Showing off the PCFX to Playstation or Saturn owners?

JoshTurboTrollX · 01/19/2017, 01:47 PM

If you had to pick the most graphically impressive PCFX titles, what would you recommend?

I want to "wow" some of my Sony and Sega fanboys friends...

Is it just Zenki?

Sarumaru · 01/19/2017, 02:37 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 01/19/2017, 01:47 PMIf you had to pick the most graphically impressive PCFX titles, what would you recommend?

I want to "wow" some of my Sony and Sega fanboys friends...

Is it just Zenki?

Well, unless these guys like their anime style shits, they may not be too impressed. But I mean, you got titles like Zenki and Zeroigar which would be givens. But you also have the cool battle animation games like Battle Heat and Tengai Makyou: Karakuri Kakutouden too which is pretty tits imo. Most other stuff like Farland series and Pia Carrot can be found on those other systems.

Firewoman Matoi Gumi is an interesting RPG. Yuna FX is also a cool title with interesting battle scenes but very dialogue heavy. Another interesting hidden gem within the game First Kiss Monogatari is a mini game called Hunex Fighters 98. Makes me wish this was a full fledged game. As it is, it's the closest the PC-FX has come to a 2D fighter.

ClodBusted · 01/19/2017, 05:11 PM

Just show them Pia Carrot and silently leave the room for twenty minutes. This will do for a lasting impression.
Don't forget to wipe the screen and controller thoroughly afterwards.

exodus · 01/19/2017, 05:43 PM

whoa, I didn't know about the hunex fighter thing! I'm gonna have to get that...

Sarumaru · 01/19/2017, 06:45 PM

Quote from: exodus on 01/19/2017, 05:43 PMwhoa, I didn't know about the hunex fighter thing! I'm gonna have to get that...

That little mini game is the reason this game is more expensive than it should be!

Also, if you want to show them a game for a reaction and LULZ, show therm this travesty:

JoshTurboTrollX · 01/20/2017, 09:29 AM

HAHAH!! Oh, All Japan Pro!! So awfully awesome!

I always enjoyed Power League FX and Last Imperial Prince as far as games that look really nice and are playable without nihongo knowledge.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/20/2017, 12:26 PM

Show them Team Innocent, Nirgends, Blue Breaker, Boundary Gate, and basically, if that doesn't do it for them, which it probably wont, just give up.

There's also Zenki and Zeroigar, but, lets be honest here,

PSX and Saturn takes hot dumps all over the FX's chest. That's what happens when you have a <70 game library to try and show off.

SignOfZeta · 01/20/2017, 03:28 PM

If they love the PlayStation just hand them the FX pad and show them what a real controller is.

If they love the Saturn just show them the FX console so they can see how a console should really look.

By all means do NOT turn the FX system on because nothing it runs will impress someone who has Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter and Metal Gear Solid.

In all seriousness the FMV fighters really are probably your best bet. Zenki looks like a turd next to Guardian Heroes and Zeroyger is no In the Hunt. For some reason FMV fighters in the style of Battle Heat and Tengai Makyou are rare to non-existent on other systems. I can't think of any but I assume there is some PlayStation deep cut made the same way.

NecroPhile · 01/20/2017, 03:36 PM

I gotta agree with Zeta. As much as I like my PC-FX, there's really nothing that'll knock their socks off after they've been playing the best the Saturn and Playstation have to offer. The FMV games are the most unique but the aren't all that fun, and much of the lineup is cross platform (with not all that many differences between versions) or games that aren't all that much better than a great 16 bit title.

SamIAm · 01/21/2017, 04:48 AM

One of the more insightful Japanese reviews I've read of the PC-FX talked about how it not only lacked a killer app, but it didn't even have a game that you would be excited to show your friends.

elmer · 01/22/2017, 04:33 PM

Quote from: SamIAm on 01/21/2017, 04:48 AMOne of the more insightful Japanese reviews I've read of the PC-FX talked about how it not only lacked a killer app, but it didn't even have a game that you would be excited to show your friends.

Errr ... yep. What he said.

As much as I love something like Zeroigar for its story-telling ... it doesn't do anything that's going to impress a Saturn owner.

Now, if the machine had gotten the 3D add-on that's in the PC-FXGA, then perhaps it could have given the Saturn a run for its money ... but it didn't.

I've seen little on the machine that really stretches the 2D capabilities that the documentation says that it has ... like multiple 256-color layers, or putting the sprites into 256-color mode.

Team Innocent is one of the few (that I've seen) that actually uses a 256-color background, and then the developers were too-darned-lazy to write a good-looking software-scale so that the single main sprite wouldn't jump up/down in size by 4-pixels, or to use 256-color mode for the sprites, or possibly to use a 2nd 256-color layer for the talking-heads.

It's like nobody even made an effort to really use the machine.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/23/2017, 10:35 AM

Quote from: elmer on 01/22/2017, 04:33 PMIt's like nobody even made an effort to really use the machine.

Sure they did. The problem is, the games focused on the PC-FX's excellent FMV hardware, as they kind of marketed the machine as that sort of box.

And, banking on FMV was a bad idea, because it didn't catch on.

Sort of like what happened with Sega CD in USA, lol.

The only game I enjoy showing friends is Zenki. and Boundary Gate, but, other than that it's like "yeah this is a game machine for weirdos"

SignOfZeta · 01/23/2017, 12:22 PM

As has been said before, nevermind competing with SS and PS the FX can't even hold a candle to PCE. Not even close. A system like that will have a hard time continuing to exist.

You'd think they would have made at least a few actual game for the thing. I'm not sure what happened. Hudson clearly didn't have their heart in it since they actually did really well in the 32-bit era with completely different sorts of games on other systems.

elmer · 01/23/2017, 01:26 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 01/23/2017, 12:22 PMAs has been said before, nevermind competing with SS and PS the FX can't even hold a candle to PCE. Not even close. A system like that will have a hard time continuing to exist.

Do you mean the comparison in terms of the games and 3rd-party developer support vs the PCE?

The PC-FX hardware itself is much better than the PCE. It's actually a nice machine.

When Sony entered the console business, it sent ripples through the development industry ... and there sure wasn't room in the marketplace for a 4th-place console where NEC had already shown that it didn't have a clue about supporting developers.

Quote from: guest on 01/23/2017, 10:35 AMSure they did. The problem is, the games focused on the PC-FX's excellent FMV hardware, as they kind of marketed the machine as that sort of box.

And, banking on FMV was a bad idea, because it didn't catch on.

'cmon dude ... I just pointed out how Hudson didn't even push the machine with their own Team Innocent launch title that was supposed to interest people in buying the machine.

16-color sprites with jerky scaling and a bland 16-color HUD/interface don't make the machine look impressive.

The hardware is capable of more.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/23/2017, 02:13 PM

Quote from: elmer on 01/23/2017, 01:26 PM'cmon dude ... I just pointed out how Hudson didn't even push the machine with their own Team Innocent launch title that was supposed to interest people in buying the machine.

16-color sprites with jerky scaling and a bland 16-color HUD/interface don't make the machine look impressive.

The hardware is capable of more.

Please re-read what you quoted from me, and try again.

Mainly, the "banking on the FMV" part.

...which has nothing to do with scaling, sprite depth, and HUDs.

Also, 16 color sprites is plenty of colors for anime-cutouts.

My point is that the focal point of basically every FX game is the

FMV HARDWARE

Every game is basically some ho-hum strategy/RPG/digital comic that cuts into really cool FMV sequences, before returning to mediocrity, for the most part.

and many of the games are only interesting if you like whichever show it is that the game is from.

JoshTurboTrollX · 01/23/2017, 04:23 PM

I think the key here is to show my tinkering friends the actual tower. Opening it up and brag about the potential for expansion and gush over the memory card slots.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 01/20/2017, 03:28 PMBy all means do NOT turn the FX system on because nothing it runs will impress someone who has Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter and Metal Gear Solid.

It's true

But, I did laugh out loud when I read that! haha.

Sarumaru · 01/23/2017, 06:50 PM

Had the PC-FX come out earlier like it should have (considering how early development had started) the system would have had another leg to stand on but Hudson didn't want to interfere with PCE game sales. Which is sad, had they released it sooner, we would have had a larger library of games. We would have had an animated Tengai Makyou 3 game instead of the 3D mess that Namida was for the PS2. Not to mention other titles like Hi-Ten Bomberman (which Hudson later reused elements from for Saturn Bomberman) and Reds Winds of Thunder FX. On top of all that, the decision ruined the relationship that the two companies had. PC-FX had great potential, it was just too little too late.

Long story short, show them all Hentai.

Michirin9801 · 01/27/2017, 12:26 AM

Honestly, I can't help but to think that the Saturn is the real spiritual successor to the PC engine...
I mean, think about it, both the PCE and the Saturn were a bit of a flop outside of Japan, but in Japan they were pretty successful, the Saturn has a load of shmups, just like the PCE, the Saturn had some of the better 2D arcade conversions, just like the PCE, the Saturn had a cartridge slot that took memory expansions for its CD games, just like the PCE, and the Saturn had some of the better 2D fighting games, not quite like the PCE, but I think we can all agree that the PCE at least had better fighting games than the Genesis...
Also, Saturn Bomberman is a thing, and so is Cotton 2, you know, not-too-different libraries...

Sarumaru · 01/27/2017, 12:50 AM

Quote from: Michirin9801 on 01/27/2017, 12:26 AMHonestly, I can't help but to think that the Saturn is the real spiritual successor to the PC engine...
I mean, think about it, both the PCE and the Saturn were a bit of a flop outside of Japan, but in Japan they were pretty successful, the Saturn has a load of shmups, just like the PCE, the Saturn had some of the better 2D arcade conversions, just like the PCE, the Saturn had a cartridge slot that took memory expansions for its CD games, just like the PCE, and the Saturn had some of the better 2D fighting games, not quite like the PCE, but I think we can all agree that the PCE at least had better fighting games than the Genesis...
Also, Saturn Bomberman is a thing, and so is Cotton 2, you know, not-too-different libraries...

I agree with you, Michiharus. The Saturn got updated versions of many PCE titles too. Many Hudson IP's we loved on the PCE like Yuna, Tengai Makyou, Momotarou and Bomberman. Some of the TGL titles like Variable Geo and Steam Hearts (which is MUCH improved on the Saturn). Asuka 120%, Seiya Monogatari, Ys and a bunch of other shit that I am sure I missed.

But with all that said, I still take a liking to the PC-FX. Not more so than the Saturn, but it has charm...

Arkhan Asylum · 01/27/2017, 05:29 AM

The PCFX had the better design of all 3 machines. It's too bad they didn't just like, put the Saturn in the PC-FX and go "OK DONE."

Michirin9801 · 01/27/2017, 12:32 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/27/2017, 05:29 AMThe PCFX had the better design of all 3 machines. It's too bad they didn't just like, put the Saturn in the PC-FX and go "OK DONE."

Yeah that's pretty much the whole point, the PC-FX Should have been the Saturn...

Quote from: Sarumaru on 01/27/2017, 12:50 AMBut with all that said, I still take a liking to the PC-FX. Not more so than the Saturn, but it has charm...

I just got into the PC-FX recently because I wanted to play Yuna FX, so I've downloaded some of the non-ero games for the system like Zenki, Zeroigar, Team Innocent and Chip-Chan Kick, to name a few, but the thing is that while the PCE Yuna games were so easy that I could beat them both without understanding jacks***, In Yuna FX I got stuck in the very first battle, so I gave up and went to play this Akazukin Chacha game which I got just because I'm a fan of the show, but it's like a board game which plays scenes from the show every time something happens, and the answer to everything that happens is pretty much always the "Beauty Serene Arrow" just like it was in the show, and it plays the full transformation scene every time, just like in the show, because we just gotta have that padding right? (Thankfully you can skip it)
Yeah no thanks... When it comes to Chacha games, I'm sticking with the shmup for the X68000...
Needless to say, I got bored of it pretty quickly and went to play Chip-Chan Kick because I hear it's similar to Parasol Stars, and it's a Cybertech Custom game, their games are usually 'okay', but with really awesome music, but well, the music in this one is pretty forgettable... (I blame the CD audio, it will never beat chiptunes!) At least the gameplay is better than pretty much all their other games, and there isn't any poorly aged 16-bit hentai in it as far as I'm concerned, which is good because I'm not the least bit interested in dithered low-res tiddies...

I haven't yet played Zenki or Zeroigar, I'm saving them for later when I'm in the mood to play something other than Dragon Quest VIII again, also, I'm kinda busy working on something so I'm not playing much of anything lately...

(Note: I do know a little bit of Japanese, like just enough to navigate menus and know what I'm doing, what I don't quite understand is what is going on in the story and what the characters are saying...)

Arkhan Asylum · 01/27/2017, 01:09 PM

If you don't like dither titters, the FX is basically not worth turning on, lol.

I like Can Can Bunny. That shit rules.

Michirin9801 · 01/27/2017, 01:59 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/27/2017, 01:09 PMIf you don't like dither titters, the FX is basically not worth turning on, lol.

Which is why I downloaded the non-ero games =w=';
I know they're the tiny minority, but I pretty much do the same thing for PC-98...
The difference is that PC-98 is worth it because YM2203/YM2608, also, it has more action games and shmups...
Flame Zapper Kotsujin on its own makes the whole system worth it lol

Arkhan Asylum · 01/27/2017, 02:19 PM

Yeah, PC98 has way more non-porn games, and even some of those are actually fun, like Alantia.

PC-FX barely has games in the first place, and the action games are all kinda hohum.

Try ruruli rarura. Its like "wow this is dumb", lol.

it feels like shareware.

Michirin9801 · 01/27/2017, 03:44 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/27/2017, 02:19 PMYeah, PC98 has way more non-porn games, and even some of those are actually fun, like Alantia.

PC-FX barely has games in the first place, and the action games are all kinda hohum.

Try ruruli rarura. Its like "wow this is dumb", lol.

it feels like shareware.

And there are even some action games with NSFW scenes in them, such as V.G.2 and Night Slave for example, where you can turn off the CG and enjoy just the action game, and others such as Valkyrie the Power Beauties where you can avoid the hentai by just picking "No" any time the game asks you "Yes" or "No" because that's when it's going to show you porn, and if you pick "No" you're avoiding it...

Night Slave is amazing btw, it's one of the extremely few PC-98 games that pulls off (relatively) smooth horizontal scrolling, and also one of the even fewer games that uses 3 action buttons instead of just 2, it's a pretty good 2D mech game with a super-catchy FM-Funk-esque soundtrack, I love it! But if you try and play it for the 16 bit porn, you'll be waiting for a while because the VN cutscenes in it take FOREVER! And personally, I think it gets in the way of the gameplay...

I remember hearing about Ruruli Rarura on a Game Sack video but I don't remember what game it was... I'll check it out some time if I don't forget about it in 5 minutes...

SignOfZeta · 01/27/2017, 03:48 PM

Regarding the Saturn being the real PCE2 (and the DC beyond that): I made a website (back when people still did that) that outlines that very concept.

wayback://thewhiteline.org

Michirin9801 · 01/27/2017, 04:33 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 01/27/2017, 03:48 PMRegarding the Saturn being the real PCE2 (and the DC beyond that): I made a website (back when people still did that) that outlines that very concept.

wayback://thewhiteline.org

Just read it a little, very nice stuff!

SignOfZeta · 01/27/2017, 09:51 PM

Apparently I made that a decade ago...

Arkhan Asylum · 01/28/2017, 01:10 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 01/27/2017, 09:51 PMApparently I made that a decade ago...

hahaha you're old.

shit I made Insanity like almost a decade ago.

fuck.

SignOfZeta · 01/28/2017, 02:00 AM

That reminds me, I haven't been to the Cleveland show in...at least three years.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/28/2017, 04:20 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 01/28/2017, 02:00 AMThat reminds me, I haven't been to the Cleveland show in...at least three years.

You've not missed much really. Except for our cooler version of the AbCard.

It's been the same shit.

elmer · 01/28/2017, 04:44 PM

Quote from: Michirin9801 on 01/27/2017, 12:32 PMI haven't yet played Zenki or Zeroigar, I'm saving them for later when I'm in the mood to play something other than Dragon Quest VIII again, also, I'm kinda busy working on something so I'm not playing much of anything lately...

(Note: I do know a little bit of Japanese, like just enough to navigate menus and know what I'm doing, what I don't quite understand is what is going on in the story and what the characters are saying...)

Well, just don't forget to apply the translation patch to Zeroigar before you play it, you'll find it a lot more fun when you can understand the story.

Then, when you've beaten it, you can play through in Sakuraigar mode and see a whole different take on it.

Michirin9801 · 01/28/2017, 06:27 PM

Quote from: elmer on 01/28/2017, 04:44 PM
Quote from: Michirin9801 on 01/27/2017, 12:32 PMI haven't yet played Zenki or Zeroigar, I'm saving them for later when I'm in the mood to play something other than Dragon Quest VIII again, also, I'm kinda busy working on something so I'm not playing much of anything lately...

(Note: I do know a little bit of Japanese, like just enough to navigate menus and know what I'm doing, what I don't quite understand is what is going on in the story and what the characters are saying...)
Well, just don't forget to apply the translation patch to Zeroigar before you play it, you'll find it a lot more fun when you can understand the story.

Then, when you've beaten it, you can play through in Sakuraigar mode and see a whole different take on it.

Thanks for the tips! ^^
I'll keep that in mind...

Arkhan Asylum · 01/29/2017, 09:36 AM

sweet use of quote tags, dork

lol

Michirin9801 · 01/29/2017, 12:52 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/29/2017, 09:36 AMsweet use of quote tags, dork

lol

Talk as if you never make mistakes =w=';
It's fixed now...

Arkhan Asylum · 01/29/2017, 12:54 PM

Quote from: Michirin9801 on 01/29/2017, 12:52 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/29/2017, 09:36 AMsweet use of quote tags, dork

lol
Talk as if you never make mistakes =w=';
It's fixed now...

lol. its just funny when people screw up the quote tags. I noticed it's been happening more frequently here.

I blame Facebook.

Michirin9801 · 01/29/2017, 02:07 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/29/2017, 12:54 PM
Quote from: Michirin9801 on 01/29/2017, 12:52 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/29/2017, 09:36 AMsweet use of quote tags, dork

lol
Talk as if you never make mistakes =w=';
It's fixed now...
lol. its just funny when people screw up the quote tags. I noticed it's been happening more frequently here.

I blame Facebook.

I don't have a Facebook though, I think it's the scum of the internet >w>
Nor do I have a Twitter btw, or Instagram, or tumblr, or anything, I only have a Youtube channel because that's where I share the stuff I make...

Arkhan Asylum · 01/29/2017, 02:17 PM

I just meant people forgot how to use quotetags because fb just uses reply buttons and magic happens.

Lol.

Screw tumblr. That place is rough.

JoshTurboTrollX · 01/30/2017, 03:20 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/29/2017, 02:17 PMI blame facebook for all my problems.

True Story.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/30/2017, 05:11 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 01/30/2017, 03:20 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/29/2017, 02:17 PMI blame facebook for all my problems.
True Story.

bitch please.

FB made people forget how to use the internet correctly, lol.

People are legit so lazy now, they won't even register for a forum or post a picture anywhere but FB since FB lets you shitpost immediately. The extra step of uploading a picture to a dropbox or something makes people go UGH TOO HARD FUCKIT.

its comical, to say the least.

JoshTurboTrollX · 01/31/2017, 09:53 AM

Quote from: guest on 01/30/2017, 05:11 PM
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 01/30/2017, 03:20 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/29/2017, 02:17 PMI blame facebook for all my problems.
True Story.
FB made people forget how to use the internet correctly, lol.

Most people that use FB aren't the same people that sat on IRC with you back in the day. Stop thinking everyone is as smart as you.

Dumbass...

xcrement5x · 01/31/2017, 03:12 PM

They quoting systems is easy to mess up if you:
1) Have a couple nested quotes
2) Are using the quick reply
3) Just want to fire off a quick comment and are not paying attention

I've done it myself plenty of times, normally just gotta catch it before someone calls you out on it

esteban · 01/31/2017, 04:43 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/31/2017, 03:12 PMThey quoting systems is easy to mess up if you:
1) Have a couple nested quotes
2) Are using the quick reply
3) Just want to fire off a quick comment and are not paying attention

I've done it myself plenty of times, normally just gotta catch it before someone calls you out on it

Correct. I have tainted opening/closing quote tags with random letters I typed in too-impulsively.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/31/2017, 05:18 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/31/2017, 03:12 PMThey quoting systems is easy to mess up if you:
1) Have a couple nested quotes
2) Are using the quick reply
3) Just want to fire off a quick comment and are not paying attention

I've done it myself plenty of times, normally just gotta catch it before someone calls you out on it

They got this preview button that is effectively the equivalent of proof reading. Once you press post, you see your own post, anyways lol. Its not like you can't see that you messed up when you just have this big blob-o-gray.

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 01/31/2017, 09:53 AMMost people that use FB aren't the same people that sat on IRC with you back in the day. Stop thinking everyone is as smart as you.

Dumbass...

but, IRC doesn't use simple tagging. lol.

DUMBASS.

xcrement5x · 02/02/2017, 02:37 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/31/2017, 05:18 PM
Quote from: guest on 01/31/2017, 03:12 PMThey quoting systems is easy to mess up if you:
1) Have a couple nested quotes
2) Are using the quick reply
3) Just want to fire off a quick comment and are not paying attention

I've done it myself plenty of times, normally just gotta catch it before someone calls you out on it
They got this preview button that is effectively the equivalent of proof reading. Once you press post, you see your own post, anyways lol. Its not like you can't see that you messed up when you just have this big blob-o-gray.

Ahh, but that's not actually the case. At least not for me.

After I click post, in a quick reply I'm immediately taken back to the sub-forum which contains the topic I have just posted in. I don't see what I just typed unless I click back into the thread and scroll back to the end.

NecroPhile · 02/02/2017, 02:54 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2017, 02:37 PMAhh, but that's not actually the case. At least not for me.

After I click post, in a quick reply I'm immediately taken back to the sub-forum which contains the topic I have just posted in. I don't see what I just typed unless I click back into the thread and scroll back to the end.

There's a setting in your profile for "Return to topics after posting by default."

Arkhan Asylum · 02/02/2017, 03:29 PM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 02/02/2017, 02:54 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/02/2017, 02:37 PMAhh, but that's not actually the case. At least not for me.

After I click post, in a quick reply I'm immediately taken back to the sub-forum which contains the topic I have just posted in. I don't see what I just typed unless I click back into the thread and scroll back to the end.
There's a setting in your profile for "Return to topics after posting by default."

I never set this. its just always been like this.

I like staying where I'm at to see if things went right.

xcrement5x · 02/02/2017, 04:49 PM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 02/02/2017, 02:54 PM
Quote from: guest on 02/02/2017, 02:37 PMAhh, but that's not actually the case. At least not for me.

After I click post, in a quick reply I'm immediately taken back to the sub-forum which contains the topic I have just posted in. I don't see what I just typed unless I click back into the thread and scroll back to the end.
There's a setting in your profile for "Return to topics after posting by default."

You've just changed my life for the better!

Arkhan Asylum · 02/02/2017, 05:13 PM

FUCK YEAH. SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE AND SHIT?

YOU LEARN A THING

AND A STUFF HAPPENS

TheClash603 · 02/02/2017, 08:18 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2017, 05:13 PMFUCK YEAH. SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU MAKE FUN OF PEOPLE AND SHIT?

YOU LEARN A THING

AND A STUFF HAPPENS

There should be more bullying, this is proof!