problem with a member here attempting to profit

[quoth09]

It is of my understanding that this community frowns upon people buying games for said price, then immediately trying to profit off of said item by reselling for a higher value without the buyer knowing that they are trying to do that. I recently ran across this with a member here attempting to get almost double out of a game from me that they just purchased here not even 2-3 weeks ago. Said member also played dumb with me prior to the offer, acting like they didn't even know the game's title before. I don't really appreciate it being done to me, and given that another member of this site recently got caught doing the same thing, and the reaction to that, I think it's fair to say that other members here should know about this one.

I can understand that possibly this person is trying to make money before they leave, but we are all supposed to be friends here, not trying to take advantage of each other regardless of the situation. I'm just kinda like whatever about it personally in this specific incident, but it's one of those things that if it was any other day I would possibly be pissed off. I have other things to worry about than this right now is why. I also won't be around for about another week, so if anyone has anything to say, they can sort it out between themselves.

Either way, I wouldn't be bringing this up if I didn't have almost 100% proof, and maybe I'm wrong, but it's just too fishy, and I was told by 2 other members here to go ahead and post this, so here it is.


Member in question is Atr3yu, and the game in question is New Adventure Island for PC Engine.
EDIT:(cough cough) Takahashi Meijin No Shinboukenjima...since someone wants to be so picky about the title...New Adventure Island is not on PC Engine, only a game called Adventure Island, and that's not the same thing, it's Dragon's Curse)...anyway, onwards.


Atr3yu bought the game in this thread, from RR1980, on July 22nd:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5407.0

I get a message from Atr3yu during a transaction with him on Aug. 4th:
Well I will just pass then and I will get the manual from you. I don't need Bonk anymore as I got one in a lot from Ebay but is your Adventure Island complete. Also is it the one with the guy who throws axe's and have to get fruits?? Just asking as I bought an Adventure Island for PC Engine and it wasn't the game I was looking for as I was looking for New Adventure Island.


I reply back to him, not realizing at the time that Atr3yu was the one that purchased NAI on PC Engine in that thread, otherwise I would have been wondering why he didn't know this if he already had the game:
Manual is still available.
New Adventure Island was loose, it's sold now though, got payment for it yesterday.

But yeah, it is the one where you throw stuff and pick up fruits, ride skateboard, etc. real fun. The one on PC Engine is under it's JP name though; I forget the full name.

The title Adventure Island on PC engine is called Dragon's Curse over here in the US on Turbo.


I think I mentioned at some point in the Shoutbox that day or the day after that I missed out on RR1980's thread, because I would have wanted about half the games on there, including NAI for PCE.


I then receive this PM from atr3yu on August 6th:
Still looking for a copy of New Adveute Island for the PC Engine?? I have an extra that is complete except for the spine card. If so make me an offer as I had someone ask about it but I figured I would offer it to you first as you hooked me up.

I reply back:
?No spine card? Those didn't come with spine cards. No Hucards came with spines, only the labels on the early games that were attached the case.

Got photos of it? I may have found one a bit ago, all depends on how much yours is.

Let me know, thanks


Atr3yu replies back:
Well if no spine card then it is mint. No creases in the covers or scratches on the case. I don't have a camera ATM it is with the wife. As for a price make me an offer as I don't know what it's value it as I have seen it go for 60 on ebay in this shape but that is kinda high. I was thinking around 40 shipped but let me know as I am sure we can work something out.


So I'm thinking ok, I need to check prices and I will consider sending him an offer. The first place I go to look was RR1980's thread, because I remembered that he sold one in that thread. Damn, price is not listed, so I scroll down to see who got it...Atr3yu, or at least the message is there for it: https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?msg=95096

Immediately curious, I contact RR1980 and ask how much he sold it for. I get a reply back of $20 plus shipping.

So I write back Atr3yu later that day, and I tell him $25 shipped, and make up an excuse that someone else is offering one for almost the same price.

I get a reply back from Atr3yu: Yea I am gonna have to pass but thanks anyway. I spent 30 on this one. It's ok I have a buyer for it already. Thanks anyway.

So I give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe he got it elsewhere, and the deal with RR1980 fell through, so I contact RR1980 again:
who did you sell that New Adventure Island too anyway? Atr3yu?
Let me know, thanks.


I get a reply back from RR1980:
haha yeah how did you know? is he trying to sell it to you now? hehe



I think that pretty much spells it out. Blatantly saying 40 or 60 at first to see what I would offer on it, then I end up offering him how much he paid for it + shipping, and he wants more than that.

I will let you discuss this among yourselves, as I'm sure the situation will remedy itself without my input.

Atr3yu, maybe you got the copy you are trying to sell me elsewhere, but the situation seemed just a little bit too fishy to me, and I wouldn't be trying to profit off of someone right after I got something on the same forums I got it from. You just don't do that here. If you want to do that stuff, take it to eBay. I'm sure that the other offender that did the same thing recently will be brought up as well.


Like I said, maybe I'm wrong, but it was mentioned by at least 2 members here that I make a thread about the situation.

[Windancer]

Yeah Maybe ebay would be the place to go for this kind of behavior. I think most people here are not in it for the money. They are more into collecting and trading at fair prices and as we know Ebay has  not so fair prices. However You can find a gem every once in a while on ebay. But if a person is looking to profit from this forum I don't think they can quite get away with it as most of us know what we are looking at or choosy in our purchases. Really it comes down to each their own if someone is willing to pay the high price that's up to them but I have found patients is a virtue when buying PCE games. If the guy wants to try this stuff that's up to him but there is an ethical issue here for that kind of buying and selling at this forum. So my suggestion is this. Just break off negotiations with someone like this and be patient for the next time the game comes up. that's all I can say

[PCEngineHell]

Really this type of behavior is highly frowned upon. Count Smurfnutts tried something very similar on this forum With a Samurai Ghost he scored for 10 bucks on ebay,saying he nabbed it for way more at a local store and was trying to break even at some high up price. He got busted and had his balls nailed to a wooden post so to speak for trying to deceivingly profit off the community. Not only this,but the goal should be to try to treat fellow members here fairly and respectfully in deals,not to just wheel and deal all the time and constantly try for double profits or pit members against each other on "Best Offer" deals.

You wouldn't like it done to you,you shouldn't do it to others here. You wanna make killer profit,try your luck on ebay,not fellow members here. It saddens me to see this done,esp to a close friend by someone making a purchase from him and myself both...... Very distasteful Atr3yu..... Also,the game doesn't fetch that much on ebay either. Way off the mark there,it usually only gets $20-30 depending on who's buying. I nabbed mine for $15.00 myself.

[rolins]

When I sell items here I'm in it for money plain and simple, but I don't push my luck by trying to force ebay prices. I don't hold anything against Atr3yu for what he did, that kind of stuff happens alot. Just give him a second chance but if he makes the same mistake twice never do business again.

[PCEngineHell]

When I sell items here I'm in it for money plain and simple, but I don't push my luck by trying to force ebay prices. I don't hold anything against Atr3yu for what he did, that kind of stuff happens alot. Just give him a second chance but if he makes the same mistake twice never do business again.

He aimed well above ebay prices with his exaggerated price quote lol.

[rolins]

When I sell items here I'm in it for money plain and simple, but I don't push my luck by trying to force ebay prices. I don't hold anything against Atr3yu for what he did, that kind of stuff happens alot. Just give him a second chance but if he makes the same mistake twice never do business again.

He aimed well above ebay prices with his exaggerated price quote lol.

Yeah $60 for NAI. 
Ebay had some good prices a few years back. I snagged a sealed NAI for $40 from DreamStarsJapan, but at the time he was known by another name. Good times.

[nectarsis]

$60 for the US version complete (with box) is nuts, but for the (PCE ver.  ).

Rolins is right, most people on here have sale/trade lists to profit from, but this buy x game for x$ than double/triple or more your asking price just a VERY SHORT time latter is in poor taste, and smacks of Ebay.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I don't have as many problems with someone trying to turn a profit (though it sucks when forum members are involved in both deals), as I do with them lying through their teeth about the circumstances.  I can't say that I'm surprised though; I didn't expect much from someone that makes his gaming money via theft of services.

[Sinistron]

I think this behavior sucks ass.  Angers me to no end.  Atreyu- even Falcor thinks you blow. 



I think you've done right in reporting this Quoth- and you've done it tastefully.  I personally would've castrated this fucktart.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Falcor thinks you blow. 

No he doesn't - it clearly says 'suck'. 

[Sinistron]

same difference 

[Nazi NecroPhile]

same difference 

Hell no!  Next time a lady goes down on you, ask her to literally blow you and then tell me it's the same thing. 

[Tatsujin]

Falcor thinks you blow. 

No he doesn't - it clearly says 'suck'. 

[MissaFX]

When I play MMOs I often corner part of the market, whatever that may be.  I use countless deceptive tactics which I am pretty sure a good deal of would be illegal in a real life market.  Atreyu's interaction with you Quoth would seem perfectly fine to me if it was a person I was dealing with in a MMO.  Every dealer has their own line and even though I know it is BS most of the time, it's not like I am gonna throw that detail in their face.

However I do agree that sales within this community are different.  Not that I have any problem at all with members profiting off each other.  I just think that if you are profiting off people here, it better be because you buy 500 hucards at a time and sell off the 300 you don't end up needing at extreemly reasonable if not low prices.  Or heck, if you have a connection to get origional sealed Sapphire games for 5 dollars each, why not sell them for 40 or 50?  As long as everyone comes out ahead, there's no reason not to make a few bucks.  Any time I see a member making profit here, I do expect their prices to be low.

However I also make sure myself to be extra fair to people as a buyer when I know the seller isn't profiting in terms of making sure every cent of paypal fees is paid for etc.  Someone who I feel is making a profit can fend for themselves when it comes to fees or paying for a mailer, etc.

[SignOfZeta]

I really don't give a shit about people doing this. Its slightly annoying that Atr3yu seems to post about nearly nothing but buying and selling, but its just an irritant. Its nothing major.

[PCEngineHell]

I really don't give a shit about people doing this. Its slightly annoying that Atr3yu seems to post about nearly nothing but buying and selling, but its just an irritant. Its nothing major.

Yea,you tend to only give a shit when something is being done to you personally,or when you wanna sound good on your radio show. Thats why you lack friends here. Empathy, its something you should really work on. Quoth (me too) tried to help the guy out on other deals and the man attempted his bs. It wasn't just the lame price gouge and hoping Quoth would be stupid and bite, it was also the fact the guy kept asking people for stuff then backing out of deals, making incomplete payment,ect. Just a bunch of stuff that adds up,and Quoth and myself too were trying to still cut the guy slack and let him make purchases until he tried his shit.

[Lochlan]

So, uh, did atr3yu delete his own account or was he banned?  It's a bit of strange that his account is now gone.

[nectarsis]

He actually closed it of his own accord (which doesn't bode well)..though he did follow thru with a few trades he had going.

[WoodyXP]

At least he left on his own.  Maybe he realized the err of his ways.

[Sensei]

Seems like a hell of a lot of work to go through for $10 profit. ($15) I mean just the time it took to write the emails, research, etc.  If you spent the same amount of time doing even the lowest paying real-life job, you would make more money.

Unless there is some satisfaction in scamming people I wonder why someone would even bother.

Bad form.

[Dark Fact]

Price scalping is a practice I detest with every fiber of my being.  This is why I don't do shit like eBay.  I also can't stand people who would buy something off of one person and sell that same thing for a higher price immediately afterwards just to turn a profit.  For God's sake, if you buy something that you're not gonna use, you're just better off not buying it period. 

Unfortunately, due to the free market system online, what Atr3yu is doing is not illegal.  The guy (as much as it sickens me to say this) does have a right to do this online.  It may not be the most ethical of business practices, but it is legal.

[nectarsis]

I don't think the legality was called into question.  Poor taste, lack of morals maybe ;)

[Dark Fact]

Lack of morals is an understatement.  More like no morals.

[Sinistron]

what burns my tits about this kind of shit is that he was some noob trying to act like he was getting into the system- acting overly friendly- but he was really just here to try to dupe our little community for a few quick bucks- like we're all a bunch of stupid little moes who won't get hip to the gag.  Good riddance- though we may not have seen the last of him- it'd be no surprise for a p.o.s. like him to make a new screen name and try to pull the same shit again.  He was a red flag to me from the start though with his shimmery green avatar/banner, his Atr3yu screen name and him acting overly buddy buddy with us from day one- aside from me noticing him talking only about other systems.  Mike also said that he was on shout from jump street saying something about how he likes to steal stuff...  I don't really know the context of that but yeah- the guy's a forking weasel.

[quoth09]

I haven't said anything on this thread since it's initial posting, because I figured everything would take it's course as it usually does around here...not to mention I had to leave for a trip.

Either way, just about everyone here has had something to say; some have no problem with what he did, some consider it a crime worse than child molestation, and some have come up with some of the worst comparison examples of bullshit that have nothing to do with the same type of situation, that they would have just been smart to think prior to typing. I think it has brought up some good points, and it has shown other things as well.

This has been posted over at AtariAge, and a few people have posted on it, acting like it was posted in their forum or something.

First off, I have NO PROBLEM with people profiting off of games; within certain stipulations. Having a game for months/years then making a profit off of it - there is nothing wrong with this. I have done that myself too many times to count - and that is a completely different situation to this whole thing. An example of that would have been what I did a few months ago: I sold my entire collection of sealed PS1 duplicates. Considering that I paid only $50 for some of these back when they came out, I resold some of them for over $100, and some even went for $200. There is nothing wrong with that; that is called holding on to something for a while, then selling it - obviously certain items/collectibles go up in price. I mean look at Dynastic Hero on Turbo CD. Not to mention I am into Arcade hardware/PCBs...anyone that knows anything about that stuff knows how much the stuff sells for sometimes, and if you don't do your research, you can really get fucked. I have bought some pretty pricey boards, so I know the drill on that.

However, buying one item from someone here on the forum, then turning around immediately after, and trying to sell to another member for profit is what I have problem with, same goes for other members around here.

Atr3yu states that he paid $10 for shipping. IF that is true - maybe Atr3yu should have been looking at that prior to buying - who in the hell charges $10 for 1 game, that weighs less than a CD? That's a rip off if true, which I am questionable about...another member here supposedly bought 4 games from RR1980 and didn't get charged $10.


Secondly, I have seen Atr3yu use my sale of a loose US copy of New Adventure Island versus the complete JP PC Engine version that he was trying to sell me, as an excuse. First off, anyone that knows ANYTHING about this stuff can tell you: PC Engine games do NOT sell for the same price as US Turbografx games. What does that mean? That means that NAI on Turbo complete sells for MORE than the PC Engine version complete. It's the same way with lots of other games, and sometimes the other way around. Fine examples of this would be Bonk 3 for Turbo versus PC Genjin 3, PC Genjin 3 goes for way less, same for Dynastic Hero. The same can be said for Ninja Spirit on PC Engine, it goes for more than the US version. Why is this? Certain games didn't get as much release in the US as they did in Japan, or they are more sought after. People seem to be quick to forget that in Japan, the PC Engine did as well as the Super Nintendo, while over here in the US, everyone and their brother wanted the Super Nintendo, so the TurboGrafx had a much smaller sales footprint and niche category than the Super Nintendo did, as such, stock went untouched, unpurchased and there are less copies out there of certain titles etc. etc. I'm not going to turn this into a gaming history lesson, so just use your brain.

Summary - New Adventure Island on TurboGrafx sells for about twice as much as the PC Engine version.


Atr3yu up and leaving by closing out his account in the middle of this is plain out deserving of one word: Childish.
He didn't even attempt to stick around more than a day to explain himself, or anything else, he just ran. He ran so fast that he barely had time to read this thread probably. Supposedly he had open deals with people, and some people are saying he completed those and came through, which is the right thing to do, but I have also heard from some people that he ran off on others, so I don't know what to believe. Case in point, he had no reason to leave here unless he had something to hide.

There were plenty of people here that saw red flags out of his behavior, and it is within reason; I even saw it myself. It seemed like he was getting ahead of himself in deals, saying he wanted so and so game one minute, then backing out the next, or saying he didn't need it anymore, and not just with me. That kind of activity raises red flags with people. Also, supposedly having more than 1 eBay account does as well. It wasn't just these things, but other things as well. If you ignore your instincts that are raised upon things that you are told to watch for and things that other people have pulled in the past, then you are stupid. There is nothing bad about being enthusiastic about buying or being in the hobby, but when you start acting certain ways about trades and purchasing, and being 'funny with your money', then it raises red flags on people, especially when you supposedly just sold a bunch of other stuff, have more money coming in from stuff that is going to be sold, and can't make another payment on something when the money has been refunded to you, because it went to your bank account. I won't go into this, but the whole situation sounded funny to me, considering I know how Paypal works with balances, etc.

Also, Atr3yu's excuses I have been reading elsewhere are rather pathetic; comparing other systems as well as pack in games being overpriced...kinda funny some of the stuff he says. Leads me to heavily believe that he doesn't know what he is talking about when it comes to a lot of things, including shipping, as well as the members here. Funny that someone who closed out their account here because he was being confronted about this issue thinks he knows so much about the members here. He was here a shorter time period than I have been.

He also states that I am mad that he wouldn't sell me the game for what I wanted, er actually his exact words were: 'Only problem I have isn't even with the topic starter as he is simply mad I wouldn't sell him for what HE wanted.'

I'm going to leave that with a simple phrase that he seemed to over look that was in the first post on this thread:

I'm just kinda like whatever about it personally in this specific incident, but it's one of those things that if it was any other day I would possibly be pissed off. I have other things to worry about than this right now is why.

Yeah, I'm so angry here. I'm just filled with so much rage here that you wouldn't sell me the same exact game that I can get elsewhere, for the same exact price that I offered that I can get elsewhere also. I offered that price, because it was what you paid + $5 shipping, which is FAIR. If you paid $10 for shipping, you are stupid, and maybe you need to be talking to the person that you purchased it from. No one cares to see your Paypal receipt. Also, kinda funny that you go from naive about acting like you don't even know what the title of the game is, to having 2 copies of it a few days later, when you purchased at least one of them over 2 weeks prior to asking me what the correct title was. I could understand if you didn't like the game, but there was no reason here for you to lie about that; hell you didn't even know if it was complete or if it had a spine prior to me me saying so. What I did have a problem with is this crap of

I was thinking around 40 shipped

, trying to get me to do some fishing for a price, when you should have been saying $30 shipped, right off the bat, which I would have had no problem with, and promptly paid you, but you didn't even bother countering my offer, just plain turned it down, because you wanted to make 15$ off of me; and yeah you can say you paid $10 shipping again if you want, but I can also say again: If you paid $10 for shipping, you are stupid.
If I pay $10 for shipping on 1 or 2 Turbo games, I better be getting them for cheaper than value to even consider that; This isn't Canada to US shipping here.


Everyone else has pretty much said what needed to be said, and some people would have been better not saying anything at all. I also think that Atr3yu could have stuck around a little bit longer, as this would have blown over, and possibly turned to a different direction, because overall it seemed that people here liked him other than little things. Pretty sad to just run the other direction so quickly and not even give a valid explain, or say anything to me after wards either.

None the less, what it comes down to is that if you want to buy stuff then immediately resell it and try to make a profit or lie to people, take it to eBay or some other forum. There are plenty of suckers elsewhere. People here are not stupid. This is in place so newcomers don't get ripped off, which price gauging seems to happen more with Turbo stuff than anything else. Yeah, sure people can pay what they think something is worth, but a lot of people are sick and tired of paying so and so price for something, just because a few select elite think that it's worth something that it shouldn't be, just because they want to profit off of people that know no better, or because they have the only copies currently around. That is no way to set standards.

Either way, I'm done here.

[PCEngineHell]

ATR3YU ! ! !   I never said I was certain you never sent the money order, just wasn't certain but did state you sent proof you purchased it. However, your other problems I mentioned were what the subject was about. The fact you lied,were being deceitful and mis-representing of values, and all around time wasting on us, even after we gave you multiple chances is the problem. You coulda made right,but chose to run off. It has been suggested that due to your previous lying,ect that you may try to claim I cashed the money order (which arrived today) on different forums to make me look bad,even if I send it back,as I would have no proof I did unless I buy extra shipping,which Im not going to do.

 The alternative to this was to destroy the money order and post it publicly,thus preventing you from partaking in any lying about me,and all around just stealing your thunder and paying you back for wasting OUR time. So now you can go file a claim for the money order as not cashed,lost,ect. I have torn it up and will mail it back to you via snail mail.

So now for this communities amusement,I present THE FALL OF STARSCREAM ! ! !

[rolins]

So now for this communities amusement,I present THE FALL OF STARSCREAM ! ! !

I can't believe you actually ripped apart his MO.

[guyjin]

 










 

Also, I posted a thread about this over at atariage.
http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130223&hl=
The response seems to be that we are hopelessly naive, with one asshole even saying Atreyu should sue you/us for slander.

pcengine-fx.com > atariage.

[WoodyXP]

pcengine-fx.com > atariage.

Word life. 

[PCEngineHell]

pcengine-fx.com > atariage.

And that's why Atariage doesn't get Megatron.

[MissaFX]

The response seems to be that we are hopelessly naive, with one asshole even saying Atreyu should sue you/us for slander.

Wow, the people saying that are the exact kind of uptight idiots this world is too full off.  It's a darn shame each of 'em weren't ripped off by Atreyu.  Hopefully he will start posting there soon and reselling atari games to the lot of 'em.

I looooove the comic btw, as I mentioned last night, I just love the background.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

The response seems to be that we are hopelessly naive, with one asshole even saying Atreyu should sue you/us for slander.

Their 1.19mhz brains must not be able to decipher the thrust of this thread.  Most of us seem mostly unconcerned about the profiteering, but we can't stand the lying and price gouging.  He continues to argue that it was a fair price, but good guy 16-bit has one right now for $29 shipped and he's usually a tad high (though always great service); he also argues that he was simply 'returning the favor' to someone that had 'hooked him up', but no reasonable person would classify lying to inflate value as positive payback (and if you don't want to sell something, then don't offer).  Keep making excuses Atreyu - it's unfortunate that you didn't have the fortitude to stick around and tell your side of the story.

[Sinistron]

Seriously- I've never seen someone run away so quick- deleting his account without even one word of defense.  Cup o' guilt anyone?

Mike- that was instant classic.

[nectarsis]

Now that thread has veered directly into stupidity.  NO ONE seems to be able to read that it's not the reselling, it's the false auction/value LIES, and shady tactics.  Now he's claiming legal action for what $20-30 

A.) If mike actually sends the items...he has NO case.

B.) He can easily file a missing/lost claim on the MO.

C.) Must be a hack as lawyer to take on such a stupid case.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

B.) He can easily file a missing/lost claim on the MO.

I don't know about the Piggly Wiggly, but the USPS charges $5.20 to replace money orders.  Maybe Atreyu's going to sue for that fee and wasted postage (a.k.a. <$10).* 


* - I don't know the specifics of the transaction, but it's dirty pool to agree to a transaction and then back out of the deal after payment has been made.

[rolins]

LOL if Atreyu doesnt have his receipt, a shredded MO won't get him his refund.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

LOL if Atreyu doesnt have his receipt, a shredded MO won't get him his refund.

He's getting the pieces back, so they can still refund or reissue the money order.

[PCEngineHell]

Payment hasn't been made until I cash the money order. He will get the money order back to return to them in person,even if in pieces,he can tape it back up. I don't know what the fee is,if any,but that's his problem,not mine. He was warned basically right after he mailed said money order it would be coming back to him,so its his responsibility to keep up with that, no one else, as it could just as easily been stolen,lost, or destroyed in the mail system too. I reserve the right to deal with whomever I feel like dealing with. If I have last second reservations about a deal Im more then welcome to back out and send the payment back,torn up or not torn up,either way it wont be cashed,so if there is  a fee it would apply either way and that would simply be on him.

And for backing out on deals,Atr3yu did this plenty of times,to me,Quoth, Nectarsis,and prob others so my backing out is completely justified on all levels. He made a incomplete payment to me on some games,I refunded and asked him to make the correct payment,where he then replied he didn't have the full amount right away due to varies excuses/ reasons ...and decided a few days later he didn't even want the games,instead asking me for entirely different items. All in all,I was willing to put up with it until he pulled the last stunt with Quoth.


Also,in that thread Atr3yu is suggesting we are slandering him,which is not the case. Everything stated about his dealings with us is fact,and can be proven via the pms still on file. The only slander going on is him lying about me and Quoth implying we made it all up,ect.. about him. Atr3yu can take his made up "dream team" of imaginary legal aid and stuff it. He upset his address got posted? Tough rocks,its free public info on 411.com and if he didn't want people to know it,he shouldn't have given it to me,Quoth,or anyone else here prior,because there is nothing legally stating someone cant ask us his real name and which state he is located at,and prevent them from getting the address by public means as seen on the link below from any bit of it.

http://www.411.com/search/FindPerson?extra_listing=mixed&form_mode=opt_b&post_back=1&firstname_begins_with=1&firstname=william&name=kerby&street=&city_zip=29907&state_id=&localtime=survey

Is he publicly suggesting this community,me,Sini,Missa,Zeta,ect.. would take his info and attempt criminal actions? If so that's slanderous in its own silly manner. Also,he was pretty willing to deal with everyone before,trusting anyone with a sale thread going,no wall the sudden hes afraid of this community to even know his name... If your going to give the info out to multiple people over a variety of forums,its not private anymore,is it?

 For that matter I have the right to scan or take pictures of any mail that comes to my home addressed to me and do with as I please privately or publicly. Im not selling his personal info to criminals,nor am I providing his social security number out for profit. For that matter my name is on there too,what is there to hide? Why would he be worried people see his address unless he doesn't want the people here to know who he is maybe??? I have nuthin to hide,everyone here who matters knows me.

Atr3yu,you can stop playing victim/pity me attention whore on Atariage now. Its pathetic. No ones stealing from you or slandering you. I even stated multiple times in shout to others here you are prob a very nice person,but you simply made a bad choice with us business wise morally with the things you did. You could have just as easily stuck it out and got the problems resolved,and would have seen what all was actually said,but you chose to whine,continue to lie,and run. You still even have  a (slim) chance now to come back, apologize in public, or private, for the things you did, and be part of this community again. But hey,I doubt you will, so I guess ill be hearing from your legal pro bono "Dream Team" when I get my 40 winks tonight. Maybe I will dream up Perry Mason to be my legal aid pro bono too. Anythings possible it seems when powered on dreams and pure imagination  

[MissaFX]

him tearing and shredding a legal and binding document is another

Woah-ho-ho, Atreyu has obviously been left out in the sun too long.  A money order a legally binding document???  I highly doubt that it came in the mail shipped to Michael with Michael's signature on it anywhere, let alone in some custom area for contract clauses with the money order.  And Atreyu further admits he is now trolling pcenginefx in the AA thread, you go booooyi.

I hope he enjoys the pity party going on at AA while it lasts.

[nectarsis]

Yet he never left Mike...he has a new acct (has to because you need to be a logged in member to see the shoutbox).  Therefore he is still a part of this community he despises...

[Nazi NecroPhile]

If I have last second reservations about a deal Im more then welcome to back out and send the payment back

I'd actually assumed that Atreyu was the one that negated the transaction.  By your logic, he didn't back out of any deals here unless he asked for a refund of payment already received.  That's not something that I can agree with.

A money order a legally binding document???

It is, but it's one between the issuer and the purchaser.  I'm sure the judge will explain this to him between gavel smacks for wasting the court's time. 

[guyjin]

lawyers? for less than 40 bucks and some forum posts?

this shit is too petty even for small claims court.

[PCEngineHell]

If I have last second reservations about a deal Im more then welcome to back out and send the payment back

I'd actually assumed that Atreyu was the one that negated the transaction.  By your logic, he didn't back out of any deals here unless he asked for a refund of payment already received.  That's not something that I can agree with.

The payment isn't finalized,as it was not cashed. There was a deal in progress until I decided to decline accepting his payment/cashing it and keeping the money. I have no money in hand. You cant just spend a money order anywhere like normal cash,nor will every bank even accept them (or all types of them) due to a higher rate of money order fraud since 2006.  Also,if I had cashed it,I would still have every right to refund him,in full,but it would cost me money and time to purchase him a new money order. Since he was so unwilling or ungrateful (my opinion) to realize people were doing him favors,I had no interest in doing anymore for him.

Atr3yu backed out on the other deal with me involving Altered Beast and Truxton,where as he paid,the wrong amount,to where I refunded and requested he pay the full amount he was supposed to originally so the payment would be made properly on paypal in one amount,not split. He declined to do so for diff excuses/reasons. He stated he would buy them later in the week,but then informed me he no longer wanted them days later,but asked if he could buy other items from me.

On Quoth he worked out a deal to buy his copy of Bonk Adv from him,along with the Altered Beast and Truxton (when he remade payment to me) so he could get combined shipping. After a bit (couple days I think) he informed Quoth he changed his mind. On Nec he worked out a deal to purchase a TG deck,and then failed to make payment. As I said,these are deals he backed out on,wasting our time and risking cheating others out of the said items incase others may have wanted to get them.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

The payment isn't finalized,as it was not cashed. There was a deal in progress until I decided to decline accepting his payment/cashing it and keeping the money. I have no money in hand. You cant just spend a money order anywhere like normal cash,nor will every bank even accept them (or all types of them) due to a higher rate of money order fraud since 2006.  Also,if I had cashed it,I would still have every right to refund him,in full,but it would cost me money and time to purchase him a new money order.

I disagree and know full well how a money order works ().  I treat forum sales similarly to a sale in person (and much like ebay sales, but without the fees, ha-ha); once I've made the handshake over an agreed upon price (or sent the final PM), the deal is sealed and neither party can back out unless both agree.  If the buyer fails to promptly remit payment, then the seller's time has been wasted and a possible sale to someone else missed.  Conversely, if the seller refuses payment, then the buyer's time has been wasted and a possible purchase from someone else missed.

Since he was so unwilling or ungrateful (my opinion) to realize people were doing him favors,I had no interested in doing anymore for him.

Nor would I, but I'd finish what I started.

Atr3yu backed out on the other deal with me involving Altered Beast and Truxton,where as he paid,the wrong amount,to where I refunded and requested he pay the full amount he was supposed to originally so the payment would be made properly on paypal in one amount,not split. He declined to do so for diff excuses/reasons. He stated he would buy them later in the week,but then informed me he no longer wanted them days later,but asked if he could buy other items from me.

On Quoth he worked out a deal to buy his copy of Bonk Adv from him,along with the Altered Beast and Truxton (when he remade payment to me) so he could get combined shipping. After a bit (couple days I think) he informed Quoth he changed his mind. On Nec he worked out a deal to purchase a TG deck,and then failed to make payment. As I said,these are deals he backed out on,wasting our time and risking cheating others out of the said items incase others may have wanted to get them.

Using your logic, Atreyu couldn't have backed out of any of these deals, as he never properly paid.  If you say that it's acceptable for the seller to negate the deal at any time before shipment of the goods, then it's equally acceptable for the buyer to do the same.  That's faulty logic in my book; he wasted everyone's time, just as you wasted his by refusing payment.

[PCEngineHell]

Payment wasn't cashed,I had not accepted his money,and yes,I agree,both parties had time wasted, see my quote.

The alternative to this was to destroy the money order and post it publicly,thus preventing you from partaking in any lying about me,and all around just stealing your thunder and paying you back for wasting OUR time. So now you can go file a claim for the money order as not cashed,lost,ect. I have torn it up and will mail it back to you via snail mail.

Also,just to make a point,what if my bank would not be willing to cash this money order? In order for me to do so then I would have had to scour the city for a bank that would,and sign up for a account ( as banks wont cash money orders for non-account holders due to fraud reasons). This would be another situation where I still have no money in my hand,and the deal would not be able to be completed.

I never said backing out on him was the most morally correct thing to do,but as Quoth is my friend,and a partner on some deals, Im not inclined to continue business on any deal with a person that burns a often business partner/friend of mine,nor who burned me on a prior deal by not remaking payment when he said he would,ect.... I dont think I will have much problem finding people who agree with me on this subject either. Also,Atr3yu stated in shout it was fine to send the payment back if I wanted to. He actually stated it,in his own words,when he was confronted with the situation originally in shoutbox, saying it was up to me,my choice,and he was fine with it.

After he decided this,and made it clear he was not going to fix the situation with Quoth, that is when I decided to completely nullify our deal,not before. I did not act rashly,as I wanted to see what Atr3yu would decide to do here first. I gave him a chance to fix the problems. For that matter, its pretty simple, if I can not complete the deal with said buyer due to any reason,I either refund him in full, if payment was accepted,or return money order or check,torn up,in a envelope to the sender.

You deciding the deal is sealed and neither party can back out unless both agree is your own choice, and very understandable, as I have often completed deals with complete assholes on ebay due to feeling obligated to the finish to the bitter end,even if I didn't want to. But that doesn't fit other folks or their situations always. For that matter more is involved in ebay as there is more then just time being wasted,as fees are involved,and its a public auction where the bid by the account is the legal agreement and both members risk losing their accounts due to issues. There is much more at stake then simply saving face or being embarrassed or getting a refund.

[PCEngineHell]

Atr3yu is back under new id Spriggan.
On the Neo forums hes known as PCEFanboy for anyone that cares to know or wishes to avoid him in dealings. He still goes by his same Atariage id

[WoodyXP]

Atr3yu is back under new id Spriggan.
On the Neo forums hes known as PCEFanboy for anyone that cares to know or wishes to avoid him in dealings. He still goes by his same Atariage id

Thanks for the info.  By the way.. how do you keep track of this stuff?  Do you keep a database for internet scumbags? 

[nectarsis]

Nope some of us just get good at finding their hole filled stories ;)

[PCEngineHell]

Yea Nec spotted him first. Good eyes

[MissaFX]