Steve Jobs is iDead

[Arkhan Asylum]

I've been trolling facebook pretty hard tonight as a result.

It always gets me when it takes someones death for people to give a shit.

and even then its the same prepackaged doom and gloom sadness bullshit and/or clueless goons trying to sound like revolutionaries with their STEVE JOBS CHANGED THE WORLD WITH HIS INVENTIONS crap.  and their OMG HE MADE THE IPOD WITH HIS BAREHANDS AND NOW HES GONE THANK YOU STEVE FOR ALL THE MUSIC. crap.


I thought Steve Jobs was an annoying douche.  He was going to die eventually, obviously.  It sucks he died the way he died.  It doesn't make me think hes any less of a dickbag though.

WHATS EVERYONE ELSES THOUGHTS?

[OldRover]

I give him credit where it's due for his work, but the man himself was a major dickhead and everyone hated him except the top executives at Apple. But we all knew the crocodile tears were coming.

[Joe Redifer]

This is the first thread title about this that has given me a chuckle.  Steve should be commended for his strong vision in the past, though I don't agree what he has been doing with Apple recently.

[SignOfZeta]

I hate these threads. Every single famous person who dies gets their own thread on every forum I go to. Its almost as hollow as a Facebook "happy birthday" barrage once a year.

[Joe Redifer]

It's better than Happy Birthday threads, that's for sure. 

Steve Jobs Wikipedia Entry

[DragonmasterDan]

Since we're on a video game forum, how many people know the story of when Steve Jobs worked at Atari and how he made people think he had actual engineering skills.
http://classicgaming.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=395

[Arkhan Asylum]

Since we're on a video game forum, how many people know the story of when Steve Jobs worked at Atari and how he made people think he had actual engineering skills.
http://classicgaming.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Articles.Detail&id=395

yeah.

'HEY, WOZ, DO THIS FOR ME ILL GIVE YOU 5... I MEAN 50% OF THE MONEY"

[DragonmasterDan]

yeah.

'HEY, WOZ, DO THIS FOR ME ILL GIVE YOU 5... I MEAN 50% OF THE MONEY"

Yep, it's a great story and tells you a lot about Steve's character. I'm very bothered by the fact that there is a small sect of people out there to whom Apple is a religion and Steve Jobs was their messiah.

[Opethian]

iPhone4s  was so disappointing that it turk our jerbs!

[Arkhan Asylum]

yeah.

'HEY, WOZ, DO THIS FOR ME ILL GIVE YOU 5... I MEAN 50% OF THE MONEY"

Yep, it's a great story and tells you a lot about Steve's character. I'm very bothered by the fact that there is a small sect of people out there to whom Apple is a religion and Steve Jobs was their messiah.

I was never a fan of Steve Jobs. His personality annoys me, and he didn't do any of the real work.

[PCEngineHell]

Jobs was a cunt who profited off the hard labor and creativity of others. Glad hes dead. I did expect him to die before Winohouse, but meh, whatever, either way, his death is a success story as far as I'm concerned. Got to add, near the end it really was like watching Skeletor go up on stage to present and talk about his latest weapon.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Aside from that he also treated everything he did as some kind of earth shattering new device.  Really, most of it was just a bunch of rehashed crap over and over again in shiny white casings.

No more keynotes with him standing up there with that smug grin, preaching about his revolution.

Thank God.

Now PC reigns supreme because Bill Gates is IMMORTAL.

[Mishran]

Now PC reigns supreme because Bill Gates is IMMORTAL.

Of course Gates is immortal... he's only the Anti-Christ after all. That's what some people claim anyway.

[Sparky]

Jobs was a cunt who profited off the hard labor and creativity of others.

Thats' the way she goes my friend, its us guys in the trenches making these guys look good, but they can have the stresses and the dealings of the f@cking corporate ladder as it will end your life early. He is no different than anyone else in that position, but dieing of cancer is no way to go.

[TheClash603]

Meh.  Seems like Jobs is the kind of guy I would've hated if I met him in person.  His early video game stories and his apparent lack of true technical skills also make me think he's given more credit than he should receive too.

Though I will agree with those who said it before me, cancer sucks.

I don't know who does Apple's advertising, but that's the true king of that company.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Meh.  Seems like Jobs is the kind of guy I would've hated if I met him in person.  His early video game stories and his apparent lack of true technical skills also make me think he's given more credit than he should receive too.

Though I will agree with those who said it before me, cancer sucks.

I don't know who does Apple's advertising, but that's the true king of that company.

He stomped around Atari barefoot being a dirty hippy, calling people dumbasses or whatever.

and then Wozniak did all the real work for him. 

All steve did was find the people who knew how to do shit, and conned them into doing it for his LSD revolution horse shit.

1 BUTTON MICE MAN, IM CONDUCTING CLASSICAL MUSIC.

[geise]

I didn't care for Steve Jobs, but I sure as shit didn't want the man to die of cancer.  I find it kind of fucked up people here wish harm on someone that they've never met.  What I want to know though is if people are going to make as big of a fuss when Wozniac ever passes on?

[DragonmasterDan]

I didn't care for Steve Jobs, but I sure as shit didn't want the man to die of cancer.  I find it kind of fucked up people here wish harm on someone that they've never met.  What I want to know though is if people are going to make as big of a fuss when Wozniac ever passes on?

Wozniac is a far more likable figure in my opinion. But far too many people fell for Steve Jobs reality distortion field and bought into the hype around the man. So I suspect Wozniac won't be as fondly remembered.

[grahf]

Woz used to have the high score for Gameboy Tetris for years. If anyone has any old Nintendo Powers, check it out. I'll remember him for that, because that was the first place I ever saw him.

[DragonmasterDan]

Woz used to have the high score for Gameboy Tetris for years. If anyone has any old Nintendo Powers, check it out. I'll remember him for that, because that was the first place I ever saw him.

They quit taking his scores so he started submitting them as Evets Kainzow, his name backwards.

[geise]

Haha that's great!   

[MotherGunner]

Holy shit that went way past my head.  I remember that!  I feel like a dumbass now.

[nat]

Woz used to have the high score for Gameboy Tetris for years. If anyone has any old Nintendo Powers, check it out. I'll remember him for that, because that was the first place I ever saw him.

I'll remember Woz as the genius that created the variable speed floppy disk controller that was able to provide access to the entire 800k storage capacity of a DS/DD 3.5" disk.

It always pissed me off that DS/DD disks in the PC world were limited to 720k.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Woz used to have the high score for Gameboy Tetris for years. If anyone has any old Nintendo Powers, check it out. I'll remember him for that, because that was the first place I ever saw him.

I'll remember Woz as the genius that created the variable speed floppy disk controller that was able to provide access to the entire 800k storage capacity of a DS/DD 3.5" disk.

It always pissed me off that DS/DD disks in the PC world were limited to 720k.

Even before that stroke of genius, Disk II is one of the greatest feats of engineering ever made. 

Yknow, Apple started sucking when Wozniak stopped engineering the crap. The stuff from the glory days of 8 bit computing by Apple was pretty badass.

He's what I think of when I think of Apple.

When I think of Steve Jobs, I think of turtlenecks, douchebags, and stupid hardware that should be thrown against a wall.

[grahf]

I think the only pieces of Apple hardware I've owned were a 4th gen (b&w) 20GB iPod, which was fucking awesome. Got it used for $175, and that thing lasted me about 3 years. Since then I've just used my phone for music.  The other piece of Apple hardware I've owned was a bluetooth Mighty Mouse. It was great at first, mostly because it was the first wireless mouse I every owned. After a while though I realized it was a piece of shit. What a terrible design.

I do think most Apple hardware is OK. The Mac mini is a cool little machine, for example. But for the most part it's all just too overpriced.

[Arkhan Asylum]

You're paying for the douche-factor of owning a mac, and all of the appliance like shiny white trim on everything.  It's not like you're paying for top notch hardware.  You can get an IBM compatible for less that does more.  Crazy.

the iMac is a ripoff anyways.  I had a PC that looked like that back when Pentium 1 was state of the art.  Back then, Apple was still cranking out creamy towers/desktops.



I had one of these back when I was in 4th grade (1997),and played the shit out of D&D/M&M/Wizardry games on it.

Most of Apples innovations in the outward appearance department are ripoffs.  Jobs would just use his cult status/money/douchefactor marketing to make people think it was fresh and new, and that everyone needs to have it.

The real innovation was what was INSIDE the thing.  Once Wozniak left, that went out the window though.

Apple is responsible for Ultima's success (Akalabeth was done on an Apple II), but what's funny is right when Wozniak left Apple (late 80s) is about when OSI stopped with the Ultima for Apple.  Ultima VI never hit the Apple II, but it hit the C64! ;)

granted, it blew dick on the C64, it still reached it.  late 80s/early 90s DOS is awesome. 

[Joe Redifer]

OK Arkhan you appear perhaps a bit too butthurt about Apple.  Not liking their shit is one thing, but DAMN dude, did they piss in your Cheerios or something?  You seem obsessed.  Apple has obviously affected you a great deal.

Like their products or not, they sell quite well which is the goal of any company.  You cannot fault them for having amazing sales figures.

[VestCunt]

OK Arkhan you appear perhaps a bit too butthurt about Apple.  Not liking their shit is one thing, but DAMN dude, did they piss in your Cheerios or something?  You seem obsessed.  Apple has obviously affected you a great deal.

I'm guessing it's because he's going to college right now.  It really sucks being surrounded by idiots with fifteen-hundred-dollar fashion accessories...*ahem* - I mean MacBook Pros, especially if you actually know anything about computers.

[TheClash603]

Amazing sales figures = Marketing, and nothing more.

The power of propaganda is an amazing thing.  Just got done watching Ken Burns' Prohabition, which was a great look at historical propoganda.  When people look back at Apple in business classes 50 years from now, what will be discussed is their marketing machine.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Amazing sales figures = Marketing, and nothing more.

I'm anything but an Apple zealot, but I'll give credit where it's due: there's more to 'em than marketing.  OSX is a fine OS (arguably better than Windows in many respects), much of their hardware is very well designed and easy to use, and price isn't terribly ridiculous as long as you're comparing apples to apples (pun not intended) for of both hardware specs and design.  The only place where Apple really falls down is that they have nothing that competes with entry level desktops/laptops and they offer meager customization options.

[DragonmasterDan]

I'm anything but an Apple zealot, but I'll give credit where it's due: there's more to 'em than marketing.  OSX is a fine OS (arguably better than Windows in many respects), much of their hardware is very well designed and easy to use, and price isn't terribly ridiculous as long as you're comparing apples to apples (pun not intended) for of both hardware specs and design.  The only place where Apple really falls down is that they have nothing that competes with entry level desktops/laptops and they offer meager customization options.

From a business standpoint they're a nightmare to support. When I was younger I worked for a video game magazine that ran a nearly entirely Mac environment, getting simple things like shared printing to work were hellish tasks, even with OSX (though this was far worse under mac classic). The biggest problems with Macs are as widely mentioned the high entry level cost, the fact that they are by no means better hardware (back in the day an argument could be made that Power PC at least as an architecture was better than X86, but since the switch to Intel that's not been the case) and you're paying a premium to legally use OSX, which in 2011 has very few advantages over Windows as it has caught up with many of the publishing and multimedia utilities that kept the Macintosh platform alive for so many years.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

When I was younger I worked for a video game magazine...........

wait what?

[DragonmasterDan]

wait what?

I'm surprised you didn't know that.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'm anything but an Apple zealot, but I'll give credit where it's due: there's more to 'em than marketing.  OSX is a fine OS (arguably better than Windows in many respects), much of their hardware is very well designed and easy to use, and price isn't terribly ridiculous as long as you're comparing apples to apples (pun not intended) for of both hardware specs and design.  The only place where Apple really falls down is that they have nothing that competes with entry level desktops/laptops and they offer meager customization options.

I despite Apple for many reasons.  I thought they were pretty great until all this iBullshit complete with everything turning shiney white.  It's like an aryan computer race.

My PC cost less than the cheapest Macbook.

The cheapest Macbook can't run WoW on full settings, or FFXIV at all. 

My PC can.  What kind of comparison are we supposed to be doing here?  I am playing FFXIV in glorious 1920x1080 fullscreen on highest settings.  Gogling the comtents.

I hate Apple for reasons along the lines of what Vestcoat said.  They allow the LCD of computer users to think they know stuff.  When I hear someone say "I want a mac, its more versatile than a PC" and I know that person is a complete moron and can't even run a spyware scanner (because I had to de-retard their Windows XP computer multiple times.  Stop clicking Yes to everything on the internet.), I get annoyed.  I know it's just them repeating crap they saw in a commercial or advertisement online.  They don't know dick about computers.

Tons of dipshits running around with glowing Apples, acting like they're all computer engineers because they connected with Steve Jobs on a cosmic level while listening to Arcade Fire in a dark room on their iPod while reading Jobs' quotes on Wikipedia.  Hipsters flock to Apple and repeat all the crap in the commercials.  I've heard countless people do the "it just works" shit.   The one guy in IS at my work is an Appletard and he tries telling people to use OSX for everything.  "If it can't be done in OSX, it shouldn't be done at all".  I pointed out that the software we make is for Windows and asked how that made him feel.

A Mac is not more versatile.  I've yet to find someone tell me something their mac can do that a PC can't.  I don't think I ever will. I'm open to suggestions.

But, a PC can play tons of games, and do all the media design photo video hoojoo music crap OSX can! .  I prefer FruityLoops over the Mac's music program options...  If you have the right know-how, you can use legacy hardware even!  Far more customizable.  You won't see any fuckin iMac computers with sweet blue LED fans all over the thing.  You COULD use a mac to do stuff like C64/PCE/NES development, but you'll be gooning around with USB to Serial/Parallel cables since the Mac doesn't have those ports and has no other means to getting them.

the plastic Macbook casing is trash also.  I went through 2 batteries in a year with my brandnew Macbook.  The power cable for it broke in under 6 months.  The "Super drive" had to be replaced in 8 months.  I'm glad I drowned that fucker in Pepsi and sold it broken on eBay for like 800 bucks.  I put the hard drive in my PS3.  Suck on that, Jobs.

Insanity was burned on a 1x SCSI CD Burner.  What's that tell you?  Mac's aren't built to last anymore.  They used to be.  Power Macs were awesome.

and, Windows 7 is the greatest OS I have ever used.  It installs in under 30 minutes and is ready to go the second you boot to the desktop.  That rules.  There are a huge list of awesome things in Windows 7.  Windows 8 on the other hand, that shit is going to suck.  I don't want it.

I used OSX for about 2 years and was underwhelmed by it.  If I want that kind of environment, I'll use Linux.  I used to use Linux w/ a OSX theme and confuse people.  'HOW DID YOU GET OSX ON THAT NEC LAPTOP BRAH? WHATS AN NEC ? IS THAT FOREIGN"  Direct quote from some scarf-wearing-in-90-degree-weather idiot.

It looks sterile.  I can't stand the silvery gunmetal look to it.  The dock is one of the most annoying things on the planet.  The amount of useful software for someone like me can be counted on 2 hands with spare fingers left over. 

oh, and Apple mice are retarded.  The newest one looks like a friggin electric shaver.

Sure, I will recognize that OSX is nice and that it is stable.  It's snappy/responsive (but I sure crashed it constantly.  Just works my ass!)... but it's not really for me.  I need more than it can offer.  Apple wants you to treat your computer like an appliance.  Steve Jobs thought that early on.  He even looked at various household appliances for design ideas for the hardware.  They aren't made for power users.  Development for Apple platforms is irritating too.  Objective C is special ed and XCode is trash on a stick.

PC4Lyfe.  w/ some Linux if I feel like being an extra-douchey douche.

If Apple didn't charge out the ass for their products, I could maybe see myself liking them more.  I get more bang for my buck building my own PCs.  Then, I can blow more money on things that matter, like PCE games and guitars.

[OldRover]

The "it just works" shit is something they stole from FreeBSD, which is what OSX is largely based on. FreeBSD just works. OSX just breaks and their hardware is shitty. I don't understand how you can take a nearly-perfect system like FreeBSD and goon it up so fucking badly.

[DragonmasterDan]

The "it just works" shit is something they stole from FreeBSD, which is what OSX is largely based on. FreeBSD just works. OSX just breaks and their hardware is shitty. I don't understand how you can take a nearly-perfect system like FreeBSD and goon it up so fucking badly.

See OpenBSD or NetBSD

[Joe Redifer]

I'm not sure where this "OS X breaks" stuff is coming from.  That's clearly user error.  Shared printing is incredibly easy to set up, took me like 10 seconds and it works flawlessly.  As for Macs being more versatile, well, you can run OS X, Linux and Windows all on the same machine (either by direct boot or running multiple OSes simultaneously).  That's a lot harder to accomplish on a Windows machine.  Hackintosh environments aren't the most stable things known to man.  OSX is super cheap compared to Windows and there aren't 1,000 different versions of varied crippled-ness to pick from, but I know most of you likely pirate the software anyway.

As for the hardware, yeah it is easier to change shit out on a self-made non-Mac machine (don't try to tell me that computers built by Dell or whoever are better.  Bullshit.  ALWAYS build your own).  I don't give a rat's ass about laptops.  My Mac Pro can have any of its components changed out, including the processors.

I use OSX because of Final Cut Studio.  There is nothing else that compares in my opinion.  Adobe Premiere is good but it's certainly not as good (though it is about a billion times better than Final Cut Pro X which is just a joke).  But I don't bitch and whine about PCs and Windows like some here like to bitch and whine like babies about Macs.  I know how to use Windows.  I have nothing against it.  I don't even run any virus software on my Windows machines and I have never gotten a virus.  It's all about common sense where you go what what you download.  I think you guys must be jealous that Apple has so much money or something.  If you truly didn't care about Apple, you'd just brush it off with something like "Who cares?  I don't need that shit".  But instead Apple has hurt you.  And like a wounded dog you make a lot of noise, but nobody will come to help you.  So the lowest Mac laptop won't run shitty games like WoW at full settings... so don't buy one!  Why are you bitching about it if you didn't buy one?

I can understand any hatred for the "Apple culture".  The Apple commercials reek of elitism.  I hate that, too.  If I had a laptop and was forced to use it in a shitty place like Starbucks, I'd put electrical tape over that damn Apple logo because I wouldn't want to be one of those douches.  But this doesn't mean that everyone who owns or uses an Apple product is a douche.  Steve Jobs turned the company around from certain disaster and his abilities to be commended.  Nobody is saying that you need to like Apple or their products, but it was impressive from a business point of view.

[DragonmasterDan]

I'm not sure where this "OS X breaks" stuff is coming from.  That's clearly user error.  Shared printing is incredibly easy to set up, took me like 10 seconds and it works flawlessly.  As for Macs being more versatile, well, you can run OS X, Linux and Windows all on the same machine (either by direct boot or running multiple OSes simultaneously).  That's a lot harder to accomplish on a Windows machine.  Hackintosh environments aren't the most stable things known to man.  OSX is super cheap compared to Windows and there aren't 1,000 different versions of varied crippled-ness to pick from, but I know most of you likely pirate the software anyway.

I'll answer the first part. OSX breaks when you try running X-windows programs on it, at least it did up to OSX 10.4 or so which was the last version I was using. OSX has a Unix backbone but isn't very usable for someone who is really into using flavors of Unix (FreeBSD, Solaris even Linux).

As for the hardware, yeah it is easier to change shit out on a self-made non-Mac machine (don't try to tell me that computers built by Dell or whoever are better.  Bullshit.  ALWAYS build your own).  I don't give a rat's ass about laptops.  My Mac Pro can have any of its components changed out, including the processors.

I use OSX because of Final Cut Studio.  There is nothing else that compares in my opinion.  Adobe Premiere is good but it's certainly not as good (though it is about a billion times better than Final Cut Pro X which is just a joke).  But I don't bitch and whine about PCs and Windows like some here like to bitch and whine like babies about Macs.  I know how to use Windows.  I have nothing against it.  I don't even run any virus software on my Windows machines and I have never gotten a virus.  It's all about common sense where you go what what you download.  I think you guys must be jealous that Apple has so much money or something.  If you truly didn't care about Apple, you'd just brush it off with something like "Who cares?  I don't need that shit".  But instead Apple has hurt you.  And like a wounded dog you make a lot of noise, but nobody will come to help you.  So the lowest Mac laptop won't run shitty games like WoW at full settings... so don't buy one!  Why are you bitching about it if you didn't buy one?

Also it depends on why people dislike Apple. My three biggest problems with Apple are the lack of enterprise applications, the significant price difference from comparable hardware and what we'll get to in the next paragraph. For things like multimedia and publishing they're still a bit better than PCs if you're willing to spend the money. It's just that very few people are, and many people are upset to buy a Macintosh at a huge premium over a PC only to find it's not capable, even when using bootstrap loader and Windows of doing the same tasks as a cheaper PC.

I can understand any hatred for the "Apple culture".  The Apple commercials reek of elitism.  I hate that, too.  If I had a laptop and was forced to use it in a shitty place like Starbucks, I'd put electrical tape over that damn Apple logo because I wouldn't want to be one of those douches.  But this doesn't mean that everyone who owns or uses an Apple product is a douche.  Steve Jobs turned the company around from certain disaster and his abilities to be commended.  Nobody is saying that you need to like Apple or their products, but it was impressive from a business point of view.

This is most peoples biggest problem with Apple, it's not just the culture of elitism among diehards. It's the fact that to many of their diehards Apple is not a computer, phone and portable media player vendor, it's a social movement bordering on a religion.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Why are you bitching about it if you didn't buy one?

the plastic Macbook casing is trash also.  I went through 2 batteries in a year with my brandnew Macbook.  The power cable for it broke in under 6 months.  The "Super drive" had to be replaced in 8 months.  I'm glad I drowned that fucker in Pepsi and sold it broken on eBay for like 800 bucks.  I put the hard drive in my PS3.  Suck on that, Jobs.

I try every computer platform and every operating system before making bold, hate-filled remarks about them.  Don't knock it til you try it, .  I tried it.  I loled.

There was no user error while using my Macbook and sitting waiting for the pinwheel to stop spinning before I got bored and rebooted it.  Systems crash.  There is no such thing as a system that doesn't crash.  My Windows machines crash less than my Mac machine did.  A macbook with a C2D shouldn't crash/screw up while doing trivial shit like running a few emulators and programming stuff in XCode.   But, it did.  The fucker bottomed out daily while using Paralolz to try and do Windows-only things while still enjoying my justworksOSX.  What a trainwreck.

Why would you honestly want to run OSX if you have an IBM compatible that can run Linux, FreeBSD, and Windows.  The hell are you going to do on OSX that you cant do there besides Final Cut Studio?  Isn't that crap like 1000$ new?  If that's your thing, cool.

That seems to be what Macs do.  Video/Film crap.  I hate that shit, so it's no wonder I hate Macs.

I'm not really jealous about their money.  That's a stupid reason to not like someone.  I mean, I hate the white trash in trailer parks on the way downtown, and they're poor as fuck.

I use VMWare here to run some Linux VMs to do some retarded open-source related shit.  Past that I have never seen a purpose for running two OSes at once.  What is the point?  Someone has to have a good answer. 

also, I don't pirate Windows.  I get it for free from school.  \o/

GIVE ME DOS OR GIVE ME DEATH.

[Joe Redifer]

I hate this. I hate that.  You sure use the word "hate" a lot.  You just need somebody to love.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I can hate whatever I want.  If I don't like it, I hate it.



What's funny is, I love the Apple II.  That thing rules.  Anything from the Apple II line was pretty awesome. 

[Joe Redifer]

Nothing is mediocre?  Nothing is worth indifference towards?  Not even the Game Gear?

[Arkhan Asylum]

I can't be indifferent towards something that breeds douches that float around my school repeating commercials and sipping on Starbucks.  The only solution is rage.

[Joe Redifer]

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.  Those guys would be douches without Apple or even Starbucks.  Those types of douches latch on to Apple products.  Apple does not create douches. I thought you were smarter than this.  They latch onto something like Apple because it gives them an identity which they clearly don't have becuase they suck as individuals.  If not for Apple, they'd latch onto something else like Unix or TurboGrafx-16.

[PCEngineHell]

He's what I think of when I think of Apple.
When I think of Steve Jobs, I think of turtlenecks, douchebags, and stupid hardware that should be thrown against a wall.

Funny you should say that, reminded me of something. Every time I think of Commodore, I think of this:

[Arkhan Asylum]

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.  Those guys would be douches without Apple or even Starbucks.  Those types of douches latch on to Apple products.  Apple does not create douches. I thought you were smarter than this.  They latch onto something like Apple because it gives them an identity which they clearly don't have becuase they suck as individuals.  If not for Apple, they'd latch onto something else like Unix or TurboGrafx-16.

Oh you misunderstand.  If they were latched onto something like that, it wouldn't have a glowing Apple, it wouldn't be all over my Computer science classrooms, pissing me off constantly, and I wouldn't have to hear stupid ass commercials repeated constantly! .  It breeds douches means, it feeds the idiots crap to repeat like mindless drones in order to spread the word about the product.

Plus Unix latcher-onners are socially retarded and can be shutup by simply telling them shut the fuck up, or by beating them with their fannypacks.  If they were latched onto a retro console, there would be no hipster marketing bullshit to repeat constantly.  Apple is socially current.  It's happening now.  there is no TurboPhone, no PCEPa... oh wait. bad example...



and, lol, Jim Butterfield.  As hokey as that shit right there is, at least Butterfield knew his shit!

[TheClash603]

LOL, you couldn't be more wrong.  Those guys would be douches without Apple or even Starbucks.  Those types of douches latch on to Apple products.  Apple does not create douches. I thought you were smarter than this.  They latch onto something like Apple because it gives them an identity which they clearly don't have becuase they suck as individuals.  If not for Apple, they'd latch onto something else like Unix or TurboGrafx-16.

Exactly my point.  Apple is exploiting the lowest common denominator in society.  So many people believe these products are great, because they were told they were great so many times.

It's the reason the Tea Party is successful, just like Triumph of the Will pumped up a nation a long time ago.  People like to get pumped up and follow the masses.  If you are not with the masses, you are generally considered weird.  "What's that Sansa MP3 player?  It must suck."

We are on a TG16 fan site...  if anything, our system's death has a lot to do with this group think mentality.  Apple is the latest in line, there have been many before, and there will be many if the future.

Remember when Starter jackets costs $150 because they were the best?  Now North Face cost $200 because they are the best.  Are either of these things actually the best?

The majority of what we spend money on as Americans is advertising.  When you buy a product, how come companies only make 20% margins on something that cost $3 to make and they sell for $80 (here's looking at you Nike, another great example).  It is because even though their slave laborers make $1 a week to make the shoes, it costs them $50 a pair to market.

Long rant, maybe got off point...  but anyway, Apple is overrated hardware, period.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Apple convinces dumbasses that they know how to operate a computer as good as programmers/engineers.

[Joe Redifer]

If anyone actually thinks that because they own an Apple, they have far, far bigger problems in life.

Anyway, Macs aren't tremendously popular.  You see a lot of their laptops, but that is about it.  They have less than 5% of the market I think.  The average "Apple user" is an iPhone or iPad-totin' fool.  I have an iPod Touch and I do think it is cool, but I don't think I am cool because of it.  I do not like how the device is closed in the sense that you cannot move things off of it.  That is why I have apps like Pod to Mac and iPhone Explorer (there are also PC versions) which let me treat the thing like a USB drive like it should be.  I have pointed this out to Apple people in Cupertino or wherever the hell they are when we were screen sharing.  The guy was trying to get me to press certain things in iTunes that would, of course, delete everything on my iPod.  I didn't fall for it.  He kept insisting that I use iTunes to sync my shit.  Screw that!

Anyway, my point is that as afraid of Apple as everyone is, you have nothing to fear from them.  Your trusty, cheap-as-dirt PC is in no danger of going away.  But I think the Mac Pro market is.  I think Apple wants to dumb down their target audience, get away from professional users (ie people who actually use their computers to create stuff for their livlihood) and only appeal to grandmas who surf the net.  At least that was where it was headed with Jobs behind the wheel.

[geise]

Yeah a co-worker of mine forked out about $8k for his mac desktop!  I looked at the specs on it and it's some insane shit!  I priced it out in PC parts that would equal what he just spent.  It was actually $3k cheaper.  He stands by the fact that it's made better and the two 27" mac monitors he has are better displays, but holy fuck it's $8k.  He does a shit ton of freelance though and wrote the $8k mac off as a business expense.  So, he said that paid for a good bit of it.  He wanted a machine that could last him at least 4 years.