Carbon fibber stick ons... How she look?

[RoyVegas]

The Vette had already been blue flagged.
Passing in this run group is only allowed on the back straight and the start/finish straight and in those areas you can see he pulled ahead.
There is no point in driving closer to him when he's already ignoring a blue flag.
You clearly don't understand how this stuff works.

Oh ok, these are all points you're making AFTER your initial post of:

Its not faster than a Viper or a blown Vette, but the driver often is.

Here is a video of a guy with quadruple my horsepower not getting out of my way.

I had no way of knowing any of the above listed info but none the less, I was merely responding to your post of the video and that it didn't seem like you were held up to me.  Now as far as the blue flag, it wasn't a race where he could be penalized for holding you up.  I thought blue flags on a track day were more of a courtesy, am I wrong?

Like I said, if you watch my other videos, the ones where no one is in front of me, I'm much faster. Even the one where I'm held up by another Miata I'm able to go faster.

I actually did watch all of them. Your lap times where you have clear track were 1.30.01 and 1.32.69. Which clearly show you faster with clear track.  The one with the Miata in front of you, you ran 1.38.11 and you ran 1.34.57 with the Vette in front of you.  So actually you wern't faster with the Miata in front of you vs. the Vette, like you're saying. Your slowest video was 1.42.51 w/ the Mustang. Now in that video you are CLEARLY held up by the other drivers.

I don't know why you are being so confrontational with me about it. 

Was just my opinion that you weren't really held up by the Vette with a tiny bit of poking at you w/the Mario Andretti thing.  Relax killer, it's a discussion forum and I'm discussing my opinion.

Nearly every Vette owner is a dick. It's the kind of car a dick is attracted to.

Corvettes are for dicks...  Noted! 

[HercTNT]

Indiana must be filled with Vette drivers that don't know how to drive or nothing newer than a C4.

Like I said, it depends on the track. on the road course we were at, the corners were so many and so tight, the vette spent most of its time under braking, only really getting to open up in the mile long straight away. The Mini coopers, Miata's, Nissans, and Neons were going through the corners at a much higher rate of speed allowing them to easily catch faster cars on the mile and half of turns. There were probably 40 cars on the track competing in three different classes so the vette was not only faster car getting its ass handed to it. Most Road courses benefit better handling cars, not faster ones.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Right, because a C6 can't turn a corner and is a poor handling car. 

[jperryss]

Corvettes are for dicks...  Noted!  

Most (not all) Corvette owners are dicks, and share that same snobbish "better than you" club mentality that Harley owners do.

To me, the big difference is that a Harley can still be outperformed in any aspect by a machine half its price. The fact that the Z06 is compared to a Ferrari at probably twice the cost is a testament to that.

[SignOfZeta]

Right, because a C6 can't turn a corner and is a poor handling car. 

A C5/C6 is a better car than a Miata in nearly every category. Even in areas like fuel economy and trunk space, and while its nearly three times the price, the prices start to even out as they age. It's also interesting to note that the most lusted after high dollar mod in the Miata world these days is a Vette engine swap.



0-60 in 3.8 sec, btw.

The reality though is that using the full potential of a late period Vette is nearly impossible. There are very few tracks in the world where they can actually get anywhere near their top speed, possibly none on this side of the Atlantic. Most of the time driving a car that powerful is spend holding back the car's potential, wishing you could get on the power more. With a 100HP Miata you can drive all-out almost constantly with the added bonus of not having to buy a $1200 set of tires every track day.

BTW, Vette owners are some serious assholes %90 of the time. This is changing now that Vettes are actually good cars, a recent development, but it's truely a car for assholes. Anyone who disagrees is probably too much of an asshole to realize how true this is and probably would post a brag picture of themselves in front of a TV running Magical Chase in stretched mode. This isn't some theory I came up with myself, it's a pretty established concept. Even many Vette owners agree, since assholes tend to not get along very well with each other when their entire life is essentially a dick measuring contest through a microscope. 

There is even a thread about this issue here on this Vette forum.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f4/why-corvette-owners-considered-pricks-45689/

There are some interesting stories there.

[RoyVegas]

I see, change the subject and take a jab at me, fair enough as I took a poke at you first.

Anyone who disagrees is probably too much of an asshole to realize how true this is and probably would post a brag picture of themselves in front of a TV running Magical Chase in stretched mode.

If the people on this forum who were there, and laughed along with me as the pic was taken choose to verify this:  The pic was taken just to stir a little shit with forum members not to brag.  Which clearly worked as your panties are still in a bunch over it.

There is even a thread about this issue here on this Vette forum.

http://www.z06vette.com/forums/f4/why-corvette-owners-considered-pricks-45689/

There are some interesting stories there.

To me, this post summed it up quite well:

Never let the actions of a few ruin your opinion of the whole group no matter whether it's Corvette owners, democrats, republicans, midgets, teachers, etc.

Solid advice.

[bob]

I traded my Yaris for a V6 Highlander when the twins arrived.  Personally, I hate automobiles.
It's cool people are in to them like any other hobby, but not my thing.

[HercTNT]

Right, because a C6 can't turn a corner and is a poor handling car. 

No, because a c6 needs to break longer and slow down more to handle tighter turns than small cars do. If you don't think thats the case, then why do high speed ovals have high banks to keep cars on the track? On road coarses especially tight ones they often do not have those banks forcing faster more powerful cars to slow down more and for longer distances. smaller cars weigh less and can retain a higher rate of speed throughout the corners as well and break less.  If you don't believe me, turn on Imsa gt racing thats on during the weekends and explain to me why your c6's are getting stomped by audi a8 quatro's on tight road courses.  Now, be smart enough to understand that if you reverse the situation and have few corners and more straightaways the c6 vettes gonna stomp the shit outta most stuff out their.

[SignOfZeta]

Tight tracks are more of an equalizer. With no room to stretch their legs the 700HP race prepared Vettes are on the same turf as the 200 HP race prepared Midget because there is a limit to how well rubber can grip pavement, no matter how much of it you have. It shouldn't actually make the Vette slower though, unless its having trouble keeping its tires and brakes hot or something, and that would only be the case with a really overly prepared Vette, as in LeMans spec.

BTW, banked ovals are banked because slowing down for anything is very unpopular with those sorts of people and the cars are hilariously artificially low tech. There are 180MPH corners in F1 that are more or less perfectly flat. The 130R at Suzuka, for example.

[Sparky]

Hahaha... How did this thread turn into zeta the track master :p.  I hope to own a vette one day, nothing fancy like an 82-84 and yes i will get out the carbin fibber on her . My wife and her girl friends want a mita, bless there hearts.

[PCEngineHell]

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Herc seems a bit grumpy on the subject.  Does he drive a Vette.... slowly?

Does Audi really race A8s?  If so they must not be anything like the real cars (akin to a nascar 'taurus'), not if they're smaller and lighter than a C6R.  I know Audi fields a diesel powered racer in the prototype class, but that's a different set of rules and doesn't compete directly with the GT group; they also race R8s, but those aren't smaller, lighter, or less powerful than the C6.R (nor are they awd).

Tight tracks are more of an equalizer. With no room to stretch their legs the 700HP race prepared Vettes are on the same turf as the 200 HP race prepared Midget because there is a limit to how well rubber can grip pavement, no matter how much of it you have. It shouldn't actually make the Vette slower though, unless its having trouble keeping its tires and brakes hot or something, and that would only be the case with a really overly prepared Vette, as in LeMans spec.

Exactly.  The slower car through a corner is the one that handles poorly (comparatively); how much power it has under the hood is irrelevant unless it's so underpowered that it can keep it to the floor through the corner.

[PCEngineHell]

Here is something more exciting, I drive a Excelsior, and I don't wait for any blue flags to be waved before I pass tanks by and open fire.

[SignOfZeta]

Herc seems a bit grumpy on the subject.  Does he drive a Vette.... slowly?

Does Audi really race A8s?  If so they must not be anything like the real cars (akin to a nascar 'taurus'), not if they're smaller and lighter than a C6R.  I know Audi fields a diesel powered racer in the prototype class, but that's a different set of rules and doesn't compete directly with the GT group; they also race R8s, but those aren't smaller, lighter, or less powerful than the C6.R (nor are they awd).

Tight tracks are more of an equalizer. With no room to stretch their legs the 700HP race prepared Vettes are on the same turf as the 200 HP race prepared Midget because there is a limit to how well rubber can grip pavement, no matter how much of it you have. It shouldn't actually make the Vette slower though, unless its having trouble keeping its tires and brakes hot or something, and that would only be the case with a really overly prepared Vette, as in LeMans spec.

Exactly.  The slower car through a corner is the one that handles poorly (comparatively); how much power it has under the hood is irrelevant unless it's so underpowered that it can keep it to the floor through the corner.

Maybe he meant to say R8? The only series I can think of where you'd ever want to race an A8 would be DTM, but they never have since A8s are HUGE. They use A4s, currently an A5 I think, and even those are probably heavier than a Vette.

[420GOAT]

i like Vettes, ive had a 75 and a 86, yes im a dickhead. not duche, but a dick. sdee Vette folks dont have time for anyone else, and we also eat baby kittens too. yum!

[HercTNT]

Herc seems a bit grumpy on the subject.  Does he drive a Vette.... slowly?

Does Audi really race A8s?  If so they must not be anything like the real cars (akin to a nascar 'taurus'), not if they're smaller and lighter than a C6R.  I know Audi fields a diesel powered racer in the prototype class, but that's a different set of rules and doesn't compete directly with the GT group; they also race R8s, but those aren't smaller, lighter, or less powerful than the C6.R (nor are they awd).

Tight tracks are more of an equalizer. With no room to stretch their legs the 700HP race prepared Vettes are on the same turf as the 200 HP race prepared Midget because there is a limit to how well rubber can grip pavement, no matter how much of it you have. It shouldn't actually make the Vette slower though, unless its having trouble keeping its tires and brakes hot or something, and that would only be the case with a really overly prepared Vette, as in LeMans spec.

Exactly.  The slower car through a corner is the one that handles poorly (comparatively); how much power it has under the hood is irrelevant unless it's so underpowered that it can keep it to the floor through the corner.

LOL, no necro, i'm disabled and cannot drive

[jperryss]

i like Vettes, ive had a 75 and a 86, yes im a dickhead. not duche, but a dick. sdee Vette folks dont have time for anyone else, and we also eat baby kittens too. yum!

I always loved Corvettes but have never owned one. As a kid (pre-internet) I did a ton of reading up on them, went to dozens of car shows, and basically knew WAY more about Corvettes than anyone who didn't actually work for GM should, including engine/HP specs by year, etc. I've forgotten most of it though.

As a teenager I wanted a 3rd gen. Didn't matter what year, I liked nearly every year of that generation.The urethane bumper years don't get much love nowadays (rightfully so), but they're also relatively cheap and I'd still rock one today. It'd have to be a 4-speed though.

[VenomMacbeth]

Dammit I want a 3-door Saturn... T-T

[Bernie]

I had a Vette..  I hated it.  Fast as shit, though not as fast as the Mopar I built.  Handling was really its best feature, other than that it was like riding on a boulder.  You feel every damn crack in the road, literally.  The Dodge Viper I drove was WAY more comfortable than the Vette.  I recently gave the Vette to my Father in Law.  It was a 1984, with that Crossfire Fuel Injection mess.  Anyway, he loves it, so at least its getting some love now...

[SignOfZeta]

Yeah, old Vettes rode pretty bad, and in 1984 they weren't exactly rocket ships either. American V8s in the 80s were very low on power. In this case, 44HP per liter...much better the IROC Z (38HP per liter) or other V8s, but still terrible. Compare this with, for example, a GTI from the same year with 55HP per liter or a 1990 Miata with 72.

It seems like American car companies in the 80s were so bitter about having to use emmisions controls and having their asses totally kicked by foreign companies that they deliberately made garbage on purpose just to be assholes.

[tpivette]

I had a Vette..  I hated it.  Fast as shit, though not as fast as the Mopar I built.  Handling was really its best feature, other than that it was like riding on a boulder.  You feel every damn crack in the road, literally.  The Dodge Viper I drove was WAY more comfortable than the Vette.  I recently gave the Vette to my Father in Law.  It was a 1984, with that Crossfire Fuel Injection mess.  Anyway, he loves it, so at least its getting some love now...

The 1984 Corvette was the harshest riding Vette ever built. Back in the early 80s, skidpad numbers were all the rage, and GM responded by making the then new C4 crank out some impressive skidpad figures (for the time). However, this translated into terrible ride quality... and from 1985 on, the ride was softened in every new model. Also, the Crossfire was ridiculously slow with only 205hp in 84... yikes. There are 4cyls produced today with better power figures.

The C4s are also very hard to get in and out of due to their very high sills... its like stepping into a bathtub. I've owned 3 C4s (an 89, a 93, and a 96), and I can say theyre certainly not the most comfortable cars for daily use. All the above things were completely changed and resolved with the inception of the C5, and they've kept getting better with the C6 and the soon-to-be-released C7.

Some Vette owners are dicks/douches/etc, but this is true of ALL cars. Try driving into a Mustang show with a Vette and you'll see what I mean. Don't label the car cause a few of its owners are assholes. Its not the vehicle's fault.

BTW... love the SC2 Sparky. I have a 1997 5speed with about 120k miles on the clock and use it for my daily commute. In combined city/hwy driving I get an average of 30mpg using 87 octane. Wish I had a 3 door like yours, though. It would make getting the kids in and out of the back seat a lot easier.

[Sparky]

Almost ready for the track boys, more carbon fibber... Now on my Saturn logo.. The Mita slayer come-ith.

The logo is originally in an orangey red that really blends in with my car so black looks better I think. ( see rear pict for original colour and the next part I am doing)

And thanks for the kind words guys just pissing around, cars should not be taking to cereal but I really like what I have done so far (( shrugs ))

Oh PS: those are tears of joy on my car, she looks so good

[SignOfZeta]

You should just wrap the whole car. That would be hilarious.

[Sparky]

You should just wrap the whole car. That would be hilarious.

Hahhhaha..you finally replied oh mr serious I just might  & I would be happier then you at the end of the day oh I mean track master

Edit... Looks so good you have to admit...?

[FiftyQuid]

How much of this stuff did you buy?

P.S. - The logo looks good.

[Sparky]

How much of this stuff did you buy?

P.S. - The logo looks good.

$14 worth
At c-tire

[SignOfZeta]

You should just wrap the whole car. That would be hilarious.

Hahhhaha..you finally replied oh mr serious I just might  & I would be happier then you at the end of the day oh I mean track master

Edit... Looks so good you have to admit...?

You should consider the possibility that I do have a sense of humor and maybe it just isn't %100 compatible with yours. Also consider that maybe I am a happy person, it's just you that are unhappy with my comments. Without a diarrheic trail of emoticons after every "joke" it can be hard for some people to tell.

I mentioned the wrap thing because wrapping is getting to be pretty popular these days. I've never seen a carbon fibber wrap, but faux gold and silver are pretty popular so why not?

Personally, I'd go for plaid.

[Sparky]

You should just wrap the whole car. That would be hilarious.

Hahhhaha..you finally replied oh mr serious I just might  & I would be happier then you at the end of the day oh I mean track master

Edit... Looks so good you have to admit...?

You should consider the possibility that I do have a sense of humor and maybe it just isn't %100 compatible with yours. Also consider that maybe I am a happy person, it's just you that are unhappy with my comments. Without a diarrheic trail of emoticons after every "joke" it can be hard for some people to tell.

I mentioned the wrap thing because wrapping is getting to be pretty popular these days. I've never seen a carbon fibber wrap, but faux gold and silver are pretty popular so why not?

Personally, I'd go for plaid.

Ha, I am Celtic so plaid/tartan does make sense.

Also fair enough man, i am sure you are a pleasant guy but your replys come off pretty negative at times, I won't judge and I will drop this silliness, but not the carbon fibber.

[FiftyQuid]

$14 worth... so if I do the math right that's about 500 yards square you have to use.  Once you're done the car will you start wrapping the house?  The garage door in carbon fibber would look like hot snot I bet! 

[Bernie]

Fifty. I really like the sig!!   

Carry on.