Retro VGS Game Console

Bloufo · 03/04/2016, 03:12 PM

I'm not a fan of Patwhatshisface, but this Gamester guy is priceless.

"Mike made mistakes. Who hasn't made a mistake?"

I didn't quite make it to the end of the vid to hear the rest.

Joe Redifer · 03/04/2016, 06:28 PM

Pat is a cunt to the nth degree, trust me when I say that. But even then, he seemed a little too angry about the system in his video and his demands for apologies from everyone was nothing short of absurd. As a result of that video, people started throwing Gamester81 under the bus for something he really had no part in. Plenty of comments condemning Gamester on Pat's own video but Pat is nowhere to clarify. His silence speaks volumes. Pat has blocked people on Twitter for calling him out about this. He likes blocking any form of dissent. He's childish. As for Gamester's video, the starving children, ISIS, etc comment was geared towards the outright ANGER people like Pat are displaying towards this. Yeah it's a clusterfuck and deserves to be made fun of until the end of time but I don't think there's really anything to be angry about. It's more about LOLs (or THE LULZ as we say here) than anything else, really.

Here's AlphaOmegaSin's video making fun of the system and in the latter half Pat's video (though he doesn't mention Pat by name it's pretty clear who he's talking about). At least his video will get shit tons more views than stupid Pat's.

SignOfZeta · 03/04/2016, 06:42 PM

Man, fuck this guy.

I mean, Pat turns me off to the point where I can't really listen to his Podcast unless the topic is of interest, but this guy basically made a 25 minute video with 20 minutes of "apologizing in advance" and making ass-covering statements with the eventual point emerging that he sees no moral culpability when a company has relationships with another company that is scummy. That might make a lot of sense to the ignorant, the short sighted, and the stupid, but there is a pretty well established precedent both legally and culturally that goes pretty much in the opposite direction. He's right in saying that people are way too up in arms about Mike in many cases, but his argument that there should be no criticism of someone based in their business partners is complete crap and has zero traction in all but the most capitalistic of circles.

If he's that concerned with his rep he should improve it. A good reputation doesn't come from attacking your detractors, it emerges naturally if you have actual integrity. Trying to pretend you're so fucking dumb that you were the last person on Earth to know the RetroVGS was fake...what does that prove? I mean, we don't believe you and the only way we would is if you proved to us how stupid you are somehow.

One thing is for sure, these carnie ass swap meet type motherfuckers sure know how to lay on the drama.

crazydean · 03/04/2016, 07:03 PM

I don't see how Gamster81 has anything to do with the clusterfuck that is RVGS. He wasn't marketing for them. He wasn't financially invested in it. From what I understand, he just agreed to make games for a system that hasn't been developed. I must have missed something very important.

Gredler · 03/04/2016, 07:38 PM

I just hope this doesn't affect any preconceived opinions of Sydney Hunter And The Caverns Of Death. I know a lot of us will support Rover's efforts, but the randos out there not in the know make me worry that they may assume that it's related to retro vgs and gamster 81.

I do feel bad for this gamster81 guy getting so much verbose hatred towards him, when he's trying to get games funded so guys like rover can make us some awesome new projects.

Retro VGS is a joke, but I don't think that collectorvision games should be looped into that.

CrackTiger · 03/04/2016, 07:39 PM

Gamester's videos unfortunately come up too often when I'm searching for various things. Aside from other content or projects he may work on, isn't he pretty much a glorified infomercial who gives non-reviews of every exciting new game product that is gifted to him?

Joe Redifer · 03/04/2016, 07:51 PM

He does do a lot of sponsored stuff, yes. Mostly stuff that Stone Age Gamer sends his way. Stone Age Gamer also offered Game Sack a similar deal but I noped out of that. And I know Nintendo doesn't like Gamester because he covers emulation stuff or whatever.

Joe Redifer · 03/04/2016, 08:24 PM

LOL, I just checked and it looks like Pat blocked me on twitter. I wonder when he did that? I really can't say. Could have been today or 6 months ago. I never really spoke to him on Twitter and I never followed.

Mathius · 03/04/2016, 08:35 PM

Wait I'm behind. So what did Pat do exactly? I'm assuming we're talking about Pat the NES Punk? Sorry I cannot YT at the moment.

780racer · 03/04/2016, 08:58 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/04/2016, 08:24 PMLOL, I just checked and it looks like Pat blocked me on twitter. I wonder when he did that? I really can't say. Could have been today or 6 months ago. I never really spoke to him on Twitter and I never followed.

My friend got blocked when Pat got into that argument with that Banjo guy about copyright stuff. And made a comment that was not agreeing with Pat effectively.

I personally lost respect for him after the whole TRANSGENT gaming wheel Raffle fiasco. And how often he begs for money... Never hear Game sack begging for money, maybe he should follow how to have a GOOD YT channel

Psycho Punch · 03/04/2016, 09:02 PM

pat is a retard, sky is blue, water is wet

o.pwuaioc · 03/04/2016, 09:05 PM

Quote from: Psycho Punch on 03/04/2016, 09:02 PMpat is a retard, sky is blue, water is wet

Agreed. What's even the point of talking about that whiny little bitch.

CGQuarterly · 03/04/2016, 09:10 PM

All this drama between YouTube content creators is really tiresome.

I already feel like if my channel ever gets to the point where I get invited to a convention or something, I'm just going to say "thanks but no thanks". Maybe my attitude is different because even though I create content on YouTube, I don't generally consume YouTube content, so I don't really feel like I'm part of the "community" anyway, but I don't really have much desire to be. It's bad enough having to deal with the trolls and hyper-critical armchair quarterbacks who leave comments.

SignOfZeta · 03/04/2016, 09:11 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 03/04/2016, 08:35 PMWait I'm behind. So what did Pat do exactly? I'm assuming we're talking about Pat the NES Punk? Sorry I cannot YT at the moment.

Well, I *think* I understand it, but it seems really dumb, so I'm not sure I have it.

Basically, the CUP guys have known Mike for a long time. A year ago when the VGS was announced their podcast started to point out some of the concerns that were going around the Internet. Like many fraudsters, Mike hates criticism more than anything so there was some back and forth, a comment about how CUP was a couple of drunks, all that.

Now, during this year there were basically three sides to this story. 1) the official VGS line 2) anyone critical of the VGS line, and 3) the mainstream media, which only printed press releases from VGS because it can't print here-say from sleezy web shows but also can't afford to investigate anything itself.

During this time I think the CUP guys became very frustrated by this. I can understand why. They were basically pissing in the wind and in this situation is doubly frustrating because the fakery of the VGS was SO OBVIOUS FROM THE VERY BEGINING and still you had these guys saying, "Well, let's wait and see. We can't be sure." long LONG past the time when evidence of the Retro VGS team's deception had grown so powerful it could convict OJ Simpson.

One of these guys was Gamester, and it's no coincidence that, in the hugely unlikely event that the VGS got made, Gamester would have profited more than anyone but Retro VGS. He basically toed a line in case it turned out to be profitable and didn't relent until the POS system was %100 dead for sure. As loong as the VGS looked even *slightly* possible he'd stick by it and all the deception that comes with it. Once he was %100 sure that he wasn't burning any bridges he flip flopped. Some see this as having a lack of integrity.

At the end of Pat's video he kinda vented on all the assholes that perpetuated the false dichotomy of haters vs VGS, be they Gawker (who only printed Mike-penned puff pieces) it's dumb fans, or guys like Gamester, when in fact the real struggle was between Retro VGS and the universe we live in. Gamester decided Pat said "fuck" too many times so, after telling the kids to ~~stay tuned~~ go away he proceeded to record a video that is four times as long as has four times as many "fucks", but it does it in such a pansy-ass shit eating McDonalds manager apology sort of way that it really appeals to the people who didn't like Pat's video. Gamester claims his video was made to protect his rep, but frankly...I never saw anything the guy did before today so I had zero opinion of him, but most of the video was self condemnation and passive aggressive lameness. It didn't work on me, whatever it was suposed to do.

In the end, unquestionably, it's people thinking too hard about stuff. I don't care for either of these guys but Gamester has an air of anti-human professionalism I don't like. Would his company make human sized furnaces for dictators? Probably not, but I'm sure his relationship with Mike, the actual crook here, is probably much more in tact than Pat and Ian's are so...keep that in mind.

Bloufo · 03/04/2016, 09:18 PM

As I said, I'm not a fan of this Pat guy, but I feel Gamester did himself more harm than good with that vid of his.

More importantly though, what is going on with that lumberjack beard?

Mathius · 03/04/2016, 09:56 PM

Thanks Zeta.

I met and walked around MGC with Gamester81 a few years ago. Just chatted as a couple of gamers would. When did this whole classic gaming passion become so complicated? I think I'll just quit watching YT and just hang out here and enjoy my hobby from now on.

o.pwuaioc · 03/04/2016, 10:01 PM

I haven't seen a Gamester video in a very long time, but my opinion of him from the couple I saw is that the guy is trite and a bore, yet still harmless, in that he's too diplomatic.

Pat's just a turdfuck.

Quote from: Mathius on 03/04/2016, 09:56 PMI think I'll just quit watching YT and just hang out here and enjoy my hobby from now on.

This is the only sensible thing.

esteban · 03/05/2016, 01:44 AM

*PAUSE*
How long can AlohaMacadamiaSin continue with his schtick?
*RESUME*

Bloufo · 03/05/2016, 02:07 AM

Quote from: esteban on 03/05/2016, 01:44 AM*PAUSE*
How long can AlohaMacadamiaSin continue with his schtick?
*RESUME*

The way he carries on, screaming at imaginary people off-screen. Hyper-active to say the least. Multiple myocardial infarctions incoming.

Apparently though, schtick aside, he's a very nice guy.

Joe Redifer · 03/05/2016, 02:34 AM

Zeta's viewpoint is his own and by his own admission he doesn't know much about Gamester to take his comments with a grain of salt. Gamester is making games for multiple platforms (including the Turbo). He was going to have his company port his games to the RetroColecovision if it ever became a reality. He had nothing to do with the system itself like Zeta suggests. It's like getting mad at a 3rd party of Nintendo for the VirtualBoy being crap. People like Zeta enjoy drama and his version of the events play to that.

Why avoid Youtube? That seems dumb. Unless the channels you watch are the ones talking about this stuff all the time. Just "hanging out here" is not a great idea as this forum is drama-central. Well maybe not as much as Atari or Nintendo Age but there's plenty of drama here almost 100% of the time. When did classic gaming become so complicated? I think I'll just stop visiting forums and enjoy my hobby in my closet. Shit happens, dude. Like I said there's really nothing to be ANGRY about in this whole situation. But many "LULZ" to be had. Nothing complicated about it. Avoiding conventions will do you no good. Youtubers don't go at each other's throats at conventions. They do it from the safety of their own keyboards (or cameras).

780racer · 03/05/2016, 03:14 AM

AlphaOmegaSin's reaction video.

I Agree that I don't think Gamester was one of the guys making the system. I do think he should disclose the details more so than none. But its pretty impressive watching this blow up.

Edit:

Best reaction vid to date.

CGQuarterly · 03/05/2016, 03:34 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/05/2016, 02:34 AMZeta's viewpoint is his own and by his own admission he doesn't know much about Gamester to take his comments with a grain of salt. Gamester is making games for multiple platforms (including the Turbo). He was going to have his company port his games to the RetroColecovision if it ever became a reality. He had nothing to do with the system itself like Zeta suggests. It's like getting mad at a 3rd party of Nintendo for the VirtualBoy being crap. People like Zeta enjoy drama and his version of the events play to that.

Why avoid Youtube? That seems dumb. Unless the channels you watch are the ones talking about this stuff all the time. Just "hanging out here" is not a great idea as this forum is drama-central. Well maybe not as much as Atari or Nintendo Age but there's plenty of drama here almost 100% of the time. When did classic gaming become so complicated? I think I'll just stop visiting forums and enjoy my hobby in my closet. Shit happens, dude. Like I said there's really nothing to be ANGRY about in this whole situation. But many "LULZ" to be had. Nothing complicated about it. Avoiding conventions will do you no good. Youtubers don't go at each other's throats at conventions. They do it from the safety of their own keyboards (or cameras).

Anytime anyone talks about YouTube as though it is one unified entity I tend to not listen. YouTube is like Reddit in that your experience with it is mostly dictated by how you choose to use it. I don't think I've ever watched one of Gamester's videos (not because I don't like him but because I just really don't watch YouTube videos), and certainly didn't watch either the Retro VGS video that he did a while back, or this "apology" video now. As I said in the thread on Atari Age, there are just a shitload of people who want their pound of flesh out of anyone who had anything to do with the project, and are just feeding off of the cheap drama.

780racer · 03/05/2016, 03:45 AM

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 03/05/2016, 03:34 AMjust feeding off of the cheap drama.

God damn zombies. It is cheap drama though. Delicious AND nutritious!

Joe Redifer · 03/05/2016, 04:29 AM

QuoteAs I said in the thread on Atari Age, there are just a shitload of people who want their pound of flesh out of anyone who had anything to do with the project

That's what they say... from the safety of their keyboards. Memes and LULZ and all that are good and this is a project that definitely deserves the ridicule and it will go down in history and be remembered fondly for the gigantic clusterfail it is along with the people who kept trying to pass it off. But any anger from regular peeps such as forum members or Youtubers is fake or forced. Unless... they were ACTUALLY excited for this console originally and are let down. Then I could understand the anger. But the RetroVGS was not something I could ever be excited about even when it was originally announced in concept form. My apathy for the thing knew no bounds. I considered it nothing more than another Retron wannabe or the like. What about Watermelon which has ACTUALLY TAKEN PEOPLE'S MONEY and still hasn't named their Project Y game yet, many years later?

SignOfZeta · 03/05/2016, 05:35 AM

"Why avoid YouTube?"

Man, is that seriously a question? Well, drama like this would be one reason, the other that watching fat gamer gate assholes screaming in front of a camera that never stops running is torture.

Don't get me wrong, I love Youtube, but YouTube "celebrity" is about as trash as possible and something that I have no problem avoiding. There is so much terrific entertaining and educational stuff on YT, I can't imagine forgoing that and watching game dudes. Almost as bad as football, although probably nothing is as bad as football.

esteban · 03/05/2016, 09:44 AM

TANGENT:

Finally, something more interesting talk about in this thread.

YouTube is simply a medium (no different than TV, cable TV, music, radio, websites, magazines, etc.) and therefore = 99% pablum and garbage.

You simply have to take some time to find a few good things to enjoy life.

Sure, I indulge in some trashy entertainment occasionally...but I find it hard to believe anyone could routinely watch/listen to "gaming" garbage without their brain atrophying.

It is honestly only one level of hell removed from TMZ and celebrity gossip.

Now, with that said, let me go and listen/watch Pat & Ian's horrible podcast that I am guilty of listening to FAR TOO OFTEN in the last few months.

I never knew about Pat until you bastards linked to him here at the forums. Now it is a guilty pleasure.

I BLAME ALL OF YOU.

Both hosts irritate me in significantly different ways.

Of the two, I find Pat far less annoying, to be honest.

Gamester always seemed bland and innocuous.

turboswimbz · 03/05/2016, 11:09 AM

QuoteAnytime anyone talks about YouTube as though it is one unified entity I tend to not listen. YouTube is like Reddit in that your experience with it is mostly dictated by how you choose to use it. drama.

perhaps relevant - more likely it seems unified . . .
https://www.ted.com/talks/eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles?language=en

And Deeper
https://www.ted.com/talks/nicholas_christakis_the_hidden_influence_of_social_networks?language=en

CrackTiger · 03/05/2016, 12:34 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/04/2016, 07:51 PMHe does do a lot of sponsored stuff, yes. Mostly stuff that Stone Age Gamer sends his way. Stone Age Gamer also offered Game Sack a similar deal but I noped out of that. And I know Nintendo doesn't like Gamester because he covers emulation stuff or whatever.

The few times I've skimmed his product "review" videos, they just seemed to be "here's the features". I don't know why people are surprised that he did the same for the RVGS.

The fact that he deleted he his RVGS video(s) and the quotes I read on atariage from his "apology" video seems suspicious, but just like pikointeractive and collectorvision, they all only come off as naive and gullible.

Maybe because I only ever saw the RVGS and its "team" as a joke from day one, I don't get why many people are actually angry. I guess it's because some of these guys post on atariage and therefore it's some kind of betrayal that they signed up for phantomware? I'm also not emotionally invested in youtube channels, but it still seems weird to me to essentially be picking sides in "channel wars". I think that the people really getting worked up are drama hobbyists more than anything.

CGQuarterly · 03/05/2016, 03:34 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/05/2016, 04:29 AMThat's what they say... from the safety of their keyboards. But any anger from regular peeps such as forum members or Youtubers is fake or forced. Unless... they were ACTUALLY excited for this console originally and are let down. Then I could understand the anger.

That's what I'm saying. Most of these "angry" people were never going to buy the console. They're just angry because their "principles" were offended. Gamester came on the AtariAge forums and posted what I thought was a very nice "apology". Certainly more than he needed to, in my opinion. I don't think he owe's anyone shit. Still, people were critical because it "wasn't enough". Then he posted the video, and people went apeshit over that, too. Again, these weren't people who were necessarily even going to buy the fucking thing, and they certainly weren't out any money over it, since they only people who are out some cash are the actual investors who are/were working with Kennedy.

And the thing is, anyone who is angry because they honestly *were* excited about the system and wanted to buy it can't get mad at Gamester for feeling the same way and putting up a video about it. He thought the system was happening, was releasing a game on it, and wanted to promote it to his viewers. You can't be a victim because you were fooled while at the same time calling Gamester a villain because he was fooled.

NightWolve · 03/05/2016, 03:44 PM

So NES punk's video already got posted. Guess Youtube threw it my way cause I clicked the previous video from him and Ian here, but anyway, my reaction was about time somebody said it this way! People in gaming news media that acted as PR mouthpieces blinded by nostalgia or whatever do need/deserve to take some heat for this trainwreck for what was such a specious idea from the very start... I thought that video is perfectly in line with the sentiment of this thread.

I agree about AnitaOmegaSin though, angry man shtick yelling and flipping the bird at the camera all the time loses appeal fast, he became hard for me to stand after a couple of videos I randomly ran into, but I'm curious to see what he said about this trainwreck in the aftermath, so I might check out his video later.

Bernie · 03/05/2016, 04:07 PM

Im guessing this train finally derailed?

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mickcris · 03/05/2016, 04:57 PM

There was only a small amount of people that were vilifying gamester81. the other guy from collectorvision didn't feel like Pat was calling them out either. I think most of us dont care about what these youtube people are saying about each other anyways.
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247145-coleco-chameleon-hardware-speculations/?p=3460079

LostFlunky · 03/05/2016, 05:10 PM

Quote from: mickcris on 03/05/2016, 04:57 PMThere was only a small amount of people that were vilifying gamester81. the other guy from collectorvision didn't feel like Pat was calling them out either. I think most of us dont care about what these youtube people are saying about each other anyways.
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247145-coleco-chameleon-hardware-speculations/?p=3460079

Yup.

It appears gamester doesn't know how to deal with criticism.. he made his situation worse by apologizing and then immediately bitching about having to apologize...

Otaking · 03/05/2016, 07:22 PM

Happy Console Gamer's Coleco Chameleon video

Mathius · 03/05/2016, 08:16 PM

I never said I'm going to avoid conventions. I help with the planning of one so...

I do enjoy pure gaming videos like Chrontendo, Game Sack, etc. But the whole YT celebrity channels I am now starting to really dislike.

As for forum drama that's easy enough to avoid. Most of us know each other here very well and picking the right conversation with them is very very easy. I still consider this place a paradise in a sea of trash.

I'm not running away from anything, Joe. I'm just choosing to be more selecting in what I consume to get back to the core of why I love gaming and these communities so much.

CGQuarterly · 03/05/2016, 08:32 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 03/05/2016, 08:16 PMI never said I'm going to avoid conventions. I help with the planning of one so...

Pretty sure that he was talking to me when he said that.

Mathius · 03/05/2016, 09:19 PM

Quote from: CGQuarterly on 03/05/2016, 08:32 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 03/05/2016, 08:16 PMI never said I'm going to avoid conventions. I help with the planning of one so...
Pretty sure that he was talking to me when he said that.

Ah ok. Me bad.

Jibba, you live in CA right? Can't remember. You should come to MGC some year. Best group of folks ever. We'd love to have you. And Joe, you're still invited. But I know distance is an issue.

CGQuarterly · 03/05/2016, 09:45 PM

Quote from: Mathius on 03/05/2016, 09:19 PM
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 03/05/2016, 08:32 PM
Quote from: Mathius on 03/05/2016, 08:16 PMI never said I'm going to avoid conventions. I help with the planning of one so...
Pretty sure that he was talking to me when he said that.
Ah ok. Me bad.

Jibba, you live in CA right? Can't remember. You should come to MGC some year. Best group of folks ever. We'd love to have you. And Joe, you're still invited. But I know distance is an issue.

Yeah, I live in Northern California. I looked into coming last year, but it's kind of a pain in the butt to get to Milwaukee from here. Last gaming expo I went to was Portland a few years ago. I used to go to CGE back in the mid-2000's, and expos are so much different now. And not in what I consider to be a good way. I actually wish I had gone to PRGE last year just to meet a few people, including Dave & Joe, but just wasn't able to make it happen. I think that if they were still holding CGE in the bay area, I'd hit that up just because it's easy driving distance, but I have a hard time motivating myself to take a plane ride just to go to one of these things.

Mathius · 03/05/2016, 10:39 PM

MGC is non-profit so we don't get any corporate shenanigans going on there. It's all about the games! Great atmosphere.

Gredler · 03/06/2016, 01:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/05/2016, 02:34 AMZeta's viewpoint is his own and by his own admission he doesn't know much about Gamester to take his comments with a grain of salt. Gamester is making games for multiple platforms (including the Turbo). He was going to have his company port his games to the RetroColecovision if it ever became a reality. He had nothing to do with the system itself like Zeta suggests. It's like getting mad at a 3rd party of Nintendo for the VirtualBoy being crap. People like Zeta enjoy drama and his version of the events play to that.

Why avoid Youtube? That seems dumb. Unless the channels you watch are the ones talking about this stuff all the time. Just "hanging out here" is not a great idea as this forum is drama-central. Well maybe not as much as Atari or Nintendo Age but there's plenty of drama here almost 100% of the time. When did classic gaming become so complicated? I think I'll just stop visiting forums and enjoy my hobby in my closet. Shit happens, dude. Like I said there's really nothing to be ANGRY about in this whole situation. But many "LULZ" to be had. Nothing complicated about it. Avoiding conventions will do you no good. Youtubers don't go at each other's throats at conventions. They do it from the safety of their own keyboards (or cameras).

Thanks for more elequintly stating the point I tried to make about gamster. The stance against Gamster and his company is a stance against a publisher, as far as I know the only real "indie" publisher, which I biasedly feel the need to defend. I am in no way related to gamester and his company. I do get paid to work on larger scale games and am thankful that I get paychecks to do what I love, while hopefully making great software for people to enjoy, and appreciate the idea that the most talented individuals can do this on their own thanks to publisher deals.

crazydean · 03/06/2016, 03:00 PM

This thread has become tedious. Is the Coleco Chameleon dead? Will we ever see Mike's face again? I hope so!

Joe Redifer · 03/06/2016, 08:11 PM

Quote from: Zeta"Why avoid YouTube?"

Man, is that seriously a question? Well, drama like this would be one reason

But here you are in this thread. Even if you had Youtube blocked at the IP level you'd still be here reading about it.

Bottom line: Watch what you like and don't watch things that are unappealing to you. Pretty simple.

Also (directed towards most people here) what actually constitutes a Youtube Celebrity and what makes them so evil?

Gentlegamer · 03/06/2016, 08:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/06/2016, 08:11 PMAlso (directed towards most people here) what actually constitutes a Youtube Celebrity and what makes them so evil?

A tubetard who believes his own bs, shills for whatever, cultivates tubetard followers into juntas for social media drama, all while e-begging for hipster welfare.

Mathius · 03/06/2016, 08:31 PM

Joe, I wouldn't include you in that group. Yes Game Sack is famous. No you're not all the things listed above.

Bloufo · 03/07/2016, 01:04 AM

Quote from: Gentlegamer on 03/06/2016, 08:22 PM
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/06/2016, 08:11 PMAlso (directed towards most people here) what actually constitutes a Youtube Celebrity and what makes them so evil?
A tubetard who believes his own bs, shills for whatever, cultivates tubetard followers into juntas for social media drama, all while e-begging for hipster welfare.

It's kind of amusing when they turn on each other.
Their minions then carry out minor skirmish warfare on their behalf in anticipation of their overlords themselves entering the fray for the major battle.

And everyone is always on a kind of personal first-name basis. Almost like they have had a long intertwining history and/or have known each other their entire lives.

Bloufo · 03/07/2016, 02:41 PM

From a poster over at Atari Age:

Otaking · 03/07/2016, 06:37 PM

Pat I guess indirectly responding to the hate he's been getting from the bust up between him and Gamester81.

SignOfZeta · 03/07/2016, 08:40 PM

I'm doing myself a flavor and not clicking on this.

SuperGrafx · 03/07/2016, 09:38 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 03/07/2016, 08:40 PMI'm doing myself a flavor and not clicking on this.

Seconded

Gentlegamer · 03/08/2016, 10:48 AM

It's a joke response from that guy Frank, he's been drinking apparently.

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