Game Sack

[EvilEvoIX]

Arcade ports were technically impossible for 16-bit gen consoles bitd, but we got lots anyways. Shovel Knight would be less of a stretch for MD/PCE from what I've seen. If some sections only have 8 lsyers of psrallax instead of 12, it's not a big deal. Playing a game on real 16-bit hardware with chip tunes would be a big deal though.

What I saw in preview videos definitely looked beyond all existing and potential-within-a-few-more-years NES add-on chips, but not unreasonable for MD/PCE. If ports were handled by typical average 16-bit gen developers with tunnel vision who can only be bothered or are only capable of scrolling tile layers in uncreative ways, then yeah, they'd need a PSX/Saturn. Unless I never got to see some particular parallax examples in SK, then a reasonably facsimile could be pulled off that wouldn't look different to the average person, unless they compared them side by side.

The idea of playing a modern computer game with faux retro dressing on modern hardware doesn't appeal to me. Playing even a compromised version on 16-bit consoles would be completely different.

Great post, I 100% agree.
I know it really isn't part of the 16 bit generation but I bet the Atari Jaguar would pull it off nicely.

[TR0N]

[technozombie]

That's video is great. Joe please give us more head.

[Medic_wheat]

Wait. When did blood dragon get a physical release that wasn't on PC?

I know there was a trilogy collection for the PS3 and 360 but from what I have seen these are with DLC codes for Blood Dragon.


Totally point me in the right direction because I haven't played Blood Dragon yet.

[HailingTheThings]

Wait. When did blood dragon get a physical release that wasn't on PC?

I know there was a trilogy collection for the PS3 and 360 but from what I have seen these are with DLC codes for Blood Dragon.


Totally point me in the right direction because I haven't played Blood Dragon yet.

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[Medic_wheat]

Wait. When did blood dragon get a physical release that wasn't on PC?

I know there was a trilogy collection for the PS3 and 360 but from what I have seen these are with DLC codes for Blood Dragon.


Totally point me in the right direction because I haven't played Blood Dragon yet.

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Sweet thanks.

Dang so it was only on physical for the 360?  Dang.

I only say dang because I have all my FC games for the PS3. Oh well at lest the BD is a separate game that doesn't cross over its status or weapons to the main game. So for that I can enjoy it.

[ClodBusted]

I would like to like Blood Dragon, but I can not stand bullet sponge enemies in FPS games. They make me feel my weapons are useless.

The few console FPS games I really like must have either believable enemy behavior like GoldenEye 007 and Call of Duty 2, or really good and blazing fast controls like Turok Dinosaur Hunter. Either bullet sponges or unresponsive slow and clunky controls put me off. Turok 1 has a big nostalgia bonus for me though, keep that in mind since some later enemies are the archetype of bullet sponges. The controls in GE007 and CoD2 are done well enough to keep me coming back for more and more.

[VenomMacbeth]

I would like to like Blood Dragon, but I can not stand bullet sponge enemies in FPS games. They make me feel my weapons are useless.

The few console FPS games I really like must have either believable enemy behavior like GoldenEye 007 and Call of Duty 2, or really good and blazing fast controls like Turok Dinosaur Hunter. Either bullet sponges or unresponsive slow and clunky controls put me off. Turok 1 has a big nostalgia bonus for me though, keep that in mind since some later enemies are the archetype of bullet sponges. The controls in GE007 and CoD2 are done well enough to keep me coming back for more and more.

Have you ever played the Half-Life games?  I've only played them on console & it's hands-down my favorite FPS.  Controls are better in the sequels on 360, but at least the first one on PS2 lets you customize le buttons & I *think* even allows for keyboard & mouse controls.  Sometimes you get into a "bullet sponge" situation, but that usually just means you aren't using a big enough gun.

They both control exponentially better than Goldeneye, assuming you're talking about the N64 version.  I'm not even a hardcore FPS guy & I love the Half-Life games, though they may be a little slow for your typical COD/Halo-gamers.  But eh, if I get bored with it, I just pop in Doom & I'm satisfied after a couple shotgun kills. ^-^

[ClodBusted]

I haven't played Half-Life yet. I'm no hardcore FPS gamer at all, it is just that there are really few FPS games on consoles and computers that I enjoy (I'll add Doom1/2, Duke3D, Quake1/2 and UT99 to the list) and the majority of them are from the last century, with CoD2 and Doom3 being the exception from the rule.

[VenomMacbeth]

Dude, awesome list!  Sounds like our tastes are at least somewhat parallel.  I, too, don't care much for FPS on the whole.

With that in mind, I urge you to try out Half-Life.  I'd almost recommend starting with the second one, though that may be somewhat confusing story-wise.  The first one just starts off so slow... 

Seriously though.  Give it a shot.  Also, you like Doom...do you like Star Wars?

If you answered "yes" to that question, check out Dark Forces.  It was ported to the PS1, but looks & plays much better on PC.  It's a pretty shameless Doom clone, but sometimes I feel more like killing storm troopers than denizens of hell.  Plus, you get the Wilhelm scream when you fall off cliffs!

[ClodBusted]

I'll keep your suggestions in mind. About Star Wars... Who doesn't like Star Wars? I've played Jedi Knight 1, I couldn't get very far in the game, but the FMV life action scenes were nice to look at for their time. Honestly I'm more in for the three Rogue Squadron games.

[xcrement5x]

It looks like Blood Dragon was available on PS3 in the compilation as well, but does the 360 version run better or something?

[EvilEvoIX]

Half off is amazing.  If you want to play it play the first one first obviously.  Crazy story line that is half of the appeal.

[CGQuarterly]

I love the thumbnail for this video.

[Medic_wheat]

It looks like Blood Dragon was available on PS3 in the compilation as well, but does the 360 version run better or something?

From what I can tell the PS3 copy doesn't have blood dragon on a physical disk just a download code.

[TR0N]

I love the thumbnail for this video. 

They have no bodies !? Uhh spooky !? Unless joe&dave are pulling a boheiman rhapsody !?

[esteban]

I love the thumbnail for this video. 

They have no bodies !? Uhh spooky !? Unless joe&dave are pulling a boheiman rhapsody !?

They are talking heads.
Literally.
Figuratively.
Physically.
Suggestively.
Sexually.
Talking.
Heads.

[ccovell]

Same as it ever was.

[TR0N]

I love the thumbnail for this video. 

They have no bodies !? Uhh spooky !? Unless joe&dave are pulling a boheiman rhapsody !?

They are talking heads.
Literally.
Figuratively.
Physically.
Suggestively.
Sexually.
Talking.
Heads.

Burning down the house !!

[esteban]

Well, we know where we're going...

[TR0N]

Well, we know where we're going...

Were on a road to nowhere 

[esteban]

Well, we know where we're going...

Were on a road to nowhere 

And she can hear the highway breathing...

[Opethian]

TAKE A LOOK AT THESE HANDS!

[esteban]

Give a little shock and he raises his hand....
(No sense of harmony, no sense of time).

[TR0N]

[esteban]

This was a good episode. I did not know about some of these titles--Bee 52? How did I never hear about this? I love Code Masters, too, so I am totally happy to learn something new.



And if folks here have never played Heavy Nova or Syd of Valis on Genesis--DON'T.

[EvilEvoIX]

Always a good episode.  Can't wait for the next one and possibly a movie!!!

[Psycho Punch]

Where's the Shenmue 3 video? Lol I really knew nothing about the e3 announcement until I saw Joe's video notification in my inbox.

[TR0N]

[o.pwuaioc]

Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)

[TR0N]

Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)

Most of what they showed i have as well expect for fantasy zone.I also like the fact that joe didn't defend snk arcade classics vol.1,for it's awful emulation.Really i don't understand how non neo-geo owners enjoy that compilation so much.

[EvilEvoIX]

Another amazing episode.  I am going to go get Sonics Ultimate Collection now!!!  They go for mad cheap and it looks amazing!!!

[ClodBusted]

Both Mega Man and Mega Man X collections are worth owning and so much cheaper for PS2 than buying the individual games. Thankfully the emulation is done well on the majority of games on both compilations, well if you don't count MM7 and MM8.

It is sad for me to see that the SEGA and SNK collections didn't get enough care emulation wise. I often read people complaining about sound quality especially on Genesis collections, no wonder that console's music gets more bad reputation in retrospect. Digital Eclipse's port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to the Xbox 360 Live Arcade has some minor graphical scaling/stretching issues as well as slightly downgraded audio quality, when I compared it directly to my PS1 game.

Good thing the Monster Land collection on Xbox 360 is done excellent. I can't thank you (GameSack and PCEFX forum members) enough for having me recommended a gem like Monster World IV some months ago. Even my girlfriend thinks Asha and her blue Pepelogoo are damn cute.

Now, if the Xbox 360 controller's D-Pad won't suck so much... good thing I have an adaptor that let me use PlayStation and Dualshock 1/2 controllers, that's so much better on so many 2D games. It processes the input signals lag-free, but it needs a wired Xbox 360 controller connected for authorization though:
http://www.dx.com/en/p/ps2-to-xbox-360-controller-adapter-cable-33241#.VYbx10OhstQ

[Sadler]

GoT 4-in-1 is obviously the best game collection of all time.

[esteban]

Both Mega Man and Mega Man X collections are worth owning and so much cheaper for PS2 than buying the individual games. Thankfully the emulation is done well on the majority of games on both compilations, well if you don't count MM7 and MM8.

It is sad for me to see that the SEGA and SNK collections didn't get enough care emulation wise. I often read people complaining about sound quality especially on Genesis collections, no wonder that console's music gets more bad reputation in retrospect. Digital Eclipse's port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to the Xbox 360 Live Arcade has some minor graphical scaling/stretching issues as well as slightly downgraded audio quality, when I compared it directly to my PS1 game.

Good thing the Monster Land collection on Xbox 360 is done excellent. I can't thank you (GameSack and PCEFX forum members) enough for having me recommended a gem like Monster World IV some months ago. Even my girlfriend thinks Asha and her blue Pepelogoo are damn cute.

Now, if the Xbox 360 controller's D-Pad won't suck so much... good thing I have an adaptor that let me use PlayStation and Dualshock 1/2 controllers, that's so much better on so many 2D games. It processes the input signals lag-free, but it needs a wired Xbox 360 controller connected for authorization though:
http://www.dx.com/en/p/ps2-to-xbox-360-controller-adapter-cable-33241#.VYbx10OhstQ

The MegaDrive's/Genesis's poor reputation for music started well-before emulation. Not all hardware was equal...some models/hardware versions suffered from poor sound output.

I did not know this back in the day; it never occurred to me that there could be a difference.

Anyway, except for a few games, I always felt that Genesis/MegaDrive had a harsh sound. This worked for some games, but hurt other games. Today, I am trying to be more open-minded

I was making analog recordings (on cassette, as well as VHS) of all my favorite soundtracks back in the 80's/early 90's...so I should point out that there is a very big difference between (1) listening to music as it is WOVEN into a game vs. (2) listening to music in isolation.

It is easier to be more forgiving in the former (first) scenario.

[o.pwuaioc]

Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)

Most of what they showed i have as well expect for fantasy zone.I also like the fact that joe didn't defend snk arcade classics vol.1,for it's awful emulation.Really i don't understand how non neo-geo owners enjoy that compilation so much.

It's worth it over the financial and space cost of owning the real deal.

[technozombie]

Another good episode. I really want that Fantasy Zone compilation. I may have to go the route Dave did to play it.

[EvilEvoIX]

Both Mega Man and Mega Man X collections are worth owning and so much cheaper for PS2 than buying the individual games. Thankfully the emulation is done well on the majority of games on both compilations, well if you don't count MM7 and MM8.

It is sad for me to see that the SEGA and SNK collections didn't get enough care emulation wise. I often read people complaining about sound quality especially on Genesis collections, no wonder that console's music gets more bad reputation in retrospect. Digital Eclipse's port of Castlevania: Symphony of the Night to the Xbox 360 Live Arcade has some minor graphical scaling/stretching issues as well as slightly downgraded audio quality, when I compared it directly to my PS1 game.

Good thing the Monster Land collection on Xbox 360 is done excellent. I can't thank you (GameSack and PCEFX forum members) enough for having me recommended a gem like Monster World IV some months ago. Even my girlfriend thinks Asha and her blue Pepelogoo are damn cute.

Now, if the Xbox 360 controller's D-Pad won't suck so much... good thing I have an adaptor that let me use PlayStation and Dualshock 1/2 controllers, that's so much better on so many 2D games. It processes the input signals lag-free, but it needs a wired Xbox 360 controller connected for authorization though:
http://www.dx.com/en/p/ps2-to-xbox-360-controller-adapter-cable-33241#.VYbx10OhstQ

The MegaDrive's/Genesis's poor reputation for music started well-before emulation. Not all hardware was equal...some models/hardware versions suffered from poor sound output.

I did not know this back in the day; it never occurred to me that there could be a difference.

Anyway, except for a few games, I always felt that Genesis/MegaDrive had a harsh sound. This worked for some games, but hurt other games. Today, I am trying to be more open-minded

I was making analog recordings (on cassette, as well as VHS) of all my favorite soundtracks back in the 80's/early 90's...so I should point out that there is a very big difference between (1) listening to music as it is WOVEN into a game vs. (2) listening to music in isolation.

It is easier to be more forgiving in the former (first) scenario.

The sound is what the developer can get out of it.  It's very clean and unmuffled.  Essentially model 1 sega genesis HIGH DEFINITION GRAFX models had excellent sound.  Model 2's got bad.

[TR0N]

Oh, man, this is the first time I have (or had) all the games on a Game Sack ep! (Well, almost, didn't have Fantasy Zone collection.)

Most of what they showed i have as well expect for fantasy zone.I also like the fact that joe didn't defend snk arcade classics vol.1,for it's awful emulation.Really i don't understand how non neo-geo owners enjoy that compilation so much.

It's worth it over the financial and space cost of owning the real deal.

Neo-Geo CMVS owner here and cost wasn't much for me.Space is the only issue i ever have given how big the cartridges are.Snkplaymore should have never used terminal reality,for the compilation in the first place.It should have been M2 instead or some one else for the emulation.

[munchiaz]

Another awesome ep. I really do need to get that Sega collection for the ps3

[technozombie]

Speaking of digital games getting a physical release, Shovel Knight is on the way.

http://yachtclubgames.com/2015/06/shovel-knight-physical-version-coming-to-a-store-near-you/

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Speaking of digital games getting a physical release, Shovel Knight is on the way.

linky

There's a lot of complaints in the comments about it not coming to Vita, to which I agree.  I'd buy it if it were on Vita anyway.

[technozombie]

Speaking of digital games getting a physical release, Shovel Knight is on the way.

linky

There's a lot of complaints in the comments about it not coming to Vita, to which I agree.  I'd buy it if it were on Vita anyway.

Is it available as a digital download on Vita? They should make it where if you buy the PS4 version you could play it on both systems, win/win.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Yep, it's already ported to the Vita (PS3 too), so I don't see why they wouldn't want to cash in on a small print run.  That Retro City game had a small run of a couple thousand copies, selling out in like a day, so there's obviously a market.

[xcrement5x]

Lol, I knew a Shovel Knight physical version was going to happen!  Now the question is whether to get the Wii U or the 3DS version...

[ClodBusted]

Booh, no PS3 or Xbox 360 physical release.

[technozombie]

Kind of weird that the PC physical release is only in Europe. If they are going to make it why not sell it in multiple regions.

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Kind of weird that the PC physical release is only in Europe. If they are going to make it why not sell it in multiple regions.

Their distribution agreement with Steam prevents it maybe?

[TR0N]

Panel that joe&dave did at the toomanygames convention last month.

[technozombie]

Kind of weird that the PC physical release is only in Europe. If they are going to make it why not sell it in multiple regions.

Their distribution agreement with Steam prevents it maybe?

I never thought about steam having deals like that but I guess they probably do.