Are there any demo discs for the Turbo?

Joe Redifer · 07/08/2015, 10:14 PM

So we're thinking about doing a Demo Disc episode and was going though my collection of demo discs figuring out what to include. Was there ever anything like that for the Turbo? Googling it, the internet seems to think the Gate of Thunder 4-in-1 disc is a demo disc. But it's definitely no such beast (thankfully). I've heard rumors of a Lords of Thunder demo disc but I've never heard any more than that. I know the PC Engine has "Special Version" demo-style HuCards but those are a bit hard for me to come by.

CrackTiger · 07/08/2015, 11:40 PM

There's a ton of PC Engine demo discs with all kinds of crazy stuff, including lots of Mode 7 effects, exclusive mini games and misc. The PC Engine Catalog discs 1 - 6 + Duo RX A & B are a good start. Most of these have the complete game of Nectaris on them. One or two(?) have Bomberman '94 Special Edition/Caravan/Taikenban. Catalog 4 has Force Gear.

The Seiya Monogatari/AFS demo disc has Cychorider on it.

There's the Tengai Makyou II/Dragon Slayer disc.

Deden no Den is a stand-alone Bomberman '94 demo with everything replaced by Kabuki Danjuro.

Motteke Tomago only exists as a demo disc.

There's an Emerald Dragon taikenban (like most, it's not simply a short gameplay segment).

There's a Fuun Kabuki Den taikenban, but it's more of a straight segment from the full game.

Snatcher Pilot Disk has a bunch of exclusive assets.

All but the stand-alone Bomberman '94 taikenban (unless the title begins with a different name) are included in the "Turbo Grafx 16 CD PCECD Complete CD-ROM Collection" torrent.

Since demos like the Special Version HuCards weren't sold commercially, I don't think that you should nitpick enough to not just play them on the Everdrive.

HailingTheThings · 07/08/2015, 11:42 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/08/2015, 10:14 PMSo we're thinking about doing a Demo Disc episode and was going though my collection of demo discs figuring out what to include. Was there ever anything like that for the Turbo? Googling it, the internet seems to think the Gate of Thunder 4-in-1 disc is a demo disc. But it's definitely no such beast (thankfully). I've heard rumors of a Lords of Thunder demo disc but I've never heard any more than that. I know the PC Engine has "Special Version" demo-style HuCards but those are a bit hard for me to come by.

Isn't that an actual thing?

Thought someone here had one or something. Maybe it was just an iso, idk.

imparanoic · 07/08/2015, 11:42 PM

yes, on the pc engine cd rom

usually 2 different types, demo cd roms from magazines, freebies ( due to cheap nature of cd roms), hard to find, slightly pricey for desirable ones

http://auction.rakuten.co.jp/item/11697580/a/10017297/

the other type are limited editions trial or special versions of pc engine cd roms games called (体験版非売品/ trial editions not for sale - sorry, my 'moon' language is minimal as I am british born Chinese, can read kanji though - mostly)

http://www.suruga-ya.jp/product/detail/162001010001

this another example of 非売品 not for sale pc engine cd rom game

http://www.suruga-ya.jp/database/pics/game/162000404.jpg

Tengai Makyou Deden no Den ( in a special bomber man game)

http://randomhoohaas.flyingomelette.com/bomb/pce-94/sp.html

imparanoic · 07/08/2015, 11:43 PM

BTW, your show is really cool

imparanoic · 07/08/2015, 11:44 PM

体験版 in romanji = taikenban ( means trial version/edition) , forgot the term, thx

CrackTiger · 07/09/2015, 12:10 AM

I just remembered, -I think that the Hyper Catalog 4 actually just shows a screenshot or two of Force Gear during the Tokimeki Memorial segment. Wouldn't be surprised if it was still unlockable though.

ccovell · 07/09/2015, 03:12 AM

There is an actual TurboDuo demo disc starring Zonk:

esteban · 07/09/2015, 08:16 AM

Quote from: ccovell on 07/09/2015, 03:12 AMThere is an actual TurboDuo demo disc starring Zonk:

This was for kiosks...

So, I guess Joe needs to make a distinction between demo discs and how they were distributed to/accessed by the public...because folks today have a very distinct idea of "demo disc"...even though it has multiple meanings and contexts over time...

DragonmasterDan · 07/09/2015, 10:00 AM

Quote from: esteban on 07/09/2015, 08:16 AM
Quote from: ccovell on 07/09/2015, 03:12 AMThere is an actual TurboDuo demo disc starring Zonk:
This was for kiosks...

So, I guess Joe needs to make a distinction between demo discs and how they were distributed to/accessed by the public...because folks today have a very distinct idea of "demo disc"...even though it has multiple meanings and contexts over time...

Yep, the Kiosk disc and the Lords of Thunder disc were the two that immediately sprung to my mind. But those weren't intended for distribution to the public.

The number of demo discs jumps up astronomically once you get to Playstation and Dreamcast in the US as both of their official magazines distributed demo discs with the issues.

BigusSchmuck · 07/09/2015, 10:58 AM

I believe there were some Laseractive demo disks (Rocket Coaster) but I'm not sure if there were any created for the Turbo/PCE pak.

VenomMacbeth · 07/09/2015, 03:56 PM

Wasn't there a faceball demo disc in a magazine?

xcrement5x · 07/09/2015, 06:10 PM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 07/09/2015, 10:58 AMI believe there were some Laseractive demo disks (Rocket Coaster) but I'm not sure if there were any created for the Turbo/PCE pak.

Those are a bit different. The Sample LA games are really just retail copies with a sample sticker on the sleeve, no real differences from everything I've seen.

BigusSchmuck · 07/09/2015, 06:21 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/09/2015, 06:10 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 07/09/2015, 10:58 AMI believe there were some Laseractive demo disks (Rocket Coaster) but I'm not sure if there were any created for the Turbo/PCE pak.
Those are a bit different. The Sample LA games are really just retail copies with a sample sticker on the sleeve, no real differences from everything I've seen.

Wish I had known that before I sold my Rocket Coaster off lol.

Pokun · 07/09/2015, 06:37 PM

Quote from: imparanoic on 07/08/2015, 11:44 PM体験版 in romanji = taikenban ( means trial version/edition) , forgot the term, thx

romaji

Sorry but it bothers me.

Nazi NecroPhile · 07/09/2015, 06:58 PM

Quote from: VenomMacbeth on 07/09/2015, 03:56 PMWasn't there a faceball demo disc in a magazine?

I don't know how it was distributed, but there is indeed a Faceball demo:

BigusSchmuck · 07/09/2015, 07:30 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/09/2015, 06:58 PM
Quote from: VenomMacbeth on 07/09/2015, 03:56 PMWasn't there a faceball demo disc in a magazine?
I don't know how it was distributed, but there is indeed a Faceball demo:

Now I wants it.

esteban · 07/09/2015, 08:45 PM

I probably have seen that video for Faceball before, but I don't remember it. At all. So, basically, I am experiencing senility.

turboswimbz · 07/09/2015, 09:16 PM

Quote from: esteban on 07/09/2015, 08:45 PMI probably have seen that video for Faceball before, but I don't remember it. At all. So, basically, I am experiencing senility.

or 13 years in the forum and 17,000 posts. the fact you remember anything on here is a miracle.

CrackTiger · 07/09/2015, 11:18 PM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 07/09/2015, 07:30 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 07/09/2015, 06:58 PM
Quote from: VenomMacbeth on 07/09/2015, 03:56 PMWasn't there a faceball demo disc in a magazine?
I don't know how it was distributed, but there is indeed a Faceball demo:
Now I wants it.

It's also on one of the PCE Catalog discs.

Joe Redifer · 07/10/2015, 12:36 AM

Quote from: esteban on 07/09/2015, 08:16 AM
Quote from: ccovell on 07/09/2015, 03:12 AMThere is an actual TurboDuo demo disc starring Zonk:
This was for kiosks...

So, I guess Joe needs to make a distinction between demo discs and how they were distributed to/accessed by the public...because folks today have a very distinct idea of "demo disc"...even though it has multiple meanings and contexts over time...

Kiosk demo discs are fine. And in my opinion quite interesting. I'll look for an ISO of this Air Zonk disc. That's pretty damn awesome.

SuperPlay · 07/13/2015, 04:25 PM

QuoteKiosk demo discs are fine. And in my opinion quite interesting. I'll look for an ISO of this Air Zonk disc. That's pretty damn awesome.

I will PM you a link.

esteban · 07/13/2015, 07:45 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 07/10/2015, 12:36 AM
Quote from: esteban on 07/09/2015, 08:16 AM
Quote from: ccovell on 07/09/2015, 03:12 AMThere is an actual TurboDuo demo disc starring Zonk:
This was for kiosks...

So, I guess Joe needs to make a distinction between demo discs and how they were distributed to/accessed by the public...because folks today have a very distinct idea of "demo disc"...even though it has multiple meanings and contexts over time...
Kiosk demo discs are fine. And in my opinion quite interesting. I'll look for an ISO of this Air Zonk disc. That's pretty damn awesome.

I like the fact that you will explain how the concept of "demo disc" is multifaceted and has evolved over the years.

I asked this question long ago, but nobody has been able to answer it:

(1) Was PCE first console to have demo/sample CD? I think so.
(2) Were there ever demo/sample carts? Maybe not for general public, but retailers?
(3) For PC world...what counts as the first demo/sampler? Should we focus only on commercial software? Obviously, demo diskettes/cassettes probably existed long before consoles...but what were the first ones?
(4) Did Famicom Disk System have demo?
(5) blah blah blah.
(6)

imparanoic · 07/13/2015, 11:52 PM

cheap official demo cd rom for pc engine

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PC-Engine-Hyper-Catalogue-Turbo-Duo-JP-GAME-/331601348707?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d34fb0863&autorefresh=true

Pokun · 07/14/2015, 10:21 AM

2) Demos and sample cartridges exists for many systems. Cartridges are a bit too expensive to make for free give-away demos though.

4) Probably not, I'm collecting FDS and I've never seen any demos. There are however magazine games, like Sunsoft's Nazo no Magazine Nazoler Land that supposedly came with some magazine and Tokuma Shouten's Famimaga disks that came with the Famimaga magazine.

esteban · 07/14/2015, 11:10 AM

Quote from: Pokun on 07/14/2015, 10:21 AM2) Demos and sample cartridges exists for many systems. Cartridges are a bit too expensive to make for free give-away demos though.

4) Probably not, I'm collecting FDS and I've never seen any demos. There are however magazine games, like Sunsoft's Nazo no Magazine Nazoler Land that supposedly came with some magazine and Tokuma Shouten's Famimaga disks that came with the Famimaga magazine.

Ahhh, very interesting. If you have any links, I would love to read more

Thank you.

Pokun · 07/14/2015, 01:06 PM

I don't have any links but just google Nazoler Land and Famimaga.

The Nazoler Land series have several mini games on each disk. Famimaga is usually one game per disk I think. Volume 5 is the original Puyo Puyo, released at the same time as the MSX2 version. Volume 6 Janken Disk Shirou seems to have Disk-kun as its main character (he was featured in the magazine's comics as well I think).

DragonmasterDan · 07/14/2015, 02:05 PM

Quote from: esteban on 07/13/2015, 07:45 PMI like the fact that you will explain how the concept of "demo disc" is multifaceted and has evolved over the years.

I asked this question long ago, but nobody has been able to answer it:

(1) Was PCE first console to have demo/sample CD? I think so.

CD I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. Other formats like cartridges or floppy discs if we're counting home computer games definitely came first, even if they weren't for public use.

Quote(2) Were there ever demo/sample carts? Maybe not for general public, but retailers?

Yes there were. Some containing just hacked or timed versions of full games.

Quote(3) For PC world...what counts as the first demo/sampler? Should we focus only on commercial software

We first need to define PC world. Do you simply mean consumer computers as a whole or specifically the IBM Personal Computer (X86 DOS to Windows based) platform?

QuoteObviously, demo diskettes/cassettes probably existed long before consoles...but what were the first ones?

(4) Did Famicom Disk System have demo?
(5) blah blah blah.
(6)

Not sure, probably and blah blah blah blah.

ccovell · 07/15/2015, 10:02 AM

Quote from: esteban on 07/13/2015, 07:45 PM(2) Were there ever demo/sample carts? Maybe not for general public, but retailers?

(4) Did Famicom Disk System have demo?

The Famicom, Atari 2600, etc, had sample carts, of course. And...

esteban · 07/15/2015, 11:16 AM

To clarify: PC is the general category I use for all personal computer platforms across all regions.

STATUS: I am trying to read all the info you folks shared—thank you.