Your Daily Dose of Gaming.

[Seldane]

Does anyone else find they have days of random "sloppy" playing, no matter what the game, system or genre? It seems to happen to me from time to time and I just end up turning the TV off.

Urgh! I have sooo many of those days. I think today might be one, even though I just went out of bed.

[Joe Redifer]

I just got Samurai Shodown 2 for my Neo Geo today.  Now I remember why I hate this series of games... they're FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!  I can't get past the second match no matter what.  There doesn't seem to be any blocking, and everything I do is countered.  This game would be great if it gave me a chance and wasn't so fucking difficult.  SNK is teh suk.

[Kitsunexus]

Wow, I would never get a console for those "games", not even if it was free. They're all available for real consoles, except nobody buys those games as all real consoles actually feature good games, which people get instead.

I'm like td, I am curious about all gaming platforms, even the lame kiddie stuff (i.e. LeapFrog). Recently, I pretended that I was interested in a friend's son's LeapFrog handheld solely in the name of "research": my daughter wants one and I wanted to see what it was like. Of course, I was just as intriqued as my daughter was. I can't wait until my friend gets another game for his son!

This is also why I am one of only a handful of people in North America who own a Xavix! Except I love the Xavix

Wasn't Xavix like designed by someone from a famous game company?


Oh and the Leapfrog is cool for one reason: It only uses Macromedia Flash and can be hacked into a portable Flash player.

[MrFulci]

Joe,

Seems your skills need work. Away from opponent is block, and you have to block either high or low.

If you have an MVS, knock down the difficulty from 4 to 3. Takes a bit of the edge off.

I have my difficulties at times with that series. Especially with low to the ground/crouching opponents.

As with most other games, there is a learning curve, patterns to remember, etc.

Have fun!

[Joe Redifer]

How do I block low or high?  It seems that every time I attack an opponent I get attacked in return (instead of causing damage).  Still haven't been past the 2nd match.  SNK fighters = cheap.  Might be great in 2 player mode, but SNK hates single players.  No wonder they went out of business... their games just weren't good enough (they'd still be in business if they were). Also the AES version lets you adjust difficulty, but won't people laugh at me if I lower the difficulty?  I thought doing that was taboo and asian people would come and beat me up.

Also, almost all of the music sounds the same.

[nat]

Also the AES version lets you adjust difficulty, but won't people laugh at me if I lower the difficulty?  I thought doing that was taboo and asian people would come and beat me up.

You're right. You must never lower the difficulty.

[Joe Redifer]

I can't believe this game was recommended to me.  I will never listen to SNK Nostalgia again!  He obviously has shitty taste in games.  Instead I will buy the games he hates, like Marmelade Fighters.  That's destined to be good.

[Keranu]

I just got Samurai Shodown 2 for my Neo Geo today.  Now I remember why I hate this series of games... they're FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE!  I can't get past the second match no matter what.  There doesn't seem to be any blocking, and everything I do is countered.  This game would be great if it gave me a chance and wasn't so fucking difficult.  SNK is teh suk.

I never really got into the SS series. I always thought most people were more into that series for it's art rather than gameplay as I haven't found the gameplay to feel smooth or much fun. I think the games look really pretty too, but thankfully there is Last Blade which combines beautiful aesthetics with awesome gameplay .

SNK fighters = cheap.  Might be great in 2 player mode, but SNK hates single players.  No wonder they went out of business... their games just weren't good enough (they'd still be in business if they were).

I typically don't play fighters for the single player mode, but in my opinion, KoF'94 - 97 have some of the best single player modes because of the story. Garou is also pretty good for single player.

[TR0N]

How do I block low or high?  It seems that every time I attack an opponent I get attacked in return (instead of causing damage).  Still haven't been past the 2nd match.  SNK fighters = cheap.  Might be great in 2 player mode, but SNK hates single players.  No wonder they went out of business... their games just weren't good enough (they'd still be in business if they were). Also the AES version lets you adjust difficulty, but won't people laugh at me if I lower the difficulty?  I thought doing that was taboo and asian people would come and beat me up.

Also, almost all of the music sounds the same.

Me thinks you need partice on it more.

Heck it's all a matter of timing on, SS2 this isn't a fighter where you rush into it blindly.

Once you get down to reading.. the opponents moves to counter it isn't that hard at all.

I can get all the way to end on SS2, but what realy makes it a cheap fighter.. is fighting Mizuki at the end 

Still i like how the SS series plays not just the art style itself either.

[PCEngineHell]

Come on Joe,I mean,I can beat Samurai Showdown 2 on 1-3 credits depending on who I use,and on Level 4 setting. Maybe you really do need my Metal Slug stick after all....

[Turbo D]

I have trouble with that game too, damn snk and their hard games 

[OldRover]

SS2 isn't terribly hard once you get used to the controls and strategies, but it'll wipe the walls with your ass until you do. While you're learning the game, knock that difficulty level all the way down to 1. Even on 1, it's still a challenge, the AI is a bit too rigid. But don't worry, SS3 is even worse, as is SS5. SS2 is the second easiest game in the SS series, only SS4 is easier. If you really want to kick ass in SS2, use Haohmaru, Genjuro, or Gen-an. If you want to be a cheapass mofo, go for Cham Cham or Charlotte. The ninjas are pretty crap in this version though (Galford and Hanzo). A good newbie strategy is to rely more on light and mid hits than trying the heavy hits. Also, jump attacks are often pretty useful as long as you get the move off quick enough. Air attacks are especially useful against Earthquake as long as you hit deep-in, otherwise he really likes to quick-counter faster than you can say "My blood boils for battle".

And yes...most of the music sucks ass.

[Keranu]

I like Nakoruru myself .

[TR0N]

I like Nakoruru myself .

I like cham cham in it even if she is cheap to use in it.

Still the last time i played, SS2 i used genjuro in it he's slick when ya know how 'to use him 

[Mobius]

When I bought a Neo-Geo CDZ, the seller included Samurai Shodown 3 with it.  Good god, that game is hard.  King of Fighters '94 was tough, too, but at least I was able to make some progress eventually (even if it was on the easiest setting). SS3, I just never quite "got."  Even when I sat down and forced myself to learn all the moves for at least one character, I was still getting my butt kicked.  I don't think I ever won more than a couple matches.

I still have no idea what I was doing wrong.  Needless to say, it doesn't get much playtime.  Sure is pretty, though...

[Ninja Spirit]

Hey Joe, if you thought the AI on SS2 was something, then you won't be able to handle Mizuki. She got this attack she throws a glowing ball that's tough to dodge and I believe you can't block it either. You're bouncing around like a pinball, every time you hit the wall is quite a bit of damage.  Not only it shatters your weapon, but it also reverses the controls.

[Joe Redifer]

Thanks for the info guys.  You'd think that as an arcade game it would be more approachable to those who have never played it before (as arcade games are supposed to be, but SNK doesn't count as "real arcade").  Also I was able to play as Mizuki and I could easily throw the glowing ball, and just about every opponent could easily block it by just standing there.  No need to dodge.  Just block.  I did not like Mizuki because sometimes I lose control of her when she decides to strike a pose.  But if she is seriously that cheap when you play against her, then my statement is correct when I say the game has bad design.

PS - I have no idea which character I am picking because it doesn't list their names on the character select screen.  So when you say "Use Genguro" or the like, I say "WTF?"

[GUTS]

Try part 4 instead, it's WAY better than 2.  The thing about Samurai showdown is never bother with the two less powerful attacks, always use the strongest attack which is done by hitting B&C (or A&B, it's been years) together.  That always takes like 1/3 of the other guy's life off if you connect.  Also, don't get fancy with special moves and shit if you don't have to, if you get an opening just hit them with a strong attack instead of a special move since that B&C move takes off more health than any special attack in the game.

[Joe Redifer]

But the SNK community insists that SS2 is one of the best fighting games on the system.  That and it's cheap were the reasons I chose it.  I guess SNK fans just like crap.  It would explain a lot.  The game just isn't fun to play.  I plugged in some SvC Chaos and was relieved to play a game that was actually playable!  YES, a playable fighter on the Neo Geo.  Who woulda thought?  Still has the chunky gradients that most Neo Geo games do, though.  The Neo Geo cannot do smooth gradients.  Not enough colors.

[Seldane]

Played today

DS
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attourney - I'm on the final case now, it's getting kinda old by now. Still, an aaaawesome game!

GG
*Phantasy Star Adventure - This game seems very interesting, but is flawed in a couple of ways. I will try to complete it though. I like it.
*Sylvan Tale - Seems really promising. I haven't played it much but I like everything so far.
*Madoh monogatari 1- Ugh.

PC
*Flatout 2 - Still tons of fun.
*Ys The Oath in Felghana - I wish I could enjoy this, but it is impossible. Ugh again.

Mostly this has been one of those days when everything you attempt to play sucks, which is exceptionally bad timing, as this is one boring day. Bad weather, nothing to do, everybody's gone...bla bla. I hate sundays.

[Keranu]

But the SNK community insists that SS2 is one of the best fighting games on the system.

I would never, ever insist SS2, or any SS for that matter, as one of the best fighting games on the system . Move on to the better fighting games already, Joe! ;) Though then again the AES versions are too damn expensive.

[Joe Redifer]

I did move on to a better fighting game... I wrote that I was playing SvC Chaos.

[Keranu]

SvC ain't nothin  .

[Joe Redifer]

Compared to Samurai Shodown, it's fuckin' godly!

[Turbo D]

svc chaos is bad ass!

[MrFulci]

SS2 is very much a challenge. I enjoy the game.

When I read this thread, something comes to mind (the board member golgo13 helped ressurect this recently)

- Mortal Kombat, on Sega Genesis, is the best video game ever.
- I disagree, it's a very good game, but i think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
- Donkey Kong sucks.
- You know something? YOU SUCK!

[Keranu]

Compared to Samurai Shodown, it's fuckin' godly!

Then KoF'98 is Christian Slater.

[Joe Redifer]

Maybe so, maybe so.  I wouldn't know.  Buy me the AES version for my birthday.

[Keranu]

Damn it, Joe, ditch that AES already! You're gonna go flat broke if you keep buying games for it !

[Joe Redifer]

I only ever intended to have about 15 games for it.  The AES was cheap as hell, cheaper than an MVS.  And I've never seen an MVS with a standard 8-pin DIN RGB output.  Plus it takes up a lot less space than an MVS from what I've seen, and looks prettier.  Prettier is what matters.  My friends would beat me up if they saw something ugly at my house like an MVS or a Jaguar.  Now be quiet and buy me KoF 98 AES for my birthday.  It's July 23rd.

[Keranu]

My MVS only costed like $70 and the cool thing is you can design your own case for it however you want! I don't have a case for mine yet, but my MVS is pretty small, smaller than an AES for sure. It can be more space consuming, yeah, but that's video games for 'ya and it sure as hell beats the price for AES games. I'll buy you KoF'95 for Gameboy on your birthday .

[PCEngineHell]

But the SNK community insists that SS2 is one of the best fighting games on the system.  That and it's cheap were the reasons I chose it.  I guess SNK fans just like crap.  It would explain a lot.  The game just isn't fun to play.  I plugged in some SvC Chaos and was relieved to play a game that was actually playable!  YES, a playable fighter on the Neo Geo.  Who woulda thought?  Still has the chunky gradients that most Neo Geo games do, though.  The Neo Geo cannot do smooth gradients.  Not enough colors.

I'm sorry Joe,maybe its just that you suck horribly at fighting games,or most that are not made by Capcom. You bitch all the time about how hard fighters are,esp the SNK ones,and rant how much SNK sucks this and that,but all this makes you look like a fuckin poser with your AES and the few carts you have. Like you own one just to say you do. SNK is notorious for making hard games,that is just how it is,and how it always has been. You sound worse then the Angry Nintendo Nerd. I agree,alot of SNK fighters are hard,but I mean,they are for people who like a challenge.

And for all your ungodly complaining,it sounds like you really should avoid the Neo system all together,and most fighting games in general unless they have Capcom on them and were made pre-CPS3. You want easy? Go play Fatty Bear on 3DO or some other basic game like Mortal Kombat 1 on your Genesis or simply just stick to your old Capcom ports.

Also,alot of people who complain about fighting games being too hard,typically they are people who don't generally play them anyway. Does not mean the games suck,just means the person trying to play them sucks at them horribly. This may just not be the type of game you should be playing Joe. Maybe you are meant to stick with puzzle,action,and golf games and the RPGS you usually play.

[PCEngineHell]

I also agree with the Neo forums members who feel Samurai Showdown 2 is one of the best fighters ever made. It pretty much is. There is stuff in it that was not done well anywhere else. The graphics were solid,audio great,control was spot on,and it was a challenge as you learned to play it and there was tons to learn.

[Keranu]

Well the thing is is that arcade fighting games are mostly designed for two players versuing each other in mind, so most of the focus is spent on designing the gameplay for two players rather than focusing on a single player mode. Have fun going to an arcade trying to beat some fighting game when people keep joining in to fight you instead because that's just the way the ball rolls.

[Joe Redifer]

Sounds like I made the NeoGeo fanboy weep.  Good, that's what I was going for.  Anyway I'm pretty damn good at most fighting games as I said before.  It's just that SNK doesn't seem to make them very well (although I certainly haven't played them all).  The controls are shit.  Maybe it is because I am playing with an SNK-made CDZ pad (or whatever it is).  Maybe I should try it with the gigantic NeoGeo joystick.  But still, the single player game is not very forgiving with the controls.  Like I also said, the game would probably be great with two players, but I don't have other game players that live with me, so I must play single player most of the time.  And the reason I trash the Neo Geo so much is because people like you, Michael, hype it up as being greater than the second coming of Christ and when it doesn't live up to your lofty praises, I am left quite disappointed.  To you, the NeoGeo can do no wrong, and when I see fanboys like you I become sickened.  I do it for ANY system where somebody praises the hell out of it.  Look around and I think you'll always find that I'm almost always the devil's advocate.  I like games that are actually enjoyable to play, and I enjoy playing my NeoGeo, I even enjoy SvC Chaos a great deal (except Geonutz).  I like KoF because I have 95-97 on my Saturn, but I don't like how they have to load each character so I rarely play them.  Fatal Fury 2 is actually really good in 2 player despite not having a VS mode of any kind.  I assume the same goes for Samurai Shodown.  But is it too much to ask for a game to be fun during single player?  I'm not the kind of guy who goes around congratulating myself because I beat a hard game.  The first thing you did when you saw me complain about the difficulty is tell me how you can beat it with only a few credits on level 4.  Good for you, twinkletoes.  Can I get your autograph?  I hope my lack of tr00 skill makes you feel better about yourself.  I imagine tr00 NeoGeo owners go around and say things like "It's a NeoGeo thing, you wouldn't understand".  It's a clique.  They want to think of themselves as "different" and perhaps "better".

Also I don't play puzzle games (I truly suck ass at them), and I have no clue what RPGS even is.  Do you mean RPG?  I rarely play them.  And Mortal Kombat 1 (and 2 and 3 and 4 and whatever) all suck ass.  Capcom fighters are generally pretty good, except for JoJo, I didn't like that one at all.  And I don't like the Marvel games too much (though X-Men vs Street Fighter is one of my favs).

Keranu, only homeless people can't afford the AES.  MVS is the poor-man's NeoGeo.  I don't want to build my own case.  I hate woodworking.  Plus your joystick is bigger than my entire table.

[PCEngineHell]

Actually Joe,I also said most fighters in general are not for you unless made by Capcom it sounded like,

I'm sorry Joe,maybe its just that you suck horribly at fighting games,or most that are not made by Capcom. You bitch all the time about how hard fighters are,esp the SNK ones,

. And no weeping is done here by me,you the only one who keeps crying and bitching about how hard,unplayable the stuff is. Im the one enjoying it all. I did not realize you are using a NeoCD pad. Those really do suck ass. If I had one of those I prob would be crying too. You should prob have a custom 4 button stick made for your AES,or pick up one of the normal ones. They really are not that big at all. I don't think the Neo is sooo special that no one can understand or like it. i don't spend 24/7 on the Neo forums. Its just a really good game system that happens to handle most of what I liked to play really well. It should be no surprise to you by now that most of what I play is arcade games in general and fighters.

As far as MVS being the poor mans Neo,the hardware after buying a SG or consolizing it cost more then a AES,the when using a encoder the video quality is way better then the video out on a AES unless you mod it. You get a way way better selection of games to choose from at easier to afford prices,the carts are built better,with actual screws holding them together instead of a few plastic tabs and alot of false hope. Plus if you can get full kits you get alot of nice artwork,stickers,ect.

I would also hype the 3DO and Saturn up more around here,but I tend to feel like I should only discuss 8-16 bit stuff around here. To me the 3DO and Saturn are both on par with the Neo,Pc-Engine and X68000.

[MrFulci]

uggg, I didn't read all the posts, however, I feel the need to drive this into the ground one last time..


- Capcom makes the best video game fighters ever.
- I disagree, it's a very good company, but I think SNK makes the best fighters ever.
- SNK sucks.
- You know something? YOU SUCK!


hahaha, so many ways that can be altered for this, and other arguments!

I need to watch that movie again, sometime soon....

[PCEngineHell]

I dont think Capcom makes fighting games anymore do they?

[Keranu]

Keranu, only homeless people can't afford the AES.  MVS is the poor-man's NeoGeo.  I don't want to build my own case.  I hate woodworking.  Plus your joystick is bigger than my entire table.

The bigger the better, baby . I'd hate to use a joystick where I have to sit ass close to someone.

[Ninja Spirit]

I hear ya Keranu, especially when you're playing someone 10 times your size.

My playing is terrible when my position is offset with the control panel.

[Joe Redifer]

That's why you get separate his and her joysticks.  There's no rule that says that they have to be one unit.  I agree that personal space is necessary.

Michael, I'll try SS2 with the Neo joystick.  However I am not a huge fan of joysticks.  Is there an adapter that would let me use my Saturn pad on the NG?  Also Keranu indicated his MVS cost less than an AES.  I don't  know which one of you to argue with.  This is a trap, isn't it?!

Capcom is making a high definition version of Street Fighter 2 Turbo (or thereabouts).  The HD drawn sprites look amazing.  I hope it animates and plays as well as it looks.

[Keranu]

That's why you get separate his and her joysticks.  There's no rule that says that they have to be one unit.  I agree that personal space is necessary.

I thought about making seperate sticks, but I decided with one bigass one because it looks cooler and has more of the arcade feel .

Michael, I'll try SS2 with the Neo joystick.  However I am not a huge fan of joysticks.  Is there an adapter that would let me use my Saturn pad on the NG?

Actually I believe there is, or at least someone who sells modded Saturn pads to work on them. I was going to bring this up, but wasn't sure of the whereabouts of these.

Also Keranu indicated his MVS cost less than an AES.  I don't  know which one of you to argue with.  This is a trap, isn't it?!

Without the supergun stuff, yeah my MVS was less than the usual AES price. However there are many different types of MVS hardware out there with some costing more than others and sometimes you can just get a good deal like me. I think in the end the hardware price isn't much of a difference, so it's the software pricing that really makes the big deal.

Capcom is making a high definition version of Street Fighter 2 Turbo (or thereabouts).  The HD drawn sprites look amazing.  I hope it animates and plays as well as it looks.

Oh boy, Capcom milking out SF2 AGAIN. I guess this isn't as bad as other versions though.

[PCEngineHell]

I know there is a Playstation to Neo adapter. Yea,if you already have a Supergun,a MVS can be had for around $40-100 depending on what model you want. This is before you do any altering or get a Supergun. Consolizing it brings the cost up,and will depend on how much you spend on parts. Really,if you are not comfortable with arcade sticks it will take some time getting use to it.

[Joe Redifer]

At least Capcom waited 10 years or so before milking SF2 again.  At least I assume that's what they're doing.  They just showed a SSF2 Ryu sprite next to one of the HD sprites in the same pose.

[PCEngineHell]

They have been milking it with collection disc,and 3d versions.

[OldRover]

Hey Joe, if you thought the AI on SS2 was something, then you won't be able to handle Mizuki. She got this attack she throws a glowing ball that's tough to dodge and I believe you can't block it either. You're bouncing around like a pinball, every time you hit the wall is quite a bit of damage.  Not only it shatters your weapon, but it also reverses the controls.

Actually, that's not completely correct. Those are two separate attacks. The black glowing ball is her devastating weaponbreaker attack (and you're right, it's unblockable), the control scramble is a different attack altogether. And let's not forget about her transform attack and her floorgrab attack...not to mention her overwhelmingly cheap regular hits. And that stupid dog she has...grr. But she's definitely beatable once you learn her patterns. You can get off a couple of heavy hits in the opening moments most of the time, then she generally goes for normal hits or that stupid control scramble move (and usually teleports right afterwards to confuse you so you usually get hit by it unless you jump over it). When she starts getting desperate, she'll rush in fast for a throw, or try her floorgrab move (this is easy to see coming, so you can either block it or jump over it). She uses the weaponbreaker move rather rarely but when she does, she's a real bitch about it. I've found that low medium strikes hit rather frequently, she doesn't appear to guard low as much as she guards high.

[TR0N]

Sounds like I made the NeoGeo fanboy weep.  Good, that's what I was going for.  Anyway I'm pretty damn good at most fighting games as I said before.  It's just that SNK doesn't seem to make them very well (although I certainly haven't played them all).  The controls are shit.  Maybe it is because I am playing with an SNK-made CDZ pad (or whatever it is).  Maybe I should try it with the gigantic NeoGeo joystick.

Ahh well that would explain it if your useing the, NGCD pads. There fine for shooters and actions games etc on the, NeoGeo but not for fighters.

I'd just recomend a pair of "modded sega saturn pads.. or at least get the official joysticks for it then.

Btw some body get this man some, RealBouts Fatal Fury those 'are easy to get into and any body can play those  

[Joe Redifer]

OK I tried the stick.  I like how easy it is to press buttons simultaneously, but the entire thing has a very cheap feel to it.  In fact I put a huge crack that runs along the top of the entire thing just from mashing the buttons hard (due to me feeling that the control was unresponsive).  Did SNK contract out the manufacturing of these sticks to Fisher Price?  I am now 100% confident that SS2 has little if any merit in 1 player mode.  I would like to blow it up and put it on Youtube, but it may be worth keeping for the two-player mode.  Not sure yet, but there is no way a human opponent can gain more skill the more his life bar goes down.  Also, for some reason I often lose control of my character while they do some weird pose (not stunned).  It is at that time my ass gets beaten.  Is there a way to turn off the poses?

[Turbo D]

Damn SNK and their inferior plastic!

[PCEngineHell]

Take a pic of your cracked stick. I really wanna see that. I have never in my life been able to bust one of the AES sticks,and one of my AES systems I got back in 98 was from a rental shop in a bad part of town. It had seen heavy play on its stick,lots of beating and pounding,and it did not get cracked or break. The only thing I had to fix was the cord. The ball on the stick,those get internal cracks all the time. Thats normal,but the actual body of the AES stick,that shouldn't crack unless you purposefully do so with something like a hammer.