/2015, 09:10 PM

this is too funny. now they said they are going to have cartridge adapters for NES, coleco, intelivision, and Atari 2600 games to justify the high price tag. They really did not do themselves any favors by announcing this thing so early with no idea what the final product would be.

LostFlunky · 09/02/2015, 09:26 PM

It is looking more and more like an elaborate prank... sadly, it isn't.

SignOfZeta · 09/02/2015, 10:21 PM

There is nothing prankish about it, nothing nefarious or scheming either. Some people just have to learn the hard way that it's a terrible idea to take people's money before you've got a product to deliver.

The guy could have just read up on how much work goes into a product like this, even a bad one, before its done. He could have figured this out for himself. Now he'll have to learn in front of the entire internet.

I wonder what maniac will receive the ultimate backer perk: 2000 lbs of Jaguar tooling.

elmer · 09/02/2015, 10:22 PM

Quote from: mickcris on 09/02/2015, 09:10 PMthis is too funny. now they said they are going to have cartridge adapters for NES, coleco, intelivision, and Atari 2600 games to justify the high price tag. They really did not do themselves any favors by announcing this thing so early with no idea what the final product would be.

Hahahaha .... so it really is a $400 Retron 5! And those "Cartridge Adapters" will be an extra cost option.

They still don't have any idea what the final product will be.

CrackTiger · 09/02/2015, 10:38 PM

If this thing in whatever final form does actually end up releasing, I hope that someone comes out with a Retro VGS cart adaptor for the Retron 5 or similar fake consoles.

It'd be hilarious if you have the option of buying a Retro VGS + 6 cart adapters for $800 or a Retron 5 + Retro VGS cart adapter for $250 and play the same libraries.

esteban · 09/02/2015, 10:44 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 10:38 PMIf this thing in whatever final form does actually end up releasing, I hope that someone comes out with a Retro VGS cart adaptor for the Retron 5 or similar fake consoles.

It'd be hilarious if you have the option of buying a Retro VGS + 6 cart adapters for $800 or a Retron 5 + Retro VGS cart adapter for $250 and play the same libraries.

Hahahhahahahahahhahhaha.

elmer · 09/02/2015, 11:54 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 10:38 PMIf this thing in whatever final form does actually end up releasing, I hope that someone comes out with a Retro VGS cart adaptor for the Retron 5 or similar fake consoles.

It'd be hilarious if you have the option of buying a Retro VGS + 6 cart adapters for $800 or a Retron 5 + Retro VGS cart adapter for $250 and play the same libraries.

Hahaha ... that's the funniest thing that I've heard in weeks!

geise · 09/03/2015, 09:07 AM

There is a difference between turn paddle/trackball games and an analogue nub like on a psx controller. These controllers seem to be analogue nubs for 3d games.

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/03/2015, 12:03 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 10:21 AM
Quote from: GreatBlueSwirlof99 on 09/02/2015, 10:13 AMI'm no longer hyped for this thing! It's gonna bomb bomb BOMB like at Hiroshima!!! No ones gonna buy this piece of shit even my Atari ST is more popular(is it?)! The launch titles are pathetic (a little like when SEGA Saturn launched and sonic wasn't a launch title >) hell! a port of Noah's ark, who the fuck would play that shitty game go play Doom or something WAY better! But let's give it the element of doubt....maybe it might be great! :\

Give it a Chance, if not well a nice new shell for your Jaguar!
There does exist medicine for your condition. I'm no doctor, but maybe some lithium and chlorpromazine?

My doctor recommend cyanide!

Good doctor, very right!

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/03/2015, 12:07 PM

Quote from: elmer on 09/02/2015, 11:54 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/02/2015, 10:38 PMIf this thing in whatever final form does actually end up releasing, I hope that someone comes out with a Retro VGS cart adaptor for the Retron 5 or similar fake consoles.

It'd be hilarious if you have the option of buying a Retro VGS + 6 cart adapters for $800 or a Retron 5 + Retro VGS cart adapter for $250 and play the same libraries.
Hahaha ... that's the funniest thing that I've heard in weeks!

Hahaha a, but why would you want to play the RVGS library? It's shite, go play Doom!

LostFlunky · 09/03/2015, 01:13 PM

Quote from: geise on 09/03/2015, 09:07 AMThere is a difference between turn paddle/trackball games and an analogue nub like on a psx controller. These controllers seem to be analogue nubs for 3d games.

Both the Atari 5200 and Vectrex had analogue sticks.

CrackTiger · 09/03/2015, 05:25 PM

Quote from: Lost Monkey on 09/03/2015, 01:13 PM
Quote from: geise on 09/03/2015, 09:07 AMThere is a difference between turn paddle/trackball games and an analogue nub like on a psx controller. These controllers seem to be analogue nubs for 3d games.
Both the Atari 5200 and Vectrex had analogue sticks.

The PCE and MD have games which support analog controls.

Of course modern analog nubs aren't going to re reate the same experience.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/03/2015, 05:42 PM

I support anal.

esteban · 09/03/2015, 06:17 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/03/2015, 05:42 PMI support anal.

Yes. Anal drainage.

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/04/2015, 01:35 AM

Will these guys have to pay royalties to magnavox? Like all the other brands had to?

Arkhan Asylum · 09/04/2015, 02:57 AM

Quote from: GreatBlueSwirlof99 on 09/04/2015, 01:35 AMWill these guys have to pay royalties to magnavox? Like all the other brands had to?

stop talking like this thing is going to make money.

SignOfZeta · 09/04/2015, 06:21 AM

Quote from: geise on 09/03/2015, 09:07 AMThere is a difference between turn paddle/trackball games and an analogue nub like on a psx controller. These controllers seem to be analogue nubs for 3d games.

So is a d-pad a different controller than a joystick to you? If it's a Dual Shock or an Afterburner machine, analog sticks, which track voltages across two axis, X and Y, have been around since the earliest days. In fact, analog was more common in the early days. Pong for example is a %100 analog game, it doesn't even have code. Most 8-bit computers had analog sticks (making playing Falcon a little more fun). There are tons of examples. Assuming MAME would make an aperence on the VGS (it won't, nothing will) then dual analogs would be invaluable.

GreatBlue Swirlof99 · 09/04/2015, 08:41 AM

Quote from: guest on 09/04/2015, 02:57 AM
Quote from: GreatBlueSwirlof99 on 09/04/2015, 01:35 AMWill these guys have to pay royalties to magnavox? Like all the other brands had to?
stop talking like this thing is going to make money.

I'm not but every brand that wanted to make a console had to magnavox a sum of money for the patent or something like that(I know this won't make money but do they still have to pay it?)?

geise · 09/04/2015, 01:54 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 09/04/2015, 06:21 AM
Quote from: geise on 09/03/2015, 09:07 AMThere is a difference between turn paddle/trackball games and an analogue nub like on a psx controller. These controllers seem to be analogue nubs for 3d games.
So is a d-pad a different controller than a joystick to you? If it's a Dual Shock or an Afterburner machine, analog sticks, which track voltages across two axis, X and Y, have been around since the earliest days. In fact, analog was more common in the early days. Pong for example is a %100 analog game, it doesn't even have code. Most 8-bit computers had analog sticks (making playing Falcon a little more fun). There are tons of examples. Assuming MAME would make an aperence on the VGS (it won't, nothing will) then dual analogs would be invaluable.

I understand analogue. I think you're missing my point. Try playing Time soldier with Dual Shock nubs and let me know how fun it is to play.

SignOfZeta · 09/04/2015, 03:06 PM

WTF, you're finding fault with this system because it doesn't come with a rotary joystick? AFAIK, nothing ever has.

Psycho Punch · 09/05/2015, 04:55 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/02/2015, 08:10 PMlol how are you playing Kaboom that you think it feels like anything similar to Arkanoid.

You move a paddle to catch objects falling vertically on screen vs. you move a paddle to hit an object moving with variable direction on screen to make it hit a layout of tile objects.

LostFlunky · 09/05/2015, 05:29 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 09/04/2015, 03:06 PMWTF, you're finding fault with this system because it doesn't come with a rotary joystick? AFAIK, nothing ever has.

I am pretty sure the Bally Astrocade had a small stick with rotational capabilities - but I haven't seen one in over 15 years.