Nintendo's best console

Nazi NecroPhile · 04/30/2007, 01:27 PM

SNES closely followed by the NES. With so many great games on the SNES, the later consoles don't even come close.

If you'll allow a write in vote, gimme the Color TV Game 15. Old-old school - that's just how I roll.

Kitsunexus · 04/30/2007, 06:23 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 04/30/2007, 01:09 PMTingle is a character from the Zelda series, first introduced in Majora's Mask. He's gotten very popular and has gotten two games of his own. This, and the new Tingle RPG for the DS. He's been voted as they gayest video character ever by ~~some homosexuality site~~ 95% of the gaming community.

Fixed your quote for you.

guyjin · 04/30/2007, 06:23 PM

Wow, I'd totally forgotten about Nintendo making pong clones.

but voting for a pong clone above even the n64 is beyond reason.

Kitsunexus · 04/30/2007, 06:40 PM

Quote from: guyjin on 04/30/2007, 06:23 PMWow, I'd totally forgotten about Nintendo making pong clones.

but voting for a pong clone above even the n64 is beyond reason.

It DOES look cooler than a Atari/Telegames PONG unit:

SignOfZeta · 04/30/2007, 08:05 PM

I voted SNES because it is, in itself, my favorite system ever. Regardless of my feelings for SNES-era stuff, Nintendo themslves should be most proud of that machine. It was very custom and aside from the PCE it can kind of be said to be a forerunner of todays "everything is custom" system design. Virtually all the top games of the day where either SNES exclusive, or better on SNES.

Other reasons:

The sound chip is pure butter. Easily the best game related thing Sony will ever make

I would pay mad cash for a stand-alone keyboard with a SNES soundchip at its core.

The composite output is probably the best I've ever seen. Games like Tetris Attack and Final Fantasy VI just look wonderful.

The Famicom was more dominent, but honestly I never really cared for it. The arcade ports were almost all garbage (Ikari, Strider, WTF is this crap?) and while the MMCs made several impressive things spossible, they only seem to have been able to pull it off by making the system look like it was about to barf. I don't know how many NES brawlers I played where you could only seen the dudes' legs, or upper body, but never both at the same time. The NES's big strength was the pre-MMC stuff, IMO, like...Donky Kong, or Mario Bros. Not impressive, but at least solid and flicker-free.

The N64 blew chunks. Pace of good releases was about one a year through its whole life, and even most of those were loaded with fog. Most disapointing machine ever.

The Cube is like the N64, only not shit. Heavy emphasis on multi-player, which is good. A lot more original titles like Bomberman Land 2, Gundam (Pilots Locust, or whatever its called. I have it but I can't find it right now), Killer 7 (well, its Cube exclusive in Japan anway), Wind Waker. Also the GB Player is rad and there are more than enough Super Fucking Monkey Ball games, which I also love.

The Wii looks like it might be better than the Cube, but its hard to say.

Kitsunexus · 04/30/2007, 08:14 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/30/2007, 08:05 PMI would pay mad cash for a stand-alone keyboard with a SNES soundchip at its core.

Why? The SPC700 doesn't even have fucking FILTERS... if you want a shit digital keyboard get the Kawai K4 and leave the SPC700 in the SNES.

Keranu · 04/30/2007, 08:15 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 04/30/2007, 08:05 PMThe arcade ports were almost all garbage (Ikari, Strider, WTF is this crap?)

NES arcade ports certainly weren't arcade perfect, but often they made changes to make it more unique and I think the games usually turned out better.

Joe Redifer · 04/30/2007, 08:18 PM

If only the Turbo could have tons of reverb in all of its games. If only, if only....

esteban · 04/30/2007, 09:07 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 04/30/2007, 06:58 AM
Quote from: stevek666 on 04/29/2007, 10:33 PMHell, even Balloon Fight kicks your ass. I love that game.
Even...? Even? What do you mean by "even"? Balloon Fight happens to be the greatest piece of software any human's ever written. It is THE game. This is what justifies the video game industry. It could easily live on with just this single title released again and again and again...

Needless to say, I think Ballon Fight's all right.

Hahahaha.

We agree on something

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Kitsunexus · 04/30/2007, 09:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 04/30/2007, 08:18 PMIf only the Turbo could have tons of reverb in all of its games. If only, if only....

For you Joe, with apologies to black_tiger:
http://www.savefile.com/files/681922

Not as much as the SNES though... ;)

JoshTurboTrollX · 04/30/2007, 10:52 PM

I voted SNES-

Heres how I would rate them in order-

1. SNES
2. NES
3. GC
4. Wii
5. N64

Probably too soon to rate the Wii, but its already better than the N64.

Matter of fact if you would consider the Virtual Boy a console- I would rate that ahead of the N64 as well!

Mainly because The VB tried something original, and the N64 had all the momentum in the world carrying over from the SNES. And it dropped the ball BIG TIME!!! It was SUCH A LET DOWN!!

The GameCube was a step in the right direction for nintendo, but had a hard time shaking off the stigma that the N64 left on the Nintendo name.

GUTS · 04/30/2007, 10:56 PM

Whoever it was that was badmouthing the Gameboy player is completely and utterly wrong in every aspect. There is no blurriness, it's not emulation, and there is no choppiness that isn't present when playing on an actual GBA.

TR0N · 04/30/2007, 11:22 PM

Quote from: GUTS on 04/30/2007, 10:56 PMWhoever it was that was badmouthing the Gameboy player is completely and utterly wrong in every aspect. There is no blurriness, it's not emulation, and there is no choppiness that isn't present when playing on an actual GBA.

Agreed it's the reason i still have my, GC.

Thanks to that device it has let me get more use out my cube.

Plus it save me the trouble of getting a GBA... since i'm not a fan of handhelds.

grahf · 04/30/2007, 11:30 PM

Gameboy Player for president!

Oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention the best part of the GBPlayer: the eject mechanism. Its fucking fantastic! The eject on the US SNES is really springy feeling and tends to make the games fly out. The PAL and Japanese SNES have badass eject buttons. But Even those dont compare to the GBPlayers eject. BEST EJECT MECHANISM on any console, past present and future.

Seldane · 05/01/2007, 07:56 AM

What the? The Game Boy Player doesn't have an eject mechanism.

It's phuggin' impossible to get the carts out of that thing, I have to lift the whole GC up in order to reach for that "handle" thing on the underside of the cartridge.

PS: GBP sucks.

But I guess it's mostly because the GBA itself sucks. Pretty much not a single game worth playing on that system, no. Why? The graphics and sound is painful to watch/hear. Oh, and because of the blurry picture.

Digi.k · 05/01/2007, 08:37 AM

I quite liked the GBA player for the gamecube..

my old gamecube set up...which I honestly thought it was 'cute' the broadband adapter, ascii keyboard etc

I don't have them anymore but ever since PSO fell victim to hackers I honestly had no reason to keep a gamecube after that.. all sold off on ebay XD.

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my old ASCII keyboard for gamecube.. had it shipped to the uk via EMS from hong kong was bloody expensive and was slightly pissed having the box getting slight damage in post! and those keys on that thing were tiny...

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and personally I think the SNES was the best mostly because I thought that companies like Konami, Square etc were at their best

grahf · 05/01/2007, 09:10 AM

Quote from: Seldane on 05/01/2007, 07:56 AMWhat the? The Game Boy Player doesn't have an eject mechanism. It's phuggin' impossible to get the carts out of that thing, I have to lift the whole GC up in order to reach for that "handle" thing on the underside of the cartridge.

You'd be surprised how many people have no clue about the eject. I didnt even know myself until reading it online. Careful though, its capable of firing a gamepak halfway across the room if you dont respect its power

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 09:17 AM

Quote from: grahf on 05/01/2007, 09:10 AMCareful though, its capable of firing a gamepak halfway across the room if you dont respect its power

That sounds more fun than actually playing games on it...

Seldane · 05/01/2007, 10:30 AM

NICE! Thanks for the info! Works great! That switch was huge, how could I ever miss it? Oh wait, I know....

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I will need to move the SNES a bit so that I can press that eject switch whenever I need it. Oh wait... that's going to be a bit of a problem...

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Hmm, but that's okay, I'll just move the PCE as well...

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Well damn. Well, the Saturn's not so wide. Just slide it over a little...

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Nazi NecroPhile · 05/01/2007, 10:34 AM

Seldane - why don't you send that Saturn to me? Problem solved with room to spare!

Seldane · 05/01/2007, 10:38 AM

Well, it's a PAL system. Not much need for that in your region, eh? Pleease let me keep it.

grahf · 05/01/2007, 01:00 PM

Curse those unstackable systems! And curse you PAL guys with your normal looking SNESs. Anyone want to trade a fresh american SNES for a Pal system?

Nazi NecroPhile · 05/01/2007, 02:02 PM

All right Seldane, if you insist.

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 05:58 PM

Quote from: grahf on 05/01/2007, 01:00 PMCurse those unstackable systems! And curse you PAL guys with your normal looking SNESs. Anyone want to trade a fresh american SNES for a Pal system?

Just get a SNES2... It's the same design as the Super Famicom Jr. but with the US logo and color scheme (and of course is a NTSC-using US playing gaming machine monster).
The SFC Jr. is bottom right, SNES2 is bottom left:

Also, the SNES2 will not yellow over time. FTW!

grahf · 05/01/2007, 06:11 PM

No svideo output on the evil minis

. Ive owned a SFC junior in the past, as well as a mini or two (one of which became a portable). I'm currently using a Super Famicom with the cart slot widened a bit to fit US carts, like i've seen some of you PAL guys do to play US games.

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 06:30 PM

Quote from: grahf on 05/01/2007, 06:11 PMNo svideo output on the evil minis .

There's no SVideo out on the original SNES, either...

grahf · 05/01/2007, 07:24 PM

Sure, ive got mine hooked up via s-video. I bought the svideo cable from nintendo.com

CrackTiger · 05/01/2007, 07:27 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 05/01/2007, 06:30 PM
Quote from: grahf on 05/01/2007, 06:11 PMNo svideo output on the evil minis .
There's no SVideo out on the original SNES, either...

The original sure does support S-Video.

I bought a clean complete SNES2, not realizing that it doesn't do S-Video. I've since purchased a couple original models, but just like the last 3 or 4 I bought before, they all have problems.

Seldane · 05/01/2007, 07:40 PM

SNES is such a weak system! I've had at least six of them (two are still working). One being a mini model, but it never worked. Crap seller on Ebay.

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 07:52 PM

Quote from: guest on 05/01/2007, 07:27 PM
Quote from: Kitsunexus on 05/01/2007, 06:30 PM
Quote from: grahf on 05/01/2007, 06:11 PMNo svideo output on the evil minis .
There's no SVideo out on the original SNES, either...
The original sure does support S-Video.

I bought a clean complete SNES2, not realizing that it doesn't do S-Video. I've since purchased a couple original models, but just like the last 3 or 4 I bought before, they all have problems.

WTF, you mean the original ugly-ass brick SNES? Maybe with a cable perhaps, but there is no dedicated port...

I made a vid showing you that my SNES doesn't have it, I'll put it on Youtube in a sec...

Joe Redifer · 05/01/2007, 07:59 PM

There is no dedicated composite port, either.

I still have the Nintendo-brand s-video cable that they sold at Toys R Us.

SignOfZeta · 05/01/2007, 08:20 PM

Quote from: SeldanePS: GBP sucks. But I guess it's mostly because the GBA itself sucks. Pretty much not a single game worth playing on that system, no. Why? The graphics and sound is painful to watch/hear. Oh, and because of the blurry picture.

Are you...crazy? The GBA has the best library of any system since...the SNES. Actually, its a much better library than the SNES.

I'll be playing GBA when I'm 100 years old.

Seldane · 05/01/2007, 08:22 PM

Name one good GBA game.

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 08:39 PM

Ecks Vs. Sever.

And here's the vid -

Completely usless now that I know it's a cable... but you can see how dirty my SNES is! (I haven't cleaned it up yet after not playing it for 10 years...)

MrFulci · 05/01/2007, 08:46 PM

The SNES 1 I know for sure can support S-Video. Nintendo used the same jack (NTSC) for the A/V cables on the SNES, N64, and GameCube. However most gamecubes also have a jack for the composite video out cables which isn't present on the SNES or N^$ models (That I know of).

You can use the S-Video A/V cables with the eithe of those systems.

I've never had many problems with systems to just call a partiular type, "junk". Though, the Turbo Express does have that sound issue...

The Atari 5200 I used to own had the AWFUL controller problems. Controllers became useless.

NES had that fun flash that would occur after so many years. However, I found the game genie nearly always got around that issue, just don't enter any codes and it's as if you're not using a game genie.

Every system seems to have a special flaw that shows up after so many years.

Most of the time, when I encounter a damaged/peculiar system, it has to do with a loose jack. Most of those times it's a loose power jack, where the plug has to be held at an angle for the unit to stay powered on.

Seldane, i notice you "poo-poo" on a lot of stuff; pc engine, gb player, etc. What games and systems do you really like?

As far as good GBA games, I find the Final Fantasy 1 and 2 port to be pretty decent, along with Link and the Super Mario Bros 3 port. Though the voice in SMB3 makes me cringe, I wish there was an option to turn that off. Double Dragon for the GBA is supposed to be pretty decent, I may pick that up sometime.

What I enjoy about the GBA (with the GBP) is it's almost like a recent 2D system. The carts are a bit low in price, which helps. I'd say the GBA (through a GBP) is, "not bad".

Kit, insteresting vid, funny you point out the yellow, hah. Many of those systems didn't take long to yellow.

MrFulci · 05/01/2007, 08:48 PM

Kit, also, now that I see more of your vid.... I no long have an SNES to test my S-Video cable on (hooked up to the "GameboyCube" right now), though from what I've read and seen, I'm pretty sure one would work in that jack.

Look around, the cable is not pricey.

edited to be more clear..... *It's that first jack you point out on the rear. The jack where the other A/V cables plug into. There is an S-Video version of that cable.

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 08:51 PM

I'll look for one, my computer video capture card has S/Video so that would be very nice.

Also, don't worry about Seldane, he knows what he likes and he likes nothing else. Kind of weird but very respectable. ;)

CrackTiger · 05/01/2007, 09:04 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 05/01/2007, 08:22 PMName one good GBA game.

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon

QuoteKit, also, now that I see more of your vid.... I no long have an SNES to test my S-Video cable on (hooked up to the "GameboyCube" right now), though from what I've read and seen, I'm pretty sure one would work in that jack.

I just use a universal PS2/GC/Xbox S-Video cable with my old rotten SNESes.

SignOfZeta · 05/01/2007, 09:41 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 05/01/2007, 08:22 PMName one good GBA game.

Well the one I'm playing now is Final Fanasty VI, which is bascially the same as the SNES but with raspy sound and slightly smoother scaling. Its good. The GBA is bascially a handheld SNES. How the hell can that be bad? Its like the SNES came back from the dead and picked up where it left off. Someone mention the FF 1+2 port, but I actually like the Wonderswan version of FF 1 more since it used the original spell system than the FC one had, and its way harder.

Some GBA games I've very much enjoyed (none of which are ports).

Inital D: Another Stage: This is a racing strategy game. Very unique approach. One chooses racing lines, and braking techniques from a menu. There is a spirit bar and stuff. Most people would prefer the arcade game (or the lame PS2 port of the arcade game) but this one wins for originality. Also, the graphics are fantastic.

Super Robot Wars J: This is is so technically amazing it can't be described. Watch the movies on youtube. The series selection was better in SRW D, and W has better graphics, but J is soooooo damn good for a lowly handheld game. There are actually six SRW games on GBA, but I mainly recomend D,and J. Maybe OG2.

Advance Wars: Much has been said about this one. I don't need to add to it.

Haro no Puyo Puyo: Puyo Puyo with SD Gundam characters. Not as lavish as it should be, but still nice. Color blind people are screwed though (even more than usual with Puyo games).

Three *real* Castlevanias: My favorite is Harmony of Dissonance, but everyone else seems to like that one the least.

Mario Kart: Super Circuit: The only really good sequel to the original (amazing) SNES game. The SNES tracks are even included.

Astro Boy: Ahh! Shit! I love this game to death! I completed the Japanese version twice, and the US version 5 times. I heard the EU version is slighly improved (just as the US version was slightly improved over the JP one). If this is the case, I need to get that one too. Easily my favorite platform game since Yoshi's Island.

Final Firepro Wrestling: If you like Firepro, this is very good. If you are like the other %99.9 of the world that doesn't care, then...you don't care.

There are many more good GBA games. I think if you can't enjoy the GBA you just hate life/games/fun. I mean, shit the GBA has fucking Ganbare Dunk Heroes! How can it not be wonderful?

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 09:49 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/01/2007, 09:41 PMThe GBA is bascially a handheld SNES.

Exactly, minus 2 buttons and like 6 PCM channels. And the fact that 32MHZ is a little faster than 21MHZ...

Joe Redifer · 05/01/2007, 09:57 PM

You mean 3.58 MHz or something like that, don't you? A 21MHz SNES would be awesome.

grahf · 05/01/2007, 10:07 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/01/2007, 09:41 PMAstro Boy

Damn straight! This game is often overlooked because it stars the cutesy Astroboy characters. Big mistake, since its one of the best games on the system IMO.

Tatsujin · 05/01/2007, 11:07 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/01/2007, 09:57 PMA 21MHz SNES would be awesome.

not to mention, how shmups would go off on that cpu-speed. the SFC would probably beat all the 16-bitter.

but just wondering, which two voted for the last?

OldRover · 05/01/2007, 11:14 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 04/29/2007, 08:12 PMI thought that the NES didn't use a stock 6502, it used a variant called the Ricoh 2A03, not only the CPU, but the sound chip/contoller as well.

So not only would the games be insanely fast, they'd also have no sound.

I think the 6502 swap would be entirely possible on a C64, though.

That explains a lot of why almost none of the games would run...the pinout is apparently the same but the functions are obviously far different. I had no idea that the chips were so different inside. Never noticed the sound thing though...the TV had a broken speaker.

The 6502 swap doesn't work on a C64 either though, the C64 uses a 6510, not a 6502. I tried to replace the 6510 with a standard 6502 just to see what would happen, and the machine wouldn't boot up. The VIC-20 does use a stock 6502 I believe, and could probably be "upgraded" to the 65C02. (There was an upgrade cart you could buy for the C64 that used a 4MHz 65C02 that piggybacked the system but I never got my hands on one.)

Kitsunexus · 05/01/2007, 11:27 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/01/2007, 09:57 PMYou mean 3.58 MHz or something like that, don't you? A 21MHz SNES would be awesome.

The SNES is 21MHZ by default, but the clock dividers limit it to 3.xxMHZ, 2.xx for PAL...

Tatsujin · 05/01/2007, 11:46 PM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 05/01/2007, 11:27 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/01/2007, 09:57 PMYou mean 3.58 MHz or something like that, don't you? A 21MHz SNES would be awesome.
The SNES is 21MHZ by default, but the clock dividers limit it to 3.xxMHZ, 2.xx for PAL...

your're talking about the external crystal oscillation frequency which doesn't say anything about the CPU-clockspeed. it's usually that the crystal oscillation is a multiple of the CPU clock.

so then the FC would be also clocked @ 21.77MHz > http://nesdev.parodius.com/Ntd_8bit.jpg

CrackTiger · 05/02/2007, 01:14 AM

As I understand it, the FX2 chip upgrades the SNES to 21'ish mhz.

OldRover · 05/02/2007, 02:09 AM

The SNES CPU runs at 3.58MHz. Keep in mind that this was many years before graphics cores that contained their own CPUs were available to the commercial market.

SignOfZeta · 05/02/2007, 07:34 AM

Quote from: Kitsunexus on 05/01/2007, 09:49 PM
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/01/2007, 09:41 PMThe GBA is bascially a handheld SNES.
Exactly, minus 2 buttons and like 6 PCM channels. And the fact that 32MHZ is a little faster than 21MHZ...

I think the biggest difference is the fact that cart sizes have shot through the roof. Even a smaller GBA game would have been a huge SNES game. This naturally makes for more impressive stuff.

I haven't noticed the lower number of PCM channels, but the audio on GBA is really bad. Its all raspy and hissy and stuff. This noise really messes up games like FFVI, and Yoshi's Island, which both have really great music on the SNES. The GBA for the most part pulls off these tunes with no problem, other than the noise.

Kitsunexus · 05/02/2007, 09:21 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/02/2007, 07:34 AMI haven't noticed the lower number of PCM channels, but the audio on GBA is really bad. Its all raspy and hissy and stuff. This noise really messes up games like FFVI, and Yoshi's Island, which both have really great music on the SNES. The GBA for the most part pulls off these tunes with no problem, other than the noise.

The noise is because of the low quality of the sound chip, but really listen to Final Fantasy 2 on SNES and listen to the GBA version, you'll notice the GBC hardware filling in for a LOT of voices...

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