Wii wishes it was PcEngine

Turbo D · 08/11/2007, 04:48 AM

So, I noticed that the wii wishes that it was the pcengine. It had its innards designed by nec and it put itself in a small white box around the size of a pcengine. If that weren't proof enough, It made itself backwards compatible with pcEngine games. Yup, its true.

Joe Redifer · 08/11/2007, 05:43 AM

It's not backwards compatible. I put my PCE CDs in there and they do not play. Instead I am left to play boring Wii games or to pay to download games I already own (wow, GREAT idea!)

Hell my Wii that I purchased in February already needs to be sent back to Nintendo for repair due to video defects.

Kitsunexus · 08/11/2007, 09:49 AM

The Wii is for suckers.

lbblue · 08/11/2007, 10:07 AM

Anyone unhappy with their Wii : I'll be more than happy to take it off your hands.

esteban · 08/11/2007, 11:37 AM

Quote from: lbblue on 08/11/2007, 10:07 AMAnyone unhappy with their Wii : I'll be more than happy to take it off your hands.

Same here.

nat · 08/11/2007, 12:11 PM

My friend runs the highest grossing GameCrazy store in the US and they are getting a shipment of Wiis on Tuesday, one of which he will put aside for me. Yay me! I guess that's only special because technically they are not allowed to do that (first come, first serve).

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/11/2007, 05:43 AMHell my Wii that I purchased in February already needs to be sent back to Nintendo for repair due to video defects.

What kind of video defects are you experiencing, Joe?

GUTS · 08/11/2007, 03:23 PM

Probably really, really bad graphics and horrible gameplay, but I think those are defects that all Wii owners are experiencing.

Keranu · 08/11/2007, 03:26 PM

Quote from: GUTS on 08/11/2007, 03:23 PMProbably really, really bad graphics and horrible gameplay, but I think those are defects that all Wii owners are experiencing.

At least us Wii owners can actually play our consoles, unlike say, our 360 owners

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Joe Redifer · 08/11/2007, 06:58 PM

We can't play our consoles when there is nothing worthwhile to play! That's like having a working Ford Pinto on a boat out at sea.

Keranu, chaoticjelly is looking for you. See the NES controller thread in the Turbo repair forum. Jesus christ where have you been? And since you feel that nothing should ever be moderated, I'll just throw this out there: You god damn fucking son of a fuck ass! Your mom is a whore and she had anal sex with George W Bush last night. Fucking fuck fuck!

Nat:
Vertical black lines comprised of flickering dots at random spots around the screen. This is a known issue at Nintendo and there are even Youtube videos of people experiencing it.

CrackTiger · 08/11/2007, 07:48 PM

I had a single vertical line of dots appear on screen while playing Air Zonk. But there were also a couple other glitches too. Otherwise, I haven't had any problems other than the ugly scanlines in Zelda.

Joe Redifer · 08/11/2007, 08:32 PM

My lines appear everywhere, even on the Wii menu. The lines are in different places depending on what the Wii is doing. For example on the News Channels they are more collected toward the center of the screen. I haven't played any games since there are none worth playing, but I imagine they show up in games as well. Regardless, Nintendo offered to replace the Wii outright, but I said I'd rather try and keep what is saved in the backup RAM since I have 99 Miis in there. So I have to send my Wii to Nintendo (they pay shipping).

Black Tiger, your problem will likely get worse. Be sure to send it in before a year is up!

TR0N · 08/11/2007, 11:13 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 08/11/2007, 09:49 AMThe Wii is for suckers.

Sure is why else is it getting lot's of newbies to join here

gundarN · 08/12/2007, 01:42 AM

At least the Wii is getting you kids playing real games (or at least downloading them).

I don't have a Wii as I already have a PC Engine...

Joe Redifer · 08/12/2007, 02:27 AM

I've heard that the PCE/TurboGrafx emulation on the Wii sucks horrendous monkey ass.

TR0N · 08/12/2007, 02:34 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2007, 02:27 AMI've heard that the PCE/TurboGrafx emulation on the Wii sucks horrendous monkey ass.

That, it does with all at dot crawl and crappy scanlines 'it makes your eyes bleed

Turbo D · 08/12/2007, 08:38 AM

Some dude put up a video online of a split screen comparison of wii and turbografx bomberman. You guys probably already saw it though, haha. For those who haven't here it is;

If you look closely, you can tell that the turbo version is superior. The wii version seems brighter, but its only because it lacks all the different colors and effects of the original.

SignOfZeta · 08/12/2007, 09:19 AM

Um...I must be blind because I can't see any meaningful difference at all. Probably because Youtube video quality is so shitty.

CrackTiger · 08/12/2007, 06:29 PM

Quote from: turbo D on 08/12/2007, 08:38 AMSome dude put up a video online of a split screen comparison of wii and turbografx bomberman. You guys probably already saw it though, haha. For those who haven't here it is;
If you look closely, you can tell that the turbo version is superior. The wii version seems brighter, but its only because it lacks all the different colors and effects of the original.

The Wii version seems brighter because it is brighter. You need an S-Video or better mod to see the real image quality of the original game.

The main difference in general between Wii VC versions and the original games on real hardware is that VC games use an awful blurring filter and have distorted audio.

Bomberman '93 VC however, is missing the rumble animation of the building in the intro, has a new bomb sound effect and a gameplay addition.

Joe Redifer · 08/12/2007, 10:09 PM

Which version are we listening to on the Youtube video? I know any emulation which the HORRIBLY SHITTY Digital Eclipse works on always has shitty sound effects because they just can't seem to get the sound emulation correct on anything they do. Digital Eclipse is comprised of underskilled amateurs. They must be really cheap to hire, because Konami and Capcom keep using them to make their broken arcade emulation collections.

CrackTiger · 08/12/2007, 11:16 PM

YouTube changes the audio quality when it converts the video.

Here's an mp3 of Bomberman 93 VC's title screen music.

Joe Redifer · 08/12/2007, 11:21 PM

Alright, now post the Turbo version of the same audio so we may contrast and compare.

PS - The TurboGrafx-16 is better than the Wii. Always will be. And I'm talking the whole system, not just the Virtual Console. FACT!

CrackTiger · 08/12/2007, 11:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2007, 11:21 PMAlright, now post the Turbo version of the same audio so we may contrast and compare.

PS - The TurboGrafx-16 is better than the Wii. Always will be. And I'm talking the whole system, not just the Virtual Console. FACT!

The title screen isn't the best example, other than the new bomb sound effect. Here's the Turbo version. The battle music better contrasts the two, since the VC version stutters in spots.

I've got something in the works that'll shed light on the difference in sound quality (hopefully) very soon.

Joe Redifer · 08/12/2007, 11:39 PM

I don't think that's a new sound effect. I think it's the same one, just bad emulation. It's a synth sound, not a digitized one. Still better than what Digital Eclipse usually does with their low standards. Did Hudson write their own PCE emulator for the Virtua Console?

Turbo D · 08/12/2007, 11:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2007, 11:21 PMThe TurboGrafx-16 is better than the Wii. Always will be. And I'm talking the whole system, not just the Virtual Console. FACT!

I second that

gundarN · 08/13/2007, 03:21 AM

I guess I'm not the only person who gets a little crestfallen when the Digital Eclipse logo appears when I first start a game up.

Turbo D · 08/13/2007, 06:13 AM

I don't think that I've played games by them, but then again, I don't own the wii, haha.

CrackTiger · 08/13/2007, 07:36 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/12/2007, 11:39 PMI don't think that's a new sound effect. I think it's the same one, just bad emulation. It's a synth sound, not a digitized one. Still better than what Digital Eclipse usually does with their low standards. Did Hudson write their own PCE emulator for the Virtua Console?

Well, even if its not a newly crafted effect, its the same difference since it sounds noticibly different. Its almost the same, except in a higher overall pitch with other distortions. Like a voice clip changed from a man's voice to a woman's.

TR0N · 08/13/2007, 11:07 PM

Quote from: gundarN on 08/13/2007, 03:21 AMI guess I'm not the only person who gets a little crestfallen when the Digital Eclipse logo appears when I first start a game up.

Heh i know i do since there emulation isn't all ways perfect.

Still take,what ya can get for collections these days for old games.

I wish they would put more "effort into it though they are lazy about it...

Joe Redifer · 08/14/2007, 01:39 AM

Their emulation is never perfect.

Black Tiger, the sound can best be described as the same, only different.

Keranu · 08/14/2007, 06:39 PM

I wish I was a PC Engine.

Keranu · 08/14/2007, 07:18 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/11/2007, 06:58 PMWe can't play our consoles when there is nothing worthwhile to play! That's like having a working Ford Pinto on a boat out at sea.

Are Virtual Console games not worthwhile to play and is YouTube-ing on the Wii not a good idea? Beats paying even more for a console that won't even boot up or for a console that will make you go broke. ;) In the end, we should all own Pippin Atmarks though.

Quote from: Joe RediferKeranu, chaoticjelly is looking for you. See the NES controller thread in the Turbo repair forum. Jesus christ where have you been? And since you feel that nothing should ever be moderated, I'll just throw this out there: You god damn fucking son of a fuck ass! Your mom is a whore and she had anal sex with George W Bush last night. Fucking fuck fuck!

chaoticjelly (what a cool name!) sent me a PM that I responded to awhile back. Do you have a video of my mother with Bush? If so, UPLOAD!

nat · 08/14/2007, 08:07 PM

Is your mom hot?

nat · 08/19/2007, 03:51 AM

No comment, huh?

Anyway, I just bought a Wii today. I paid $30 extra to extend the warranty from 1 year to 2 years. Just in case.

I haven't set it up yet, however.

Turbo D · 08/19/2007, 06:08 AM

I will buy the wii when animal crossing wii comes out

sooo, is that guys mom hot?, haha, j/k

nat · 08/19/2007, 02:42 PM

I set it up last night/early this morning.

I played a bit of Wii Sports and I'm really digging the controls. It's such a different experience than other video game systems. They should have kept the name "Revolution" though. Wii. What the fuck is that? Fucking retarded, that's what.

However, my first impressions on unpacking the box were.... what the fuck? My friend bought an XBOX 360 a couple weeks ago and of course it came with a component video cable included. So naturally, seeing as this is 2007, I expected S-VIDEO at the very least. It didn't even cross my mind the Wii would come with anything less. But no. The Wii comes with a vintage composite video cable.

Video quality aside, this is a problem because the only remaining inputs I have free are component. So now I have to physically "share" VIDEO4's composite input with the Dreamcast and plug/unplug cables all the time depending on what system I'm playing. What a fucking pain.

I already have a full 4-way S-VIDEO switcher on VIDEO1, and a full composite switcher on VIDEO2.

The Wii uses some goofy proprietary connector on the console end like all Nintendo systems after the NES. Can I buy a component video cable with this connector somewhere?

Joe, you're a videophile and you own a Wii. What did you do?

Keranu · 08/19/2007, 03:51 PM

Quote from: nat on 08/19/2007, 02:42 PMI set it up last night/early this morning.

I played a bit of Wii Sports and I'm really digging the controls. It's such a different experience than other video game systems.

I love Wii Sports. One of the best modern games I've played, seriously. It's simple and fun like games were back in the day, except it has it's own modern edge.

Quote from: flyThe Wii uses some goofy proprietary connector on the console end like all Nintendo systems after the NES. Can I buy a component video cable with this connector somewhere?

Not sure if you know tihs, but the previous Nintendo connectors won't work on a Wii as far as I know, even though they look the same.

SignOfZeta · 08/19/2007, 05:30 PM

QuoteHowever, my first impressions on unpacking the box were.... what the fuck? My friend bought an XBOX 360 a couple weeks ago and of course it came with a component video cable included. So naturally, seeing as this is 2007, I expected S-VIDEO at the very least.

S-Video is being phased out, not in. I'm pretty sure there has never been a game machine in history that came with an s-video cable, so I have no idea why you would expect such a thing.

QuoteIt didn't even cross my mind the Wii would come with anything less. But no. The Wii comes with a vintage composite video cable.

The 360 is a $400 system made at a massive loss, the Wii is a $250 system that comes with a game, and is made at a small profit. The 360 is made for nerdball otaku that have money to blow on the latest of everything because they have no girl, the Wii is made for families that spend all that cash on gas for the minivan they can't afford to make payments on. You won't get the same stuff. Most people do not have a free component connector on their TV. If they even have one at all, its taken up by a DVD player, or an older game system.

QuoteVideo quality aside, this is a problem because the only remaining inputs I have free are component.

You might be the only one in the world with this problem.

QuoteSo now I have to physically "share" VIDEO4's composite input with the Dreamcast and plug/unplug cables all the time depending on what system I'm playing. What a fucking pain.

Why the fuck are you playing the DC in composite when s-video, and more importantly VGA, are availible? Does your TV not have VGA input? This is 2007, as you pointed out, get with the program!

QuoteThe Wii uses some goofy proprietary connector on the console end like all Nintendo systems after the NES.

Yes, just like the PS, PS2, PS3, Saturn, Dreamcast, Megadrive 2, Xbox, XBox 360, Jaguar, etc etc. Game systems rarely come with standard sockets.

QuoteCan I buy a component video cable with this connector somewhere?

Gee, do you think, maybe? You can buy 3rd party ones for $10. Try that on a 360.

MrFulci · 08/19/2007, 07:15 PM

SignofZeta,

I wouldn't say S-Video is in the process of being phased out. As long as there are composite/RCA video connections on Televisions, the S-video will be around, for the most part. Nearly any recent manufactured television i've seen, that features the 3 RCA inputs, also features and S-Video input.

I don't see S-Video going anywhere, 'til HDMI and similar are on every television.

Soemthing I related to television that I see as in the process fo being phased out, are CRT displays. I'm curious, 5 years from now how much percentage of total televisions will be CRT's.

Anyway, it's not too surprising to me that a budget system (Wii) included the minimum video connection. More money can be spent by the purchaser to acquire a better connection, which means more money for Nintedo.

Though released years ago, I don't recal any of the PS2's or Gamecubes including anything other than composite video connection.

Joe Redifer · 08/19/2007, 07:16 PM

Quote from: natJoe, you're a videophile and you own a Wii. What did you do?

OMG! D00d!!!!!! wat r u thinking? hurry ur azz to here or here and git u-self hi-kwality cablz at insane prices LOL! Seriously though, monoprice is very good. They are insanely cheap and the build quality of their cables is very high. Their Wii component cables are probably better than Nintendo's (which is what I have and cost $30 I think). I bought my component cables before I even bought a Wii. Don't forget to go into the system settings and enable 480p once you have it all hooked up.

Turbo D · 08/19/2007, 07:23 PM

wow, those prices are super good

Keranu · 08/19/2007, 07:54 PM

Zeta made a good point; I can't think of any consoles that came with s-video! That seems weird to me!

CrackTiger · 08/19/2007, 08:48 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 08/19/2007, 07:54 PMZeta made a good point; I can't think of any consoles that came with s-video! That seems weird to me!

I guess Keranu's never seen a PC-FX (or Neo Geo CD).

The PS3 comes with composite.

nat · 08/19/2007, 10:44 PM

Zeta is being a smartass.

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 08/19/2007, 05:30 PM
QuoteHowever, my first impressions on unpacking the box were.... what the fuck? My friend bought an XBOX 360 a couple weeks ago and of course it came with a component video cable included. So naturally, seeing as this is 2007, I expected S-VIDEO at the very least.
S-Video is being phased out, not in. I'm pretty sure there has never been a game machine in history that came with an s-video cable, so I have no idea why you would expect such a thing.

My PC-FX came with S-VIDEO.

And composite is older than S-VIDEO. Why hasn't that been phased out yet?

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QuoteVideo quality aside, this is a problem because the only remaining inputs I have free are component.
You might be the only one in the world with this problem.

That may be, but it's still a problem!

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QuoteSo now I have to physically "share" VIDEO4's composite input with the Dreamcast and plug/unplug cables all the time depending on what system I'm playing. What a fucking pain.
Why the fuck are you playing the DC in composite when s-video, and more importantly VGA, are availible? Does your TV not have VGA input? This is 2007, as you pointed out, get with the program!

I haven't had the Dreamcast long... It has one of those stupid proprietary connectors, too, so I haven't gotten around to getting a cable that will work with S-VIDEO.

And no, my TV does not have VGA input. It's only a little more than a year old, too, so it's doubtful I'll be getting a new one anytime soon.

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QuoteThe Wii uses some goofy proprietary connector on the console end like all Nintendo systems after the NES.
Yes, just like the PS, PS2, PS3, Saturn, Dreamcast, Megadrive 2, Xbox, XBox 360, Jaguar, etc etc. Game systems rarely come with standard sockets.

No, game systems rarely come with standard sockets anymore. Shitloads of systems came with them from the 32-bit era backwards.

And if you ask me, they all still should.

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 08/19/2007, 07:16 PMOMG! D00d!!!!!! wat r u thinking? hurry ur azz to here or here and git u-self hi-kwality cablz at insane prices LOL! Seriously though, monoprice is very good. They are insanely cheap and the build quality of their cables is very high. Their Wii component cables are probably better than Nintendo's (which is what I have and cost $30 I think). I bought my component cables before I even bought a Wii. Don't forget to go into the system settings and enable 480p once you have it all hooked up.

Thanks Joe, I'll check it out.

Joe Redifer · 08/19/2007, 10:49 PM

The original 3DO came with an S-video jack. The Wondermega came with an S-video jack.

SignOfZeta · 08/19/2007, 11:00 PM

Quote from: guest on 08/19/2007, 08:48 PM
Quote from: Keranu on 08/19/2007, 07:54 PMZeta made a good point; I can't think of any consoles that came with s-video! That seems weird to me!
I guess Keranu's never seen a PC-FX (or Neo Geo CD).

The PS3 comes with composite.

I used to have a Neo CD (second model), and I'm pretty sure it had no s-video cable with it. I think it had the connector on the back, but still, that's not a cable.

As for the PC-FX coming with s-video, I'll take your word for it. With as many weird fucked up stupid things that are true of the PCFX, I'm not surprised.

Keranu · 08/20/2007, 12:22 AM

Quote from: guest on 08/19/2007, 08:48 PM
Quote from: Keranu on 08/19/2007, 07:54 PMZeta made a good point; I can't think of any consoles that came with s-video! That seems weird to me!
I guess Keranu's never seen a PC-FX (or Neo Geo CD).

The PS3 comes with composite.

Of course I have! I don't remember my PC-FX coming with s-video though. I think Xiphas' Neo Geo CD did come with s-video on the other hand, but I'm not sure.

CrackTiger · 08/20/2007, 12:36 AM

I think that the only reason S-Video got skipped over as a default connection is that consoles started using general-cable-connection-out dohickies like the SNES by the time many TVs even supported it.

And console makers are so cheap, that the 360 is the only system to ever ship with anything packed-in above composite (even Core package comes with composite).

nat · 08/20/2007, 06:53 PM

I got my Wii hooked up to the 'net via my Mac's AirPort card. Yay me!

Now to download some VC games....

nat · 08/25/2007, 02:42 AM

I downloaded my first VC game: Space Harrier II. It's been the better part of 10 years (at least) since I last played through this game, or played it at all for that matter. But that's only because it was around '97 or '98 I left my Genesis outside in a box at my dad's house and all the metal components had rusted by the time I picked it up and tried to use it again. The years gone by have managed to form a nostalgic spot in my heart for the game despite the fact it pales in comparison to the original (or even the TurboGrafx port of the original). A great game by any means, however, though it lacks the difficulty of the original. Still, I feel it was $8 well spent. Now I have a "virtual" copy I can enjoy forever, safe and secure from the threat of rust and corrosion.

I probably will never bother with any of the other systems supported by VC since I still own working versions of all the consoles. For some reason I never got around to replacing the Genesis... More than likely because there are only a handful of games I really actually love that didn't appear on other systems. Through the power of the Virtual Console and my Dreamcast I can now once again enjoy those old favorites without yet another console taking up space and precious video inputs.

Come to think of it, I lied. When they get around to releasing Magical Chase (US version) for VC I will probably splurge for the $8 download fee rather than tapping my retirement fund for an actual cart.

Joe Redifer · 08/25/2007, 03:01 AM

In Space Harrier II, try this: Play it from beginning to end on EASY difficulty (I think if you press A and Start (Genesis buttons, not Wii) on the title screen you get the menu selection). Pretty easy to beat, eh? Now go and select HARD. Play through to the end. Pretty easy to beat, eh? Oh waitaminute! Did the difficulty even change? I personally can't tell if it's any harder or not. Can you?

That game has perfect voice reproduction, though. Perfect. Not even one hint of digital artifacting.

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