Pat & Ian video on TurboGrafx-16 Failure - What Could Have Saved It?

[NightWolve]

That can happen just by accidentally clicking the Report to Moderator link. Doesn't provide proof positive certainty he submitted one.

[SignOfZeta]

I don't remember doing that. If I did report someone it was probably because someone said "gay" or something. Like everyone here I usually revel in the drama like a pig in shit.

Does anyone remember being tattled on by me here?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I don't understand DarkKobald.  Maybe if I could remember why he hates me I could put the pieces together.

I'm sure it's somehow my fault.

On the other hand, everyone but him seemed to get what I was saying, despite me replying to the wrong person.

Probably because we're not all idiots and/or desperate to 'prove' that anyone else is a horrible person.

Like everyone here I usually revel in the drama like a pig in shit.

Ha!

I don't remember doing that..... Does anyone remember being tattled on by me here?

No.  There essentially were no mods in 2013, so it's not like reporting a post would've done anything anyway; knowing that, I can't see you wasting your time.

But even if you did, who gives a fuck?  It's not like you have to be suffering from severe butthurt to report a post, not when there's assholes like xray or misplaced threads to be moved.

[Johnpv]

I like Pat and Ian.  I like the podcast, and I had the chance to interact with them at the last two gaming conventions I went to.  Well just Pat at AVGC.  They were both really friendly, seemed down to earth and chill.

[Psycho Punch]

I'm not a fan of youtubers that present themselves as experts on gaming, I don't like to watch two shmucks chatting in front of microphones and I really don't like Pat and his extremely punchable face. Only thing that gets close of being that awful are videos that have random footage of a trendy online FPS game while someone talks about something totally unrelated to the footage shown.

What could have saved the TG-16? Not hiring ex-Atari employees to manage the console launch (wtf?). Maybe not even having NEC in the equation whatsoever. Imagine if TTi had been around since day one, they could have done a lot better with 1/10 of the budget NEC had.

[Psycho Punch]

OK I watched the video and I want my time back... lol all "I'm an internet PC Engine expert!!!" boxes are checked in that video:

-Ughh Keith Courage was awful!
-Early 1990 game Bonk's Adventure as pack-in and mascot for a console that was released months earlier
-Street Fighter II in the US with a separate 6-button controller would have helped
-Johnny Turbo KILLED the Duo!

In Japan, Super Mario Bros. 2 was known as Doki Dorky Panic. I'm a NES expert ask me anything.

[geise]

I don't hate the dudes or want to punch em in the face, but I do frown on the fact that they act like they know so much about the console.  Enough to even do a video such as this and state what if's as it's probably fact.

[mickcris]

I don't hate the dudes or want to punch em in the face, but I do frown on the fact that they act like they know so much about the console.  Enough to even do a video such as this and state what if's as it's probably fact.

Most video game youtubers seems to state their opinions as facts.  There are a lot of others (like Gamester 81, Adam Korlick, etc) that also spread misinformation cause they also barely know what they are talking about at all.

I think most or all of the questions Pat and Ian answer are probably sent to the by 8 year olds or idiots that think they are experts and their word is gospel.  Im not really sure how it works but it seems like he always starts out reading a sent in question.

[DildoKKKobold]

What a gyp, for one slight second there, I thought DarkKo was making a serious attempt to bring in some lulz as I looked at his post and text upsizing had begun, but it was a total fail, meme included... :/ Thanks for nothing!

I just thought it was pretty hilarious that he was "reporting it" to Ian. Its as if he thought anyone on this forum, including technozombie, gave two shits what Ian thinks. It came off as a totally useless bluster, which makes me laugh my ass off.

Oh come on, how do people miss such obvious sarcasm on Zeta's part ?? He's got a thicker skin than that! It was just a joke. That is pretty funny though that you'd think he'd run tattle tale over something as silly as this... Maybe it's worth it for the lulz now since some thought he might be Ian himself...

If it were a joke, then why did Zeta go back and edit out the word 'asshole' in his post? Secondly, why is he lying about who he was trying to reply to? His post was yelling about "digging stuff up." I did zero of that, and since he lost his cool with technozombie for no legit reason, he's trying to pretend it was directed at me. Pathetic, but standard for Zeta. He never apologized for calling gredler a racist, after making a bunch of bullshit assumptions about him.

[munchiaz]

i was a baby when the turbo was released, and when i got older my mother got me a SNES, and my uncles suggested SF II as a game to get, as they played it at the corner store up the street from where we lived. I do wish the turbo graphics kept the cover art from PCE games. I think shelf appeal at that time was huge. Now a days box art isn't even considered because most people will just go online to see if a game appeals to them.

[Otaking]

Ian

                                                                                  Of

                                                                                                                                                                    Zeta

[sirhcman]

I'm telling Pat on all of you!

[780racer]

Pat actually is a douche flute. He has twice been a "Know it all, your wrong" to a friend I have who is a youtuber as well. I don't watch the show anymore after the two of them got into a internet 'fight"

Regarding the current topics,

#ZetaMatters

DoxPhile sucks

and we are all just pigs in shit.

[SignOfZeta]

DarkKobold is now the second person on my Ignore list in over a decade of swimming in the sea of mental illness that is this forum. Never blocked Nintego, Professor (either one), the neo-n Nazi, Roy Vegas, Necromancer, not even Joe Redifer.

EvilEvoX is the other one.

Its not that they are the stupidest or the meanest or the most dishonest or the most insane, they're just the least worth fighting with. DicK imagines some sin. Complains about it. I tell him and don't know WTF he's on about. Other members, some of which hate my guts, explain that he imaged it. He just moves on to some other imagined thing, probably less based in reality and more complex than the last one. Its like trying to explain climate change to a Flat Earther. Causality isn't how they operate. They start with "I hate that guy." and then turn it into a case. Disprove every piece of "evidence" one at a time and instead of them maybe realizing that they imagined the whole thing he just moves onto some other thing. Give it a week of solid attention and I'm sure he could prove that I founded ISIS.

There is genuinely nothing to be learned. Nothing is as stake. There is no actual argument. There's just a dumb asshole. His problem is he hates me. Until I'm dead and in the ground this shit is never going to stop. So while prefer the free exchange of conversation I guess I have my limits.

[SignOfZeta]

It looks like DicK is going to have to rip me a new one for another lie. I said I blocked him but actually I hadn't, I was planning on doing it after submitting my post. I haven't done it yet because I cannot find the way to do it. I've only done it once, no idea how. They feature is fucking *hidden* man. If I didn't have block list I'd swear the function doesn't exist on this forum. I looked...well I thought I clicked on every button but no luck so far...

EDIT: I just PM-ed DicK. Maybe he knows.

[esteban]

It looks like DicK is going to have to rip me a new one for another lie. I said I blocked him but actually I hadn't, I was planning on doing it after submitting my post. I haven't done it yet because I cannot find the way to do it. I've only done it once, no idea how. They feature is fucking *hidden* man. If I didn't have block list I'd swear the function doesn't exist on this forum. I looked...well I thought I clicked on every button but no luck so far...

EDIT: I just PM-ed DicK. Maybe he knows.

Zeta, from recent memory, this is the best addendum to a post.

Please, don't block him. Your inconsistency might drive him insane.

[DildoKKKobold]

Blah blah blah...

No real response to the fact that you were talking to technozombie, realized you fucked up, and tried to turn it on me. Instead, wild accusations about me. Nice one. ProfProf would be proud.

Lots of effort to save face, when you could have just said "Sorry" to technozombie or gredler. 

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20608.msg449641#msg449641

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20608.msg449692#msg449692

Why the fuck would I answer your PM? Figure out your dammed self.

EDIT: It'd be nice if a mod could split this shit to a fighting street thread. Its polluting this thread.

[esteban]

Ok, I guess I won't be able to nominate DK and Zeta as "Best pcefx Pals" for 2016....

[Arkhan Asylum]

TRUMP LOVES CUM 2016

[SignOfZeta]

Blah blah blah...

No real response to the fact that you were talking to technozombie, realized you fucked up, and tried to turn it on me. Instead, wild accusations about me. Nice one. ProfProf would be proud.

Lots of effort to save face, when you could have just said "Sorry" to technozombie or gredler. 

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20608.msg449641#msg449641

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20608.msg449692#msg449692

Why the fuck would I answer your PM? Figure out your dammed self.

EDIT: It'd be nice if a mod could split this shit to a fighting street thread. Its polluting this thread.

DicK: I PM-ed you because I thought it was funny. While I can understand someone disagreeing with me on that, you seem to not even be aware that it was a joke at all meaning...you may be emotionally impaired, so I guess then I'm the bad guy for picking on people with disabilities. Fuck.

ALL: Anyway, seriously, how do you block people here? I've clicked on every button I can find in the settings or while viewing other people's profiles and I seriously don't see it. I even Googled it hoping to find a thread somewhere talking about it.

[DildoKKKobold]

DicK: I PM-ed you because I thought it was funny. While I can understand someone disagreeing with me on that, you seem to not even be aware that it was a joke at all meaning...you may be emotionally impaired, so I guess then I'm the bad guy for picking on people with disabilities. Fuck.

"Everyone, this guy is so emotionally upsetting to me I need to block him! But tee-hee, I'll make a joke too. And actually follow through with it!" (He did PM me, fwiw).

Esteban is right, your inconsistency will drive me insane.

EDIT: You also have done an A+ job at avoiding the fact that you WERE actually responding to technozombie.

Also, you're welcome.

[esteban]

[Johnpv]

Most video game youtubers seems to state their opinions as facts.  There are a lot of others (like Gamester 81, Adam Korlick, etc) that also spread misinformation cause they also barely know what they are talking about at all.

Adam Korlick is terrible, his videos are half assed and misinformed.  No idea how that guy has a following.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

EDIT: It'd be nice if a mod could split this shit to a fighting street thread. Its polluting this thread.

Agreed, your trolling and personal attacks are polluting this thread (among others), but I'm not going to 'fix' it for you.  You can act like an adult and take your crusade against Zeta elsewhere all by yourself.

[esadajr]

...Only thing that gets close of being that awful are videos that have random footage of a trendy online FPS game while someone talks about something totally unrelated to the footage shown...

At least the Big Queso got his $200 back.

[PukeSter]

...Only thing that gets close of being that awful are videos that have random footage of a trendy online FPS game while someone talks about something totally unrelated to the footage shown...

At least the Big Queso got his $200 back.

I remember when ReviewTechUSA decided to permanently for go the footage, and just talk into the camera. He got a lot of shit for that...very next video had fps video.

[mickcris]

Most video game youtubers seems to state their opinions as facts.  There are a lot of others (like Gamester 81, Adam Korlick, etc) that also spread misinformation cause they also barely know what they are talking about at all.

Adam Korlick is terrible, his videos are half assed and misinformed.  No idea how that guy has a following.

I think its that a lot of those guys, like him and gamester81, started on youtube a long time ago.  If either one of them would just be starting out today, they probably would have a hard time getting people to watch them.

[NightWolve]

Oh come on, how do people miss such obvious sarcasm on Zeta's part ?? He's got a thicker skin than that! It was just a joke. That is pretty funny though that you'd think he'd run tattle tale over something as silly as this... Maybe it's worth it for the lulz now since some thought he might be Ian himself...

If it were a joke, then why did Zeta go back and edit out the word 'asshole' in his post? Secondly, why is he lying about who he was trying to reply to? His post was yelling about "digging stuff up." I did zero of that, and since he lost his cool with technozombie for no legit reason, he's trying to pretend it was directed at me. Pathetic, but standard for Zeta. He never apologized for calling gredler a racist, after making a bunch of bullshit assumptions about him.

* Well, the two don't have to be connected (deleting an insult v. his sarcastic bluff/joke), but if I had to guess, he went back, reviewed, and decided (rightfully!) that it wasn't so justified calling techno an a$$hole after all, just for being overly suspicious and insinuating there's something wrong with both hating these types of Youtube shows and actually being friends with one of the hosts whose show you're trashing.

* Is he lying or admitting to mistakenly responding to the wrong person ?? It's very questionable to make a "mistake" like that, yeah, but whatever.

* I clicked your links, right, forgot about that, Zeta "initiated" Gredler into the time-honored tradition of eventually being called a racist over the Internet. As a leftie, it's in his hack nature to yell racist at someone eventually, for voting republican or getting anywhere near issues where racial relations could play a role (if a white guy with "white privilege"), such as the case in question with [gangsta] rap music, etc. So I'm a racist, you're a racist, Gredler too, racism-everywhere, it's all good. Heh-heh. You just have to laugh that kind of libel off by such people.

On this tangent, I'd also agree that the true mark of an a$$hole is one who never apologizes. Neither excess is good, going on "apology tours" and looking foolish or *never* apologizing given hatefulness, arrogance, pride, ego, lacking empathy, etc. Sometimes, if you can later realize you were in the wrong when things cooled off after some conflict, you should do so, but yeah...it's a rare quality these days... I don't think it's a sign of weakness...


Anyway, I'm done with this, so final thoughts: I really think Zeta has better things to do than take snapshots, play "tattle-tale toady" and waste Ian's time on something as utterly stupid and silly as this... He's too much of a snob to have bothered, heh. I just can't imagine him using the PrintScreen key, opening an image editor, cropping a screencap, uploading it somewhere, and PM'ing Ian with, "Hey, check this out!" Seriously! Has he *ever* done that before ? I don't recall...

So, knowing him for years, given all the context, it was a lame sort of sarcastic joke/bluff and it was so offhanded, it surprises me so much more was read into it... BUT, to your side, this illustrates the risk you take when you use sarcastic humor, it can be read literally by a % of readers... It's your choice to continue to read it literally though, even after his denials and thinking he was serious and that you somehow deterred him by calling him out. We have to agree to disagree at some point.

Ya know, like, take other examples, does Punch literally wanna punch Pat the Punk in the face ? Was Joe RediferRumble serious about his petty public "threat" to pull his Kickstarter pledge cause of my emailed newsletters ? Opinions will vary...

ALL: Anyway, seriously, how do you block people here? I've clicked on every button I can find in the settings or while viewing other people's profiles and I seriously don't see it. I even Googled it hoping to find a thread somewhere talking about it.

Was gonna show you, but DarkKo took care of it. Like esteban, I'd also advise against adding him to your ignore list, but I'll understand either way. Heh. Once in a while, he manages to get some lulz in there rare as it is, not this time, but it's possible, so you'll miss out on that, AND on updates with his Catastrophy game...

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Spoken like a true racist. 

















On a serious note, it's a shame the ignore feature is harder to use and you can't see how many peeps have you ignored any more.

[esteban]

I blame Pat & Ian for this thread spiraling into tripe.

[Otaking]

I've decided to convert this thread to a raffle, anyone who has posted in the thread has automatically been entered.
I'll draw a winner in 69 hours.
Then PM Pat to collect your prize.
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3341

[DildoKKKobold]

Well, the two don't have to be connected (deleting an insult v. his sarcastic bluff/joke), but if I had to guess, he went back, reviewed, and decided (rightfully!) that it wasn't so justified calling techno an a$$hole after all, just for being overly suspicious and implying there's something wrong with both hating these types of Youtube shows and actually being friends with one of the hosts whose show you're trashing.

Is he lying or admitting to mistakenly responding to the wrong person ?? It's very questionable to make a "mistake" like that, yeah, but whatever.

I just want to say overall, I <3 your post, and agree wholeheartedly.

I think what angered me, is that he did make the post toward TZ, and then tried twice to deflect it as "replying to the wrong person, i.e. DicKobold." When called out on it, his rant went into "DarkKobold is making bullshit up! Like a flat-earther trying to learn climate change!" Zero accountability.

Yeah, dude, mistake one was calling technozombie an asshole, and ranting at him for asking a simple question. A simple "my bad dude" would have cleared it up. Instead, he tried to cover it up. He cascaded the situation into "DarkKobold is an evil that must be blocked!" rather than just owning it.

[Gredler]

I found out how to Add Zeta to the Buddy List, and now I am going to add everyone, because you're all my buddies. No hard feelings, bury the hatchet, yada yada yada

[esteban]

I honestly do not know what about ignore and/or buddy features.

What else does the forum have that I am completely ignorant about?

Thank you.

[Gredler]

Notify button, mark all threads as read, these are two of my favorite things

[Psycho Punch]

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plug a charged jo crystal into the usb port to enable it

[sirhcman]

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Profile > Account Settings > Delete this Account

[esteban]

profile fields for dick pix & size measurements

plug a charged jo crystal into the usb port to enable it

Shite. My laptop only supports USB 1.0. The JO crystal is barely glowing.

[Gredler]

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I think you owe me an apology. I am going to sick my programmer on you, and he will flame the shit out of you six months from now. Watch it, pal.

[DeshDildo]

Well, the two don't have to be connected (deleting an insult v. his sarcastic bluff/joke), but if I had to guess, he went back, reviewed, and decided (rightfully!) that it wasn't so justified calling techno an a$$hole after all, just for being overly suspicious and implying there's something wrong with both hating these types of Youtube shows and actually being friends with one of the hosts whose show you're trashing.

Is he lying or admitting to mistakenly responding to the wrong person ?? It's very questionable to make a "mistake" like that, yeah, but whatever.

I just want to say overall, I <3 your post, and agree wholeheartedly.

I think what angered me, is that he did make the post toward TZ, and then tried twice to deflect it as "replying to the wrong person, i.e. DicKobold." When called out on it, his rant went into "DarkKobold is making bullshit up! Like a flat-earther trying to learn climate change!" Zero accountability.

Yeah, dude, mistake one was calling technozombie an asshole, and ranting at him for asking a simple question. A simple "my bad dude" would have cleared it up. Instead, he tried to cover it up. He cascaded the situation into "DarkKobold is an evil that must be blocked!" rather than just owning it.

Does this all seem like a budding friendship here?  I never thought I'd see the day.

[sirhcman]

Notify button, mark all threads as read, these are two of my favorite things

Profile > Account Settings > Delete this Account

I think you owe me an apology. I am going to sick my programmer on you, and he will flame the shit out of you six months from now. Watch it, pal.

I'm not going to apologize for anything!

[NightWolve]

profile fields for dick pix & size measurements

plug a charged jo crystal into the usb port to enable it

Shite. My laptop only supports USB 1.0. The JO crystal is barely glowing.

[technozombie]

profile fields for dick pix & size measurements

plug a charged jo crystal into the usb port to enable it

Shite. My laptop only supports USB 1.0. The JO crystal is barely glowing.

Well my dick pix are too pixelated cuz i have to zoom in to much........so stop whining

[Otaking]

and the winner of this raffle is Esteban.

Pat is awaiting your PM to award you with your prize
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=3341

[NightWolve]

Cool, thanks for your unparalleled generosity in having converted this fine thread to a raffle! And congrats to esteban on the win!

[esteban]

I just want to thank my first-grade teacher, Ms. Bint, my family, and God for the Good Life I am blessed with. The High Life.

Miller High Life.



BACK ON TOPIC: I actually went from barely tolerating Pat & Ian to --> regular listener.

I can't watch the videos, but I listen to the podcast. Sure, there are frequent segments that irk me... but overall I am entertained (and I have fun critiquing them). I don't think I can read/watch/listen to anything I am passionate about without compromising in some way.

A lot of pop culture conversations are pure drivel (weak evidence to support claims), anyway, so *by their very nature* they will annoy a certain segment of their audience.

Very few people can produce a large *quantity* of high *caliber* content.... (Pat & Ian do not...just to be clear)

Techmoan (YouTube) is someone who never annoys me.  I love his stuff. But he doesn't deal with the hyper-opinionated-shitefest that surrounds video game conversations. So, he has it easy.



BACK ON TOPIC, FOR REAL: I just realized this thread was supposed to be about the viability of TG-16...

Look at the early PCE releases from the first 2 years (1987-89)...sadly, there are NOT many missed opportunities for *killer* games to localize for the NA market. This is sobering, because it means that releasing the TG-16 earlier = weaker library.

And as most folks know, the library of games will make or break a system.

Now, contrast this with NES: some of the best games, from huge franchises, were being released to huge fanfare circa 1987-1991...

SMS is a non-entity (sorry, I lived in a pro-SMS area and it was still struggling...even with local SMS rentals and a bunch of friends with SMS).

BOTTOMLINE: There weren't enough NA-friendly games in PCE library during 1987-1988 to bring over (to TG-16) sooner *and* to have sustained  *steady stream* of quality games.

* Localization of RPGs was time-consuming, expensive and risky.

* could Tengen have been a key ally in beefing up TG-16 library? Possibly, but I don't see any *killer games* ... or *system sellers*  Plus, Tengen would have to quickly pump them out before Lawsuit a la mode Nintendo. 

* could an earlier TG-16 launch, accompanied by some success, generated more *awareness of the viability of a NA market* for NA & JP developers? Sure. Could this have spurred PCE developers to prioritize games that appealed to both JP and NA markets? Sure. This is the scenario that might have actually changed TG-16's fate, IMHO, but it is an unlikely scenario. Plus, NA developers were mostly shite (Zeta's point cannot be ignored).

* even if TG-16 had modest success in 1988 (1-year headstart)...SEGA would have pushed hard with its familiar brands + IP + "we aren't for kiddies" marketing to target key demographics...

* so, TG-16 still ends up in third place, but perhaps not a *super-distant* third place. But still distant. Actually, we have been using the wrong analogy. SEGA (and Nintendo) ran LAPS AROUND our humble TG-16. Even if TG-16's fortunes had been better, that short lead would have become meaningless by 1990-1991.

* Unless, of course, FEKA executives (e.g. Kalinske) were working for NEC. Now *that* is the alternate history I would like to see.

[CrackTiger]

The problem with these topics is that everyone always rehashes the same crap that actually happened instead of pointing out real changes that could or definitely would have had a dramatically different outcome.

An alternate reality whete NEC had their shit together and happenrd to make the right kinds of choices  wouldn't be bottlenecked by what the PC Engine in our reality has. If NEC and Hudson worked together from day one to make the PC Engine a worldwide success, they would have bankrolled all kinds of different games. NEC could have bought Nintendo or Capcom or Konami or bought exclusive rights to some of those major 3rd party publishers' games. If they hadn't screwed up early CD game developnent, they could have shipped an all-in-one only in 1987 or maybe even early and eaten some of the cost so that Sega couldn't sell the MD cheaper.

There are infinite scenarios where the PCE would have dominated North America. It makes no sense to start well into our timeline where it didn't and say, "even though it was already too late, releasing SFII' in 1994 would have changed everything!".

[ClodBusted]

Techmoan (YouTube) is someone who never annoys me. 

I agree with you.

[Otaking]

Techmoan (YouTube) is someone who never annoys me. 

I agree with you.

Not heard of him, I'll check him out.

[esteban]

Techmoan (YouTube) is someone who never annoys me. 

I agree with you.

Not heard of him, I'll check him out.

He is fantastic and has actually gotten *better* (muppets!)

The problem with these topics is that everyone always rehashes the same crap that actually happened instead of pointing out real changes that could or definitely would have had a dramatically different outcome.

An alternate reality whete NEC had their shit together and happenrd to make the right kinds of choices  wouldn't be bottlenecked by what the PC Engine in our reality has. If NEC and Hudson worked together from day one to make the PC Engine a worldwide success, they would have bankrolled all kinds of different games. NEC could have bought Nintendo or Capcom or Konami or bought exclusive rights to some of those major 3rd party publishers' games. If they hadn't screwed up early CD game developnent, they could have shipped an all-in-one only in 1987 or maybe even early and eaten some of the cost so that Sega couldn't sell the MD cheaper.

There are infinite scenarios where the PCE would have dominated North America. It makes no sense to start well into our timeline where it didn't and say, "even though it was already too late, releasing SFII' in 1994 would have changed everything!".

Agreed...I thought I had a few good suggestions for a realistic alternate reality