So there's this Dino Force alpha version...

[_Paul]

I got these in an anonymous email:

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Then next day, the following message:

Hello Chris, <erm..?>

We got an alpha version 100% complete from the creator of the game. It's maybe the one and only full complete version of the game. It was kept for about 20 years...

Only few informations were available on Internet and all came from PCM engine fan. As same as only few screenshot published through the same magazine (June 1993).

Then the company closed down before released it, after the middle success of circus light (same man).

If you know someone we should be interested in it, please let them know.

We don't know what we will do with it but it seems that some collectors are looking for it.

Maybe one of the last unreleased / rumor and secret hu card game available on the market.

Best regards.

I have no idea if this is legit or not, but if anyone wants their email address, let me know and I will send it via PM. Long standing/trusted forum members get priority.

[Nando]

Wow, that's random and kinda cool.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I'd certainly be interested in such a game, but not for the thousands of monies some diehard collector is likely willing to pay.  The only way I'd invest that kind of coin is if it really is complete (music and whatnot), it's a decent shewty (I wouldn't expect it to be top tier), and it's running bug free on real hardware; that way there'd be enough interest in pressed discs at a price high enough to recoup the investment.

[PunkCryborg]

he posted on assembler

wayback.assemblergames.com/?Dino-Force-PC-Engine-make-your-wish-come-true

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'd certainly be interested in such a game, but not for the thousands of monies some diehard collector is likely willing to pay.  The only way I'd invest that kind of coin is if it really is complete (music and whatnot), it's a decent shewty (I wouldn't expect it to be top tier), and it's running bug free on real hardware; that way there'd be enough interest in pressed discs at a price high enough to recoup the investment.

Its a HuCard prototype, isn't it?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Its a HuCard prototype, isn't it?

Oh, it's a huey?  I guess that kills it for me then.

[Sadler]

Do we have the skills to dump it here on the forum? I'd donate (some) to get it if someone can dump it. Would others be interested in contributing even if it meant they wouldn't get the original proto?

[TurboXray]

After the whole Digital Press Bio Force Ape debacle, I'm always suspicious of people claiming protos..... (eat communism, indeed).

[Arkhan Asylum]

After the whole Digital Press Bio Force Ape debacle, I'm always suspicious of people claiming protos..... (eat communism, indeed).

My guess is its all a hoax and someone needs kicked in the sack.

[geise]

Could  be someone's been reading neo-geo.com a bit to much, and is looking to score big on a proto.

[_Paul]

If it is a hoax, they should have picked a more interesting game.

[OldMan]

Do we have the skills to dump it here on the forum?

I'm sure there are people here who could do that. It just takes the right equipment.

[ccovell]

He sent me the e-mail and I replied to it, which accounts for your "Hi Chris" message.  I'd love to get my hands on this proto and dump it, but I'm not a rich man anymore...

[Tatsujin]

lol yeah, I bet thibaut & co already threw in their 10'000s of euro bids for that. so if its real, the only thing we probably  will ever get to see are some pics and movies with french comments.

[ccovell]

This is from Gekkan PC-Engine magazine 9/1991:

[Tatsujin]

lol, these guys at Uni Post of Japan really knew of how to create some hardcore pc engine legends.

[TurboXray]

This is from Gekkan PC-Engine magazine 9/1991:

Heh, with a weapon like that... it would flicker like a biatch.

[Tatsujin]

I would very much like to see that "super unique shooting game"

[ParanoiaDragon]

Ok, so what we need is for Arky & Ye Old Geezer to finish up those AbCards, so we can put this & Marble Madness on those.....well, that, & someone to purchase this so it isn't hoarded!  I wonder if BeaglePuss knows about this!

[esteban]

Ok, so what we need is for Arky & Ye Old Geezer to finish up those AbCards, so we can put this & Marble Madness on those.....well, that, & someone to purchase this so it isn't hoarded!  I wonder if BeaglePuss knows about this!

BeaglePuss is busy securing the Riftwar Saga prototype at the moment and doesn't have the $$$ to fund a Dino Force acquisition. Damn, talk about bittersweet.

[PCEngineHell]

After the whole Digital Press Bio Force Ape debacle, I'm always suspicious of people claiming protos..... (eat communism, indeed).

My guess is its all a hoax and someone needs kicked in the sack.

I'd be suspect of anything that doesn't say "PUSH RUN" on the title screen. Either way, simply don't care. More often then not, people who come across this stuff are never willing to dump it it seems like, because its kept as a bragging right. Due to that, I don't get my hopes up anyway.

[CrackTiger]

Ok, so what we need is for Arky & Ye Old Geezer to finish up those AbCards, so we can put this & Marble Madness on those.....well, that, & someone to purchase this so it isn't hoarded!  I wonder if BeaglePuss knows about this!

BeaglePuss is busy securing the Riftwar Saga prototype at the moment and doesn't have the $$$ to fund a Dino Force acquisition. Damn, talk about bittersweet.

I haven't heard anything about beaglepuss making the MM rom available, so even if he did nanage to get ahold of this, the end result would likely he the same as if any of the other collectors who buy unreleased games to keep them from being released to the public gets it.

It would be cool to play, but it is only a 4meg HuCard, so it is likely short judging by the screenshots.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I thought BeaglePuss said he was looking to make MM available in a physical form....or maybe I read too much into what he did say?

[SignOfZeta]

WTF is a "%100 complete alpha"?

What percentage new is that?

[PCEngineHell]

WTF is a "%100 complete alpha"?

What percentage new is that?

Usually in Alpha testing nothing appears to be complete, so who knows. Maybe he meant Beta. Maybe that's why it doesn't have "PUSH RUN" on the title screen, because midway through development they still never got around to it.

[shubibiman]

Let's all unite and gather enough bucks to make this game available for all.

[PunkCryborg]

Let's all unite and gather enough bucks to make this game available for all.

Sounds good, I'll volunteer to hold on to it for uh safe keeping after the funds are raised.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Let's all unite and gather enough bucks to make this game available for all.

Sounds good, I'll volunteer to hold on to it for uh safe keeping after the funds are raised.

Wrong, we won't let you get away with that! 

My suggestion is to divide it into a number of pieces based on how many people put forth the funds, that'll solve everything!

[Sadler]

Raffle it, or give it to the guy that dumps it.

[CrackTiger]

I'd contribute to a kickstarter or something similar to pool funds to buy it (if it can be reasonably verified to be legit and the seller trustworthy) if it gets sent to Chris Covell to dump it and make the rom public. If he's up for it, he could possibly do the exchange in person with a PCE GT to ensure everything goes smoothly. I'd be happy with him keeping the original as well to reward him for his efforts.

[Keranu]

I hope this turns out to be real! This is actually one of the more appealing unreleased games to me, the graphics look pretty nice. Lets see what this big update entails before any sort of donation system is considered.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Wait....big update?  Did I miss something


This & Dinoforce reminds me of this thread, I wonder what happened to this guy, maybe he was full of it?
http://www.digitpress.com/forum/showthread.php?138419-Turbo-Grafx-Prototypes

[shubibiman]

I'd contribute to a kickstarter or something similar to pool funds to buy it (if it can be reasonably verified to be legit and the seller trustworthy) if it gets sent to Chris Covell to dump it and make the rom public. If he's up for it, he could possibly do the exchange in person with a PCE GT to ensure everything goes smoothly. I'd be happy with him keeping the original as well to reward him for his efforts.

I think the same

[SignOfZeta]

What I don't get about people sitting on these protos is...why are the screen shots often SO SHITTY? They want us to believe they are real but only show us the blurriest crap possible, with one of these shots looking amazingly close to the shot from PCE Magazine. Its like they actually want people to doubt the authenticity.

And yeah, the weapon...looks cool, but is that even possible?

Game looks amazing though, from what little we can see. I personally have never hear of it.

As for this community acquiring the proto...probably not going to happen. I doubt this forum could raise $5k. Those French bastards buy $20,000 protos all day.

[BeaglePuss]

I haven't heard anything about beaglepuss making the MM rom available, so even if he did nanage to get ahold of this, the end result would likely he the same as if any of the other collectors who buy unreleased games to keep them from being released to the public gets it.

On the contrary...

Here are some links for you to consider:
-  My release of the unreleased Genesis title Beastball http://segaage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=43&threadid=55098 .  The Download can be found here: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4f5kdjyHmF-ZDM5YjdiMzAtMWNlZS00MjExLThiOTgtNTgxMDUzYjU2ZDNh/edit?pli=1&hl=en_US

-  My release of the Unreleased Genesis title Swamp Thing  http://segaage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=49&threadid=41542

-  My release of the Unreleased Genesis game Dragon's Lair and the Unreleased NES game Arcadia VI  http://segaage.com/auth/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=49&threadid=52638

-  My release of the Unreleased NES game Kitty's Catch, Unreleased NES engine for Tommy T's Sound editor, and a host of other NES titles  http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=35&threadid=20492

-  My release of the unreleased NES game Hoppin' Mad  http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=20344

-  Although it's DreamTR's game, I dumped and repro'd Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat for the Genesis http://segaage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=43&threadid=53310

I'm currently in the process of releasing Bill's Tomato game for the Genesis, and it should be ready within the next month or two.  That release will fund the release of a few more unreleased NES titles I have had in the works for some time now.

Now, I have to ask, how many releases have you played a role in?  The question is rhetorical of course, as I'm sure I already know the answer. 

The reason I haven't said anything in regard to Marble Madness in some time is because there's nothing to say.  Outside of Sadler offering to let me borrow a multi-tap, there hasn't been a single member of this community offering up anything outside of "Gimme TEH ROMZ!"  You get more bees with honey, and more roms with tact. 

I'm not going to drop tens of thousands of dollars on a game(s) and get nothing in return, that's not how I operate.  If MM were a good candidate to be reproduced and offset my initial investment, that's what I would have done.  It wasn't, so I didn't.

If this Dino Force game is real, and it's on Assembler, then it's already too late.  The big time collectors will scoop this up and put it on a shelf (and no, they're not French).  A $5,000 community fund raiser wouldn't add up to a down payment for a game of this caliber. 

[_Paul]

I don't need to see any game badly enough to spend more than about £50 on it.

[Sadler]

Outside of Sadler offering to let me borrow a multi-tap, there hasn't been a single member of this community offering up anything outside of "Gimme TEH ROMZ!" 

That offer is still open, just let me know where to ship to.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

On the contrary...
.....
I'm not going to drop tens of thousands of dollars on a game(s) and get nothing in return, that's not how I operate.  If MM were a good candidate to be reproduced and offset my initial investment, that's what I would have done.  It wasn't, so I didn't.

So B.T. is correct - you're not planning to make repros or offer the rom; that's a pity, but I can understand you wanting to make a buck.  Have you considered hacking the rom to run from a CD?  Assuming it's doable, that might get the manufacturing cost per game low enough to provide a worthwhile profit margin.

The reason I haven't said anything in regard to Marble Madness in some time is because there's nothing to say.  Outside of Sadler offering to let me borrow a multi-tap, there hasn't been a single member of this community offering up anything outside of "Gimme TEH ROMZ!"  You get more bees with honey, and more roms with tact. 

Umm, okay.  I don't know what else you were looking for, but I'll be in line for a repro if you ever make one.

[ParanoiaDragon]

On the contrary...
.....
I'm not going to drop tens of thousands of dollars on a game(s) and get nothing in return, that's not how I operate.  If MM were a good candidate to be reproduced and offset my initial investment, that's what I would have done.  It wasn't, so I didn't.

So B.T. is correct - you're not planning to make repros or offer the rom; that's a pity, but I can understand you wanting to make a buck.  Have you considered hacking the rom to run from a CD?  Assuming it's doable, that might get the manufacturing cost per game low enough to provide a worthwhile profit margin.

The reason I haven't said anything in regard to Marble Madness in some time is because there's nothing to say.  Outside of Sadler offering to let me borrow a multi-tap, there hasn't been a single member of this community offering up anything outside of "Gimme TEH ROMZ!"  You get more bees with honey, and more roms with tact.

Umm, okay.  I don't know what else you were looking for, but I'll be in line for a repro if you ever make one.

Me as well, I've been drooling over the thought of MM being released on cart or cd, either way.  If it has to be cd, I'm fine with that.  CD is doable for sure right now, on carts, we still have to wait for whatever Arky & co. need to do to finish the Abcards.  As far as offering anything, the one thing I could do, is make redbook versions of the tunes for a CD version, which I might eventually do anyways just for fun.  However, I am still knee deep in Jungle Bros. tunes, so when I'd get to it?

[PCEngineHell]

Would he even have the right to release and "sell" the game on TG-16, that would be a better question. Who actually owns the rights to Marble Madness currently? I could see pulling it off on some unreleased game by a company long since dead, but  Mark Cerny is not dead, and if he doesn't have the rights, then I would think Warner Bros. Entertainment would since they soaked up all the rights that Midway had obtained when they made the purchase of Atari Games.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Most recent post/thread over at Assembler games

Hello guys,
 
I'm not sure that it's the right place for the thread, so if it's not please just let me know.
 
So after asked the "Big Boss", I'm opening a Special thread to talk about it (D.F.). Some people surely guess that i'm not coming with empty hands !!!!
 
First :
 
- I open this thread to talk about the game.
 - A "free Q/A" topic will be open until friday.
 - Then "we" will decide what to do with.
 

> Don't waist more time, "I" have in hand a Full complete version of the Hu-Card game Dino Crisis. Game canceled after the "circus lido" company closed. The game was done but unreleased. It's an ALPHA BAN (taikenban) on a develop Hu card.
 
> Through this thread, you will be able to ask me questions about it until friday, then I will answer you and update this message.
 

I will start with some basics questions :
 
- Which game :
 Dino force, canceled in 1993. You can find some/few informations about it in the PC ENGINE Fan June 1993 and the Gekkan PC-Engine 9/1991 (thank you to CCOVELL). The company released the "famous" Circus Lido.
 
- Where :
 It come from the "boss" of the project, he worked on Space invaders, Darius series and many more... (all informations available as proof as well with name, address...). Even some pictures with him and a special dedication at my "name" with a hand draw of the first stage boss (20 years after made it).
 
- Why :
 Why after 20 years ? It's simple, after a good talk and good drink, Japanese people "talk and tell some little secret", it's one of them !!! It's a good chance for you to get this "legend/rumor" and an opportunity (financial) for "him" to invest in a "new project". I'm not the main "man" on it, so I can't decide alone on what to do next.
 
- How many :
 Officially there are only 2 remains. A Beta Ban (80% complete of the game) available in the Famitsu company "storage room", and a 100% Alpha Ban complete "here". I'm not 100% sure of this but, during the past 20 years it's THE ONLY ONE (maybe the last) TIME that the game "show up". If something "happened" the game should be lost "forever".
 
- Next Step :
 We are thinking about a "live presentation" through the U-channel to a friend soon, but some "people interest in it" won't this to happened. Someones "made offers", but nothing decided yet. I ask you all what do you want, or what do you think ?
To be honest, "We" are not able to "make" a public release with 200/300 copies (money and time missing). Maybe "the buyer" will do it BUT nothing sure. I know that many of you guys should be pissed about it cause 99% of nec lovers won't (maybe) be able to play it, and I'm sorry about that. But you have to understand that "game" is not supposed to be "here", 20 years after !!!
 
- Offer :
 You all guys available to do "offer", not only financially, but if you have any ideas or "plans" everything will be check as well.

- Garantie :
 We can certify the "new owner", that we didn't made any copy OR own any copy somewhere, and the "boss" is almost sure that NO OTHER ONE will pop up soon or late. the "new owner" will be free to do what he want to do with the game, and we won't tell anything.
 



Feel free to share your feeling (good or bad) about it and ask question.
 

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[bust3dstr8]

So he has an Alpha build.  Do people really care about getting that dumped. I figure proto collectors
would like it for their E-penis bragging rights, but most gamer/collectors would probally be interested in a late
Beta game.

[ParanoiaDragon]

There's now a video up, but I gotta wait to be approved by a mod.

[FraGMarE]

Never heard of this.  Was it some unreleased horizontal shmup or something?

[SignOfZeta]

So an alpha is more complete than a beta? Is this the way they talk in Japan or is this guy just clueless?

[SignOfZeta]

He posted a video, the game looks real, the beam really is like that. The video is f-in horrible quality and really brief, just like the screen shots.

But now he says there is a shop in Japan that is going to handle the sale so we may never see anything about this game again.

[_Paul]

He emailed me the video. That laser looks terrible.

[Arkhan Asylum]

So an alpha is more complete than a beta? Is this the way they talk in Japan or is this guy just clueless?

They read from right to left.

duh.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I'm not going to drop tens of thousands of dollars on a game(s) and get nothing in return, that's not how I operate.  If MM were a good candidate to be reproduced and offset my initial investment, that's what I would have done.  It wasn't, so I didn't.

Perhaps if anything there could be a combination rom/ inexpensive flash hucard deal in the future?  Or give the game to ARKANAHN and let him alter a few things (graphically) and release it on one of his ABCATURDS?

Why is the idea of reproducing MM out the window?

[VestCunt]

The reason I haven't said anything in regard to Marble Madness in some time is because there's nothing to say.  Outside of Sadler offering to let me borrow a multi-tap, there hasn't been a single member of this community offering up anything outside of "Gimme TEH ROMZ!"  You get more bees with honey, and more roms with tact. 

I'm no spokesman, but I'm very sorry if you perceived a general lack of interest or unwillingness to pony up for MM. From what I remember, you were adamant about keeping any reproduction/distribution discussion off the table while you gathered information. That was in July and then you disappeared. We should have been more proactive, but I think most of us were just respecting your wishes and waiting for you to make the next move.

I for one would eagerly contribute for the opportunity to play MM on the Turbo. We're not as numerous as Genesis fans or as well-heeled as Neo Geo collectors, but PCEFX members have shown real generosity donating time and money to projects like Mysterious Song and the repair forum. If you have any willingness to entertain offers, it you have would be a shame to let MM die without at least attempting a kickstarter or something.