I just "region modded" my N64, what games should I get?

[mitsuman]

I'm looking for games like Military Madness or Lords of the Rising Sun, but for the N64. Any suggestions?

[turboswimbz]

Something other than an N64


May I suggest a PCE DUO.





IF you want RTS there were 3 games on the N64

Command and Conquer and Star-craft.

Ogre Battle 64 - added in edit.  the more I think about the more I would classify this as an RPG with RTS elements

[SignOfZeta]

I did the same thing on my own path to learning that the N64 sucked back when it was all brand new. It increases the "good" game library by only a couple of games to be honest and really none of them are worth me even mentioning (except that one, you know).  N64 stinks.

[mitsuman]

Yeah, I'm finding the N64 to have a very lackluster library. But I got a good deal on this one, so I jumped on it.

And thanks for the game suggestions. I all ready had command and conquer on my list, but will add star-craft as well.


And I plan on getting yet ANOTHER PCE Duo soon.

[ClodBusted]

How do you mod the US N64 to play Japanese games? Is it just by removing some plastic tabs, similar to the SNES?

For PAL consoles, having a region mod may be worthwhile to play some of the older 1996-1997 era games at 60 Hz (e.g. Mario Kart 64). Not worth for the majority of Rareware games though, since they were running equal in PAL and NTSC regions right from the beginning.

[Arkhan Asylum]

How do you mod the US N64 to play Japanese games? Is it just by removing some plastic tabs, similar to the SNES?

slightly harder

You have to dremmel plastic square things that are too thick to bust out with pliers like the SNES

but other than that, its the same basic idea.

I was too lazy to do that and used one of those long lighters for grills and stuff, and melted the plastic and flattened it with a spoon.

Fuck the N64. BURN IT

[ClodBusted]

You should have used a hairdryer instead.

[Arkhan Asylum]

You should have used a hairdryer instead.

I said burn it, not Bernie it.

[nopepper]

The N64 seems to be the ultimate polarizing system. In general, millenials overrate it and the rest underrate it.

If you like racing games, Doom 64 and some quirky pickup and play games (like Blast Corps, Robotron, Mischief Makers), it's a nice system. During that period, I scoffed at the N64 (besides being amazed after seeing Mario 64 for the first time), but now I can appreciate its games from that generation, without having to endure horrendous load times of PSX and Saturn.

I don't think it's essential, but it's not complete shit, like the 3DO, Jaguar or CDi.

With that said, there is Ogre Battle 64, but I reckon you already knew about that one and are looking strictly for imports, of which I don't know of any in that genre. Generally speaking, I'm sure you were aware of Sin and Punishment, but Bangaioh is another one to put in your radar. I think it's better than the Dreamcast version, simply because it feels much more natural to control with the N64 pad.

[Arkhan Asylum]

In general, millenials overrate it and the rest underrate it.

The overrating is true, but there's no underrating.   The thing sucked, and still sucks. 

When you have to say things like "if you like racing/one FPS/some quirky games", it shows that it was a failure.

It's like the PC-FX.

"If you like dating sims, its great!"---> It was a failure.

I like the PCFX for it's charming nonsense, but it's a POS failure. 


Saturn/PSX load times aren't that bad though.   I'd take that over muddy ass textures and crappy games.

[mitsuman]

I'm sure you were aware of Sin and Punishment, but Bangaioh is another one to put in your radar. I think it's better than the Dreamcast version, simply because it feels much more natural to control with the N64 pad.

I was not aware of those games, so I'll add them to my list to check out as well.

And that is why I picked up the N64. For $50, I got a working system, with all hookups, 3 controllers, 12 games and an official N64 game cartridge holder. Not a bad price.
I also have goldeneye and Mario Kart. I like just being able to play a game for a bit, then walk away. I also own a PS4, and even on there, I really only get games that I can just play for a bit and then walk away (like Doom and MKXL). I have Elder Scrolls and Gran Turismo to play if I want to immerse myself in a game.

But I am not looking for something like that on the N64. Sure, I'd like to play a campaign, real time type strategy game, but they are so convoluted and involved that it would take me an entire afternoon just to get started.

And of course, nostalgia plays a small role in me buying it.

[nopepper]

The overrating is true, but there's no underrating.   The thing sucked, and still sucks. 

When you have to say things like "if you like racing/one FPS/some quirky games", it shows that it was a failure.

It's like the PC-FX.

"If you like dating sims, its great!"---> It was a failure.

I like the PCFX for it's charming nonsense, but it's a POS failure. 


Saturn/PSX load times aren't that bad though.   I'd take that over muddy ass textures and crappy games.

By your definition of failure, then I guess it was a failure. But then, I would say the same thing about the PCE if recommending to a friend - "if you like shooters, then get it NOW!". But to me, a failed system is one that does not have at least a handful of games worth your time, taking into account the price of entry. You can buy a N64 and a stash of good fun games for peanuts, and have a good time. Regardless of what you think of the hardware itself, it does have fun games.

To each their own, but I don't think it sucks at all. I think that for the price, it is absolutely worth having, if you have the space and time to devote to it.

[PukeSter]

The N64 seems to be the ultimate polarizing system. In general, millenials overrate it and the rest underrate it.

If you like racing games, Doom 64 and some quirky pickup and play games (like Blast Corps, Robotron, Mischief Makers), it's a nice system. During that period, I scoffed at the N64 (besides being amazed after seeing Mario 64 for the first time), but now I can appreciate its games from that generation, without having to endure horrendous load times of PSX and Saturn.

I don't think it's essential, but it's not complete shit, like the 3DO, Jaguar or CDi.

With that said, there is Ogre Battle 64, but I reckon you already knew about that one and are looking strictly for imports, of which I don't know of any in that genre. Generally speaking, I'm sure you were aware of Sin and Punishment, but Bangaioh is another one to put in your radar. I think it's better than the Dreamcast version, simply because it feels much more natural to control with the N64 pad.

nopepper has the right idea. N64 isn't a perfect system but it's got some fun games, some of which are still cream of the crop in their genres. It probably has about 50-60 solid games worth owning. 

OP if you want arcadey type games, selection is a bit limited but anything by Midway is fair game. There's of course a large amount of racing games on the system, such as the Rush series, Ridge Racer 64, F-Zero, and 1080 Snowboarding

Turok 3 is also a relatively unknown yet classic fps that I'm surprised still doesn't have a pc port yet.

Could also get the tony hawk games, which have better graphics if you don't mind the butchered soundtracks. Tony hawk 3 is fun to own for shits and giggles, as it was the last n64 game ever made yet is pretty cheap ($20 for a boxed copy).

If you want to region mod, you can play some of these games. I'm not sure if english language repros require a region mod of if they have US cart shape.

Animal Crossing
Bangai-O
Sin and Punishment (pretty fucking outstanding)
Shiren the Wanderer 2
Puyo Puyo Sun
Custom Robo 1 and 2
AKI Japanese pro wrestling games (these have a really niche following)
Dezaemon
Evangelion (if you like the show)

64DD is a shitheap. Don't bother.

[crazydean]

It seems that this conversation comes up pretty often. PSX load times were shit. Also, when handled well, like Super Mario 64, the graphics could look nice. At least it didn't have that weird, jumping graphix BS that the PSX had. Like how a wall would suddenly change shapes as you got closer to it.

The library was surprisingly lacking in many genres, though. But, there were some good exclusives like Conker's Bad Fur Day and Pokemon Snap that are must-plays.

[nopepper]

I have no nostalgia for this system, as I was strictly a PSX guy when I was in college. The N64 came out when I was about to graduate, so I never really got into it during those years where I had the most time to play games (especially multiplayer). I later played some Goldeneye multiplayer, and it was definitely fun, but the frame rate is pretty harsh by today's standards.

I was given the system back in 99 by a friend who was going to toss it, and I have neglected it since until about 2 years ago, when I realized there were some decent games you could get for 5-10 bucks loose. So I was like "hey, lets try it!" and I've been pleasantly surprised. The lack of load times in 3D games seems surreal.

Off the top of my head, here are some fun games that wont break the bank and are worth my time:
-Wipeout 64
-Doom 64
-Paper Mario
-Mario 64
-Star Soldier
-Robotron 64
-Waverace (!!!)
-Blast Corps
-Mario Golf
-Fzero x
-Ogre Battle 64
-Excitebike 64
-Starfox

If you have cash to blow
-Sin and Punishment
-Bangaio

With that said, the PSX and Saturn are much better systems, even with their own shortcomings. The PSX has a much larger selection of great games, and the Saturn has one of the best shooter libraries ever. I can understand somebody rating the N64 over the Saturn, if they are not into shooters or fighters, but not the PSX.

[PukeSter]

Have forgot one thing...

Region modding is a way to get past increasing game prices, similar to what some people do with the snes.

Mario 64 is a $30 game cart only, but the japanese version can be had for $5. Few people have caught on to this although I do see plenty of japanese smash bros carts for sale lately.

[CrackTiger]

Ogre Battle 64 is the closest thing you'll find to Lords of the Rising Sun.

Anyone going to spens serious time pkaying N64 games should first get an Everdrive 64 and get all of the no-filter hack patches. It makes many games playable and you can try out different versions of games before blindly buying anything and there are a lot of cool hacks/custom games out there.

[Gredler]

Ogre Battle 64 is the closest thing you'll find to Lords of the Rising Sun.

Anyone going to spens serious time pkaying N64 games should first get an Everdrive 64 and get all of the no-filter hack patches. It makes many games playable and you can try out different versions of games before blindly buying anything and there are a lot of cool hacks/custom games out there.

+1 for Ogre Battle fitting your criteria, not sure if much else will.

[SignOfZeta]

The N64 sucked because it was supposed to be a sequel to the SFC. Instead it ended up being a completely different thing. If you were too young to have a SFC naturally you wouldn't care about this. You'd just buy your annual driving game or Nintendo title and be happy. If you like the same game everyone else has and that game involves Zelda or looking like Cruisin' then you're good on N64. Otherwise jump in a fucking lake.

A system with no RPGs or fighters during a time period when we were FLOODED with AMAZING 
examples of them on the other systems is just weird...weird fucked and not as fun as a PS/SS.

[Arkhan Asylum]

N64 failed to push the 3D envelope as hard as people seem to think it did, and failed to capture what games were expected to be there at the time.

The 3D experience N64 provided basically sucked.

Mario 64 is like the only great one, and it isn't even that great.   The rest are mediocre.

I liked Chameleon Twist a bit, but it basically sucks too.  Every 3D game on N64 had a better equivalent on PS1.

Anyone who thinks N64 had a great FPS library has never touched a computer, and has never played the PS1 FPS games.   

Quake II on N64 had a lame soundtrack.  PS1 Quake II peed all over it.

Doom 64 was alright, but Final Doom on PS1?   Way better.    and you didn't have to fuck off with that N64 controller.

It had Hexen, Descent, Disruptor, JUMPING FLASH COUNTS TOO.   

PSX had a much better variety of FPS games that all played better.   It's only downside was the lack of 4 player multiplayer.

Everyone's memories of Goldeneye are always "me and my 3 friends at a sleepover on a 13" TV"

its never "man that single player Goldeneye was awesome"

They're talking about how much fun they had fucking off with paintball mode, donkey kong big headed stupid shit while planning what they were going to do to that friend who wouldn't stop being cheap with Oddjob after he goes to sleep.

"Matts an asshole wait til he goes to sleep"

and then he wakes up with dicks drawn all over his face with sharpee.

That's Goldeneye. 



People who really love the N64 had to have basically grew up with it in the same way that some of us grew up on an SNES or NES.    They don't know what they missed out on.  Ignorance is bliss, I guess.




lol, I had this one friend that was an N64 fanboy through and through.  He didn't get/touch a Playstation until ~2006.

So he didn't play PS1 for what, a decade after launch?   He outright REFUSED to touch it. 

After he got a PS1 and some games, I literally did not see or hear from him for a month.   He binged on PS1.   When I finally heard from him the first thing he says is "holyfuck I was wrong."

the dude tried to make up for 10 years of lost time in the course of a month and basically PS1'd himself stupid.

now, he only likes N64 for Jet Force Gemini, and the wrestling games.

[Gypsy]

I played a bit of Goldeneye and a shit ton of Perfect Dark but yeah I would completely agree with "Anyone who thinks N64 had a great FPS library has never touched a computer".

[nopepper]

No doubt, putting ourselves at that point in time when the N64 was released, it was not worth purchasing as your main system. But looking at it today, it is actually a good system to have in your collection.

For example, say you want to play a quick game of Road Rash or Robotron while the wife/GF dries her hair before going out to dinner...well, you could wait a minute for the PS2 (its what I use for PS1 games) splash screen, the 20 in game splash screens and logos, then wait for the level/course to load up. Or, just pop in a cartridge and almost instantly you are there, in quite frankly better versions of those games than their PSX counterparts (Road Rash is debatable). In some cases, even if the PSX version is better, I opt for instant gratification if I feel the urge to play 3D games from that era (for whatever insane reason).

I think a lot of us judge the N64 as if we were still back in the 90s, instead of looking at it for what it is. Not an essential system, but for the price, a good one for some fun games from that era.

Also, Waverace 64 is worth the price of admission (of say, $25 for the system and $5 for the game). That game is brilliant, blurry graphics and all.

[SignOfZeta]

Wave Race 64 is amazing. However the Cube version is even better. Even if I still had 64 I'd never play it.

[Gypsy]

Wave Race 64 is amazing. However the Cube version is even better. Even if I still had 64 I'd never play it.

I actually just got this recently and yeah it's pretty sweet.

[nopepper]

Wave Race 64 is amazing. However the Cube version is even better. Even if I still had 64 I'd never play it.

You know, I've let other people's opinions keep me away from Blue Storm, although I've always though it looked great. Seems like the majority seems to like the 64 version better, but given that this game can be had for cheap, I will probably give it a shot at some point. (Not anytime soon, as although I've had the 64 version since 99, only recently did it finally clicked with me, after one of those aforementioned "waiting on woman" sessions. Once I got the feel for the game, beating it was a sublime experience.)

[SignOfZeta]

People like the 64 version more because they like the 64 more. As a huge fan of the original I can't think of any other reason. The Cube one has no fog and in progressive scan you can see for miles.

The 64 one is like a trip to Hawaii...where it rained the entire time. The Cube one removes the rain.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I find it funny that the N64 is only "OK" years later after it has become cheap and you just grab throwaway games for it and go "this is OK I guess"

Mischief Makers is the only thing I really feel the need to play ever.

and that could've been an SNES game basically.

I don't get why it was even on N64.  It feels like a PSX game.

[SignOfZeta]

I never did beat Wonder Project J2. I should just go watch some 12 year old super play it.

[Arkhan Asylum]

speaking of superplay, I made this observation years ago that people who excel at N64 controllers basically suck at any other controller.

I watch these Smash Bros. Savants fucking suck at basic use of a dual shock controller, and it cracks me up.

They must have brain damage that only allows them to comprehend the N64.

[SignOfZeta]

I once got completely owned in MvC2 by a guy who's weapon of choice was the standard Dreamcast pad.

Yeah, no kidding. I don't even...

[Arkhan Asylum]

I once got completely owned in MvC2 by a guy who's weapon of choice was the standard Dreamcast pad.

Yeah, no kidding. I don't even...

The standard dreamcast pad's D-Pad is so weird.

For awhile I was super-good at using it but going back to it I am like "why is this thing so floaty"

[ClodBusted]

I got the N64 in 97 after I had already experienced previous Nintendo systems as well as Sega's Game Gear and Mega Drive, and a PC. I had fun with it.
Regarding polys, even as a child I knew in my mind that 3D graphics shouldn't be looking that blocky as they did in that era. Also, the frame rate of most N64 games was lacking, but if you owned a PC at the time you were used to seeing crap frame rates if you tried newer 3D games that came out the next day after you bought your PC. The PC technology aged so fast once you got the machine home and set it up, it was only worth half what you paid for it.
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Wave Race 64 is amazing. However the Cube version is even better.

No. Just no.

[Arkhan Asylum]

They had a commercial like that with the dated PCs actually.

Dude gets a new PC, drives by a billboard on the way home and sees the next model is for sale and hes like WTF.


N64's framerate on so many games was just shit, and the games themselves didn't make up for it.

Honestly, nothing on N64 comes close to the enjoyment I had from Metal Gear Solid or Tenchu

It's just not there.   

[ClodBusted]

I don't see many reasons to buy N64 cartridges today.

The popular games have been emulated rather well on the Wii Virtual Console, with clean 480p resolution and a somewhat steady framerate. The controls are mostly ported to the Wii Classic Controller/Pro and GameCube controller rather well, the few games that benefit from a real Nintendo 64 controller are F-Zero X and Mario Kart 64 (A-B button layout and digital shoulder buttons). And for this case, there are adaptors available that hook up either to the GameCube controller ports or Wiimote ports by Raphnet. However, the original N64 analog stick durability has the same reputation as the power glove... it's so bad. Good thing there are ways to get around this, I've already mentioned them in the other N64 threads on PCEFX. Of course, there are still some BGM issues in scene transitions during loading, and neither rumble pak nor controller pak support, but it's easy to get over them.

Then, there are the ports of popular Rareware games on Xbox (Conker), Xbox 360 (Perfect Dark, the Banjo games) as well as the Rare Replay compilation on Xbox One. Some of them are completely redone graphically, while others feature just minor graphical improvements.

Then, there are other N64 ports on the GameCube, like Doshin and Animal Crossing, as well as the Zelda games, also in 480i (maybe 480p?). There's even rumble pak support, wrrryyyyyy!

EDIT: Turok 1 and 2 have been ported to PC twice, the second time they got updated to work with modern PCs. Available on GoG and Steam.

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron was also ported to PC back in the day and is available on GoG and Steam.

2D Puzzle games (Puyo Puyo Sun, Taisen Puzzle Dama, etc.) are available for PS1 for the most part and look better on Sony's console thanks to the lack of wishi-washy-filtering.



EDIT2: Regarding GoldenEye, I was more focused beating the singleplayer mode on 00 agent difficuilty. I also played with friends, but soon enough they wouldn't want to play with somebody that manages to beat them every so often. Pussies. I didn't even know about Oddjobb, and I despised Slapper's Only. Who fucking cares, since Oddjobb is so small I think it is even more easy to pull off headshots on that little bastard. Hell, who knows why people today talking about Oddjobb and Slapper's Only as if these were the only two things worthwile to remember about GE007.
Also the same goes for Mario Kart 64, don't blame me if I rip your ass in battle mode Block Fort stage if you decide to stay on the lower lanes and get shot by shells instead of moving up to the top platforms. Again, pussies.

[SignOfZeta]

I played Goldeneye for about a half hour. I couldn't see anything. It sucked.

I have to say, I loathe FPS so that's a factor. I wasn't playing them on my computer so I didn't need shittier versions that cost more.

Also, I saw the movie Goldeneye in the theater and hated it, that may also have been a factor.

[nopepper]

N64's framerate on so many games was just shit, and the games themselves didn't make up for it.

Honestly, nothing on N64 comes close to the enjoyment I had from Metal Gear Solid or Tenchu

It's just not there.

So you honestly don't feel games like Mario, FZero, Waverace, Starfox, heck, even stuff like Wipeout, make up for frame rate issues?!? I think those (and the ones I've mentioned before) are still excellent, fun, well designed games, even with the shortcomings of the hardware. Kinda like how I feel about Atlantean; another game with frame rate issues (might not be the technical term), but well designed and fun. ;)

If we are going to compare PSX's library to N64, then of course the N64 will look like shit. But the same can be said of the Saturn. That doesn't mean the Saturn sucks. Or the N64.

And I'd rather play the real hardware rather than emulate, warts and all. If we were talking about N64 carts costing as much as Turbo, then it would not make any sense grabbing them. But given that the majority can be had for less than 20-30 bucks, if you prefer to play in real hardware, you might as well go for it.

Like I said before, to each their own. It just always seems that when it comes to talking about 16-bit and PSX/N64 eras, the 15 year old in the majority of us comes out in these debates.

[CrackTiger]

The N64 library's much narrower variety is comprised mostly of the kinds of games in which framerates have a much larger impact. Games like Riglord Sagas, Daisenryakus, Megami Tenseis, Final Fantasys, etc literally din't have their gameplay affected by lower framerates. Unlike all of those N64'ified/cart compromised versions of traditional games and genres, where everything they can get away with and too much they didn't was forced to be realtime 3D and the rest are pretty much all reliant on realtime 3D gameplay.

Framerate issues also have a much bigger impact and are much more noticeable when they're rendering visuals with minimal detail and variety, which is then distorted with several layers of filtering and reduced draw distance due to fog. It's bad enough when you're struggling to discern what onscreen is shooting at you. Anything less than a smooth framerate just kills it altogether.

[crazydean]

As much as I enjoy the N64, I don't see how anyone could find Goldeneye to be good in 2017. In fact, every FPS on the system gives me a headache after about 10 minutes of playing.

FPS, like sports games, just don't age well. Unless the developer shits the bed, newer is better in these genres.

[PukeSter]

Then, there are other N64 ports on the GameCube, like Doshin and Animal Crossing, as well as the Zelda games, also in 480i (maybe 480p?). There's even rumble pak support, wrrryyyyyy!

Majora's Mask unfortunately has a major freezing glitch on the gamecube. Framerate is also somehow even lower.

It's pretty interesting that people have extracted the Master Quest rom and put it on cartridges though.

[Bloufo]

If, for whatever reason, you're going to be maybe showing off or introducing some of your older/vintage systems and games to someone with little or no experience in the hobby, don't pick the N64.

[ClodBusted]

Good thing I didn't encounter that MM glitch. What does it exactly do and how does it appear?
Regarding the framerate, MM on GameCube runs at 60Hz exclusively even in PAL regions, so that's a plus for me who had to the PAL N64 cartridge before.

[nopepper]

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Wave Race 64 is amazing. However the Cube version is even better.

No. Just no.

Why not?

[nopepper]

The N64 library's much narrower variety is comprised mostly of the kinds of games in which framerates have a much larger impact. Games like Riglord Sagas, Daisenryakus, Megami Tenseis, Final Fantasys, etc literally din't have their gameplay affected by lower framerates. Unlike all of those N64'ified/cart compromised versions of traditional games and genres, where everything they can get away with and too much they didn't was forced to be realtime 3D and the rest are pretty much all reliant on realtime 3D gameplay.

Framerate issues also have a much bigger impact and are much more noticeable when they're rendering visuals with minimal detail and variety, which is then distorted with several layers of filtering and reduced draw distance due to fog. It's bad enough when you're struggling to discern what onscreen is shooting at you. Anything less than a smooth framerate just kills it altogether.

Maybe, but none of the games I like in the system, sans Starfox, really suffer from choppy frame rates, or at least enough to distract against gameplay (such as Waverace). The only FPS that I find playable, and it's pretty great, is Doom 64. I thought the Turoks were sloppy even when they were new, and Goldeneye/PD are unplayable today (unless you are a millenial).

[nopepper]

If, for whatever reason, you're going to be maybe showing off or introducing some of your older/vintage systems and games to someone with little or no experience in the hobby, don't pick the N64.

Haha, as much as I'm defending the N64, it is all relative and I have to agree with you on this (although I wouldn't pick any post 16-bit systems to begin with, as I consider 32 bit the advent of modern gaming).

I'm defending it because it is so often called "shit", when it's really not that bad. I would understand you holding resentment if you got one when it was new and it disappointed with its blurry visuals and limited library when compared to it's main rival. Or you had obnoxious friends that defended it because they were Nintendo acolytes or didn't know any better. But that should no longer be valid to grown ass men looking at vintage, classic, retro or whatever the fuck you want to call them systems.

[Arkhan Asylum]

So you honestly don't feel games like Mario, FZero, Waverace, Starfox, heck, even stuff like Wipeout, make up for frame rate issues?!? I think those (and the ones I've mentioned before) are still excellent, fun, well designed games, even with the shortcomings of the hardware. Kinda like how I feel about Atlantean; another game with frame rate issues (might not be the technical term), but well designed and fun. ;)

I don't like Mario64 at all.  It doesn't let me play Mario how I want to, which is running the entire time without stopping basically.   

Starfox 64 is too easy and was a giant disappointment.

A few racing games doesn't make up for a goony console when there's also no other options.

As for Atlantean, well, it was made by one person in a basement over the course of ...3(?) years in spare time, for fun.   Using the term loosely there because it often wasn't exactly fun to work on when you consider the amount of freetime I spent doing it instead of playing my own backlog of stuff for enjoyment, or doing other things.

I don't even see the point of using it in this comparison since the PCE isn't a lackluster machine that had an onslaught of mediocrity, lol.

If I was getting paid hourly to make Atlantean, and was working at an actual software company on it with an entire team, it would've turned out way better.   I tried sorting out framerate issues but gave up when I realized some commercial games like LDis and crap have some slowdown.  I just said screw it.

If we are going to compare PSX's library to N64, then of course the N64 will look like shit. But the same can be said of the Saturn. That doesn't mean the Saturn sucks. Or the N64.

The Saturn's JP library is amazing.  The N64s is more of the same garbage.  So, you can't say the same about the Saturn...

Like I said before, to each their own. It just always seems that when it comes to talking about 16-bit and PSX/N64 eras, the 15 year old in the majority of us comes out in these debates.

Its not the 15 year old in us.  It's the common sense in us.   It's a piece of crap.   When you can only excuse it because it's cheap and has a few racing games that make you feel good, it's even more apparent that it's basically a piece of crap.

[nopepper]

Dude, I was complimenting Atlantean. The point of bringing it up was not to compare systems, but to focus on the fact that a game might have some technical flaws (either due to system limitations, 1 man development teams, etc.) but still be fun to play.

The Saturn JP library is amazing, if you like shooters and fighters, and/or are fluent in japanese. And even with those items checked, the library does not have the breadth of the PSX.

In any case, you don't like the N64, cool. I think you are underrating it. To each their own.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Dude, I was complimenting Atlantean. The point of bringing it up was not to compare systems, but to focus on the fact that a game might have some technical flaws (either due to system limitations, 1 man development teams, etc.) but still be fun to play.

The Saturn JP library is amazing, if you like shooters and fighters, and/or are fluent in japanese. And even with those items checked, the library does not have the breadth of the PSX.

In any case, you don't like the N64, cool. I think you are underrating it. To each their own.

Yeah I get the Atlantean complement, I just don't see the point of bringing it up for this lol.   I guess mostly because comparing a goony game I made to stuff made by pros back in the day just seems weird in general to me.

N64 might have had a better time if they allowed some 2D stuff to exist instead of just being hardcore 3D pushing idiots with everything.

[NecroPhile]

Nobody is allowed to enjoy anything on the N64.  Arkhan hath spoken. 

[Arkhan Asylum]

Nobody is allowed to enjoy anything on the N64.  Arkhan hath spoken. 

That's ...not what I, or Zeta, or anyone else of the same sentiment has actually said.

People can enjoy their Nintendo's Version of the SuperGrafx or PCFX all they want.  It doesn't mean it's a great machine with a powerhouse library lol.

Everyone's basically confirmed that it has about 10 games tops that are fun and it's only good because it's all so cheap now.

[NecroPhile]

That's ...not what I, or Zeta, or anyone else of the same sentiment has actually said.

When you respond over and over again with "It sucks!", that is what you're saying.

People can enjoy their Nintendo's Version of the SuperGrafx or PCFX all they want.  It doesn't mean it's a great machine with a powerhouse library lol.

Good thing nobody is trying to say that then.