burnout thread

[bartre]

so i know several former collectors who have been burned/burned out on the whole retro gaming thing, but I'd like to hear the forum's opinion here.
myself included.
i recently sold nearly all of my genny/snes/n64 stuff, along with some chunks of the rest of my library.
BUT

i don't miss it.
at all.

i feel like too much of my life has been defined my my affinity for retro games over the past 5 years or so.
honestly, it's kind of freeing.
i have no less appreciation for the old stuff, but i can always go back and play that on my pc.

plus, even aside from the material tie downs, I no longer have any motivation to deal with the collectard crowd.

am I alone here?

[Bloufo]

i don't miss it.
at all.

This is a good thing. A very good thing.

The word you're searching for is "liberated".

I've been there. It's a nice place.

[PukeSter]

I used to have a library, but I have been emulating the past few years.

Game prices will only continue to rise, and I will need to have good saving habits for college.

I can't justify paying hundreds for games I can get for free or much less on the Wii VC.

I still have an n64, but I don't play it much.

[esteban]

Well, it wasn't a choice, but a necessity, for me to be on a strict budget the past decade (growing family), so I have only purchased a handful of games over the past decade.

I am glad this happened, because it allowed me to spend more time playing all the games I already have (which is a lot). I have "lent" some things to friends/family over the years, but at this point I realize I have, in effect, given the items away.

I still need to trim away some more games that I know I will rarely play, since my time is limited (turn-based RPG's).

My free time over the past four years has been extremely limited (my twins are 4, coincidentally), and my 11 year old is gonna be going to college soon (time is flying by).

But, to bring this back on point, when I was unwilling to pick up Sylphia for $70 many years ago, I realized that $$$ was going to become a factor in my pursuits. Needless to say, I never imagined how ridiculous it would get with some games.

[DeshDildo]

Over the past year or so I have "cut the fat" but not considered selling everything I own.  I try to own just my personal favorite games for each console but it seems my tastes do change a bit over time and every month or so I go through my stuff and prune a few things out. 

I am completely burned out on regularly "hunting" for games.  Luckily I have built up many friendships along the way and always have good sources to buy and trade from.  I find it much more satisfying to pay or trade something to someone I know or like and I don't have to drive all over the world to do it.  Retail pricing has gotten to the point that I rarely walk into a "gamestore" because I take a look at some prices and just shake my head.

[o.pwuaioc]

I'm with Desh. I decided a few years ago to only collect what I want to play and nothing more. Even some consoles had to go (Xbox, DS, anything newer than the PS2 except GameCube library and a Wii). These days I'm really only after those high ticket items, which I use some money saved up for it every couple of months or so.

I still browse the forums for deals, but I actively look for anything.

[geise]

It's never been a retro thing for me.  It always has been "These are good games that I want to play." thing.  I never stopped playing them so I never had to "come back" and get that nostalgia bullshit collectors talk about.  I just want to get some games that I did let go of cause of either needing money or trading.  Finding good prices now is tiring, and I have really come to just play what I have and not buy much of anything new.

BTW I don't know why this is fighting street.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Tires are too expensive to waste on silly burnouts. 

I wouldn't say I'm burnt out on games at all; it's business as usual in robot hell!  I think it helps that my collection was steadily built over decades, I actually play my stuff (however slowly), and I'm not hell bent on any certain goals (like a complete set).  The latter is a killer for some peeps, where they work so hard to acquire _______ then are bummed out when they realize it's pretty much a meaningless accomplishment.

BTW I don't know why this is fighting street.

Because fuck you.

[johnnykonami]

I agree with pretty much everyone here on most points.  I collect but I open up and play everything eventually.  I didn't really burn out per say, but the flame got kinda low a couple times for various reasons.  I have always had either a TG-16 or a Duo (since '89) and some games, I never let them go, but there were periods of my life where I was either busy with something else or focused on a different console (I have always kept up with the new generations) for a while.  There are hundreds of TG/PCE games if you include imports, so I've always had a lot of games I didn't get to play yet just in the obey library alone.  So I'm taking another stab at getting some of the ones I wanted most (slowly), and also reacquiring the ones I stupidly sold and traded years ago (I know now that was a poor trade, but I traded those games to be able to afford another PCE Super CD game at the time, so there's that at least.)  I've also had a couple games stolen from me that were near and dear to my heart I would like to replace.  Since then (I was 13 or 14) my policy has been not to sell games, particularly obey.  My "collection," which is probably better described as a small, concise library, has always just been games I was really interested in, genres I was really interested in, games I think are gems, and games that are special to me in some other way.  I don't have aspirations to completely obtain any game libraries either, I just want my personal cream of the crop.  Right now I think most of what I own fits on two bookshelf shelves, not including my consoles which are put away.  There's maybe 200 games split between all of my consoles.  I think I would be upset to lose them, I'm sure, but I can understand the freedom you feel in getting away from the whole thing.  And with the surge of interest and rising value of old games, any of us could be robbed any day.  That's a reality I have to face, and because of it I don't wanna invest too heavily in getting any one particular game.  Even still, I have many good games now that would be prohibitively expensive to replace if something did happen to them.

Anyway, my convoluted monologue above is just to say "just roll with it."  Can't take it too seriously, but I do love it even if there is less time for it these days.  I'm glad to have a good community here I can talk to and trade with for it. #huggingstreet

[SignOfZeta]

so i know several former collectors who have been burned/burned out on the whole retro gaming thing, but I'd like to hear the forum's opinion here.
myself included.
i recently sold nearly all of my genny/snes/n64 stuff, along with some chunks of the rest of my library.
BUT

i don't miss it.
at all.

i feel like too much of my life has been defined my my affinity for retro games over the past 5 years or so.
honestly, it's kind of freeing.
i have no less appreciation for the old stuff, but i can always go back and play that on my pc.

plus, even aside from the material tie downs, I no longer have any motivation to deal with the collectard crowd.

am I alone here?

Isn't this what a bunch of assholes like me have been telling you for some time?

[Dicer]

I only collect what I want to play. I have no desire for a 100% complete collection or collecting a garbage game because it's the cool thing to do, makes the whole process a lot more satisfying...

I just started collecting some FEKA as I skipped a bunch when I wan younger, some good stuff in there, despite the lack of color and tin can sound the damn Genny produces.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

It is kind of important for me personally to have a GIANT game library with way too many consoles in my house just for the purpose of running a couple minor game gathering/cons throughout the year and for supplying consoles for events like MGC.  So, I keep all this just to share with others anyway. 



I've often thought about this too.  I sold off nearly everything I had back in 2008.  I felt GREAT about not having to lug all my boxes around when I wanted to play something and just stuck to emulation for about 2 years.  However slowly but surely things just kept falling back into my lap over the years.  "Busted TG-16" from MGC w/ extras - Sega CD set complete at a garage sale - Neo Geo CD from a buddy that got lost in the mail...   etc etc Now I've amassed a game library that dwarfs my original "collection" from back in the day.  I just keep an eye on craigslist and thrifty stores so no major investments from me.  Sometimes I think about just giving it back to the community and I'm not even sure I would be sad if I really needed to do a fire sale of everything.  Probably some decent cash in all this stuff. 

Sort of like catch and release?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Sort of like catch and release?

As a master baiter, I wholehartedly approve of this analogy. 

[Arkhan Asylum]

I generally only have

1) Stuff I got as a kid when it was new, because I rarely get rid of stuff
2) Things I bought that I missed out on (imports), but ones I will ACTUALLY PLAY
3) a limited selection of oddities that I may have paid sort of stupidly for, but they are generally important to me.

like, Little Samson for NES?  Who gives a fuck.  I'm not paying for that retarded crap.

Boxed Toshiba MSX like the one from the commercial?  Yep.

but, I actually use the thing and PLAY IT.


If I don't play it, it goes away.

Exceptions to the rule are things defined in point #1 basically.

I haven't played my childhood copy of kid icarus in like 6 years, but I am not going to hock it. 

Spare consoles?  Go.   This now also includes my spare PCE stuff.


I was using the multiples to setup 3 machines at CCAG/etc.

but now, I do not bother.  I bring one thing.  So, all the spare things went away.


The end result is more shelf space for JPop sluts. 

[Gentlegamer]

Fortunately, I'm a very "slow roll collector," I don't see myself as acquiring a collection, but take the opportunity to obtain games I want to play when I see the right price.

[LostFlunky]

Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat.  I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it.  I only want to keep what will get used, and no more... 

I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game.  WTF???  I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon.  I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.

I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...

[Dicer]

Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat.  I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it.  I only want to keep what will get used, and no more... 

I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game.  WTF???  I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon.  I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.

I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...

Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...

[turboswimbz]

I collect. I like having the stuff around, BUt I was never 100% roar collect the rarz. have a really cool big librararbarbbry or anything.  I just started grabing games I wanted to play, stuff I couldn't get as a kid or didn't.  I've got a bunch of consoles and a small amount of games and mostly everdrives drives.  Maybe I'll part with my stuff one day, but for now it's all fun, and if it stops being fun, away it goes.

I don't see myself not having a game room as time goes on, I just like the stuff to much, and I rarely throw away get rid of things.  BUt I don't worry myself over never getting magical chase, I'll be the first to admit, if I had one I'd sell it on ebay, no questions asked.  I think the key is to keeping it fun.  WHenever the collectards get to me, I just sit down and play games, any games, all games.  and let them miss the point while I enjoy what I can.

[o.pwuaioc]

Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat.  I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it.  I only want to keep what will get used, and no more... 

I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game.  WTF???  I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon.  I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.

I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...

Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

[Psycho Punch]

I don't try to eat something bigger than my mouth. Since I'm basically starting from zero I have few games but I don't really mind, since I barely have time for them, I don't want/need extra games collecting dust. Buy, enjoy, obey, repeat, with the occasional review.

[wildfruit]

I got rid of maybe 50% of the various games I had since I was a kid after my wife lost her job and the stuff I had seemed to be worth money to some people.
I put a broken US snesss on ebay only expecting  a few pounds and it went for over £100. Crazy. Now she has a job again there are a few things I would like to have again. I miss my resident evils but prices are crazy on those too.
Such is life.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

That's an argument I'll never understand.  Who cares if it's an exclusive?  Either a game is fun or it isn't.

[Gredler]

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

That's an argument I'll never understand.  Who cares if it's an exclusive?  Either a game is fun or it isn't.

I think this is so often brought up when attacking a system because it calls out the value of a system's library after it's been stripped of games that can be played without purchasing this system. In his argument he's saying that those games are playable in other places, so he does not think that they add to the value of owning the system.

I also enjoy owning as many ports of a game as possible, to see how the developers tackled the various hurdles and prowess's of the target platforms.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat.  I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it.  I only want to keep what will get used, and no more... 

I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game.  WTF???  I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon.  I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.

I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...

Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

Flip Out! on the Atari Jaguar.
Flip. Fucking. Out!

It'll change your life forever.

[Dicer]

Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat.  I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it.  I only want to keep what will get used, and no more... 

I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game.  WTF???  I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon.  I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.

I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...

Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

T2k jag is the best of the bunch as is Rayman arguably... Power drive rally is fantastic, Defender 2000 is awesome. Ultra Vortek was a fun exclusive of its day and age, and I enjoy some missle command 3D

The system has some goodies, just accept it

[Opethian]

libera me

[BlueBMW]

I have totally experienced this.  When I really sat down and looked and my video gaming habits I realized a few things.

1. I play the same games over and over again.  I will tend to replay a game I love rather than pick up a brand new one and play.  I have played through games like Skies of Arcadia, Xcom (PC) and others mutliple times each.  Once in a while I'll try a new game and be pleasantly surprised (Lunar 2 and Mario 3D world come to mind) But all in all I play the same stuff.

2. I only really hold affinity for a handful of games.  Everything else is just stuff.

What I concluded is that for me to be a happy gamer I really dont need an enormous library but rather one that consists of just the stuff I really like and play.  So that's been my metric for the library.  Games I play or games that have nostalgic / historical significance to me stay.  Everything else really needs to go.

It is liberating as some have said.

I will also say that the whole environment of the retro game scene has changed a lot in the last few years.  As prices have skyrocketed and this new breed of pokemon style collectors have shown up the whole scene is just ridiculous now.  Add in crazy priced repros and things like the Retro VGS and I have to same I dont want to be a part of that scene anymore.  I know I'm not alone in this.  I have to say the collectards have won.  They wanted it all so fuck it, let them have it all.  I'm tired of fighting against them.  I'll enjoy what I've got and choose to be happy with it.

[Gentlegamer]

Good points, Beamer.

[LostFlunky]

Seems like almost everyone posting in this thread is in the same boat.  I realized that what I was doing was collectarded several years ago and put a stop to it.  I only want to keep what will get used, and no more... 

I was buying up everything I came across, when I one day realized I had almost every Jaguar game.  WTF???  I now have T2K, Cannon Fodder and Raiden to keep and everything else is either already gone or going soon.  I did make one error though - I need to get Defender 2000 back, I miss playing it every 2 months or so.

I buy so few games now, but I am only buying keepers...

Jag, my man, the handful of greats on there make me miss my system so much, be careful which AC adapter you are grabbing kids...

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

T2k jag is the best of the bunch as is Rayman arguably... Power drive rally is fantastic, Defender 2000 is awesome. Ultra Vortek was a fun exclusive of its day and age, and I enjoy some missle command 3D

The system has some goodies, just accept it

Definitely agree about T2K on the Jag - it is the best.  It was tweaked and fine tuned by Jeff Minter - the ports were not and it shows.  They do not have the same feel, even if they run smoother.

[SignOfZeta]

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

That's an argument I'll never understand.  Who cares if it's an exclusive?  Either a game is fun or it isn't.

I see what you are saying, but if all best Jag games are slightly worse versions of games other systems have, other systems like PlayStation and Saturn that also have about a hundred games each that are better than anything on Jag, then it does seem pretty fucking pointless to even have a Jag around...unless you just love that terrific controller or something.


And yeah yeah, AVP, AVP,  whatever.

[Psycho Punch]

PS/Saturn users: list with literal hundreds of good games
Jaguar users:  but, but... tempest... alien vs predator...

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Because saying 'I enjoy a handful of Jag games' is synonymous with 'Jagwire is teh bestest system evah and totally pwns the PS and Saturn!  Do the math, bitches!!!'?  You guys crack me up.

[LostFlunky]

Because saying 'I enjoy a handful of Jag games' is synonymous with 'Jagwire is teh bestest system evah and totally pwns the PS and Saturn!  Do the math, bitches!!!'?  You guys crack me up.

It has long been established that the Jaguar is toxic to rational thought.  Look at Mike Kennedy.

[SignOfZeta]

Ha!

[Gentlegamer]

SoCalMike was toxic long before Jaguar.

[o.pwuaioc]

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

That's an argument I'll never understand.  Who cares if it's an exclusive?  Either a game is fun or it isn't.

I see what you are saying, but if all best Jag games are slightly worse versions of games other systems have, other systems like PlayStation and Saturn that also have about a hundred games each that are better than anything on Jag, then it does seem pretty fucking pointless to even have a Jag around...unless you just love that terrific controller or something.


And yeah yeah, AVP, AVP,  whatever.

This is exactly my point. AVP is way overrated. And the games I listed might be good, but it's not worth getting when I would just be playing a slightly shittier version of games I already own elsewhere. Why bother? Playing yet another slog of Rayman when it doesn't offer anything unique to the experience. I could be hunting for another PCE game I hadn't heard of and never played.

AVP is not a great game.

[LostFlunky]

What greats did it have that was exclusive to it? Even Tempest 2k is on PC and Saturn. Raiden, Rayman, Doom, NBA Jam TE, Zoop, Worms, WolfenStein 3D — all better elsewhere.

That's an argument I'll never understand.  Who cares if it's an exclusive?  Either a game is fun or it isn't.

I see what you are saying, but if all best Jag games are slightly worse versions of games other systems have, other systems like PlayStation and Saturn that also have about a hundred games each that are better than anything on Jag, then it does seem pretty fucking pointless to even have a Jag around...unless you just love that terrific controller or something.


And yeah yeah, AVP, AVP,  whatever.

This is exactly my point. AVP is way overrated. And the games I listed might be good, but it's not worth getting when I would just be playing a slightly shittier version of games I already own elsewhere. Why bother? Playing yet another slog of Rayman when it doesn't offer anything unique to the experience. I could be hunting for another PCE game I hadn't heard of and never played.

AVP is not a great game.

If you put games like AVP on a time-line and see when it was released compared to similar games that are "better", you would see that it was released pretty early on.  In that sense, I would agree that it was pretty freaking cool for the time...

I will also admit that I really liked the atmosphere in AVP much better than the Saturn and PSX Alien Trilogy game - but didn't find either to be much fun.

[Dicer]

Jag also had ATTACK OF THE MUTANT MUTHER FUGGIN PENGUINS...

So suck it!

[Gredler]

AVP blew my mind back in the day... and I have NEVER cared for FPS games. AVP didn't age all that well, but it was an awesome experience for the time period like senor Monkey de Losto points out.

Next to Silent Debuggers, nothing tops the suspense and "oh shit" factor of hearing a cloaked predator clicking or whispering.

I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day. Anyone who doesn't agree is a french whore with lengthy armpit hair.

Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.

[sn0zc0r3]

AVP blew my mind back in the day... and I have NEVER cared for FPS games. AVP didn't age all that well, but it was an awesome experience for the time period like senor Monkey de Losto points out.

Next to Silent Debuggers, nothing tops the suspense and "oh shit" factor of hearing a cloaked predator clicking or whispering.

I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day. Anyone who doesn't agree is a french whore with lengthy armpit hair.

Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.

Agreed with everyone. I grab games I've either always wanted to play or games that hold special meaning to me these days. I got carried away years ago, but I've slowly (slowly) started selling off or trading stuff to people and dramatically shrinking down my collection. Fuck it's been hard parting with some of this shit though.

AVP has been the only game I've kept from my Jag collection though, just because I always wanted it as a kid. Nothing else really grabbed me that I couldn't have elsewhere. I'd take Sin & Punishment on N64 over anything else I've played on the Jags though.

[Dicer]

AVP blew my mind back in the day... and I have NEVER cared for FPS games. AVP didn't age all that well, but it was an awesome experience for the time period like senor Monkey de Losto points out.

Next to Silent Debuggers, nothing tops the suspense and "oh shit" factor of hearing a cloaked predator clicking or whispering.

I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day. Anyone who doesn't agree is a french whore with lengthy armpit hair.

Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.

I'd pick jag too, give me crystal clear flat shaded polys over muddy Vaseline fog shit any day of the week...

Jag was good kit that never to put to really good use, and it's a damned shame.

[EmperorIng]

Topics like these remind me that an Everdrive (both Mega and Turbo) might be very wise investments.

I would pick a Jagwire over a Nintendon't 64 any day.

Picking between the jag and the n64 sounds like the worst possible "Would you rather" game ever. Please don't make me play either.

k jag too, give me crystal clear flat shaded polys over muddy Vaseline fog shit any day of the week...

I know this is a spam forum but that doesn't mean everyone has to be so wrong all the time.  It's hard enough to read posts praising Pack In Video games and Dynastic Hero > Wonder Boy V: MW3 in the "normal" topics.

[o.pwuaioc]

If you played Doom or Wolfenstein 3D before AvP (since they were released first), then AvP would not have seemed so great. Yeah, it was early, but it was still only mediocre.

If I had to choose between N64 or Jaguar and nothing else, it would be a toughie. But given that the Jaguar is redundant, give me the N64 any day.

[johnnykonami]

I am not a fan of the N64, at all.  Never owned one, and I think it's the worst console Nintendo ever made, just IMO of course.  I loved the Gamecube, which I think was next in line, right?  I did play the Jag, and think Tempest 2000 is reason enough to own one.  However, in the desert island scenario, I'd probably have to pick the N64 over the Jag just for the library size alone.  That's the only reason, really.  I just think you could have more variety with the entire N64 Library at your disposal than with the Jag's library, despite a couple great games.

[Gentlegamer]

If Master System can go from market loser to later under appreciated gem, surely the N64 can, too.

They are both systems that I have come to appreciate, particularly after informed testimony from their respective fans.

Surely Turbografx-16 fans can understand that.

[PukeSter]

I'm not a big nes fan, but I definitely do not care for the master system.

Black Tiger once said the master system has a magical quality that the nes doesn't have. Personally, I think it's just nostalgia.

There's a few master system games I like but nothing I really think is outstanding.

Even wonder boy III is better on the Turbo.

[Gredler]

I'm not a big nes fan, but I definitely do not care for the master system.

Black Tiger once said the master system has a magical quality that the nes doesn't have. Personally, I think it's just nostalgia.

There's a few master system games I like but nothing I really think is outstanding.

Even wonder boy III is better on the Turbo.

To be fair, SMS has significantly better color and sound, and a lot of classics that were simply not possible on NES. Play fantasy star and compare it to Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy. And there is no Cyborg Hunter on NES, so I would defend BT's "magical quality" argument all day


Edit: Also, N64 is garbage, garbage that is almost as hot as the Jaguar, almost.

[Gentlegamer]

Master System definitely does not have better sound than NES.

That's even if you count the FM module, it turns the sound effects into robot farts.

[Dicer]

If you played Doom or Wolfenstein 3D before AvP (since they were released first), then AvP would not have seemed so great. Yeah, it was early, but it was still only mediocre.

If I had to choose between N64 or Jaguar and nothing else, it would be a toughie. But given that the Jaguar is redundant, give me the N64 any day.

Except it's not redundant...

[Gredler]

Debatable, for sure, I would hardly call it definite.

Master System definitely does not have better sound than NES.

That's even if you count the FM module, it turns the sound effects into robot far

Master System definitely does not have better sound than NES.

That's even if you count the FM module, it turns the sound effects into robot farts.