She's joined us in the outside world

[OldRover]

Yes, that's right...Luna Abelia Perry Zayas, our second daughter, has finally been born. 6:08PM AST, just under 2 hours ago. She was born right here at home...no doctors, no drugs, nothing but my wife and I. No pics just yet, maybe later on...haven't even brought out the camera yet. She's nursing right now, and wifey's a bloody mess until she stops nursing.

[Windancer]

Alright! I hope you she has a healthy Happy life Old rover! have some fun with those kids!   

[jboypacman]

Congrats Rover i hope all is well and i wish you and your family only the best my friend.

[MissaFX]

Congratz!  May she be a quiet baby

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[guyjin]

Has she held a Turbo controller yet? 

but srsly, congrats

[Keranu]

Congratulations again!

I love the fact that she was born at home the natural way. My two younger brothers were born at home, but had doctor assistance.

[CrackTiger]

Congratulations! I'm glad everything went well under the circumstances (naturally).

[Turbo D]

  Congratulations Nod! It truly is a joyous occasion 

[nectarsis]

SWEET Rover    Another Rovette joins the clan. 

[Ceti Alpha]

Congratulations Rove!!!  \

I'll have to buy a cigar and smoke it in her honour.

[Tatsujin]

BIG Gongrats dude,  as well to your Missus

wish you guys all the best and health^^

[TR0N]

Congrats rover 

[ParanoiaDragon]

Congrats rover 

I took a double take on this, thought it said Conrats lover

Anyways, congrats Nod!

[Sparky]

ya, congrats Rov and the wifey!!! and look at you guys going freestyle on the delivery!!! WOW, thats all i gots to say!!!, really happy for ya Rov-man.

[termis]

congrats rover. 

[TurboXray]

Now you need some TG16 one piece jammies! Congrats on your new baby girl

[Digi.k]

oo Grats on the new baby girl ^__^/

[Keranu]

Congratulations Rove!!!  \

I'll have to buy a cigar and smoke it in her honour.

I actually did smoke a cigar (Partagas, it was meh) today, but I forgot about the baby!

[esteban]

Yay!

Congratulations, dude.

[Ceti Alpha]

Now you need some TG16 one piece jammies! Congrats on your new baby girl

Haha! I'd love a pair of those!! 

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Congratulations to you and your better half on the new wee one.

[OldRover]

Update:
Some motherfucker called 911, claiming a "domestic dispute". We were then essentially ripped out of our home and forced into the hospital, where they did all kinds of things against our wishes, such as shooting our little girl up with antibiotics. Social services got involved, and now our little girl is stuck in the hospital for five days while those fat, slow asshats at social services get off their fat asses and clear the case. They claimed it was an "unusual case"...yeah, BULLSHIT.

Someone just got their panties in a bunch because we birthed without the "help" of the hospital, so now they're going to try to get their money's worth at our daughter's expense. The pediatrician on staff at the time refused to allow my wife to breastfeed our daughter, so my wife went to the supervisor and got that crap straightened out REAL quick. Fortunately, virtually all of the nurses at the hospital are on our side, and since we know our rights and are far more educated that everyone else who passes through that death trap they call a hospital, they're not going to mess with us. The sucky part though is that because social services is involved, we can't remove our daughter from the hospital just yet. We CAN, but it will result in "medical insubordination", and we know damn well that social services will make up a completely bullshit story and try to take our daughter away from us.

So we're doing our best to minimize the damage, but we know that our daughter will never be the same as she was supposed to be thanks to the fucking antibiotics. They even wanted to vaccinate her...WHAT THE FUCK, YOU DON'T VACCINATE A NEWBORN LESS THAN FOUR HOURS OLD! Do these fucking idiots even know how vaccines work?! Obviously not! And they obviously don't know jack shit about breastfeeding, or else they'd know to NOT give the baby antibiotics. They claim that births outside of the hospital are "unsterile" births...umm hello dumb shit, NO birth is sterile, and should never BE sterile! Part of the birthing process is to pass along bacteria to the baby so the gut can be filled with bacteria properly...antibiotics kill all of these bacteria, making the baby's digestive system very weak...oh yes that's right, perfect for forcing high-grade, VERY EXPENSIVE baby formula into the child. Well fuck if I'm gonna let them do that.

[nectarsis]

 
Holy shit man.  WTF is going on down there.  Find who made the "call", and let em visit the hospital if they're so gung ho on people using it    Very sorry to hear about the BS that came your way, and hope it all workss out as fast as humanly possible. 

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Those worthless cocksuckers did a great job of turning what should be a joyous occasion into a giant pain in your collective asses.  Good luck straightening out the bullshit.

One word for social services and the hospital ass clowns - "SUE"
Two words for the douche bucket that made the call - "FUCK YOU"

[VestCunt]

Rover,
I'm really sorry to hear the update.
I was born at home with a midwife, breastfed, and never vaccinated.  As I've grown older and done my own research I've always been thankful for my parents' decisions and their conviction to stand up to the doctors at the time.  Your daughter will be too.
Good luck against the assholes.

[Turbo D]

Sorry to hear about that man, its a bit depressing. I wouldn't want my newborn given a bunch of antibiotics either.

[Ceti Alpha]

Oh man. I'm really sorry to hear about this Rove. I hope this shit gets straightened out soon for you guys. Another testament as to how stupid people are.

[OldRover]

UPDATE:
Just got back from the hospital, went in to see my daughter in the incubator wired up to a bunch of bullshit machines. Completely stupid, considering she was 40 weeks 5 days...there's absolutely no need for an incubator. Couldn't stay long...every passing minute looking at my daughter in that stupid box pissed me off more and more.

Okay, some details...about two hours after admission, Luna vomited something that looked like coffee grounds. The person who was on the case at the time told us that it was meconium in the stomach. I found this a little strange, but didn't think much of it, considering there was meconium discharge on delivery...though it was directly after Luna was completely out. Because of this "diagnosis", the antibiotics were administered. This morning, I did a little research. It seems that the body will automatically expel meconium if it is in the stomach, so the antibiotics weren't even necessary. So, after I came back from the hospital this morning, I did a little more research.

We've been fooled. The coffee grounds like substance is NOT meconium, it's blood...caused by a condition called gastric erosion. So, what's this? It's where the lining of the stomach becomes irritated and blood mixes with whatever fluid is in the stomach. It can be caused by iron deficiency...ok, problem here. One, if this was the case, she would have vomited it upon delivery. Secondly, both wifey's and Luna's iron levels were high. This is ruled out. Okay, next cause...alcohol. Nope, neither my wife nor my one-day-old girl drink. Ruled out with ease. Smoking? No again. Okay, what else? Medications. Aha. When she was brought in, they were quick to shove an IV into her. Saline, dextrose, you know...the standard stuff. But wait a second...dextrose drip bags are a very standard thing...so why did this one have a hand-written label stuck to it that said "dextrose"? Uh oh...drug cocktail. Shortly after this, the coffee grounds came up. Bingo, we've got a winner, folks.

Now, let's consider the meconium issue. Yes, there was meconium with the birth...however, it came out after the baby was delivered. That means that it was not in utero but was expelled during delivery...while the baby came down the birth canal. Now, in utero meconium is caused by a baby in distress. But in this case, it was caused by pressure during delivery due to a birth canal that's not completely wide enough to handle the baby smoothly. So, MAS was ruled out with ease, as was the possibility of meconium in the stomach. Oops...busted.

One final issue that was only mentioned in passing. One of the nurses noted what she called an "abscess" on Luna's inner mouth. Haven't heard anything about this since that, but we believe it was passed down from the idiotic pediatrician who wasn't going to allow Luna to be breastfed. Does this abscess exist? Probably not...I haven't seen it, and wifey hasn't said anything about it...Luna is breastfeeding strongly so the chance of this abscess actually existing is nil.

Three strikes, you're out. Expect major legal action and media coverage.

Oh by the way, got the stats...8 pounds 3 ounces, 22 inches long. Yes, I delivered a perfectly healthy 8+ pound baby without any experience. Suck on THAT, hospital fuckers.

[Ceti Alpha]

Stick it to them Rove. 

But, congratulations again on serving up a healthy baby naturally. 

[Joe Redifer]

Yes, I was going to recommend contacting the media.  Please post any links to your TV station's websites or newspapers should they cover this.

[Keranu]

Amazing how people believe the natural way of doing things is wrong.

They even wanted to vaccinate her...WHAT THE FUCK, YOU DON'T VACCINATE A NEWBORN LESS THAN FOUR HOURS OLD!

Jeez, don't people normally vaccinate babies when they are around 4 months old? Regardless, I don't think anyone should be vaccinated period, much so a baby.

[Joe Redifer]

A baby's immune system needs time to develop before those kinds of things are generally applied.  You've got to give medical science some credit, though.  Many vaccines are good and do work.  Granted, the newborn baby probably doesn't need a vaccine for cervical cancer just yet.  Some people are paranoid and think that the government injects robotic mechanisms to control you when they decide to take over.

That being said, I NEVER get Flu shots and I never get the Flu.

[Ceti Alpha]

Some people are paranoid and think that the government injects robotic mechanisms to control you when they decide to take over.

...I can't believe that...I mean it can't be true...could it? 

[nectarsis]

No your safe up there ceti.  All the nanomachines in Canada use the metric system, and are therefore inferior, and self destruct. ;)

[OldRover]

They will NEVER come near either of my daughters with a shot of Gardasil. I know way too much about the scam that is Gardasil. It must be nice to have enough money to create a product and then create a scare to sell it. But then again, Merck has been doing that for decades.

Got another update from the wife tonight. Apparently, the long hospital stay is due to a blood culture test...it takes 3 days to complete and they won't release her until the results are conclusive. Of course, they're going to find out what we already know...our baby girl is in perfect health. All conclusive tests thus far have checked out 100%. This is a waste of our time and their time.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Good grief, what a world we live in

[Joe Redifer]

Interesting

[Windancer]

OMG Old Rover! Have you thought about getting a lawyer on this situation? Holy Cow! Whats this world comming too. Are the police that came to your house Fraggin idiots! Im mad for you bro. My god! My son had to be delivered emergency C-section cause he tried to come 2 months early. They gave my wife a shot called Tributiline I swear to god if I would have known the side effects of that shot I would told them to screw off! One of the side effects is autism. Well guess what my son was diagnosed with mild autism and asbergers when he was young and had alot of issues. He has grown into a fine young man though! But I will tell you I would have never agreed to that shot had I known! I hope you can do something about this. I am so mad right now! God I hope the best for you Old Rover! Dont trust those bastards! They are in it for the stinkin money!

Update:
Some motherfucker called 911, claiming a "domestic dispute". We were then essentially ripped out of our home and forced into the hospital, where they did all kinds of things against our wishes, such as shooting our little girl up with antibiotics. Social services got involved, and now our little girl is stuck in the hospital for five days while those fat, slow asshats at social services get off their fat asses and clear the case. They claimed it was an "unusual case"...yeah, BULLSHIT. Someone just got their panties in a bunch because we birthed without the "help" of the hospital, so now they're going to try to get their money's worth at our daughter's expense. The pediatrician on staff at the time refused to allow my wife to breastfeed our daughter, so my wife went to the supervisor and got that crap straightened out REAL quick. Fortunately, virtually all of the nurses at the hospital are on our side, and since we know our rights and are far more educated that everyone else who passes through that death trap they call a hospital, they're not going to mess with us. The sucky part though is that because social services is involved, we can't remove our daughter from the hospital just yet. We CAN, but it will result in "medical insubordination", and we know damn well that social services will make up a completely bullshit story and try to take our daughter away from us. So we're doing our best to minimize the damage, but we know that our daughter will never be the same as she was supposed to be thanks to the fucking antibiotics. They even wanted to vaccinate her...WHAT THE FUCK, YOU DON'T VACCINATE A NEWBORN LESS THAN FOUR HOURS OLD! Do these fucking idiots even know how vaccines work?! Obviously not! And they obviously don't know jack shit about breastfeeding, or else they'd know to NOT give the baby antibiotics. They claim that births outside of the hospital are "unsterile" births...umm hello dumb shit, NO birth is sterile, and should never BE sterile! Part of the birthing process is to pass along bacteria to the baby so the gut can be filled with bacteria properly...antibiotics kill all of these bacteria, making the baby's digestive system very weak...oh yes that's right, perfect for forcing high-grade, VERY EXPENSIVE baby formula into the child. Well fuck if I'm gonna let them do that.

[Joe Redifer]

One of the side effects is autism.

Geez!!  That's a hell of a "side effect".  Shouldn't they list the side effects before they administer the medicine?  Drug companies are required to on their TV commercials and magazine ads, I would think someone about to get the shot should be made aware as well.

[Keranu]

It's debated that the mercury in vaccines causes autism too.

[Turbo D]

Wow, you would think they would warn you about something like that. 

[termis]

Sounds like one big-ass hassle for sure.  Hope it all works out soon for you, the Mrs., and the little one.

[Sparky]

a special moment taking right away from ya like that, dont even know what to say, hope you guys are back home soon
Did they say roughly what day you can get the hell out of there?

[Sinistron]

Sorry I'm late to the thread man- but congrats of course and that's some crazy shit going on there.  Sounds like Crazy Hospital isn't just a PC-Engine SCD game..

[OldRover]

Thanks for the encouragement everyone, my wife and I appreciate it. We're fighting the good fight here, and we're not so easy to shut up or put away.

The chemical additives and heavy metals used to preserve vaccines cause all kinds of health problems, and yes, autism is one of them. However, even if you can prove that a vaccine has caused your child damage, YOU CANNOT SUE THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY THAT MANUFACTURED IT. Federal law prohibits lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies for vaccines. There's apparently some kind of fund you can get from the federal government, but again, it requires you to prove that the vaccine has caused the damage to your child. And by the way...they ARE required, by FEDERAL LAW, to tell you about the possible side effects of vaccines...however, people are not generally aware of this, so the doctors conveniently skip over this part. Well of course they do...they make a lot of money shooting up babies and toddlers with destructive heavy metals and chemicals...then they make far more money later in their life treating the symptoms of all the diseases and syndromes the vaccines cause. Follow the money trail.

The soonest time Luna could possibly be released is Thursday morning, because of the blood culture test. They won't release her without conclusive results on that test, which is complete bullshit. Now, ALL of the nurses on staff are behind us and think that this whole case is utterly disgusting. My wife's become somewhat of a celebrity in the hospital...EVERYONE'S talking about the mother who gave birth at home with no one besides her husband. But then there's the problem of social services...one of the people at social services is trying to expedite the case since there's really no case in the first place.

So, summary: The hospital stay is completely unnecessary, social services didn't need to get involved, and our neighborhood is likely to turn into a battlefield once wifey brings Luna home. All because some nosy, imposing motherfucker couldn't mind their own fucking business. Getting a lawyer is just a small piece of the gigantic pie that will be served hot once she's home.

[guyjin]

It's debated that the mercury in vaccines causes autism too.

No it's not. Lunatics keep saying it, but it's false. Mercury hasn't been used in vaccines in the United States for years, and incidents of autism have not reduced as a result.

[OldRover]

Yes, mercury HAS been linked to autism, and yes, it IS still used in vaccines, though it is slowly being phased out. Thiomersal (thimerosal) is an organomercury that has been used in vaccines for many decades (since the 1930s). Unfortunately, you cannot rely on the FDA to provide accurate information, as their studies are based on "honest reporting from the pharmaceutical companies"...and I don't think I need to explain how well THAT works out. 2-PE is on the rise though as an alternative to thiomersal, as well as other such "safer" preservatives. 2-PE is primarily used in dermatological products as a bactericide, and it's apparently less damaging than thiomersal (but more expensive, and you can even order it online). I couldn't find much information on it on the RSC website though, but there's a little.

[PCEngineHell]

Im just catching the tail end of this so far Rov,and Im really sorry your babys birth had to be thrown into such chaos. I hope it works out soon,family gets back home,and you sue like mad.

[T2KFreeker]

All I can say is that IO hope that everything is not in a negative light and that everything ends up okay. I'll pray for health for you man. Just remember, you give good Karma and you get it back.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Just remember, you give good Karma and you get it back.

In this case they gave the Nod family shit, so they should throw it right the fuck back.  Preferably mixed with high velocity lead.