So there's this Dino Force alpha version...

[geise]

So getting back on topic, Akiba Games is handling the Dino Force sale.

"We will take all offer over 500,000 Yens ONLY, from 1 November to 12 November."

http://moemoe-japan.oxatis.com/PBCPPlayer.asp?ADContext=1&ID=1250110

500,000.00 JPY    =    6,211.01 USD

Hmmm...since it's only offers over that price and I'm such a nice guy I think I'll offer 10k.

And on a serious note when was this "100% development-completed prototype."

 :

[shubibiman]

So, who's OK for a funding of a common purchase? I'd be ready to put 100/150$

[PCEngineHell]

For a game I only saw 3 seconds of crammed in with a shity star wars intro, that is supposedly only a alpha copy, umm yeah, no thanks.

[CrackTiger]

I'd chip in $100.

[shubibiman]

We can still ask for more pics. And anyway, we'll have to make sure that someone living in Japan can check that the thing is legit. There are enough of trustworthy members living in Japan who can do that for the whole community.

[Flare65]

From what little I've seen of this game, it looks shitty.  As much as i love the PC Engine/TG16, there was a ton of shit games that were released for it and this one looks like another turd to throw on the pile.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Release a physical copy. Give some money to Beagle, everybody wins.

I'm Paranoia Dragon, & I approve of this message!

[PCEngineHell]

I'm suspect of the quality of the game myself simply due to them only wanting to show a few seconds of the game. No enemies, no letting you hear music or sound fx. It leaves me to believe the game probably really is crap. I mean, them actually showing gameplay is not going to hurt the value unless the game is just utter shit. If it's a good game I mean, then they have no reason not to show more gameplay and boost interest.

[VestCunt]

I'm suspect of the quality of the game myself simply due to them only wanting to show a few seconds of the game. No enemies, no letting you hear music or sound fx. It leaves me to believe the game probably really is crap.

From what little I've seen of this game, it looks shitty.  As much as i love the PC Engine/TG16, there was a ton of shit games that were released for it and this one looks like another turd to throw on the pile.

You guys are probably right, but why piss all over the thread? Prof - I know you expressed interest in Pit Fighter, but there seem to be a few members here who never want to see another game added to the PCE/TG library for the rest of their lives.

Sure, there are 600-700 other games available for the PCE. I get that. Yes, Implode sucks, MB and Insanity are ancient arcade clones, Mysterious Song was available for free ten years ago, the backgrounds in Xymati show weird neighborhoods without roads, Dino Force probably sucks, and other ports of Marble Madness were made. Why state the obvious? You're entitled to your opinions, but I'm sick of listening to the Bitch and Moan LP every time an unreleased game is discussed. Negativity kills enthusiasm and without enthusiasm no one develops games or shares prototypes for unprofitable dead consoles.

I don't care about the caliber of new releases. The TG is favorite system and I'll welcome any hacked, ill-conceived homebrew and unfinished prototype that I can add to my shelf.

Now, if you guys don't mind, I'm going to get excited and fap all over my collection.

[OldRover]

Ugh... Pit Fighter is one of the worst fighting games ever devised, but despite that, I dropped quite a few quarters into a Pit Fighter machine in my youth and would be willing to give it a proper PCE conversion someday.

[PCEngineHell]

Because you mentioned homebrew, I'd like to say that part of the trap that goes hand in hand with that is that sometimes the people doing the games are really programming games they want to play personally, rather then the general audience. Usually it works out well anyway, but sometimes not so much. For me I really only prefer to spend money on stuff I know for sure I will play, if only for a few times anyway. I just like making sure I am going to get my moneys worth, and yeah, I'm going to be critical on everything, graphics, music, soundfx, controls, etc at times. My game buying habits as a adult are the same as they were when I was a kid. I want to have fun with what I play, and I want to be impressed. Why should I give anyone my money if neither happens?

When I know the system hardware is capable of doing a lot, I expect a lot to be done on the system. I guess to some extent that makes me spoiled. But then again, I find I even enjoy weird odd ball stuff like Robodemons on Nes, which could pass for a subpar homebrew visually, but is so out there otherwise that it kinda makes up for the lack of visuals and tight controls.

I had hopes for Dinoforce due to the screen shots, but seriously man, somethings up if they are not willing to show more then what they did. I am sure someone will nab it regardless for 6 grand or whatever, but whoever does prob wont release it. And if the game sucks, you know they will be too embarrassed to admit it after putting up that much scratch over it. What I'd really hate to see is people here putting in 100-150 per person only to end up with a total dud.

While you might be happy with the outcome, because you're just desperate for anything new you can get your hands on, others may feel screwed if it ends up sucking. Even at 100 bucks, I'd want to know what I was getting in advance, especially after the Eat Communism joke too. Due to that, for all you know someone could have taken a note from that and faked the actual prototype from scratch. Knowing what you're getting into is a reasonable request, and the people behind this sale seem to be inclined to hold back that kind of info due to what evidently seems to be Solid Snakes old nemesis Big Boss's request for details to be withheld. If I saw enough of the game to know it is complete enough to be considered a finished product that looks fun, I'd consider throwing down 50 bucks or so into a group effort. As is, no way would I do so.

And speaking of Pit-Fighter, I'd pay good money for a Arcade Card port of Time Killers, if someone actually wanted to bother working out a deal with Incredible Technologies and Strata for the rights. Or for that matter if someone made something similar, corny, fun, and ultra violent. Not like the TG/PCE couldn't handle it with a arcade card and all. I'd even be willing to help with character design.

[lord_cack]

Or for that matter if someone made something similar, corny, fun, and ultra violent. Not like the TG/PCE couldn't handle it with a arcade card and all. I'd even be willing to help with character design.

Now THIS is something I can get behind, EVERYTIME! Something original. I think whats nice about this community is that it really does have a lot of people willing to program titles (of course if we could all work together that would be awesome as well hehe) Sure, its their hobby not their job and you will have to wait till they have the time to complete the games but original titles and ideas coming out would be the best.

[PCEngineHell]

Seriously. I mean, you have titles like Time Killers, Smash TV, Bloodstorm, Eternal Champions, Pit Fighter, MK1, Survival Arts, etc. Nice, ultra violent, trashy, didn't take their-selves too seriously, and were just plain fun to play. Theres no reason why the same thing cant be done on the Tg/Pce. I mean, can you imagine Arkhan taking his experience from working on Insanity, and using that to make a game similar to Smash TV, with a gameshow theme, and ultra violence, but lets say have it in a old haunted mansion type setting with zombies, demons, etc?

[OldRover]

I've thought about doing Smash TV... after all, the NES got a friggin conversion, so doing it on the PCE would be braindead simple. Time Killers is another *horrible* game but that just leaves plenty of room for improvement... concepts are fucking cool but the execution sucks goat nads. That'd be a pretty sweet ACD six-button game if it was tightened up a bit. It's supposed to be a secret, but Fragmare and I started on a Mortal Kombat conversion a few years back but we didn't get very far on it... it's a lot of work to rip all those sprites, and we lacked a proper ACD library at the time (it was the reason I started making my own). Now, Tom's ACD library is out and it's pretty damn good so making an ACD game today is just a matter of preparation of the data transfers.

[PCEngineHell]

Another couple of games that come to mind, Two Crude Dudes and Dead Connection.

[Sadler]

Let's set up a legit source for this. Indiegogo, trusted member, whatever. I'm up for a few hundred.

EDIT: I'm talking about Dino Force here.

[OldRover]

Hah, Dead Connection would be interesting... come to think of it, that too has crossed my mind once... but figured that the whole bit of single-screen action might be a bit... well, substandard for the PCE's capabilities.

[lkermel]

Count me in for Dino Force - I'm ready to put $100

[shubibiman]

Cool! We're already 4 members at Necstasy ready to put 100€ in for a public release.

[lord_cack]

 

[Frank_fjs]

I mean, them actually showing gameplay is not going to hurt the value unless the game is just utter shit. If it's a good game I mean, then they have no reason not to show more gameplay and boost interest.

To quote from the seller of this game:

"About the video, many people seems to be upset of it cause they can't see anything. We know that only few people can afford this kind of purchase, even we planed to make a 1 minute in game video, we had to canceled it.
The peoples who made offers, told us to do not "share" more informations about it."

It's the selfish attitude of prospective buyers that will keep this game in lock-down. Once purchased we will probably never see or hear anything about it again, until it goes back on the market at an inflated price.

[PCEngineHell]

I mean, them actually showing gameplay is not going to hurt the value unless the game is just utter shit. If it's a good game I mean, then they have no reason not to show more gameplay and boost interest.

To quote from the seller of this game:

"About the video, many people seems to be upset of it cause they can't see anything. We know that only few people can afford this kind of purchase, even we planed to make a 1 minute in game video, we had to canceled it.
The peoples who made offers, told us to do not "share" more informations about it."

It's the selfish attitude of prospective buyers that will keep this game in lock-down. Once purchased we will probably never see or hear anything about it again, until it goes back on the market at an inflated price.

Thats if people really requested that. Sounds like BS. I seriously doubt any real prospective buyers would flat out not want to see what they were getting in advance. That just sounds stupid.

[TurboXray]

I mean, them actually showing gameplay is not going to hurt the value unless the game is just utter shit. If it's a good game I mean, then they have no reason not to show more gameplay and boost interest.

To quote from the seller of this game:

"About the video, many people seems to be upset of it cause they can't see anything. We know that only few people can afford this kind of purchase, even we planed to make a 1 minute in game video, we had to canceled it.
The peoples who made offers, told us to do not "share" more informations about it."

It's the selfish attitude of prospective buyers that will keep this game in lock-down. Once purchased we will probably never see or hear anything about it again, until it goes back on the market at an inflated price.

Thats if people really requested that. Sounds like BS. I seriously doubt any real prospective buyers would flat out not want to see what they were getting in advance. That just sounds stupid.

This is reminding me more and more of Eat Communism. (Where's that smiley face icon where it's eating popcorn, when I need it?)

[PCEngineHell]

I mean, them actually showing gameplay is not going to hurt the value unless the game is just utter shit. If it's a good game I mean, then they have no reason not to show more gameplay and boost interest.

To quote from the seller of this game:

"About the video, many people seems to be upset of it cause they can't see anything. We know that only few people can afford this kind of purchase, even we planed to make a 1 minute in game video, we had to canceled it.
The peoples who made offers, told us to do not "share" more informations about it."

It's the selfish attitude of prospective buyers that will keep this game in lock-down. Once purchased we will probably never see or hear anything about it again, until it goes back on the market at an inflated price.

Thats if people really requested that. Sounds like BS. I seriously doubt any real prospective buyers would flat out not want to see what they were getting in advance. That just sounds stupid.

This is reminding me more and more of Eat Communism. (Where's that smiley face icon where it's eating popcorn, when I need it?)

Yeah I know. Thats part of the problem right there, and partially why I'm kinda worried for that matter that that joke may have spawned a potential scam possibly. Leaves a lot up for speculation. At least The Tg and PCE already have a ton of awesome shooters. I imagine if this situation had occurred involving some shooter starved platform like the Jaguar, 32X, or 3DO instead, there would be a lot of anger and some real heavy bitching going on.

[shubibiman]

Who's this post a reply to?

[lord_cack]

Its in response to this

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13443.0

Honestly, I have a great game idea, it may only be one level and may take you about 3 minutes to complete but would you be willing to pay $6,000 dollars to fund it for me?

Im not angry that a person would do this, I just don't understand it because its not how I think. It just kind of blows my mind

The willingness to pay that much for this snipet of game. Why not just say, hey Homebrewers, we will help fund you and your new game ideas (don't get the idea I am asking, Im just creating an alternate point of view)?

[shubibiman]

As long as someone can go and check that the game is legit and really complete, then why not try? It's not like we're gonna pay whatever happens. If it's just level 1, then there's no way we're gonna buy it.

And I can tell you a lot of french fans would be glad to participe in a kickstarter anytimes a homebrew team goes for it.

[TheClash603]

Just read through this thread and I will admit it is weird as hell when people get an undiscovered game and want it all for themselves.

The second I find something fun, I like to share it with everyone.  This one time happened with an odd Famicom pirate I found.  All the people on Famicom World asked to see more and I showed without hesitation.

There is this weird rich spoiled brat syndrome amongst the 1% equivalent of gamers that is disgusting.  These are people I would never want to sit down and beat Cadash with (do they even play the games?), nonetheless even talk to.

Hope if the buyer is one of these lame asses they choke on the game, at least it will be going to good use when no one else can see it

[Mathius]

Holy fuck  It's rich dingleberries like that that make me ashamed of my community. At least I know you guys have some decency.

[geise]

Has DavidG moved onto PC-Engine now? 

[Arkhan Asylum]

I ain't paying shit for this crap.

I vote everyone take their fundraiser offering and take it to the Sinistron relief fund thread.   Pretty sure we need to help him out more than we need a probably-shitty game.

Why not cancel all your purchases in life and donate everything you have to those less fortunate than yourself?

People choosing to do spend their money on one thing doesn't take away from anything else. You might as well spam every buy/sell thread on the forum too since that takes away money from Sinistron just as much.

Jeeze.  My point is all that money would be better spent helping a community member get back on his feet.  Nevermind some dumb prototype.  ACTUAL turbob shit was hosed by a storm.  Stuff worth way more than this retarded game.  

Your strawman argument is broken.  This is a fundraiser to get the game prototype.   There is currently a more worthy fund raiser on this forum,and I am willing to bet money that the dumb prototype has more money pledged.   

It's cool and all that we want to get a prototype dumped, but it's not like its going to be a fun game.  One of us could probably look at screenshots and recreate a better prototype and just pass that stupid thing around instead.

There are cooler fuckin prototypes/unreleased games that I might give more shits about than this one.


I'm thrilled some people here want to throw out 50-100$ to get the thing.   Maybe I will check the dumped rom out and play it and laugh at it.

[lord_cack]

I'm thrilled some people here want to throw out 50-100$ to get the thing.

Maybe the price of Homebrew just went up .... no, thats not true. But its funny....

[MotherGunner]

Unless Thibaut buys it, someone will eventually dump the rom.

[PCEngineHell]

Has any new info on this popped up? Last I heard the owner wasn't willing to let people see/play it in person prior to sell, and there was some other drama going on due to that and other things, and the sale eventually got snuffed after the Op started editing and removing his own post.

[Otaking]

This thread and the Assembler one makes me sad, I feel sorry for the Japanese bloke naively thinking it was a good idea to sell the game to Westerners on the internet.

[CrackTiger]

Has any new info on this popped up? Last I heard the owner wasn't willing to let people see/play it in person prior to sell, and there was some other drama going on due to that and other things, and the sale eventually got snuffed after the Op started editing and removing his own post.

Maybe it never existed.

[PCEngineHell]

This thread and the Assembler one makes me sad, I feel sorry for the Japanese bloke naively thinking it was a good idea to sell the game to Westerners on the internet.

Umm yeah..........

[ParanoiaDragon]

Mmm, I don't know if selling it to Westerner's was a bad idea, I think it was just handled badly.  Just the fact that no one can try it out before hand to check if it's legit, is straight up wack yo!

[CrackTiger]

Mmm, I don't know if selling it to Westerner's was a bad idea, I think it was just handled badly.  Just the fact that no one can try it out before hand to check if it's legit, is straight up wack yo!

Westerners are a bad idea.

Dino Force should be hidden like PC Cocoron was by a true Japanese person.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I don't understand why Westerner's are a bad idea, are Westerner's more likely to hoard it?  I mean, I'd love to snatch the game up & release it one way or another if I could.

[SignOfZeta]

Westerners are more likely to jump all over your shit, that's for sure.

[Otaking]

I edited my original post so admittedly the statement left is unintentionally ambiguous and worded badly.
I can't be bothered to flesh out and re-clarify my point more as it will ironically drag me into what I have come to deeply despise which is pointless drama on gaming forums.

[Tatsujin]

like PC Cocoron was

was? is it released by now?

[Tatsujin]

I don't understand why Westerner's are a bad idea, are Westerner's more likely to hoard it? 

unless all westerner's = french, then "no", else "yes".

[esteban]

I edited my original post so admittedly the statement left is unintentionally ambiguous and worded badly.
I can't be bothered to flesh out and re-clarify my point more as it will ironically drag me into what I have come to deeply despise which is pointless drama on gaming forums.

What the fuck is your problem, asshole?


  Just kidding. 

[Arkhan Asylum]

I don't understand why Westerner's are a bad idea, are Westerner's more likely to hoard it? 

unless all westerner's = french, then "no", else "yes".

French are the biggest hoarders of them all!

[CrackTiger]

like PC Cocoron was

was? is it released by now?

One of those lousy easterners got a hold of a 100% Alpha copy and is keeping it from the public. They only released shrunken emulated screenshots to prove that they are 133ter than the rest of us collecting n00bs.

It was a socialist American who betrayed his international coconspirators and made Space Fantasy Zone public. So as far as games not being lost forever, it seems that the more western a person, the more likely that the game will eventually make its way out to the public.

[PCEngineHell]

Possibly. But like I pointed out before, this kind of retarded bullshit did not really happen concerning arcade game stuff and Mame emulation, etc. That side of things, those people involved from all over the world, really did/do seem more concerned about sharing and preserving the games then what the console side of things does. Whenever prototype stuff comes up and its console related, I automatically want to tune out because its always been a money and greed fueled topic unless the game is just really shity in general.

[sirhcman]

Maybe it never existed.

You are probably right!

[Tatsujin]

like PC Cocoron was

was? is it released by now?

One of those lousy easterners got a hold of a 100% Alpha copy and is keeping it from the public.

yeah, I know about that. therefore my question about your "PC Cocoron was"