Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

[Bernie]

I wonder if Rover has noticed this?

[mrhaboobi]

i wouldnt worry too much, nothing that rover can do ( aside from not sell to them next time if that's what he wanted to do ), but i wouldn't expect it to sell anyways!..   now if it sells for that price then we know the tg16 market is insane and everyone should start making RARE homebrew with a press run of 5 or less ;) actually thats what we should do, a PRETEND run of 5 or a super limited number, sell them for some stupid price on ebay, and then mass release 100's of copies after ;).. lol

[Bernie]

He has sold one at that price..  I don't get why a fellow gamer here would do that to another gamer...

[mrhaboobi]

he sold one already.. well shit thats different, i hope he donates some profits to rover

[VestCunt]

His reply.  Seems he has a reason, and isn't expecting to get 100 bucks.  wew!! 

Haha, relax. That's why the best offer is there lol. If I get 40 I'm happy. That's how much my wife paid. I know the author, nice guy. I just don't want to wind up getting it sold for .99 cents ya know? My neo xyx copy went for 20 bucks lol, but I guess that's auctions for ya.

Nope. He can't laugh this shit off by pretending he's open to offers. He's gouging on a homebrew. Period.  Rover was here selling copies for $10-20 six weeks ago. It's not even "out of print" yet, as copies are STILL available at gooddealgames.com, although most of our new members are too stupid to do a google search and realize it.

Hey... that is one of our guys here isn't it?  Why gouge it?

Yes, our very own Storino. He's always been a POS. Doesn't even know what he's talking about with the "first print run" nonsense.

[LostFlunky]

He has sold one at that price..  I don't get why a fellow gamer here would do that to another gamer...

He has sold one, but it sold today at 5:00 and he already got feedback for it... WTF?

[Bernie]

So sad.

[Psycho Punch]

What an idiot, as always there's someone trying to profit on top of some homebrew developer that worked his ass hard to bring this to the market with little to no return.

Moron.

[esteban]

Storino? I gotta remember that.

[NecroPhile]

Hey... that is one of our guys here isn't it?  Why gouge it?

Yes, our very own Storino. He's always been a POS. Doesn't even know what he's talking about with the "first print run" nonsense.

Heh, what a surprise.

[CrackTiger]

I agree, but sometimes people buy/resell/buy again/etc, just to get a psychological high kind of like gambling in casinos and the like. They don't really care how much they spend, only that it's within reason because they know (or think) the monetary loss is temporary, and hope they get back all of what they made and then some.

As far as Storino, I can understand wanting to have a sealed copy; it would feel great to tear open a fresh, new Turbo game like the old days. But as everyone's said, it's not worth the extra production cost to have eBay scammers to spike the cost of our game and rig the market, as they're so eager to do!

Pretty much this. I will order once I'm no longer broke, and not being sealed has no bearing on that decision. But yes, there is something satisfying about liberating a brand new game from its cellophane wrapping.

I would have loved to have had it factory sealed... so I could tear it open. I have a stack of sealed Turbo and PCE games that I am waiting to open until I have the time to immediately play through them afterward. It is a big deal for me, just as I stare at the Now Loading screen of new CD games without blinking to fully take a the game for the first time. But I totally get the reasons for getting them un-sealed.

However, gougers, collectors, etc will still have their kind of fun with it anyway. All that the lack of cellophane means, is that any loose copy can be professionally graded, as they are as they come new. There are likely multiple copies already sent to the VGA.




EDIT:

Why didn't the copies come sealed? That was why I ordered it in the first place. There's also a huge crack on the front case. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone is out to resell in the future, but it would have been a nice gesture if it was 'sealed'. Would have ordered two copies.

For those who could be interested, the Pier Solar Definitive Original Soundtrack (including the MCD disc) is now available.
Someone has made a video on youtube :

Nice, I preordered 3 copies. One to keep sealed, one to open, and one to resell.

I guess an apology is in order, as the reasons behind the decision to not have the games sealed was in fact directed at people like storino03. On the bright side, at least it is an actual game that can be played for only the price of a single copy of a game soundtrack.

Actually, I was being sarcastic about Pier Solar and having three copies. I only purchased one of the reprint edition. Didn't even know about it until this past January. I haven't opened it, but I do plan on buying a play copy sometime when it's not as expensive (for a new one on their website).

Also, if you want, you can check my ebay account (storino03). I don't resell games that I keep sealed or find in the wild (used). Unless it wasn't my liking when I tried it out, but that is super rare. It usually ends up going to the collection.

[Bernie]

  I am not sure if I should be pissed, sad, or just not give a shit.

[VestCunt]

*damning evidence*

Considering he only bought one copy when it was released, he's probably flipping one of the factory seconds Rover was  selling two months ago for $12. That or he swapped out his original cracked case that he was bitching about and it passing it off as "new". Nothing like lying and taking advantage of an independent company's hard work and generosity to make an easy $50 bucks.

I also like how Storino hasn't responded to this thread, but he's been active on the forums today and his ebay username suddenly changed from "storino" to "pikachuwarrior" since the listing went up.   

[Bernie]

I sent him a message on ebay, basically telling him he should be ashamed of himself, and signed it with my forum name.

[johnnykonami]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-TURBO-GRAFX-16-HUCARD-GAME-NEC-LOT-ORDYNE-NERD-BLASTERS-DRAGON-SPIRIT-/261417559597?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3cddb3662d

Don't miss your chance to get the ultra-rare "Nerd Blasters" guys!

[CrackTiger]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-TURBO-GRAFX-16-HUCARD-GAME-NEC-LOT-ORDYNE-NERD-BLASTERS-DRAGON-SPIRIT-/261417559597?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3cddb3662d

Don't miss your chance to get the ultra-rare "Nerd Blasters" guys!

We have a separate thread for wacky auctions:

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13195.msg336710#msg336710

I also like how Storino hasn't responded to this thread, but he's been active on the forums today and his ebay username suddenly changed from "storino" to "pikachuwarrior" since the listing went up.

Wow.

[Bernie]

Him changing his name just proves how dishonest he is.  I'll never deal with him again, and I am sure there are others.  Sad.  Just sad...

[OldRover]

Well, we all figured the price would skyrocket if the game ever sold out. I literally have one copy left to sell, and that's it... end of the line. Only gooddealgames has any left, although Keranu likely still has just a few that he can bring to shows. We held off the gouging for as long as possible, using every tactic we could possibly think of. And it worked. But I guess all good things must come to an end. Announcing a second pressing would actually drive the cost of the first pressing up higher, although I'm not against the idea itself... if there is sufficient demand for a second print run, we'll do it.

[VestCunt]

Well, it gets worse. Storino has at least two ebay accounts and has already sold copies to himself to justify his $70 price tag. New thread:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=16464.msg337179#msg337179

We held off the gouging for as long as possible, using every tactic we could possibly think of.

You could have prevented gouging by holding on to your stock and charging the $40 that the game is worth instead of instantly liquidating the remaining inventory for bargain-basement prices well below what anyone else charges.

I agree that gouging is inevitable sooner or later, but Storino is a special case because he's one of our own. He hangs out here, gets to know us, tries to make friends, and takes advantage of our generosity. That's far worse than being just a random ebay scumbag.

[johnnykonami]

We have a separate thread for wacky auctions:

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13195.msg336710#msg336710

Oh yeah, looks like RoyVegas beat me to it there.  Oops.

[OldRover]

I only liquidated the ones I had when I had run out previously; Keranu still had some stock, so he sent them to me. I have been selling those on the main site for the normal price for the past few months, but I'm literally down to 1 copy remaining. Once it sells, I end the sale on frozenutopia.com... and the gougers will go hog-wild scalping a rare game.

[VestCunt]

Regardless, you gave away a ton of copies of the best TG16 homebrew to-date for $12-15. There's a reason why none of Mindrec, Aetherbyte, or Revival's releases are being gouged: because they never had a red-light sale and they're still selling them for close to original prices.

[Bernie]

Shit hits the fan. Storino's PCEFX account is active, but he doesn't respond to the gouging thread. The ebay listing remains up, but the seller username suddenly changes from "storino03" to "pikachuwarrior," in an attempt to distance his PCEFX reputation and raffle credibility from nefarious gouging activities. Ebay seller feedback shows another $70 Mysterious Song listing that ended on March 9th. Even though the item was relisted and there's no possible way a buyer could have received same-day delivery, the buyer (e***a ( 634 ) left positive feedback for pikachuwarrior the same day the listing ended, showing that Storino has at least two ebay accounts, leaves positive feedback for himself, and fakes sales to legitimize high prices for anyone referencing ebay's sold listings or sites like pricecharting.com.

Technically, he can relist before the first buyer gets the original and leaves feedback.  if you have more than one, but only sell them one at a time, then you can immediately relist the other.  It lists reasons when you choose to do so, one of them being having multiples of the same item.  Either way. its a stupid thing to do.  Kinda gets under my skin.

I agree that gouging is inevitable sooner or later, but Storino is a special case because he's one of our own. He hangs out here, gets to know us, tries to make friends, and takes advantage of our generosity. That's far worse than being just a random ebay scumbag.

This is what gets to me.

[OldRover]

There's a reason why none of Mindrec, Aetherbutt, or Revival's releases are being gouged: because they never had a red-light sale and they're still selling them for close to original prices.

With all due respect, I really don't think that this is the reason. There have been other homebrews that have been gouged before, and not because they were put on sale. A copy of Aetherbutt's Insanity was put up on ebay for a ridiculous amount of money by one of the users here on this very forum. And look at the craziness with gouging Pier Solar... that was being gouged on ebay the day it came out, and it was still selling for full price. It's the perceived rarity/availability of the game, compounded by its popularity.

[Opethian]

like a signed Insanity.... total gouge

[VestCunt]

Rover, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

As for your efforts to discourage gougers, nothing could be further from the truth. Prices for Aetherbyte, Mindrec, and Revival titles have all remained stable as the companies continue to stock copes and sell them directly. You on the other hand, chose to blowout your remaining stock of a one-year-old game at rock-bottom prices. And this isn't a typical Atari clone like other homebrew titles, it's a full-fledged RPG on a console English gamers are starving for.

You've heavily advertised MSR's rarity and a virtual countdown of your stock every step of the way. The front page of Frozen Utopia hypes the "limited stock." Your store has boldly advertised that "there won't be a second pressing" since the game was released. You even used your dwindling stock as a selling point to the sharks on ebay, "there will never again be another sale like this since these are all the copies like this that we have... this is your only chance to get this game for as cheap as you will ever see it being sold for." You couldn't have set a better stage for gougers.

You've recently discussed the possibility of a reprint on these forums, but refuse to make it identical, while freely admitting that "a second pressing would actually drive the cost of the first pressing up higher."

Searching for Insanity, Pyramid Plunder, Meteor Blaster, Implode, and Revival Chase on ebay yields zero results and zero gouging. Meanwhile, less than two months after your blow-it-out-the-ass sale, two different sellers have Mysterious Song for $70 & $100.  In fact, one copy already sold for $109 on January 27th.

I understand if you needed some fast cash back in January or whatever, but don't claim you've been trying to discourage gougers. I suspect you like being the creator of an expensive,  sought-after game, else you'd issue an identical reprint or not hype your "last copies!" so much.

EDIT: sorry, some of that was harsh. You're a great guy and I don't mean to me a dick, but you've done several things that have set MSR up for serious gouging in the future.

[OldRover]

I don't hype anything, I'm just blatantly honest with things. Maybe I'm naive or whatnot, I dunno. And yeah, we did make a lot of efforts to discourage gougers... that's why we did not sell the game shrink-wrapped (keeps the price baseline), we set up sales on ebay for the same price as on the website (marketplace presence, keeps prices honest), and deliberately sold some copies on the cheap (devaluing discourages reselling). Honestly... people are going to scalp no matter what, and the more popular the game is, the more it's gonna go for.

Maybe I should just shut up from now on.

[seieienbu]

I'm kind  of curious what Mysterious Song would go for if you put your last copy up on ebay and just let it work as a no reserve, no BIN auction...

[HailingTheThings]

Rover, I've got to disagree with you on this one. I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

As for your efforts to discourage gougers, nothing could be further from the truth. Prices for Aetherbutt, Mindrec, and Revival titles have all remained stable as the companies continue to stock copes and sell them directly. You on the other hand, chose to blowout your remaining stock of a one-year-old game at rock-bottom prices. And this isn't a typical Atari clone like other homebrew titles, it's a full-fledged RPG on a console English gamers are starving for.

You've heavily advertised MSR's rarity and a virtual countdown of your stock every step of the way. The front page of Frozen Utopia hypes the "limited stock." Your store has boldly advertised that "there won't be a second pressing" since the game was released. You even used your dwindling stock as a selling point to the sharks on ebay, "there will never again be another sale like this since these are all the copies like this that we have... this is your only chance to get this game for as cheap as you will ever see it being sold for." You couldn't have set a better stage for gougers.

You've recently discussed the possibility of a reprint on these forums, but refuse to make it identical, while freely admitting that "a second pressing would actually drive the cost of the first pressing up higher."

Searching for Insanity, Pyramid Plunder, Meteor Blaster, Implode, and Revival Chase on ebay yields zero results and zero gouging. Meanwhile, less than two months after your blow-it-out-the-ass sale, two different sellers have Mysterious Song for $70 & $100.  In fact, one copy already sold for $109 on January 27th.

I understand if you needed some fast cash back in January or whatever, but don't claim you've been trying to discourage gougers. I suspect you like being the creator of an expensive,  sought-after game, else you'd issue an identical reprint or not hype your "last copies!" so much.

EDIT: sorry, some of that was harsh. You're a great guy and I don't mean to me a dick, but you've done several things that have set MSR up for serious gouging in the future.

Did you get lost on your way to Fighting Street? Give the guy a break.

[RoyVegas]

I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

Your view of it is pretty one sided since you wern't directly involved in any of it.  Your stating a lot of things you have no in depth knowledge of.

Yes I put those Signature/CCAG homebrew games them up for sale on eBay with huge "Buy it Nows" but guess where they sold?  They were sold to a member HERE, on this forum, who sent me a message here with an offer and were sold OFF eBay.

How about the Meteor Blaster DX Signature Edition that I GAVE to a member here for free (he can chime in if he sees this and wants). Of course you wouldn't know that happened nor would I expect you to.

If you could also please provide a little proof on your auction facts. I sold one of my Meteor Blaster DX Signature Editions at what you call "an honest auction" and it ended at $89.69 (I know, it's in my feedback). So was my auction a third auction you missed or did you confuse that with the $50 auction?

A majority of what your saying about me is your biased opinion and nothing more. There's no fact to what you said other than they were listed INITIALLY on eBay with high "Buy it Now's".  The rest is biased opinion based on what you perceived happened.

[nectarsis]

I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

How about the Meteor Blaster DX Signature Edition that I GAVE to a member here for free (he can chime in if he sees this and wants). Of course you wouldn't know that happened nor would I expect you to.

Indeed he did

[bob]

All this stuff predates my membership here, but Roy has given me some great deals.  No complaints here.

[NecroPhile]

Your view of it is pretty one sided since you wern't directly involved in any of it.  Your stating a lot of things you have no in depth knowledge of.
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A majority of what your saying about me is your biased opinion and nothing more. There's no fact to what you said other than they were listed INITIALLY on eBay with high "Buy it Now's".  The rest is biased opinion based on what you perceived happened.

Give it a fucking rest, Roy.  You know what you did was shitty.

[ToyMachine78]

I don't have the investment in this topic as some do, but I think that affords me the ability to view this a little more objectively.

I don't see the link between selling seconds of MS at a reduced price and price gouging. If I was an outsider or new to the scene, that make me believe that the game didn't sell well, and he is having a fire sale just to get rid of the things. That would make me less inclined to buy them for reselling on eBay.Especially for gouged prices, and especially when the game can still be bought at regular retail.

I can see your point on the "Rare/limited quantity" hype, but they're out to sell these things, and people are more likely to buy when they feel they are getting something special.

I think that this gouger is just an ass trying to con unsuspecting gamers, and I really don't feel any of Rovers actions promoted it. This guy would have probably done the same thing regardless.

And who buys a game, especially a homebrew, straight from eBay without Googling it to check reviews and such. And if you were to Google it you would see that it is still available at retail prices. If you blindly go buy a game off eBay just because the seller says its rare, you deserve to get gouged.

Just my 2¢

[CrackTiger]

I can't speak for other console scenes and I don't know what the hell Pier Solar is, but the total extent of homebrew gouging on the TurboGrafx can be summer up with two words: Roy Vegas.

That's it. It was an isolated incident of douchebaggery no one has rivaled before or since. Furthermore, it was a special signed or limited copy, IIRC, not standard issue like Mysterious Song. A couple copies of Meteor Blaster have sold for $270 and $50 over the course of ten years on ebay, but those were honest auctions for the Signature Edition, again not standard issue and not BIN gouging.

Your view of it is pretty one sided since you wern't directly involved in any of it.  Your stating a lot of things you have no in depth knowledge of.

Yes I put those Signature/CCAG homebrew games them up for sale on eBay with huge "Buy it Nows" but guess where they sold?  They were sold to a member HERE, on this forum, who sent me a message here with an offer and were sold OFF eBay.

How about the Meteor Blaster DX Signature Edition that I GAVE to a member here for free (he can chime in if he sees this and wants). Of course you wouldn't know that happened nor would I expect you to.

If you could also please provide a little proof on your auction facts. I sold one of my Meteor Blaster DX Signature Editions at what you call "an honest auction" and it ended at $89.69 (I know, it's in my feedback). So was my auction a third auction you missed or did you confuse that with the $50 auction?

A majority of what your saying about me is your biased opinion and nothing more. There's no fact to what you said other than they were listed INITIALLY on eBay with high "Buy it Now's".  The rest is biased opinion based on what you perceived happened.

What were your plans if the initial "high Buy it Now" listings had been purchased at your top prices, before you had a chance to make any side deals?

[RoyVegas]

Your view of it is pretty one sided since you wern't directly involved in any of it.  Your stating a lot of things you have no in depth knowledge of.
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A majority of what your saying about me is your biased opinion and nothing more. There's no fact to what you said other than they were listed INITIALLY on eBay with high "Buy it Now's".  The rest is biased opinion based on what you perceived happened.

Give it a fucking rest, Roy.  You know what you did was shitty.

I never said what I did was right or wrong.  I merely took the opportunity to rebut the inaccuracies. That's what some people don't get, I never denied what I did, I tried to respond to the rumors being spread that wern't true.  New people would come in see a bunch of random rumor crap from people like vestcunt and just buy in to it, hook line and sinker.  He has no clue what happened as his involvement was nil.

Coming from YOU, telling me to give it a rest is pathetic Necro. You're the type of person around here that people respect and you typically correct inaccuracies and straighten things out when you can. In this case however, you're basically telling me to shut up and let vestcunt say whatever he wants, true or not.  That's poor.

If you feel the topic should be put to rest, maybe you should be telling vestcunt to give it a rest. As long as people post inaccuracies about what happened, I'll be there to correct them.

[NecroPhile]

Then please point out the plethora of perfidy.

You won't find what's not there, as he didn't say where it sold or for how much, claim that you denied what happened, or that you were involved in either of those MBDX sales.  The only meat is him saying that the only Turbob homebrew douchebaggery was from you (aside from Storino, presumably), and I don't think many here are going to argue otherwise.

Furthermore, whether or not it eventually sold on eBay is irrelevant anyway.  An attempt at gouging is no better than succeeding (half of what's in this thread never sells), and we both know that you would have taken the money if it had sold before someone here made an offer.

[RoyVegas]

Then please point out the plethora of perfidy.

I said inaccurate and biased opinion, not perfidy.

[NecroPhile]

perfidy = deceitfulness = concealing or misrepresenting the truth

Try again.

[RoyVegas]

Yes, that's what perfidy means. Which is the word YOU used, not me.

I said he used biased opinion and inaccuracies.

You try again.

[NecroPhile]

So in other words, you've got nothing.  Color me unsurprised.

[CrackTiger]

[mrhaboobi]

Any chance someone has a picture of the different signature editions ..  Would have been cool to own one of them .  Sometimes being in other parts of the world sucks when you cant attend things like CCAG.

[RoyVegas]

Any chance someone has a picture of the different signature editions ..  Would have been cool to own one of them .  Sometimes being in other parts of the world sucks when you cant attend things like CCAG.

Don't you know pictures never helped anyone but Noobs?:

Exterior differences, Signature Edition sticker on the front and it's signed and numbered (which should match the number on the title screen) on the back of the manual.

Regular:



Signature:



Inside:






There are other in game differences also.  An extra ship, Customized title screen (personal message and copy ??/?? on the top right), music and 1 more thing I don't recall (but i think it had something to do with an updated version of the extra in game game LOOP.

[mrhaboobi]

Can i ask how you signed up for one of these editions?  I can remember anything about them, how call is it to have your name in the game

[RoyVegas]

Any chance someone has a picture of the different signature editions ..  Would have been cool to own one of them .  Sometimes being in other parts of the world sucks when you cant attend things like CCAG.

Insanity has a few variants also (I'm sure Ark will LOVE me for this one, if he doesn't enough already):

The regular version may or may not be signed and is a pressed disc.



There was another lightscribe disc that Ark did for CCAG and only made 20 copies (hand numbered). This may or may not be signed:





Then if you preordered Insanity it came with an extra Soundtrack disc, was numbered and may or may not be signed.

[RoyVegas]

Can i ask how you signed up for one of these editions?  I can remember anything about them, how call is it to have your name in the game

You just had to request it and order it as a Signature Edition. He was only going to make 100 but I think he ran out of games to do them on once he hit around 60.

Edit: To clear up any confusion. This statement was about Meteor Blaster DX.

[mrhaboobi]

ok cool thanks for the lesson in signature editions

[NecroPhile]

There are other in game differences also.  An extra ship, Customized title screen (personal message and copy ??/?? on the top right), music and 1 more thing I don't recall (but i think it had something to do with an updated version of the extra in game game LOOP.

Yep, it's Loop 2.0.  There's also "slight graphical tweeks" (whatever they are), the DX on the title screen is differently colored, and a hidden/unlockable demo to find.

All these improvements (and a Mindrec logo splash screen change) are in the pressed version too.

[VestCunt]

I don't see the link between selling seconds of MS at a reduced price and price gouging.

Selling some cheap seconds is no big deal, but Frozen Utopia dumped their entire stock for bargain basement prices in slightly over twelve months (firsts for $15, seconds for $12.95). Fans didn't have much time to hear about the game and get it through official channels before being left at the mercy of gougers. We can debate this stuff, but the fact that MSR is the ONLY TG16 homebrew being gouged on ebay, two months after the clearance sales, is pretty hard to refute.

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Yes I put tsohe Sirtnague/CACG hbemreow gmeas tehm up for slae on eaBy wtih hgue "Buy it Nwos" but guses wehre tehy slod? Tehy wree slod to a mebmer HREE, on tihs fuorm, who snet me a msagsee hree wtih an ofefr and wree slod OFF eaBy.

How aubot the Moeter Bstlear DX Sratniuge Eoitidn taht I GVAE to a memebr hree for fere (he can cmhie in if he sees tihs and wtans). Of curose you wulndo't konw taht hpeaepnd nor wolud I ecpxet you to.

If you culod aslo pesale povidre a llttie poorf on yuor auoictn ftcas. I slod one of my Moeter Bsetalr DX Sgnuraite Eitnoids at waht you clal "an hesont aiotcun" and it eendd at $89.69 (I konw, i'ts in my facbeedk). So was my auoticn a trihd atiocun you meissd or did you csonfue taht wtih the $50 aictoun?

A mjtaoiry of waht yuor sanyig auobt me is yuor bsiaed oinpoin and nntihog mroe. Thr'ees no fcat to waht you siad oehtr tahn tehy wree letisd IILNTALIY on eaBy wtih hgih "Buy it N'ows". The rset is bisead onopiin bsead on waht you pevercied hneepapd.

Whatever. Don't need to hear your life story, Roy. As for proof, you deleted it, remember?