Reefer Madness

[SignOfZeta]

Man that same old tired "it's all natural"  "it just grows in the dirt".  While many people do grow their own, a shitton of it is hardly "all natural".

Growing a shitton of anything is the basis of modern civilization. There would be no PC Engine without agriculture.

[SignOfZeta]

You should stop smoking weed, not because its the law, but becasue its fucking stupid to smoke it.  Plays both was dude.

Once again, your attempt at cleverness fall flat.

For one thing, driving without your seat belt is hella dumb. Completely illogical and...just stupid. Unlike weed, it isn't harmless.

Secondly, I haven't smoked pot since I was 17, which was...nearly 20 years ago.

[Arkhan Asylum]

For one thing, driving without your seat belt is hella dumb. Completely illogical and...just stupid. Unlike weed, it isn't harmless.

wait wait, weed is harmless?  No negative side effects?

WOW, when did that happen.

Growing a shitton of anything is the basis of modern civilization. There would be no PC Engine without agriculture.

lrn2read.

a shit ton of dope is not all natural, meaning its not 100% straight from the ground.  Its been fucked around with.

[Joe Redifer]

In my opinion everything is natural.  We cultivated the PC Engine from items found on Earth that we grew or were already here.  Humans naturally build things.  Therefore it is natural for the PC Engine to exist.

[Vecanti]

that or everyone who goes to bars and smokes has parkinsons.

Probably not,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100310162823.htm 

:-)

[SignOfZeta]

wait wait, weed is harmless?  No negative side effects?

WOW, when did that happen.

A lot of people become very unmotivated when they get really into pot. However, I've known some EXTREME losers who cuddle up with RPGs in the same way stoners cuddle up with a bong and never do fucking anything. One guy I know literally had his parents mail order him a wife, and the only drug he did was caffeine. I think certain personality types just gravitate towards obsessive behavior.

Other than that, there aren't any real negative side effects associated with weed. Not compared to alcohol or cigarettes, which are trillion dollar industries associated with the "right" side of the law.

[RoyVegas]

Other than that, there aren't any real known negative side effects associated with weed.

Fixed.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

There's lots of known negatives associated with smoking weed, such as it containing Zyklon-B and causing Cheeto shortages.  I think Zeta's point was that when compared to legal vices like booze and tobacco, it is relatively harmless.*

* - pretty much everything is harmful if the concentration is high enough (even water).

[Keranu]

There is no link between cannabis and cancer.

There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.

There has never been a single overdose from cannabis consumption.


Now who wants to list the next 10 pages explaining the health benefits of cannabis?

[RoyVegas]

Now who wants to list the next 10 pages explaining the health benefits of cannabis?

A close family member actually has a medical MJ card.  I can tell you that after many many surgeries she has never been out of pain.  They kept having to increase her medication over and over and move to stronger and stronger meds as she would have to take fist fulls of pills just to get any pain relief.  She was to the point they were giving her Methadone.  Finally when the laws changed she got the medical MJ card.  MJ is the only thing that helps her with the pain. 

I do see both sides of the story, trust me I do.

[nectarsis]

There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.

This I find HIGHLY dubious

[Arkhan Asylum]

that or everyone who goes to bars and smokes has parkinsons.

Probably not,

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100310162823.htm 

:-)

bwbahahahahaa

that is epic.

and errr, I know people who crashed while high as balls. 

[SignOfZeta]

The point is that the worst thing that can happen to a guy because of pot has nothing to do with pot itself; a jail sentence.

In advocating the full legalization of weed, I'm not recommend people drive stoned. Booze is legal, but nobody is recommending you drive drunk.

[Joe Redifer]

There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.

This I find HIGHLY dubious

According to Keranu, Marijuana cannot intoxicate you.  But in real life here on planet Earth, it can indeed intoxicate you and when you are intoxicated, no matter what you used to get that way, you run a very large risk of getting into a wreck and killing people.  MJ slows your reaction time.  Keranu has not studied every single car accident that has taken place.  Although I think it should be legalized, I do think that it should be illegal to drive while intoxicated with anything, be it alcohol, marijuana, prescription drugs, cough syrup, etc.  Driving while under the influence of ANY substance is evil.  I have no respect for people who chose to drive this way.  Their lives have no value.

[Arkhan Asylum]

The point is that the worst thing that can happen to a guy because of pot has nothing to do with pot itself; a jail sentence.

In advocating the full legalization of weed, I'm not recommend people drive stoned. Booze is legal, but nobody is recommending you drive drunk.

then they will have to make laws for driving while stoned.

I wonder if there will be a "brainalizer" test to see if you are too baked to drive.

[Keranu]

There has never been a single car accident attributed solely to cannabis consumption.

This I find HIGHLY dubious

According to Keranu, Marijuana cannot intoxicate you.  But in real life here on planet Earth, it can indeed intoxicate you and when you are intoxicated, no matter what you used to get that way, you run a very large risk of getting into a wreck and killing people.  MJ slows your reaction time.  Keranu has not studied every single car accident that has taken place.  Although I think it should be legalized, I do think that it should be illegal to drive while intoxicated with anything, be it alcohol, marijuana, prescription drugs, cough syrup, etc.  Driving while under the influence of ANY substance is evil.  I have no respect for people who chose to drive this way.  Their lives have no value.

"Don't knock it until you try it" as they say. NO I'm not recommending people to drive while blazed . But driving under the influence of marijuana makes the driver take caution rather than take risks like alcohol influence does. Marijuana doesn't affect motor coordination nearly as bad as alcohol does either. Some fun facts - http://www.nuffy.net/articles/how-marijuana-effects-your-driving-performance.html

Here's a bonus YouTube video. This guy actually managed to drive safer while high than he did sober! (Again, not recommending -- I swear!)

I have an experiment for you Joe. Buy some weed and pick out a video game from your collection that you've had trouble beating (well the game you're least good at since you're a gaming wiz ). After smoking (or in your case, vaporizing/eating), give that challenging game another shot. You may be surprised by the results .

[oldskool]

I'll let Keranu be my spokesperson for the rest of the thread.

[Keranu]

I'll let Keranu be my spokesperson for the rest of the thread.

Hahaha ! Nah I'm probably gonna go back to my cave now.

[rag-time4]

I have an experiment for you Joe. Buy some weed and pick out a video game from your collection that you've had trouble beating (well the game you're least good at since you're a gaming wiz ). After smoking (or in your case, vaporizing/eating), give that challenging game another shot. You may be surprised by the results .

What you're suggesting here, Keranu, sounds similar to the strategy I used the first time I cleared Image Fight... I would play a bit.... then when I got demoralized my wife would play a couple credits, and watching her get creamed seemed to energize me for another go!!

[Turbo D]

Ragtime is right, having sex with your wife makes you better @ videogames.

[Joe Redifer]

Keranu, you may be right about the affects of weed and my gaming abilities... I can't say (and don't really have any burning desire to find out).  But to say that no accident has ever been the result of someone driving under the influence of weed is ridiculous.  It doesn't affect everyone the same way.  Just because George Burns lived for 6,000 years doesn't mean that others won't get mouth cancer from smoking cigars.  Weed can be abused, just like alcohol.  Yes, the affects are different, but it can still be abused.

[Ceti Alpha]

If weed was ever legalized there would have to be laws in place to stop people from driving under the influence. Here in Canada, the police are already looking out for people who may be "red-eyed". That said, weed is definitely less powerful a drug than alcohol. However, you can buy some crazy weed that will knock your socks off (I just ordered some online actually heh) and the last thing you would want to be doing is driving immediately after smoking it. Also, it takes far less time for the effects of weed to wear off than alcohol.

On the hierarchy of drugs weed sits around caffeine. I've had a few shots of espresso and been shaking from the caffeine.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

then they will have to make laws for driving while stoned.

You're kidding, right?  Every state has already amended their laws from 'driving while intoxicated' to 'driving under the influence', which generally means being under the influence of any substance that impairs your abilities.

I wonder if there will be a "brainalizer" test to see if you are too baked to drive.

Any experienced cop can tell just by talking to you.

But driving under the influence of marijuana makes the driver take caution rather than take risks like alcohol influence does. Marijuana doesn't affect motor coordination nearly as bad as alcohol does either.

If it's not as impairing as being drunk, then it's 100% safe? 

[Arkhan Asylum]

well there is a legal limit for alcohol,

is there a legal limit for dope?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

well there is a legal limit for alcohol,

is there a legal limit for dope?

I don't think any states have set a THC blood level, but they rather leave it up to the officer to determine if you are impaired, much like they do in absence of a breathalyzer.

[Vecanti]

If it's not as impairing as being drunk, then it's 100% safe? 

What's funny is in Oregon they have banned "holding your cellphone" while driving.  So you have to use a handsfree device.

Problem is even myself, and I've seen people waiting at a red light miss that it has already turned green for example, get more distracted trying to get a wired handsfree headset untangled and plugged in when the phone rings or people messing with their bluetooth headsets of bluetooth speaker phone devices trying to get them to work. 

People seem way more distracted trying get these things to function, drive, AND talk as opposed to just talking and driving. 

I think that law took us backwards.  Either let people talk or don't.  This handsfree thing is more dangerous in my opinion.  Would be interesting to see real data on it.

[Arkhan Asylum]

yeah, but a lot of times that shit ends up being thrown out in court because the officer who caught you don't show up, and then they have no numerical data to back up how toasted you were...

so it's the word of mouth of an non present officer, and then you get off on a technicality, etc.

kind of stupid, but thats the way it goes around here sometimes.

one time someone got out of a DUI + huge accident because before they tested the guys blood for alcohol, they used alcohol prep pads to prepare the area, and it was argued that it contaminated the reading. -_-

lol

What's funny is in Oregon they have banned "holding your cellphone" while driving.  So you have to use a handsfree device.

Problem is even myself, and I've seen people waiting at a red light miss that it has already turned green for example, get more distracted trying to get a wired handsfree headset untangled and plugged in when the phone rings or people messing with their bluetooth headsets of bluetooth speaker phone devices trying to get them to work. 

People seem way more distracted trying get these things to function, drive, AND talk as opposed to just talking and driving. 

I think that law took us backwards.  Either let people talk or don't.  This handsfree thing is more dangerous in my opinion.  Would be interesting to see real data on it.

Some cities have that law here by me too.  They did a study that showed that a lot of people lack the coordination to hold the phone, focus on the talking, and the driving all at once, and thats why they banned it.

Some people DO actually possess the coordination to do it, but most don't....

a hands-free setup, assuming you're not messy, lets you press button and talk while still focusing on the road.

It becomes about the same as having a passenger to talk to.

now, if you are one of those people who tangles all your wires, throws shit all over the car, and fumbles around with everything while driving, .... it isn't going to work out for you, lol. 

[Ceti Alpha]

The problem with dope testing is that THC stays in your system for months. So, even you took a small toke at some party three months ago you would still test positive for marijuana.

[RoyVegas]

I don't think any states have set a THC blood level, but they rather leave it up to the officer to determine if you are impaired, much like they do in absence of a breathalyzer.

Which is always risky because then there is a lack of proof other than the officers experience with impared individuals and Dept. training.  Lawyers could have a field day with that.

[Arkhan Asylum]

yeah man lawyers eat that shit up like free cake

[Nazi NecroPhile]

yeah, but a lot of times that shit ends up being thrown out in court because the officer who caught you don't show up, and then they have no numerical data to back up how toasted you were...

so it's the word of mouth of an non present officer, and then you get off on a technicality, etc.

kind of stupid, but thats the way it goes around here sometimes.

It's not a stupid technicality, it's the Bill of Rights.  The Sixth Amendment allows the accused to confront the witnesses against them, so even if a breathalyzer test was given, the officer must show up for trial.

Which is always risky because then there is a lack of proof other than the officers experience with impared individuals and Dept. training.  Lawyers could have a field day with that.

Not really.  The officer's judgment is only used in the field to determine if a blood test is warranted, so it's no riskier than with booze where the officer's judgment must be relied upon to determine if there's probable cause to administer a breathalyzer/blood test or even to pull 'em over in the first place.

[Keranu]

But driving under the influence of marijuana makes the driver take caution rather than take risks like alcohol influence does. Marijuana doesn't affect motor coordination nearly as bad as alcohol does either.

If it's not as impairing as being drunk, then it's 100% safe? 

I never said it was you sneaky robot devil !

[RoyVegas]

yeah, but a lot of times that shit ends up being thrown out in court because the officer who caught you don't show up, and then they have no numerical data to back up how toasted you were...

It doesn't work that way everywhere.  I can tell you that here in Vegas the officer HAS to show up to court or face disciplinary action.

Not really.  The officer's judgment is only used in the field to determine if a blood test is warranted, so it's no riskier than with booze where the officer's judgment must be relied upon to determine if there's probable cause to administer a breathalyzer/blood test or even to pull 'em over in the first place.

I do agree with your point 100%  I meant more towards the aspect that since a blood test would pick up the THC if you had smoked ANY time recently.  I'm no expert on THC, I'm just going off what Ceti said a few posts ago. 

So let's say for examples sake you smoked weed 2 days ago and yesterday you got pulled over for a DUI.  You were just overly tired, eyes were red and showed similar characteristics of being high.  Officer thinks your high and arrests you.  They get a blood test and THC shows up in your system from two days ago.  It would appear as if you were driving high when you wern't.  I would think at that point it would be the officers word/experience vs. your word.  Your lawyer could just say "Yes judge, he is a pothead which is why he came up positive but the night in question he was just overly tired".

A blood test for THC can tell you if they used but not when they used so wouldn't that make it easier to argue in court?

[Nazi NecroPhile]

I believe it's zero tolerance, Roy; if you have it in your system, you're guilty.  Underage drinking is much the same way - if they detect any amount, you're fucked.

[RoyVegas]

I believe it's zero tolerance, Roy; if you have it in your system, you're guilty.  Underage drinking is much the same way - if they detect any amount, you're fucked.

That would be pretty interesting.  I can see them using the blood test to prove they used drugs at some point, but they still wouldn't be able to link it to the driving..

Either way it will be interesting to see how things REALLY go in the future.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I believe it's zero tolerance, Roy; if you have it in your system, you're guilty.  Underage drinking is much the same way - if they detect any amount, you're fucked.

yes, this could go poorly if dope smoking is legalized.  People will toke up, a week later crash their car, and test positive even if they're clean, just because the cop was "suspicious" about it.