Who's still playing their Wii?

[ClodBusted]

"Oooooh, I just can't let other people have fun with systems and games I don't approve."

[Arkhan Asylum]

"Oooooh, I just can't let other people have fun with systems and games I don't approve."

"Oooooh, I crash people discussing opinions on games with trite, overplayed, condescending statements."

[blueraven]

POINTLESS ARGUING:

We have a thread here at pcefx that lists TONS of awesome games for the Wii.

For example, even shootemups fans will be pleasantly surprised.

NO I'M NOT REFERRING TO VIRTUAL CONSOLE.

VC is just a nice bonus.

Dammit este.

I'll respond to this thread when I'm not being skullfucked by deadlines.

No, its not pointless. Arguing brings up points and opinions which is what forums are supposed to be about. Occasionally, people have to bring up their opinions to defend them.

I HOWEVER CANNOT READ WALLS OF TEXT RIGHT NOW

But every quote will be addressed within the next sunset.

[ClodBusted]

Funny Granstream Saga was mentioned. I played it in the hope that it would be a good spiritual followup to Terranigma. But I was disappointed from the gameplay, which suffered from being ported to 3D graphics. The combat controls felt rather slow, stiff and thus unnatural when coming from the older games. The story is nice, but both the English as well as German dubbing for the animated cutscenes are breaking the athmosphere in a very unpleasant way - it's not even funny, it's just plain bad. It makes me wish there would be a way to have the Japanese audio along with English subtitles and English ingame text.

I wonder how this game would have turned out if the developers stuck with true and tested 2D overhead graphics.



Still, if someone like this game, I say what was written above is my personal opinion and should nobody hinder from giving Granstream Saga a try by themselves. Some may like the slow and methodical combat system for a good reason.

[blueraven]

Or what if you didn't have the games and only got to experience them in the first place because they were released on the Wii? Because that was exactly my case! If it wasn't for the Virtual Console I most likely wouldn't even know the TurboGrafx-16 even existed because I wasn't born back when it was a thing, same with Mega Drive, I wouldn't have bothered to play it had the games not been released on the Wii, and you know what? I'm an adamant defender of digital distribution of older games like the Virtual Console because not only does that mean that more people can experience those older games that they otherwise wouldn't, but also because at least that way I'm giving my money to the publishers, and in some cases the developers who own/made the game instead of some ebay randoes, but if you already owned the game, there's nobody forcing you to buy it again, if you wanna play it just go and play your own copy...

We had this thing called Magic Engine and you could play it on virtually any PCE/Turbo PC or linux box.  With WINDOWS 95. Then Mednafen. Then came the rasberry Pi and now you can stuff one on the armrest of your car and play it through the screen in your headrest.

Look, OK. I get it you discovered the Turbo through the Wii. That doesn't change any of the points made earlier, by me, or Arkhan. You're just trying to hit us with a bazooka-load of opinions, appearing in a wall of text, with one point that comes down to personal preference.   

For those particular systems, which I hadn't tried to emulate before, and also, my Wii is outdated, an update could fix that... Everything else (like NES, SNES, GB, GBC, GBA, N64, MD, SMS, GG, NGPC, GCN, Sega CD, PCE, SuperGrafx, PCECD, PC-FX, WonderSwan/Colour) run the vast majority of the games pretty much flawlessly, and if that's a fail, then I don't know what a win is...

You should update your system hardware. This is the point here.

Because I don't have one? Because I can't afford one? Keep in mind that not everyone in the world has deep pockets but they still want to enjoy retro-gaming, and I'd rather pay $5 for Bonk's Adventure on my Wii than $25 for a loose HuCard, or just play Sapphire for free on WiiMednafen...

Ok, now we're getting to the root of whats happening here. Not having a Turbo is probably the most legit reason to own a Wii.

A lot of us have been playing these games since they were released in the 1990's, and many of us have been forced to part with some or all of our collections to make rent, bills, etc. and have instantaneously regretted it.

I can see, now why you own the Wii. For convenience, and emulation. That is probably the most legit reason to own a Wii and keep playing it... I can't see going over any of that consoles games more than once, it has the lowest replay value of any system I've owned...

And I just do all of my emulation on a PC so this just seems incredibly redundant.

If you really are running like 20 emulators on that thing you should update the firmware and Hot-Rod the Wii for emulation.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Funny Granstream Saga was mentioned. I played it in the hope that it would be a good spiritual followup to Terranigma. But I was disappointed from the gameplay, which suffered from being ported to 3D graphics. The combat controls felt rather slow, stiff and thus unnatural when coming from the older games. The story is nice, but both the English as well as German dubbing for the animated cutscenes are breaking the athmosphere in a very unpleasant way - it's not even funny, it's just plain bad. It makes me wish there would be a way to have the Japanese audio along with English subtitles and English ingame text.

I wonder how this game would have turned out if the developers stuck with true and tested 2D overhead graphics.



Still, if someone like this game, I say what was written above is my personal opinion and should nobody hinder from giving Granstream Saga a try by themselves. Some may like the slow and methodical combat system for a good reason.

It's not without clunky early 3D flaws, but it was a rather pioneering effort considering when it came out. 

There were other ones like Alundra 2 that smoothed things out a bit, but ... Alundra 2 had some other issues instead.   

They all had garbage voice acting, lol 

[Mas]

Been using my nes classic controller for playing rondo of blood on the tg16. The nes controller is very good for the tg16 games.

I did the same, works fine for Rondo. The only thing I'm missing are the turbo switches.

I also have used the Wiimote on the nes and with the settings I made the wiimote turn into the nes zapper so now I had the gun accessory and was playing duck hunt on the nes. It worked for hogans ally also

You used the Wiimote with an original NES as a Zappper substitute? Please let us know how you did this.

So I have the fce ultra menu with all the nes roms.
I went to duck hunt, started the game and hit the menu options on the fce ultra screen. Select the controller options and then you can select between the nes 2 controllers, 4 controllers, or zapper. Use the zapper option the go back and there you go. Point the wiimote like a gun and you can see the crosshairs on the screen

[Nazi NecroPhile]

That's not using a Wiimote on an NES. 

Reading is fundamental. 

[Mas]

The wii is a great system for emulation and some great games came out on it. The one thing I kind of wished that the virtual console did have was the wrestling games on the n64. But yeah I like the system

[crazydean]

The wii is a great system for emulation and some great games came out on it. The one thing I kind of wished that the virtual console did have was the wrestling games on the n64. But yeah I like the system

Have you tried selling your Wii with 5000 games on it yet? You should ask for $5000. That's less than a dollar per game!

[Mas]

The wii is a great system for emulation and some great games came out on it. The one thing I kind of wished that the virtual console did have was the wrestling games on the n64. But yeah I like the system

Have you tried selling your Wii with 5000 games on it yet? You should ask for $5000. That's less than a dollar per game!

Have you tried selling your personality yet or is it so lacking you'd up paying

[PukeSter]

That's of course not to mention that both the Wii and the Game Cube have a s***load of really good games!

Stop right there.

A bit off topic, but the rise of the whole "Gamecube is underrated" mantra is getting on my nerves.

I get the love for the Wii, it's a kickass emulation machine with some interesting motion games (Red Steel 2), fantastic mario games and it also helped keep mid-budget games alive during the ps360 era. Hell, it got me into the Turbografx.

The Gamecube has nothing special going for it. The first party was worse than the n64, the controller was worse, Nintendo farmed out their games with meh results, and the exclusives were just odd. Resident Evil 4 was pretty cool but that's really it. It didn't even have online.

Don't tell me Animal Crossing is good.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Resident Evil 4 was pretty cool but that's really it. It didn't even have online.

Resident Evil 4 was neat but marked the end of the Resident Evil being Resident Evil, so we should collectively hate it forever.

The Wii had a decent library sort of.  Just not a powerhouse library that you'd expect or hope for on a Nintendo machine.

[SignOfZeta]

That's of course not to mention that both the Wii and the Game Cube have a s***load of really good games!

Stop right there.

A bit off topic, but the rise of the whole "Gamecube is underrated" mantra is getting on my nerves.

I get the love for the Wii, it's a kickass emulation machine with some interesting motion games (Red Steel 2), fantastic mario games and it also helped keep mid-budget games alive during the ps360 era. Hell, it got me into the Turbografx.

The Gamecube has nothing special going for it. The first party was worse than the n64, the controller was worse, Nintendo farmed out their games with meh results, and the exclusives were just odd. Resident Evil 4 was pretty cool but that's really it. It didn't even have online.

Don't tell me Animal Crossing is good.

Anyone who doesn't like the GC is clearly fucked in the head. "Nothing special" my ASS. Have you ever played anything like Pac Man Vs? Odama? Have you seen F Zero in progressive scan? Have you used the Gameboy Player? A better pre-Wavebird wireless pad? A better bongo-controlled platformer than Jungle Beat? A better anime based wrestling game than Kinnikuman? Certainly not the PS2 one.

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

And I'd love to hear how the Cube pad is worse the the N64. That should be a very interesting if very unpopular opinion. I rank the N64 pad one notch above 3DO. One notch above because the buttons are way better, but only one notch since great buttons are only uselful if the analog stick hasn't been broken and there very little chance of that if a kid under 12 has ever gotten his hands on it. The Cube pad on the other hand, when it comes to modern analog stuff, it's easily my favorite. Clearly it's ass for fighters or OG games but the triggers are very smooth and have a long pull. The d-pads have very little dead space (especially compared to N64 and DC, which were very bad in this area) and all the buttons actually line up with your thumbs when you're are holding it in the way it was meant to be held, which four generations of PlayStations still haven't done.

Not to mention, if anyone has ever bested NEC in the packaging department it would have been Nintendo with this design. The parts layout is just beautiful and reliability is as high as any disc based system I can think of.

[Arkhan Asylum]

To me the Gamecube was great hardware with a library that never did it for me because of all these holes in it's library that I don't really understand how they stayed empty.   

I will admit there's still this satisfying feeling whenever I put a disc in it and press the power button.  The controller is sturdy.  Those triggers are awesome.  The GBA player is also a good time.   

That fucker can take a beating too.  I dropped mine once from I'd say a 6 or so foot drop, and it still works fine.  It didn't even crack the casing.

I just barely get into the games probably due to the severe lack of RPGs, because I can only get so excited by F Zero and Rogue Leader.

I think Rogue Leader was probably the game I played the most.   

I wish Star Fox Adventures was what was used for Prime, because Prime sucked.    It did the same thing Ocarina of Time did to Zelda.  "lock on, strafe around, fuck this is boring".

I enjoyed Tony Hawks Pro Morphball though.   That was a good distraction from the most obviously scripted enemy encounters and scan-stuff-because-its-the-gimmick shit in the game.   The visor gimmick wore off and got tedious so fast.

I remember renting Dave Mirra because I couldn't find anything better to play.   So I zoomed around as the Slim Jim guy, crashing into shit to garbage pop punk.

and THPS3.

It just lacked the first party shit I expected.   Wind Waker was dumb.  Rogue Leader was better than StarFox Assault.  Prime was dumb.  the  Mario games were .... yep.

Melee was great but... really wasn't that fun alone. 

Eternal Darkness and the RE stuff ruled.

and the Metal Gear remake.

but like, where were all the sweet action games?

Beyond Good and Evil was basically it.

and Time Splitters 2 but again, that sucks if you're always playing alone.

[blueraven]

Anyone who doesn't like the GC is clearly fucked in the head.

You're good at making friends.

"Nothing special" my ASS. Have you ever played anything like Pac Man Vs? Odama? Have you seen F Zero in progressive scan? Have you used the Gameboy Player? A better pre-Wavebird wireless pad? A better bongo-controlled platformer than Jungle Beat? A better anime based wrestling game than Kinnikuman? Certainly not the PS2 one.

Ok, thats a legit reason, if its a good DVD player, but who the fuck in their right mind would go into a pawnshop and see a Wii and be like "Honey, this is a perfect DVD player for our living room!" I mean that's some serious insider knowledge.

Also, No, no, no, no, and no. I don't even know what a wavebird is, I basically checked out after the PS1. 

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

I don't really have a point of reference for this, nor do I sit with a stopwatch and calculate the exact load times of DVD's on gaming consoles. If you have done this, I have no choice but to trust you. Sometimes, I get up and get popcorn or a beer if it takes awhile.

And I'd love to hear how the Cube pad is worse the the N64.

I think it's better... That was the worst controller in the history of... wait how many consoles are we talking about now?

[ClodBusted]

There's no better analog stick for Super Monkey Ball (2) than the Game Cube controller's analog stick.





There, I said it.

[crazydean]

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

I don't really have a point of reference for this, nor do I sit with a stopwatch and calculate the exact load times of DVD's on gaming consoles. If you have done this, I have no choice but to trust you. Sometimes, I get up and get popcorn or a beer if it takes awhile.

You must love the Neo Geo CD for this "feature"!

Really though, that was the reason Nintendo stuck with carts with the N64, even though everyone else had already moved on the discs. CDs can hold more memory and are much cheaper to produce than carts, but Nintendo thought it better to have fast load times. This is why they went with those mini-DVDs on the GCN instead of full-sized discs, because they have fast load times. You forget that you're even using disc-based media when playing.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Going with cartridges was part of the reason the N64 sucked.   Games cost more, sometimes the music blew compared to PS1 versions,

AND THEY HAD NO SPINE LABELS BECAUSE WHAT THE FUCK.

[SignOfZeta]

Anyone who doesn't like the GC is clearly fucked in the head.

You're good at making friends.

"Nothing special" my ASS. Have you ever played anything like Pac Man Vs? Odama? Have you seen F Zero in progressive scan? Have you used the Gameboy Player? A better pre-Wavebird wireless pad? A better bongo-controlled platformer than Jungle Beat? A better anime based wrestling game than Kinnikuman? Certainly not the PS2 one.

Ok, thats a legit reason, if its a good DVD player, but who the fuck in their right mind would go into a pawnshop and see a Wii and be like "Honey, this is a perfect DVD player for our living room!" I mean that's some serious insider knowledge.

Also, No, no, no, no, and no. I don't even know what a wavebird is, I basically checked out after the PS1. 

Have you used any CD/DVD system that had quicker load times? Many 1st party games have virtually none, loading faster than even many arcade games of the day. 

I don't really have a point of reference for this, nor do I sit with a stopwatch and calculate the exact load times of DVD's on gaming consoles. If you have done this, I have no choice but to trust you. Sometimes, I get up and get popcorn or a beer if it takes awhile.

And I'd love to hear how the Cube pad is worse the the N64.

I think it's better... That was the worst controller in the history of... wait how many consoles are we talking about now?

We're talking about the Cube, right? I never said it was a good DVD player. It literally cannot be a good DVD player because it takes 3" discs only, you fucking herb. It's not just load times you have no reference point for, from what I can see. You really shouldn't make such declarative statements about things like consumer products you apparently have never touched. It's not like you said "I think it looks dumb"', it's that you specifically called out people who defended it as not knowing what they were taking about but in reality you don't even know it won't take 5" discs making it seem very unlikely that you've spent any decent time with one.

Game availability, as others have said, is terrible. This has been an issue ever since the SFC though. There are always fewer good Nintendo games with each generation. I don't know, N64 might have sucked even worse in that category though. Just because it didn't have 780 pieces of shovelware on top of the good stuff doesn't mean it's better than the Wii library. The crap doesn't matter. The good stuff is what matters.

RE: load times. You don't need a stop watch to notice that Gran Tursimo takes half a minute (on any PS, it doesn't matter, no technology can save us from loading, it's a human problem) and most of the games on Cube with Mario in the name go from the title screen to you doing something nearly as quick as a Gameboy. If you were around for PS1 then you know aaaaallllll about load times. GC is more like PCE or faster, at least with first party games. Activision or whoever usually had different priories, maybe because those games were usually multi platform and, load times would be closer to PS2. The small disc helps a lot though.

God, Luigi's Mansion is so cool. For some reason I can't get into the 3DS one.

Wave Race GC is super fun. Almost identical to the excellent N64 game but with much less shitty graphics making it a lot easier to enjoy. For me, anyway, since I'm not a massive fan of 3D games in general I never really enjoyed many of them until at least Dreamcast came around and could do a decent job of it.  WR is not quite as free wheeling as the Outrun 2 games but in the same vein and it helps to be able to draw some blue skies and whatever snd not have it look like Wolfenstien.

I'm not a huge Zelda guy (wouldn't want to be) but Wind Waker and Link's Awakening are far and above my favorites.

The Super Robot Wars on GC was bad. Not worthless, it's an interesting divergence (later ported to XB, bizzareely) but still bad. The Gundam game though, the Ace Pilot one, was surprisingly good.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Wind Waker would have been a much better game if it didnt look like Andy Warhol had a stroke  while using a paint program.

[Michirin9801]

The Game Cube controller is great and all for the Nintendo games, like Super Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion and Zelda Wind Waker, but have you tried playing a fighting game other than Melee in it? (If so, it was probably Soul Calibur 2, btw best version because Link)
Everyone and their moms LOVES the Game Cube controller for Melee, I'm not that big into smash to begin with, I was back then, but mostly for the Nintendo Fangasm, which had already died down by the time I got to playing Brawl, I always found the gameplay to be too floaty and much less satisfying than a traditional fighter, now I know there's a lot of depth to Melee with the Wave-dashing and the L cancelling and stuff, but I'm FAR from a competitive fighting gamer, I just prefer traditional fighters because I think they're a LOT more fun than Smash...

Now Capcom vs. SNK 2 and Bloody Roar Primal Fury (which btw is WAY better than the PS1 Bloody Roar games) were probably the GCN games I've spent the most time with, but for these kinds of games the button layout of the cube is just dumb, and the D-pad's position is too awkward to use comfortably, I don't think I've ever had a worse experience playing fighting games, but you know what? I'd say the proper way to enjoy those games is on Nintendont on the Wii, which lets you play Game Cube games with the Wii Classic Controller Pro! Which I still say is the best controller Nintendo made since the SNES (not counting handhelds) because it is the natural evolution of the SNES controller with the D-pad, the sticks, the shoulder buttons and the face buttons are all in the correct place and layout! Granted the sticks aren't quite as good as the GCN analogue stick, but they get the job done perfectly well, and the D-pad is not quite as good as the SNES D-pad, or even on the Wiimote itself, but I've used a lot worse (on the Game Cube) I'd say it's about on-par with the PS1 D-pad, but with a proper cross shape...

Also, Zelda Wind Waker is one of the better 3D Zeldas, it's way WAY WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY better than Twilight Princess, that much is for sure, and because of its more cartoony art-style it aged like a fine wine~ (But not as well as 16 bit games)

[o.pwuaioc]

I'd say the proper way to enjoy [Capcom vs. SNK 2] is on Nintendont on the Wii, which lets you play Game Cube games with the Wii Classic Controller Pro!

Or a Dreamcast with a stick.

[Michirin9801]

I'd say the proper way to enjoy [Capcom vs. SNK 2] is on Nintendont on the Wii, which lets you play Game Cube games with the Wii Classic Controller Pro!

Or a Dreamcast with a stick.

Or that, but I was more specifically talking about the Game Cube version... You know, there's also a few arcade sticks for the Wii, but I don't have any, and I prefer gamepads anyway...

[o.pwuaioc]

I'd say the proper way to enjoy [Capcom vs. SNK 2] is on Nintendont on the Wii, which lets you play Game Cube games with the Wii Classic Controller Pro!

Or a Dreamcast with a stick.

Or that, but I was more specifically talking about the Game Cube version... You know, there's also a few arcade sticks for the Wii, but I don't have any, and I prefer gamepads anyway...

I had the TvC one that was made for the game. It was Ok. I don't recommend either TvC or the Wii, so I can't really recommend the stick, either, but if you like the game, I guess it's worth getting. Fairly cheap as far as sticks go.

[Michirin9801]

I had the TvC one that was made for the game. It was Ok. I don't recommend either TvC or the Wii, so I can't really recommend the stick, either, but if you like the game, I guess it's worth getting. Fairly cheap as far as sticks go.

I think TvC is nice, I don't have the stick though, but SNK vs Capcom 2 is better... Like, a lot better...

[Arkhan Asylum]

playing fighters on Gamecube is kind of dumb

all 3D zeldas suck.

[Michirin9801]

playing fighters on Gamecube is kind of dumb

Which is why I play them on the Wii instead, with a much better controller...

[Arkhan Asylum]

I play them on the Playstation instead, with probably an even better controller, lol.

Cube had fighter sticks though so it's all really a moot point minus the shit tier fighting selection on the cube

[Michirin9801]

I play them on the Playstation instead, with probably an even better controller, lol.

Cube had fighter sticks though so it's all really a moot point minus the shit tier fighting selection on the cube

I don't know about that... I mean, I've only played like, 4 fighters on the cube, and the worst of them all was Soul Calibur 2, which is a pretty okay game... I think Bloody Roar Primal Fury might be the best, Either that or Capcom vs SNK 2, depends on my mood... Far from the best fighting selection in the world, but "s*** tier" is giving it way too little credit, even if all the other CGN fighters are rubbish, it still has 2 spectacular and 1 super-overrated but still pretty good fighters, and that should count for something...

[o.pwuaioc]

The only real problem with that is that it's not the ideal platform for those fighters.

Then again, I don't care for 3D fighters, so that only really leaves one good fighter, which is better elsewhere.

[Arkhan Asylum]

It's shit tier because the exclusives are whatever, and everything else is "why is this being played on a gamecube".

why do you bleep out the word shit.   just say shit. 

"I only played 4 fighters on the cube" is like saying "I have played every fighter on the cube", and is my point really.

It's shit tier in terms of selection.    It's like going to Dairy Queen and being told they only have peanut buster parfaits.

They don't suck, but you're probably going to pissed anyways because you wanted a banana split or a blizzard.

[blueraven]

We're talking about the Cube, right?

Yup. But I thought you were talking about the Wii for DVD load times and it appears that everyone is just going Nintendo fanboy at this point.

I never said it was a good DVD player. It literally cannot be a good DVD player because it takes 3" discs only, you fucking herb.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em. But seriously, I'm not a fucking idiot. I know this. Again, this was edited to reference the Wii because everyone is just gushing about a whole bunch of off-topic shit.

It's not just load times you have no reference point for, from what I can see. You really shouldn't make such declarative statements about things like consumer products you apparently have never touched. It's not like you said "I think it looks dumb"', it's that you specifically called out people who defended it as not knowing what they were taking about but in reality you don't even know it won't take 5" discs making it seem very unlikely that you've spent any decent time with one.

It's kinda funny, because I said earlier that I had basically given up on console gaming after the PS1. I stand by this statement with the exception of the PSP, and then I just stopped paying attention again. And other than Josh's video about the load times of the Neo-Geo CD I wouldn't have known that it can take up to 30min to load a fight scene.

SO, call me ignorant, call me whatever regarding my lack of knowledge regarding the Gamecube. That's fine. No, I never really touched one. I remember playing that farm Sim ONCE with my neighbors in like 2003.  The Wii on the other hand, I'm just tired of... as has been apparent through my consistantly bad attitude on this thread.

And regarding me giving people shit for playing the gamecube... Well, I think its fucking terrible. I'm glad you had a decent experience on it though.

[ClodBusted]

Lol at the cube controller d-pad discussions.

Back then, I got myself one of those Hori Digital controllers that are shaped like SNES controllers and had very nice d-pads.

Since then, I'm using it for Soul Calibur II, Resident Evil 0 - 2, and the GameBoy Player.

Also does a fine job on the Wii RVL-001, the one that still had GC pad and mem card sockets.

Those who complain over tiny d-pads, were have you been in 2003 and why haven't you ordered the Hori pad from Japan when it was still cheap as chips?




Loading times suck.
Unless you can play a round of Space Invaders or Galaga while waiting for Ridge Racer to load.
Also, loading times aren't a thing of the past, have a look on Forza 4, the GTA games and especially Skyrim on Xbox 360 to relieve the rose tinted memories of going to the fridge one more time.

[crazydean]

Looked up those Hori Pads on eBay. Damn, I missed the boat. $90+

I wouldn't mind a Hori N64 controller either but that's like $80+ too.

[ClodBusted]

What if I tell you the Hori pads had been under 30$ including customs duty and all from your friendly import game shop back then?

Also, don't be too sad about the Hori N64 Mini pads. I got two of them some years ago when they were already expensive, yet still affordable for playing purposes (not just collecting). So I can tell you the N64 Hori pad has a good stick, but that's all about it. The placement of the d-pad is crammed. And the four shoulder buttons have the pivot point around where your index finger tip usually rests, which makes you press them in an uncomfortable way - e.g. you wish a Yakuza would have shortened your index fingers by one bone each. Yes, this is the controller secretly developed for Yakuza who still wished to play N64 when the Dreamcast and PlayStation 2 were already released.
Also, you won't be able to count the many many times you will confuse L, R and the two Z shoulder buttons, making aiming and shooting in GoldenEye a pure joy to behold...
...not.

[crazydean]

What if I tell you the Hori pads had been under 30$ including customs duty and all from your friendly import game shop back then?

I was never into the import scene, so I don't even remember seeing any stores which carried imports. Also, the limited experience I have had with third-party controllers tells me that it's not worth taking a chance on.

[ClodBusted]

Well, yeah, the local stores in Berlin didn't carried imports as well back then. But there was already a well established network of national mailorder and web stores that carried the hottest shit from Japan. Often with a slight premium attached to it (since they had to pay rent for their warehouse to store their stock, as well as import duties). But in a time where Paypal wasn't the norm and only very few Japanese sellers existed on Ebay, this was where good deals on otherwise uncommon games and hardware to be had.

[Raizen1984]

We're talking about the Cube, right?

Yup. But I thought you were talking about the Wii for DVD load times and it appears that everyone is just going Nintendo fanboy at this point.

I never said it was a good DVD player. It literally cannot be a good DVD player because it takes 3" discs only, you fucking herb.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em. But seriously, I'm not a fucking idiot. I know this. Again, this was edited to reference the Wii because everyone is just gushing about a whole bunch of off-topic shit.

The Wii doesn't play DVDs either...

[o.pwuaioc]

The Wii doesn't play DVDs either...

It's an easy mod, though.

[Mas]

Does anyone have any suggestions on some good neo geo vc games I should download on the virtual console? I have 1800 points and I was thinking of kof 99 and last blade 2.
I own the metal slug Anthology , samurai showdown anthology, snk classics and I will get kof orchi saga soon.  So I'm looking for suggestions on games that I won't have on these collections.

[Michirin9801]

Definitely get Last Blade 2! I don't know if KoF'99 is included in the KoF Orichi saga, you should probably look it up, and if it isn't, you should probably get it as well, it's really good!
If it is, do you have Baseball Stars 2 yet? If not then try it out! It's like, probably the best Baseball game I've ever played (note: I haven't played many Baseball games, but almost every other one I've played was rubbish)

[Mas]

Baseball stars is on the snk collection. The kof orchi series doesn't have kof 99. so ill do those two

[Mas]

Just looked at ironclad Ill be buying that first. that game looks sick

[ClodBusted]

So I got myself Super Smash Bros., F-Zero X and Alien Crush for the PAL Wii Virtual Console.

While the two N64 titles look as blocky as I remember them, they play pretty well. Emulation-wise, good thing the screen resolution has been upped to 480p, so the trademark anti-aliasing blur of the N64 isn't as hard on the eyes as it was back then. The background music has the usual issues of emulated N64 games, with slight stuttering when loading the next menu screen, level or area. But nothing gamebreaking - I've seen N64 emulators on Windows PC doing much, much worse in terms of crippling the music and placing ugly seams on semi-transparent 2D objects. Try PC emulation of games like GoldenEye 007 to see and hear with your own eyes and ears what I'm talking about.

Both F-Zero and Super Smash Bros. are PAL versions, so they run slightly slower than their NTSC counterparts and have slight horizontal black screen borders. But since they are decently optimized for 50 Hz, the difference isn't as much noticeable as when talking about non-optimized games - they'd look, feel and sound horrible. E.G. take a look at videos of Sonic 1 (Mega Drive PAL) and Castlevania 1 (NES PAL) to see a PAL conversion gone awfully wrong, Nintendo didn't bother to fix this for the Virtual Console release.

Turbografx-16/PCE games are NTSC 60 Hz all the way even on the PAL Wii Virtual Console - NICE!

I didn't noticed any input lag whatsoever on all these and the other VC games I got so far. Which is quite remarkable, cause usually I'm quite allergic to even the smallest of lag. Good job on that.

Super Smash Bros. character models are quite low on the poly count, noticeably lower than you know them from their original games. E.g. compare Smash Bros.' Donkey Kong, Super Mario and Link to their counterparts of DK64, SM64 or OOT. Made my head scratch why Nintendo did this in 1999 and still does make me continue scratching it 18 years later.
Occasionally, the Wii VC version of Smash Bros. may crap out sound wise, producing funny noises for both music and sound effects. Playing against Master Hand or resetting the game usually fixed this for me.

Super Smash Bros. does play well with a GameCube controller, familiar button layout to Melee. You need to press down the analog shoulder buttons all the way to the "click" for blocking, though. F-Zero X is better played with a Classic Controller Pro, due to the digital shoulder buttons make destroying opponents easier, since you need to double-tap them for tackles and spin attacks.



Devil's Crush is just Devil's Crush. Pure awesomeness. I'm glad I tried it! Nice graphics, good music, great level design and the gameplay has stood the test of time very well. The emulation is quite good, apart from the usual graphics change regarding the pentagram. Being able to save the gamestate anytime and continue playing another day is what I find very convenient. I used a NES classic controller attached to the Wiimote for this game.


EDIT: Corrected typos and added some doodads.

[Michirin9801]

Super Smash Bros. character models are quite low on the poly count, noticeably lower than you know them from their original games. E.g. compare Smash Bros.' Donkey Kong, Super Mario and Link to their counterparts of DK64, SM64 or OOT. Made my head scratch why Nintendo did this in 1999 and still does make me continue scratching it 18 years later.

They did that so that the game could run smoother, higher-poly N64 games have a bit of a hard time keeping a good frame-rate, especially if you didn't have the expansion pak (or the game doesn't support it)

Is your Wii modded at all? If so, you should really try this N64 emulator called "Not64" if you haven't already, it's way better than the abandoned Wii64 project, I've been using it to play Banjo Kazooie for the first time, and I was surprised at how much I liked the game, as well as at how well it ran!
It's not perfect, the game can't render the backgrounds at the pause screens or whenever it's doing any screen-transitions, but it's pretty much on-point otherwise, and it doesn't get in the way of gameplay at all, and well, you won't get Banjo Kazooie (or any of the Rare games) on the Virtual Console for obvious reasons, so I'd say it's worth it for those!
But still, if you wanna play N64 on the Wii, get the games on Virtual Console if available, they're not gonna run better on this emulator than they will on the VC one...

[ClodBusted]

Yeah, I guess you're right. Back in the day when playing SSB with in four player mode, I noticed there was quite a slowdown on wider stages like Fox' stage. Still, I wonder how other N64 games managed to pull off having more than four mid-to-high poly count detailed characters on screen in a detailed level environment, without excessive slowdown. Smash Bros. stages with all the flat 2D sprite elements are sparse on detail as they are. And its blocky and pointy characters wouldn't look out of place in Quake 1. Donkey Kong's model has such sharp edges, he could double as a Shambler.

I played Banjo Kazooie/Tooie on N64, and later on the Xbox 360. That emulation turned out rather nice, highly recommended, and Rare even managed to retroactively squeeze in the Stop 'N' Swop feature for both games and Nuts and Bolts.

My Wii isn't modded. Yet.
I might change this once Nintendo eventually closes down the VC storefront for the Wii.


I guess the next VC games I'm going for will be Final Soldier and Wave Race 64.


Maximum Powerrr!!

[Michirin9801]

My Wii isn't modded. Yet.
I might change this once Nintendo eventually closes down the VC storefront for the Wii.

Honestly though, I'm surprised it's still open... Good on them for keeping it up!

[ClodBusted]

Yeah, I'm pretty glad, too.

Yesterday I downloaded Wave Race 64 and Yoshi's Story from the VC shop.

I already own Wave Race as a cartridge, but the thought of playing it in 480p over a component video signal and with a good controller in my hands won me over. Thank goodness the emulation is as perfect as it gets. All BGM and sounds are spot on. For an early N64 game, the graphics hold up surprisingly well. I usually play as Dave Mariner, with custom settings (first bar reduced, second and third increased), to make him steer well, have lots of top speed and ram opponents from their jet skis. Still plays as good as I remember it, and a Game Cube controller works best since all you need is the A-button and the control stick.

GOOD.

GOOD.

GOOD.

GOOD.

MAXIMUM POWER!!!

VROOOM!

I wonder if I'm still able to do the stunt mode challenge for Dolphin mode.

Yoshi's Story is new to me. I was surprised how good the 2D graphics look in 480p, since I was expecting a blurry mess from being bloated up from the original 240p or so. Nope, all fine, and there's no blurry filter, thanks. So music and graphics wise done well, gameplay wise this is a bit awkward, with needing a certain count of fruit to beat a level instead of walking through an exit. Yoshi controls slippery, especially when jumping and doing the double jump. Still playable, but I miss the times of pixel perfect jumping and momentum mechanics like in SMB1/3 and SMW1. This is best played with a GC controller, too.

[crazydean]

Yeah, I'm pretty glad, too.

Yesterday I downloaded Wave Race 64 and Yoshi's Story from the VC shop.

I already own Wave Race as a cartridge, but the thought of playing it in 480p over a component video signal and with a good controller in my hands won me over. Thank goodness the emulation is as perfect as it gets. All BGM and sounds are spot on. For an early N64 game, the graphics hold up surprisingly well. I usually play as Dave Mariner, with custom settings (first bar reduced, second and third increased), to make him steer well, have lots of top speed and ram opponents from their jet skis. Still plays as good as I remember it, and a Game Cube controller works best since all you need is the A-button and the control stick.
I wonder if I'm still able to do the stunt mode challenge for Dolphin mode.

Yoshi's Story is new to me. I was surprised how good the 2D graphics look in 480p, since I was expecting a blurry mess from being bloated up from the original 240p or so. Nope, all fine, and there's no blurry filter, thanks. So music and graphics wise done well, gameplay wise this is a bit awkward, with needing a certain count of fruit to beat a level instead of walking through an exit. Yoshi controls slippery, especially when jumping and doing the double jump. Still playable, but I miss the times of pixel perfect jumping and momentum mechanics like in SMB1/3 and SMW1. This is best played with a GC controller, too.

Yoshi's Story was definitely aimed at a younger audience. I've played a good deal of it, but it's not a great platformer.  It's no Super Mario 64. If you're looking for another contender from big N, try Yoshi's Island on SNES. It can at least hold its own as a Mario title.

Idk if it's on the VC, but have you tried Chameleon Twist for N64? It's short, but I found it quite engaging and fairly unique. I'd recommend it over Yoshi Story, at least.

The shift to 3D was necessary, but it's definitely harder to find good platformers on the N64 than SNES. The controls are never as tight as they were in the 8 and 16-bit eras.