tzd, dead?

Turbo D · 01/04/2008, 02:15 AM

Say it ain't so! First the sale, now the site is gone.

WoodyXP · 01/04/2008, 02:41 AM

Maybe it's just a temporary thing. I got a couple cables from them in the mail today.

Turbo D · 01/04/2008, 04:40 AM

I pictured you making the expressions in your avatar when I read your post, haha.

Kitsunexus · 01/04/2008, 04:50 AM

Quote from: turbo D on 01/04/2008, 04:40 AMI pictured you making the expressions in your avatar when I read your post, haha.

BWAHAHA! That's actually classic!

WoodyXP · 01/04/2008, 04:56 AM

ROLF

SNKNostalgia · 01/04/2008, 05:44 AM

Oh shit, they took the money. They should be sorry they took the money....... They're not sorry!!!!!!

WoodyXP · 01/04/2008, 06:23 AM

What's up with all the email addresses on the left hand side? If I were a Nigerian scammer I could have
a hay day... hahahahah..

Nazi NecroPhile · 01/04/2008, 10:24 AM

They were looking for someone to buy out the remaining stock, and maybe they were given an offer that they couldn't refuse.

nat · 01/04/2008, 11:04 AM

Quote from: WoodyXP on 01/04/2008, 06:23 AMWhat's up with all the email addresses on the left hand side?

That's very strange. My name and e-mail is on that list.

I can only assume it's the list of people who were subscribed to receive their bulk mailings.

EDIT: Ha, yeah, everyone's on that list. Aaron, Helgeson, and a few other people I know. Probably everyone here too but I don't know most of your real names. Weird-- I wonder why that list would pop up on a default server page?

Joe Redifer · 01/04/2008, 05:28 PM

I can't find me on that list. They actually can be sued for breach of privacy for this.

Keranu · 01/04/2008, 05:44 PM

I found mine (Keelan McKenna).

Nazi NecroPhile · 01/04/2008, 06:23 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 01/04/2008, 05:28 PMI can't find me on that list. They actually can be sued for breach of privacy for this.

Doubtful. There was no privacy statement given when signing up, so they have no obligation to keep contacts private. Besides, this isn't likely intentional anyway.

VestCunt · 01/04/2008, 07:27 PM

Their website has gone down before for short amounts of time, although not in the last year or two. I remember having to dig up their phone number once because the site was down for several days and I wanted to place an order.

JoshTurboTrollX · 01/04/2008, 07:34 PM

yay, I'm on the list!

Oh wait............

WoodyXP · 01/04/2008, 08:02 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/04/2008, 10:24 AMThey were looking for someone to buy out the remaining stock, and maybe they were given an offer that they couldn't refuse.

You're probably right. The front page and shopping cart have been removed, but this page still remains: http://www.tzd.com/products.php

Two signs that TZD might very well be defunct.

EDIT: I sent TZD an email and it bounced. RIP TZD!!!

PCEngineHell · 01/04/2008, 08:41 PM

Good fucking riddance. Wonder how long all our name and email info will be sitting there....

You all should check to see if you got a overt amount of spam over the past week to the listed email you have on there,I did,as did others I talked to that dealt with them. Spam harvesters most likely hit the page up since the info has been sitting there.

ParanoiaDragon · 01/04/2008, 11:09 PM

Damn, I'm on there. And.......so's David Herman!

Kitsunexus · 01/05/2008, 01:15 AM

Jeez, if you want the email info off of their site, stop bitching anD DO Something about it!

WoodyXP · 01/05/2008, 02:06 AM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 01/05/2008, 01:15 AMJeez, if you want the email info off of their site, stop bitching anD DO Something about it!

I did.

Turbo D · 01/05/2008, 02:17 AM

wow, everyone is on there. even me

WoodyXP · 01/05/2008, 02:54 AM

Quote from: turbo D on 01/05/2008, 02:17 AMwow, everyone is on there. even me

Yeah.. I sent the webmaster an e-mail asking to take them down. Hopefully that webmaster
is still alive, and cares.

SignOfZeta · 01/05/2008, 09:46 AM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/04/2008, 08:41 PMGood fucking riddance. Wonder how long all our name and email info will be sitting there....

You all should check to see if you got a overt amount of spam over the past week to the listed email you have on there,I did,as did others I talked to that dealt with them. Spam harvesters most likely hit the page up since the info has been sitting there.

I don't think you have a very good understanding of how spam works.

PCEngineFX · 01/05/2008, 09:56 AM

Early official word on the site is that TZD has been sold off, and all web assets have been transferred to the new owners (whoever that may be). I'm in the process of contacting Steve for a statement.

PCEngineHell · 01/05/2008, 11:03 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 01/05/2008, 09:46 AM
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/04/2008, 08:41 PMGood fucking riddance. Wonder how long all our name and email info will be sitting there....

You all should check to see if you got a overt amount of spam over the past week to the listed email you have on there,I did,as did others I talked to that dealt with them. Spam harvesters most likely hit the page up since the info has been sitting there.
I don't think you have a very good understanding of how spam works.

I know my comcast email wasn't outward public knowledge until this happened,and now it gets spam related garbage. Odd coincidence. Same case with a few others I know....Could be wrong,could be a unrelated coincidence,but then again...

PCEngineFX · 01/05/2008, 11:08 AM

Correction - Bt has stated on the Turbo mailing list that "TZD is not gone" and that "TZD is still around". To what extent and function, has yet to be determined.

PCEngineHell · 01/05/2008, 11:29 AM

Crud.

spenoza · 01/05/2008, 12:33 PM

I don't think there's a problem with them still being around. The problem is with their inability to manage their server and data correctly.

nat · 01/05/2008, 01:57 PM

Current status as it stands now on TZD:

QuoteTZD is not "gone" -- the main assets have been transferred to another party
(and the web site is rather messed up right now too), but TZD is still around.
I do not have an email contact for the new owners of the TZD domain, but
I have sent them an email about the status of their web site.

I am not sure why the email is bouncing, they perhaps do not have the new
mail server setup up yet, in the mean time you can still reach the
"old" tzd at: tzd@mindrec.com, or turbo@mindrec.com, mail to these addresses is being
re-directed to the previous manager.

VestCunt · 01/05/2008, 03:20 PM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/04/2008, 08:41 PMGood fucking riddance.

Are there any TG/PCE dealers you've had positive experiences with? Last year you were ranting about 16-Bit, D-Lite, and a laundry list of ebay sellers. I'm sorry you and/or your friend had a bad experience with TZD. From what I gather, you've had more bad online transactions than any one person should have to deal with in a lifetime and that sucks. I appreciated your post and warning about TZD, but I've been reading about it for a month now and I'm sick of it.
I've really appreciated their service over the years and I'm bummed that Steve's gone regardless of who takes over.

PCEngineHell · 01/05/2008, 04:37 PM

Quote from: guest on 01/05/2008, 03:20 PM
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/04/2008, 08:41 PMGood fucking riddance.
Are there any TG/PCE dealers you've had positive experiences with? Last year you were ranting about 16-Bit, D-Lite, and a laundry list of ebay sellers. I'm sorry you and/or your friend had a bad experience with TZD. From what I gather, you've had more bad online transactions than any one person should have to deal with in a lifetime and that sucks. I appreciated your post and warning about TZD, but I've been reading about it for a month now and I'm sick of it.
I've really appreciated their service over the years and I'm bummed that Steve's gone regardless of who takes over.

Maybe I'm sick of hearing "how much" they kept the Turbo community going (all assumptions,and giving credit to the wrong people).I also didn't like to see the comments they made about the forum members here to Keranu in email and to my friend when he attempted to get his credit card refunded. It was bad mouthing everyone one who was buying from them.Seems Steve doesn't think too highly of his "fans". Seriously,if your sick of my posting,simply skip anything with my name on it. I gave 16-bit another go,and the second time around he did really good.Dean has as of yet to let me down on any Pc Engine purchase I made from him. I never ever said Dean screwed me in a Pc Engine deal. What was going on there was related to other subjects that have also since been settled.

TZD NEVER refunded my friends credit card. The card company themselves had to. TZD was given plenty of time to fix it by way of apology,and just refund the card. This was quite a large charge,that partially wouldn't have even taken place if I had not mentioned the sale to my friend,nor if Steve had just admitted that he honestly did not have enough stock before the card was charged,ect...They had plenty of chances to do right,they didn't,so yea I'm happy they are gone.So in the same manner I will never quit being disgusted with them.

If someone completely new takes over,with fair prices,maybe starts selling new and used US and Jap titles,I would give a def go again,but in its current state I'm glad to see it gone. That last sale thing was a horrible exit method. Just because you got what you wanted from it and all went well for you doesn't mean it did for everyone else here or in in general. Also,if a new TZD opens with Lords of Thunder and Forgotten Worlds in stock,I'm going to laugh my ass off

If you're really sad to see Steve go,go light a candle,hold a vigil,pray for his comeback,and cry when it doesn't happen. Thats the best I can offer you at the moment.

nat · 01/05/2008, 05:07 PM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/05/2008, 04:37 PMgo light a candle,hold a vigil,pray for his comeback,and cry when it doesn't happen.

PCEngineHell · 01/05/2008, 05:48 PM

Quote from: nat on 01/05/2008, 05:07 PM
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/05/2008, 04:37 PMgo light a candle,hold a vigil,pray for his comeback,and cry when it doesn't happen.

Seriously,I swear... People act like they went out to ball games,ate burgers with,and raised kids with this guy they never met,the way they brag about their "good memories". Before the last screw up,business was good,I never had a issue,and TZD did point me in the right direction to Smartworks back in 94 to get Turbo Cd systems,but this is not something that filled me with joy joy memories on a personal level that I'll cherish for a life time and make me feel like I knew Steve personally.

If it wasn't for TZD I would have found other ways to get the cd systems,same for the games.Nec would have gave me Smart Works info also. Steve wasn't my friend,he was a worker/manager at a phone order store that took my info,my cash,and sent me my stuff. Its as simple as that. To anyone bragging about the good memories of Steve,can you provide pics of your hang out sessions with him,anything to show hes a great guy outside of you just buying from him? Anything not related to purchases? Anything other then just him doing his job,completing the sales,and reading you off some turbo tips from his ultra rare TurboGrafx tricks and tips book every now and then?

Kitsunexus · 01/05/2008, 06:18 PM

I WANT TO HAVE STEVE'S BABY. 0___0

WoodyXP · 01/05/2008, 09:56 PM

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Nazi NecroPhile · 01/06/2008, 12:45 AM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/05/2008, 04:37 PMJust because you got what you wanted from it and all went well for you doesn't mean it did for everyone else here or in in general.

The opposite is also true. It's not hard to understand why people with mostly positive dealings are saddened to see the disappearance of the only remaining source for new Turbo goodies.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/05/2008, 05:48 PMSeriously,I swear... People act like they went out to ball games,ate burgers with,and raised kids with this guy they never met,the way they brag about their "good memories".

And some people act like they ran over their puppy and dirty sanchezed their mother. Go light a candle, hold a vigil, and pray that you'll someday get over it.

PCEngineHell · 01/06/2008, 01:51 AM

Quote from: guest on 01/06/2008, 12:45 AM
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/05/2008, 04:37 PMJust because you got what you wanted from it and all went well for you doesn't mean it did for everyone else here or in in general.
The opposite is also true. It's not hard to understand why people with mostly positive dealings are saddened to see the disappearance of the only remaining source for new Turbo goodies.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/05/2008, 05:48 PMSeriously,I swear... People act like they went out to ball games,ate burgers with,and raised kids with this guy they never met,the way they brag about their "good memories".
And some people act like they ran over their puppy and dirty sanchezed their mother. Go light a candle, hold a vigil, and pray that you'll someday get over it.

I didn't "self create" memories of someone charging up a credit card over $150 and not refunding it. I get over alot of things,but money is one of the few things I don't get over when someone tries to rip me or a friend off. And I had ALL good dealings with TZD,which is why it pisses me off so much,why I am so bitter that the last transaction Id have with them was so botched and tainted. Not the way I like to see a long standing business go down. Def not the way I want my last experience to be with them.

Side note,I prob wouldn't think about it if the actual TZD threads stopped. My only hope is,like I said,that the new owners are cool and will rebuild it into something special,and deal with more then the basic sealed US stock leftovers.

TurboXray · 01/06/2008, 02:10 AM

Quote from: PCEngineHellI didn't "self create" memories of someone charging up a credit card over $150 and not refunding it. I get over alot of things,but money is one of the few things I don't get over when someone tries to rip me or a friend off. And I had ALL good dealings with TZD,which is why it pisses me off so much,why I am so bitter that the last transaction Id have with them was so botched and tainted. Not the way I like to see a long standing business go down. Def not the way I want my last experience to be with them.

What I don't get is why would he all of a sudden decide, "Hey, I'm going to rip off that fucker Helgeson. Yeah, and for no apparent reason. God, I love being a fucking jerk", but to no one else? The logic doesn't add up. I've seen you jump the handle here a few times, so maybe you did with him. Maybe he thought, "Man, what fucking jerk this Helgeson is. I'd normally refund my customers, but since this guy's being douche bag right off the start - I'll just ignore this inbred Arkansas ass and let him get his refund through the credit card company."

Well... that's what I would have done/said if someone was being a total fucking ass to me before I had a chance to explain and set things right. Since we don't know the other side of the argument, I guess all we can do it speculate. It's either that or Mike has some shitty luck when it comes to venders. Oh and I've never purchased from TZD before.

PCEngineHell · 01/06/2008, 02:35 AM

If you check that other thread,they charged others before getting the ok to do so after stock "ran out" . Also,it wasn't my credit card,my name wasn't attached to the order this time around on paper,just Erics,and my friend was really polite with them up until they started lying and getting caught up in shit. Its natural for someone to get pissed when they find out their card got charged in full and they were not asked if it was ok to do so after stock had run out and then to get told complete bullshit. Any questions into Erics character? Ask Dean,hes sold to him before,never a problem. Erics ebay feedback??? 100 percent with over 806 positive feedbacks:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=quoth09&ftab=AllFeedback
Trust me,its really hard to rub this guy the wrong way and piss him off over a deal,but TZD managed it.

They didn't even offer to substitute in a email,or give a courtesy call or decide to notify that there was a problem. We wouldn't have found out until TZd had actually decided to ship the package,which they also lied about doing until we informed them it would be shipped back. Not everyones last deal with them was all roses. Some people had to sub out,some just canceled their orders,but I'm sure all got their refunds for the most part. Some got kinda jerked around getting their stuff in,taking way too long,and like with Keranu,a busted TV Tuner looking used and arriving late was what he got,and to make up for it,he got to pick from left overs.

TZD wasn't a vendor. It was a order by mail/phone,then later net store located inside another store,American Pie I think it was called.Vendors sell supplies and stock to stores so the stores themselves will have items to sale at a profit.

D-Lite · 01/06/2008, 02:52 AM

Recent issues aside, since I wasn't directly involved, I have to say Steve has been very good to me outside of just purchases.

Back a few years when TZD was still going strong, I ordered something (can't remember what now...) and got to talking to Steve about the state of Turbo stuff and we somehow got around to talking about remaining Turbo Express stock he had, which at the time was quite substantial. But, he told me that he was getting worried about the stock since he was finding increasing amounts of the units were suffering from dead sound problems. He knew I was into the modding scene with PCE/Turbo stuff and asked me if I had any idea what the problem was. So he sent me two NOS Expresses that had the sound issue and that was when I found the capacitor problem and fix. At the time, Steve was sitting on roughly 70-80 dead units and if you do a quick amount of math, that's a lot of potentially lost cash. The fix was simple and dirt-ass cheap so I told him he could compensate me with some games and cover shipping.

Now you can say I saved the man upwards of $10,000-20,000 on those systems and he owed me a lot more. Well, in addition to those games, he let me keep and sell the initial systems I worked on, so that's pretty sweet, and then in some of the follow up systems I did he sent me some seriously cool/rare swag that only a distributor could get. Some hats, shirts, a new Kisado, some other odds and ends, and then the coolest of all a prototype HuCard slot to PC connector cable.

So I have to say in dealing with Steve personally for several years and through our dealings on this stuff, he was very cool to me and I appreciate it. Yes, I provided him a valuable service on this stuff, but he was more generous than he had to be and was always good to talk to about the Turbo scene. I think most of the problems we've seen as of late are a result of the death spiral TZD and it's parent company American Pie have been in. Watching your business crap itself can make you sloppy, but that's not an excuse, just a probable cause. God knows I'm not perfect but as long as things get worked out in the end I think it's forgivable.

PCEngineHell · 01/06/2008, 03:05 AM

Quote from: D-Lite on 01/06/2008, 02:52 AMI think most of the problems we've seen as of late are a result of the death spiral TZD and it's parent company American Pie have been in. Watching your business crap itself can make you sloppy, but that's not an excuse, just a probable cause. God knows I'm not perfect but as long as things get worked out in the end I think it's forgivable.

Agree,and thats what irks me so much,last deal I would do with them was so tainted. All the others were perfect or near perfect. This would have been Eric's first,which is what pisses me off more. This is why we decided to do a joint buy,but in the end both of us wished we didn't bother.

VestCunt · 01/06/2008, 03:06 AM

Interesting. American Pie is on the rocks? They sell CD's, right? I guess that makes sense.

Quote from: D-Lite on 01/06/2008, 02:52 AMI think most of the problems we've seen as of late are a result of the death spiral TZD and it's parent company American Pie have been in.

PCEngineHell · 01/06/2008, 04:14 AM

Lets take this thread into a new direction,by answering a question with yet another hidden within.

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Kitsunexus · 01/06/2008, 04:52 AM

I don't know what that thing is, but I want it!

Oh yeah, someone send this email, I dare you:

QuoteTZD YOU ARE A BUNCH OF COCKSUCKING SPINELESS MOTHERFUCKING WHORED OUT MONKEY ANUSES THAT AREN'T EVEN FIT TO LICK THE CRUST OFF MY GRANDMOTHER'S VAGINA MUCH LESS SELL VIDEO GAMES! THE ONLY THING WORSE THEN YOUR PUSSYASS EXCUSE OF A COMPANY IS YOUR INEPTITUDE AT LIFE YOU SON OF A BITCH CUMDUMPSTER! WHY DON'T YOU WANNABE OSTRICH GYNECOLOGISTS PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR CUNTS AND FUCKING GET YOUR SITE BACK TOGETHER YOU FLAMING BAGS OF RAINBOW COLORED UNICORN SHIT STAINED SEMEN-SLURPEE GUZZLING ASSFAGS!? P FUCKING S: TURBOEXPRESS OR NOT, CHARGING NEAR HALF A GRAND IS FORREST FUCKING GUMP RETARD SHIT. ARE YOU A FUCKING TAR-TAR? DOES MOMMY STRAP YOUR HELMET ON EVERYDAY SO YOU DON'T GET A CONCUSSION FROM YOUR FAG LOVER'S TESTICLES? NO? THEN FUCKING MAKE YOUR SHIT CHEAPER.

Turbo D · 01/06/2008, 04:58 AM

I don't know wtf that fur wiener is, but its cool, haha.

WoodyXP · 01/06/2008, 04:58 AM

Hahah.. I'd send that if they had more to offer. It was slim pickings when they folded.. so I'm not surprised and not really disappointed with the
happenings. It was nice having a place to go to buy some bits like new cables and PSU's.. but I'm gonna survive. It's like seeing your old beleaguered
pet get put to sleep.. it sucks.. but you're glad it's over.

SNKNostalgia · 01/06/2008, 07:10 AM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 01/06/2008, 04:14 AMLets take this thread into a new direction,by answering a question with yet another hidden within.
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Wha.... what the....what the fuck is that?

I hope it is a baby camel with its legs tucked under or else I am completely out of ideas.

awack · 01/06/2008, 07:39 AM

I think its some type of Llama.

shubibiman · 01/06/2008, 08:37 AM

Whatever the shit happened with TZD, it was about time I bought my copy of John Madden DUO CD Football and of other stuff I had been looking for for ages.

SignOfZeta · 01/06/2008, 01:22 PM

Quote from: shubibiman on 01/06/2008, 08:37 AMWhatever the shit happened with TZD, it was about time I bought my copy of John Madden DUO CD Football and of other stuff I had been looking for for ages.

Well they've had that same copy of Madden CD sitting on the shelf for something like 13 friggn years. You should have moved quicker.

Kitsunexus · 01/06/2008, 01:49 PM

Football sucks, football games are only marginally more fun than being devoured by a pack of rabid badgers.