Ebay Caution: scam/repro seller "thewarriorsedgegaming"

bob · 08/10/2015, 01:47 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 01:31 PMI am going to add this as well, looking at that poster in that link it looks to be the one i made it was smaller just like that one.
It was initially a give away to F-ebay club members but I later got inquiries from other solid members here and I hooked up a few with my left over outputs.

Well look who else I helped out…. Madboom and Ninja16608 ((blush)) they bought stickers and had the post count and bought a few of my inserts and inquired if I had any map repros. They only bought a couple of maps and the poster and like i said in my manual insert sell thread i do not want to see these on ebay.

<<sigh>> Madboom are those the inserts and posters I sold to you & your friend???

Was it even stated in the auction these were copies?? I think I am going to stop making this paper stuff, even though they do have disclaimers.

i feel bad

yeah...sounds like the old, simpler method of using post count just doesn't cut it anymore. This place ain't the same as it was a couple years ago. Too many ass clowns find themselves with 300, 500, 1000+ posts and still offer nothing. They really don't deserve to get all the blood/sweat/tears that the community pumps out.
Maybe the blanket statement of: Anybody with a reg date after 10/14/2012 can suck estebans left one?

esteban · 08/10/2015, 01:48 PM

Le Shitbaguette d'jour:

Madboom
Ninja

PCEngineHell · 08/10/2015, 01:50 PM

Muther fuckin ninjas always have to ruin shit for everyone else.

sirhcman · 08/10/2015, 01:53 PM

Nulltard for president! free lifetime DoxPhile plugs from here on out!!

seriously: that is some really shady stuff, i can't believe someone would do that in good conscience. hopefully the buyer can get paypal involved and get his money back. i had a friend who was sold an autographed item outside of ebay. he sent to psa to get it authenticated and psa said it was fake. seller continued to say it was real but paypal sided with my friend and the psa report and he got his money back.

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Miracle_Warrior · 08/10/2015, 02:01 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 01:31 PMi feel bad

Don't feel bad Sparky, not your fault at all. Professor, thanks for remaining objective throughout this; I know you had your reservations at first, and rightfully so, but I'm glad the community is now aware at least and can be a little less ignorant than I was.

I would file a Paypal claim, but I've already agreed to sell the Beyond Shadowgate to a member here. At least he will be able to enjoy it at a discount

. I still have M and M III. Yes, I will take a loss in the end, but like you said, this isn't the stock market. It's not about the money per se, it's the dishonesty that bothers me. He could have just been upfront about it and I would have still bought them, just wouldn't have paid nearly as much as I did.

A partial refund would be the best solution in my opinion, but I have zero hope that Ninja will follow through on something like that. He had his chance to do so when this was just between him and I and chose to play the "I didn't know...and it's too late" card instead. What a shame.

escarioth · 08/10/2015, 02:05 PM

this is quite a sad turn of event

how far can these people go just to get some more money...
just say the truth and everyone will be happy seller/buyer

damn.. now it will spead doubt like a disease with many items

Sparky · 08/10/2015, 02:15 PM

Did your M& M III have a repro map Miracle Warrior? can you send me a picture of it and is there a disclaimer on it.

Again would like to here from Madboom on this before the bus rolls on.
And it does say on the link it is a high-res scan, was that later added or never put on the originall listing?

Edit: Sorry that was your listing Miracle Warrior, selling it and being straight up honest

wish there was links to the one you bought.

PCEngineHell · 08/10/2015, 02:18 PM

Quote from: Miracle_Warrior on 08/10/2015, 02:01 PMA partial refund would be the best solution in my opinion, but I have zero hope that Ninja will follow through on something like that. He had his chance to do so when this was just between him and I and chose to play the "I didn't know...and it's too late" card instead. What a shame.

Unless I am missing something again, cause I am old and senile, after Sparky just came forward with the post above and buried Madboom and his pal in their bullshit, I seriously doubt you will be offered a partial. They have just been 100 percent completely exposed as scammers basically.

As for remaining objective and having reservations, it tends to be the best approach until a complete picture of the situation is presented. I appreciate the fact you had come forward with the complete details. It's cool if sometimes someone needs a proxy to help resolve their situation. But in Nulls case, he simply rushed this out, and there was a whole lot more that needed to be said/shown then what his initial post had done. Basically amounts to him being in a hurry to do the right thing and not thinking it all the way through before posting. No harm, no foul at this point.

I am glad you opted to let the game go to a member here in a private sale. That is extremely cool of you. I missed the tidbit about you getting the second copy of the game. Or maybe I didn't, I was trying to wind down my reading here last night for a bit so I could watch the season finale of True Detective, so odds are I read that part and it just didn't register with me.

At this point Madboom and Ninja should just go get fucked and be banned or something. Even if Ninja does a partial refund at this point, it is obvious that a legit scam took place. What was already suspected, that Ninja got the items incomplete himself and he just wanted to jack the price up by adding in repro stuff, Sparky just confirmed that 100 percent. This forum shouldn't harbor scammers, because they can still drop pm's to noobs looking for games months from now who wont know about this situation. I call for a ban. Can they be banned Necro?

PCEngineHell · 08/10/2015, 02:24 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 02:15 PMDid your M& M III have a repro map Miracle Warrior? can you send me a picture of it and is there a disclaimer on it.

Again would like to here from Madboom on this before the bus rolls on.
And it does say on the link it is a high-res scan, was that later added or never put on the originall listing?

Edit: Sorry that was your listing Miracle Warrior, selling it and being straight up honest
wish there was links to the one you bought.

Did the maps have disclaimers on them Sparky? If so, where, and what did they say exactly? It is possible they could have had your map/posters reproduced too, and edited out your disclaimer. I mean the next best thing to trying to use a scan on the net to make a repro is to have some kind of source material in person to copy from. So I could see them buying yours just to reproduce them for future copies they plan to sell.

CrackTiger · 08/10/2015, 02:25 PM

Here's the recent M&MIII auction I mentioned:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-3-for-the-Turbo-Grafx-DUO-English-U-S-version-/111733529896?hash=item1a03d65d28

I don't buy the disclaimer of "the map and insert look original to me, but I'm not responsible because I bought it secondhand".

The edges of one side of the map have unfilled gaps. I'm guessing that everything is either Sparky repro packaging or repros of his repros.

Even if you don't think the seller is being dishonest, someone is still flipping Sparky's stuff.

sirhcman · 08/10/2015, 02:26 PM

Quote from: Nulltard on 08/10/2015, 02:23 PM
Quote from: agent_orange on 08/10/2015, 01:47 PMMaybe the blanket statement of: Anybody with a reg date after 10/14/2012 can suck estebans left one?
...

dick.

lmfao!

escarioth · 08/10/2015, 02:37 PM

Quote from: CrackTiger on 08/10/2015, 02:25 PMHere's the recent M&MIII auction I mentioned:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-3-for-the-Turbo-Grafx-DUO-English-U-S-version-/111733529896?hash=item1a03d65d28

I think M&M III is originally in a double case ....am i wrong ?

Miracle_Warrior · 08/10/2015, 02:38 PM

I will get photos of the map tonight for sure, but I am almost certain it looks just like the one in the sale that Tiger posted.

CrackTiger · 08/10/2015, 02:39 PM

Quote from: escarioth on 08/10/2015, 02:37 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 08/10/2015, 02:25 PMHere's the recent M&MIII auction I mentioned:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-3-for-the-Turbo-Grafx-DUO-English-U-S-version-/111733529896?hash=item1a03d65d28
I think M&M III is originally in a double case ....am i wrong ?

Yes, but back tray liners/inserts in double disc cases are the same as single disc jewl cases.

Sparky · 08/10/2015, 02:48 PM

fuck, i need to look at my remaining outputs at home to be sure, what was on what, but that M&M poster could be,

these listing pictures make it hard to tell original to copies at times, ya i think it is best at this point to stop doing the paper stuff unless you are a long term member and i will help you out.

Pricing is so fucked right now that even repro stuff add more money to games on ebay. Really sad and i am done with the paper pieces.

spine label stickers i will still make, and will keep my Manual inserts thread but will update stipulations.

EDIT: Sorry guys, i appreciate the kind words that i should not feel bad but i do, these were never meant to get to ebay and help inflate prices, fuck, It was to help fill the holes on games that were already over priced when they were not complete.

escarioth · 08/10/2015, 03:11 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 02:48 PMSorry guys, i appreciate the kind words that i should not feel bad but i do, these were never meant to get to ebay and help inflate prices, fuck, It was to help fill the holes on games that were already over priced when they were not complete.

i'd feel the same way,

your products looks very well made and i think it be a shame to lose them

but .. again..if they're being used for reselling purpose by others..

it makes me so furious right now

your stuff was for helping this community exclusively.
grrr.. how dare they make profit of this

schweaty · 08/10/2015, 03:14 PM

i want to thank everyone for the cardiac event that had me scrambling to my shelf to inspect my recently acquired copy of beyond shadowgate. the dog and cat, and possibly neighbors will never look at me the same way again.

BTW - luckily mine is legit

bob · 08/10/2015, 03:21 PM

any/all talk about MMIII makes me hate DK even more.

LostFlunky · 08/10/2015, 03:36 PM

Quote from: agent_orange on 08/10/2015, 03:21 PMany/all talk about MMIII makes me hate DK even more.

MMIII makes me mad too - my kids tried to sand a concrete floor with my CD...

SignOfZeta · 08/10/2015, 05:02 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 02:48 PMfuck, i need to look at my remaining outputs at home to be sure, what was on what, but that M&M poster could be,

these listing pictures make it hard to tell original to copies at times, ya i think it is best at this point to stop doing the paper stuff unless you are a long term member and i will help you out.

Pricing is so fucked right now that even repro stuff add more money to games on ebay. Really sad and i am done with the paper pieces.

spine label stickers i will still make, and will keep my Manual inserts thread but will update stipulations.

EDIT: Sorry guys, i appreciate the kind words that i should not feel bad but i do, these were never meant to get to ebay and help inflate prices, fuck, It was to help fill the holes on games that were already over priced when they were not complete.

I don't think you should quit exactly, just make them completely different from the legit ones so that they are obviously not real. It wouldn't be hard at all to make better inserts than most of these games came with. Get rid of the bar code, shrink those gigantic-ass logos down a few dozen percent, see if you can find higher quality elements. Then put "Copyright Obey 2015" on it.

You could also just copy Tobias's work.

As for the scamming business, it's a shame so many people have lowered themselves to this and that they unrepentantly cook up excuses for their scams. It would be nice if they just got real jobs and contributed something to society, but that's much harder so I guess this is what we get.

I had some stuff to say about pirate shit, but I'll start another thread for it.

Miracle_Warrior · 08/10/2015, 07:22 PM

And here are the pictures. I feel like such an idiot. This is a Sparky reproduction.

PCEngineHell · 08/10/2015, 07:32 PM

Ehh you were lied to, and it is something you overlooked. Just use it as a learning experience for future purchases.

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Seriously Madboom and Ninjacuntfacethewarriorsedgegaming, have you two no shame? There is no excuse for this what so ever. You both are 100 percent busted. Can these two clowns not be banned?

Sparky · 08/10/2015, 07:38 PM

Well at least that is cleared up man, and we know who did it.
So again, it was never stated in the listing this was a repro? My god it is right on it, shady mc-shades they are.

BigusSchmuck · 08/10/2015, 07:49 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 07:38 PMWell at least that is cleared up man, and we know who did it.
So again, it was never stated in the listing this was a repro? My god it is right on it, shady mc-shades they are.

Terrible. I would say maybe make that disclaimer HUGE or in big red text. That way no one can miss it. Still though, that's super scammy if I say so myself.

Miracle_Warrior · 08/10/2015, 07:51 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/10/2015, 07:38 PMWell at least that is cleared up man, and we know who did it.
So again, it was never stated in the listing this was a repro? My god it is right on it, shady mc-shades they are.

Nope, it wasn't mentioned at all. Further, the prices the games were listed for on Ebay were just slightly better than other BINs. Nothing lead me to believe that some of the contents were repros. Like professor said, lesson learned.

CGQuarterly · 08/10/2015, 07:51 PM

I'll be interested to see whether or not either of those two clowns ever post here again.

PCEngineHell · 08/10/2015, 07:54 PM

They may not, but they may browse the sale sections and look for noobs posting about wanting to buy games, and drop them pms. This is why they need to be banned outright, as opposed to being allowed to lurk here still.

SignOfZeta · 08/10/2015, 08:04 PM

Another thing regarding inserts:

These new people who are getting into TG-16...like every single day there is a new guy who played one TG-16 game in 1989 and now, like a Manchurian Candidate freshly activated, suddenly needs to own every single game made for it...those guys...they don't keep their stuff very long, you know? The shit gets dumped and regouged really quick. So quick in fact that a buyer may re-sell his game before it's even arrived in the mail from the guy that sold it to him! Remember that one fuck that had a complete US collection, sold it all, and then completed it again? What are the chances that guy still has any of it still? When you collect like a damned vacuum cleaner some details are likely to be missed. He wasn't opening or playing the stuff of anything. How would he know?

Now, it's established that these guys knew what they were doing, but unless the inserts are really obviously different it's for sure that a few copies of the game will be converted to "original CD with reprint back insert" to "original" at some point. The guy that got scammed here was in a prime situation to do this himself accidentally.

CrackTiger · 08/10/2015, 08:10 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/10/2015, 08:04 PMAnother thing regarding inserts:

These new people who are getting into TG-16...like every single day there is a new guy who played one TG-16 game in 1989 and now, like a Manchurian Candidate freshly activated, suddenly needs to own every single game made for it...those guys...they don't keep their stuff very long, you know? The shit gets dumped and regouged really quick. So quick in fact that a buyer may re-sell his game before it's even arrived in the mail from the guy that sold it to him! Remember that one fuck that had a complete US collection, sold it all, and then completed it again? What are the chances that guy still has any of it still? When you collect like a damned vacuum cleaner some details are likely to be missed. He wasn't opening or playing the stuff of anything. How would he know?

Now, it's established that these guys knew what they were doing, but unless the inserts are really obviously different it's for sure that a few copies of the game will be converted to "original CD with reprint back insert" to "original" at some point. The guy that got scammed here was in a prime situation to do this himself accidentally.

That same guy just sold a set of PCE homebrew games for double what the hombrwers themselves are currently selling them for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbografx-Pc-Engine-Duo-Cd-Lot-Mysterious-Song-/161777777131?hash=item25aab4f9eb&nma=true&si=XDOok22p53%252F4TjVe%252FM7qK1OFt08%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

It seems like the pro-collectards are much more likely to delve into shady crap, all while championing the natural "fair market" b.s.

NightWolve · 08/10/2015, 08:40 PM

Quote from: CrackTiger on 08/10/2015, 08:10 PMThat same guy just sold a set of PCE homebrew games for double what the hombrwers themselves are currently selling them for.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbografx-Pc-Engine-Duo-Cd-Lot-Mysterious-Song-/161777777131

It seems like the pro-collectards are much more likely to delve into shady crap, all while championing the natural "fair market" b.s.

Would that be the same handicapped fellow quoted in your sig ?? ;)

escarioth · 08/10/2015, 11:20 PM

wow. just wow.

cjameslv · 08/10/2015, 11:41 PM

Damn im gone for one day and i miss some real man sh_t! Wow this is a shame to see. What a pair of f_cking losers. Glad you brought this to light Nulltard!

MotherGunner · 08/11/2015, 01:38 AM

"Them Motherfuckers..."

Opethian · 08/11/2015, 09:19 AM

never liked either of these faggotiers when they joined. was too suspicious they were cock stroking each other in "bro dealz" early in their career I wouldn't be surprised if its all one guy...

PCEngineHell · 08/11/2015, 09:53 AM

I was kinda wondering if they were the same guy myself...

MotherGunner · 08/11/2015, 10:03 AM

To add: "Re-pop"...

ToyMachine78 · 08/11/2015, 10:16 AM

Quote from: CrackTiger on 08/10/2015, 02:25 PMHere's the recent M&MIII auction I mentioned:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-3-for-the-Turbo-Grafx-DUO-English-U-S-version-/111733529896?hash=item1a03d65d28

I don't buy the disclaimer of "the map and insert look original to me, but I'm not responsible because I bought it secondhand".

The edges of one side of the map have unfilled gaps. I'm guessing that everything is either Sparky repro packaging or repros of his repros.

Even if you don't think the seller is being dishonest, someone is still flipping Sparky's stuff.

That is a listing from Keith Courage. His eBay ID is TurboGrafxfan.

Sparky · 08/11/2015, 12:31 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/11/2015, 10:16 AM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 08/10/2015, 02:25 PMHere's the recent M&MIII auction I mentioned:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Might-and-Magic-III-3-for-the-Turbo-Grafx-DUO-English-U-S-version-/111733529896?hash=item1a03d65d28

I don't buy the disclaimer of "the map and insert look original to me, but I'm not responsible because I bought it secondhand".

The edges of one side of the map have unfilled gaps. I'm guessing that everything is either Sparky repro packaging or repros of his repros.

Even if you don't think the seller is being dishonest, someone is still flipping Sparky's stuff.
That is a listing from Keith Courage. His eBay ID is TurboGrafxfan.

Awesome, he bought these bits off of me, and won a Dragon slayers map in a raffle so keep an eye out. He makes mention of the M&M manual insert being a repro in the listing but not the inlay i made for him and i do not recall if i sold him the repro map, so that could be original but i doubt it.

Anyway of all the people i have helped out and sent inserts and maps to this is the first time i have seen them up on ebay, so that is a pretty good percentage but it is that 1 or 2 percent that ruin it for everyone.

EDIT: it is not that it is just up on ebay, people are not being fourth coming about what is real and what is not. I do not want to see these on ebay but if they appear and people are honest it takes the sting away.

Quote from: Keith Courage on 09/08/2012, 01:19 PMAwesome!!! I'd like to buy

Dungeon explorer II insert
Magical Chase Insert
Might and Magic III Insert
Exile wicked Phenomenon outer sleeve

Also, any chance that you could also make a rear insert for Might and Magic III? I ended up buying a copy of the game that came with no case at all.

Miracle_Warrior · 08/11/2015, 12:49 PM

Those outer sleeves for Exile look fantastic Sparky, I can see them showing up too.

PCEngineHell · 08/11/2015, 01:04 PM

Oh god dammit. Seriously, Keith is passing off Sparky stuff as legit too? Say it aint so.....

esteban · 08/11/2015, 01:10 PM

Arseholes.

LostFlunky · 08/11/2015, 01:17 PM

This thread is making me sad.

PCEngineHell · 08/11/2015, 01:26 PM

Ditto....

o.pwuaioc · 08/11/2015, 01:33 PM

I know no one has brought out the pitchforks just yet, but perhaps wait until KC presents his side? That PM to Sparky was three years ago. Maybe something happened in between.

PCEngineHell · 08/11/2015, 01:39 PM

Keeping fingers crossed.

ToyMachine78 · 08/11/2015, 02:47 PM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 08/11/2015, 01:04 PMOh god dammit. Seriously, Keith is passing off Sparky stuff as legit too? Say it aint so.....

As sparkles said, the listing notes that the insert is repro, but was inconclusive regarding the liner and map. From the pics, the map doesn't appear to have the "not official" mark on it as the other map does posted earlier. Someone earlier mentioned the case itself is wrong. Its supposed to be a double correct?

So for me... If the case is wrong and the insert is repro.... I would err on caution and assume that the whole package is repro.

Sparky · 08/11/2015, 02:51 PM

hey Keith has done a lot around here and is a good guy, If i am wrong i will be the first to apologies.
and the other side had the "not official" mark.

look bottom line, these games are fetching way over $100, so you have to tell about all the details.
Makes me look bad in my eyes as people are thinking it is real and i made the damn fake.

BigusSchmuck · 08/11/2015, 02:52 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/11/2015, 02:47 PM
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 08/11/2015, 01:04 PMOh god dammit. Seriously, Keith is passing off Sparky stuff as legit too? Say it aint so.....
As sparkles said, the listing notes that the insert is repro, but was inconclusive regarding the liner and map. From the pics, the map doesn't appear to have the "not official" mark on it as the other map does posted earlier. Someone earlier mentioned the case itself is wrong. Its supposed to be a double correct?

So for me... If the case is wrong and the insert is repro.... I would err on caution and assume that the whole package is repro.

Too confusing. Someone bought it anyway. I would say wait on Keith to say his bit..

schweaty · 08/11/2015, 02:59 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/11/2015, 01:33 PMI know no one has brought out the pitchforks just yet, but perhaps wait until KC presents his side? That PM to Sparky was three years ago. Maybe something happened in between.

i dont want to pile on, but i did msg him thru ebay on 3 Aug (4 days before the auction ended) to tell him that back insert was more than likely repro. the listing was not updated and i didnt get a response.

escarioth · 08/11/2015, 03:16 PM

i'm very sad for anyone who fell for their trap.
abusing members AND those on ebay.

how pathetics..

i wasnt being very cautious about anything turbografx/pc engine related.
i will be carefull from now on

better keep a sharp eye