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ParanoiaDragon

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Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/22/2007, 10:19 PM
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/22/2007, 09:53 PMTherefore, they'd be robots in disguise :dance:



BTW, Romans 5:12 -just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned
Interesting scripture! This seems to support the idea of "spiritual death" I mentioned earlier.

ParanoiaD, thanks for your comments on 1914, by the way. I've been meaning to reply.
I personally believe it refers to a physical death.  I believe we are all sinners, since we all fall to temptation, & make mistakes.  And I believe, that when we die, we basically go to sleep(sheol/hades/hell/the common grave of mankind), rather then having a spiritual soul that goes to heaven, or a firey hell(which became Christian doctrine somewhere around the 3rd Century AD).  For instance, Ecclesiastes 9:5: "The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all."  Ecclesiastes 9:10: "All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going."  Ezekial 18:4: "The soul that is sinning—it itself will die."  Even animals are called "lving souls"

At Genesis 2:7 it says "the man came to be a living soul" rather then saying he was given a soul.  I believe however, that after Armageddon, people that died, that only went to the "grave", will be resurrected to everlasting life on a paradise earth.

Oh, & back to temptation, & Adam & Eve sinning.  They were perfect when they sinned, which means they would have to sin on purpose.  They clearly chose to sin.  I've never been perfect, as like everyone else, am a sinner.  So, for me to sin, is a competely different story on it's own.  Jesus, was born perfect, & never sinned, but, saw what it was like, to have temptations, especially when Satan offered him all the nations of the world, if Jesus would do an act of obeisance to him, because Satan has complete control over the nations of the world.  But he resisted, unlike Adam & Eve.  And eventually, he was killed as a perfect man, as a sacrifice, to give us a chance to get back what Adam & Eve had screwed up.

Also, I should mention, I hold no ill feelings toward anyone here, we all have our own beliefs, & that's just life.  But, I've always wondered why people who don't believe in God, seem to get mad(correct me if I'm wrong), just because someone else does believe in God?  It's one thing to state what you believe, but it's another to put other's down for their beliefs.  Can't we all just........get along? :D
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Kitsunexus

Quote from: Pcenginefx on 10/23/2007, 02:55 AMWell, I for one was just waiting for the thread to get out of control before I locked it up but we should be able to talk about religion in a civilized manner....
IS THAT A CHALLENGE!? :twisted:
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Hobo Xiphas

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/23/2007, 03:01 AMAlso, I should mention, I hold no ill feelings toward anyone here, we all have our own beliefs, & that's just life.  But, I've always wondered why people who don't believe in God, seem to get mad(correct me if I'm wrong), just because someone else does believe in God?
I, for one, am tired of people trying to convert me to their religion.  I don't mention my religious beliefs at all, but some jerk always comes along and yells how great their religion is in my face constantly.  After years of that, yeah, you tend to get bitter towards religion.

Also, I find it hilarious that religious people have a persecution complex when they are in a supermajority my country.  You evil atheists are oppressing us, despite the fact that 90+% of people believe in god!  :-({|=

ParanoiaDragon

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I'm not trying to convert anybody.  People convert themselves to whatever they want in life, as always, we have free will.  And I'm obviously talking abou threads, & how, atleast I try to remain on a, mmm, not sure what to call it, but, let's say neutral stance.  I'm not saying my religion is the greatest, I'm only saying what I believe.  But, it always seems like Atheists tend to put me down, just for my beliefs.  If I was putting them down, then I would expect the same back, but I don't put Atheists down.  I could even do an example of how I would sit here & say blah blah blah, Atheists, ha ha ha, blah blah.  What would be the point?  :-({|=

BTW, who said anything about Atheists being evil?  That's far from the truth.  Being Atheist doesn't make anyone evil.  Atleast, that's what I believe.



Also, if you have people yelling at you about how great their religion is, then yes, I can deffinitly understand why someone would be bitter.  There are a few Christian religions that tend to get........over zealous, about us being wrong, & them being right.  It's annoying, so, I deffintly understand.
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Kitsunexus

I sincerely honestly believe that you are all idiots.



















































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Hobo Xiphas

I'm not talkin' about anyone in particular, especially here since you guys are generally cool about such things.

Except for rag-time4, who is a complete jerk.  I don't care about religion as long as you don't use it to declare your superiority over another group, who happen to be 51% of the population.

ParanoiaDragon

I have yet to see anyone in this thread, that I think is an idiot, whether it be me, or you.  It's all good. 8)

Cool, glad I'm not offending.  I sometimes worry that I am :?
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Kitsunexus

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/23/2007, 03:19 AMI have yet to see anyone in this thread, that I think is an idiot, whether it be me, or you.  It's all good. 8)
FOR IDIOTS.





























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Seriously.  :P
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Joe Redifer

QuoteOh, & back to temptation, & Adam & Eve sinning.  They were perfect when they sinned, which means they would have to sin on purpose.
We all sin on purpose.  Who sins on accident?  Can you imagine trying to tell that to the police?  "LOL, officer.  It was an accident that I stole this car.  I thought it was mine!!!1!!"  Then the officer would reply "OMG u r soooo rite!  LOLOLOLOL!!!!!1!!"

ParanoiaDragon

Uh, I don't sin on purpose.  If I ran out on my wife, I can pretty much guarentee that would be on purpose, cuz I'd have to force myself to do it.  But, when I look at another woman, I'm not doing it on purpsose, it's just imperfection kicking in, & it's something I fight.  If I don't fight, I keep looking, which can lead to me leaving my wife to go park the car in somebody else's garage.
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Joe Redifer

Looking at another chick isn't a sin.  It's as natural as breathing!  Just because one looks doesn't mean there is the slightest possibility you'd try to cheat on her, right?  Right??  Nobody sins on accident.

PCEngineHell

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/23/2007, 04:27 AMIf I ran out on my wife, I can pretty much guarentee that would be on purpose,   If I don't fight, I keep looking, which can lead to me leaving my wife to go park the car in somebody else's garage.
Sounds like you have been thinking it over for awhile now ehh [-X
So is that how you refer to having sex,"parking your car" in "somebodies garage" ?

If so thats really corny.

PCEngineFX

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ParanoiaDragon

If someone looks at a woman so as to have a passion for her, he has already commited adultary with her, in his heart.  Looking at other women is a great weakness for me(frankly, it has been since I was a little kid, but, now that I'm married, it's just plain annoying), checking a girl out, when you're married is a sin.  I used this as an example.  Believe me, when I say I love my wife more then life itself!  But, women are friggin' beautiful!  I've been getting better & better at not even checking a girl out.  Now I'm pretty much to the point, to where I don't care what a girl looks like.  Either way, I told you, like everyone else, I'm a sinner, it's inherited.

The parking in the garage thing, was just an attempt of me trying to make things a little lighter here.  That's not what I call it.  It was the only thing I could think of at the time, to say having sex in a lighter way.  I just call it sex.

Someone who steals a car, is sinning on purpose, they purposely stole that car.  Perfect beings have a simple Yes/No about doing what's wrong/right.  Imperfect beings, however, it's not so simple.  We actually struggle with various things in life, that are considered sins.  Some sins are obviously worse then others.  But, I believe, of what I call sin, we sin everyday.  As I said, it's inherited.  Thru one man, sin entered the world, & death thru sin.
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Nazi NecroPhile

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 10/23/2007, 01:37 PMIf someone looks at a woman so as to have a passion for her, he has already commited adultary with her, in his heart.
But, eatin' ain't cheatin'! *  :dance:

* If it's good enough for the President, then it's good enough for me. 
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ParanoiaDragon

But, it can lead to that.  Why get close to doing something bad, since, it starts with the thought of cheating, & progresses from there.

I should also mention, I think I might have a harder time with it possibly because of my OCD.  Not only do I check my locks & doorknobs a million times before I leave, but I also get things stuck in my head.  I just came from Trader Joe's on the way home from work, & there was quite a hot lady, that may or may not been checking me out.  But I kept telling myself to shut up, & to stop thinking.  Even while driving home, she kept creeping into my mind, & it pisses me off.  I get so sick of when I fall like that.  My wife knows that I'm struggling with looking at other women, so, it's no secret.  But, something I've been using lately, to get myself to stop, is to think of myself being smacked for looking at a chick.  And it works better then anything so far.  However, some days are worse then others, including with my door locking problem.  If I'm tired, it's worse, I have to fight even harder to battle these imperfections, it's very frusterating, but, as I said, lately, it's getting alot easier to fight, since my new tactic, it wakes me up.
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Nazi NecroPhile

You misunderstood my post P.D.  The eatin' that I was talking about didn't involve food; it was my own feeble effort at a little levity.

I fully understand where you're coming from.  The women I've known that would get pissed due to my wandering eye far outnumbered those that were cool with it.  Personally, I don't worry about a casual peek, but what you describe would bother me as it does you.
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ParanoiaDragon

I guess I wasn't totally sure what you mean.  But, yeah, noticing a girl is hot, is one thing, but, to continue to look, or dwell on those thoughts, mentally undressing her, etc., that's where the real fight comes in, cuz I feel if I don't fight those thoughts, it will gradually lead me closer to do what is bad in God's eyes.
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Joe Redifer

Would the big, bad G-man send you to hell for looking at some other bitch and thinking "God DAMN I'd like to pork that!  Oh well" and then just walking on?  If he did, then that god is pure evil.  Thanks for totally turning me away from your religion.  I was going to join and go annoy my neighborhood by ringing their doorbells while they eat and tell them stuff they don't want to hear, but now I'm not going to because I don't want to serve your evil, jealous god.  I hate your god.  He can go to hell.  What a loser.  I beat I could him in an arm-wrestling match, too.

Quote from: pcenginefxYou know, we should have a sex thread. <hint hint>
You just want to brag about all of your threesomes!

ParanoiaDragon

Nah, I wouldn't go to a fiery burning place called Hell.  God may destroy people who end up being evil, but, that's only unconsiousness, a sleep.  All people who die go to hell/sheol/hades/the grave, with the exception of the 144,000 who go to heaven, & the ones that have sinned against the holy spirit, like the Pharisee's, & Judas, will go to Gehenna(which basically means eternal destruction/no chance of ressurection).  So, for me, no matter what I do, if I die before Armageddon, I'm going to hell, & I'm fine with that, because as I stated earlier "there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She′ol, the place to which you are going". 

Then, after Armageddon, I'll hopefully be resurected to perfection in everlasting life.  And if not, well, I won't bother me, because if I'm dead I won't be sitting there going "Aw, come on!  Resurect me already!".  It's like if say, my mom didn't get pregnant with me, maybe they used protection, would I be sitting somehwere going, "Aw, come on!  I want to be a living breathing bouncing baby boy!"?  I don't believe I would.  Thankfully, I believe God truly is love, otherwise, wicked people would be tormented in a fiery burning hell.  But I personally believe no such thing.  Even with the wicked that are destroyed at Armageddon, they won't be tormented in Gehenna, they will just be destroyed, & that's it.

And it's pretty damn hard to go door to door, seeing if people have an interest in learning about the Bible, epecially for me, but I follow Christ's words where he says at Mathew 28:19 & 20 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."  That's a command, & I fight to obey it, despite how hard it is to do.  I'm a shy person in person, & ofcoarse, most people aren't comfortable just going up to people door's to find interest in the Bible.  There are JW's in foreign countries, where it's banned to preach, like in China, but they do it anyways, even if it's more in secret, at the risk of being arrested.  Even in lands in the Middle East, we go & preach, under the radar, at risk of being killed.  It's that important.  You don't have to believe me, & I don't expect you to.  But, we all have choices to make in life, & this has been my choice, despite that I feel I'm a weak willed person, I feel it's the truth, & I'm determined to never back down, believe it(as Naruto would say)! :D

Hmm, that's a really cool thing, about God NOT making us robots, but yet, doing what we feel is the correct thing to do, no matter how hard it is, I feel that I have the truth, & that I'm on the correct path.  Is it easy, not even.  Mathew 7:13 & 14 "Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it."

I hope that at the very least, you can respect me for trying to do what I feel is the righteous thing in my life.  Even though I don't know you personally, I don't think you are an evil person.  There's no reason for me to think that.  I believe, that whatever you are doing in life, you believe to be the corret path, & I respect you for that.
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Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/23/2007, 07:00 PMWould the big, bad G-man send you to hell for looking at some other bitch and thinking "God DAMN I'd like to pork that!  Oh well" and then just walking on?  If he did, then that god is pure evil.
He could send you the hell or he could not, that's all his decision and it's not for us to judge. God is most merciful so even if you sinned thousands of times, he never hesitates to forgive if you mean it. If you believe in that, then what other person or thing could possibly be more forgiving? Evil doesn't forgive.
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Joe Redifer

Quote from: KeranuHe could send you the hell or he could not, that's all his decision and it's not for us to judge.
Well I'm judging!  Let's see him try to stop me.  No?  OK.  I win.

Quote from: KeranuGod is most merciful so even if you sinned thousands of times, he never hesitates to forgive if you mean it.
Rock on, a free pass to do anything I want and still get the good seats after I die!

rag-time4

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Quote from: guest on 10/23/2007, 01:42 AMMy original point was that it is a means to control women and nothing more.  If it were truly intended to keep thoughts pure, then both men and women would have the same requirements (yes, men have a dress code, but it is nowhere near as concealing as women's).
What if men and women's "weaknesses" or needs are not the same? Maybe what works well for one may not work well for the other?

But I certainly understand where you're coming from. If there were no subjugation involved and it were only about keeping thoughts pure, why shouldn't things be equal? Right?

What if men's and women's natures are a bit different?

Quote from: necromancerYou got me there, kind of.  Pride is the worst of the seven deadly sins, but only when it is excessive and interferes with your thoughts and actions.  My point was that having the qualities that define a 'Christian lifestyle' is something to be proud of, independent of religious code.  It doesn't matter if the actions arise because of God's instructions, because mommy told you, or just because it seemed like a good idea at the time.
I'm a Muslim and not ashamed of it.

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Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/22/2007, 05:33 PMKeranu, I found something in the New Testament about it, the head covering for women to be specific.

1 Corinthians Chapter 2

The Bible here presents it as a symbol of authority of men over women, which Necromancer spoke out against earlier.

verse 10 : For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

verse 3: But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

This goes back to what I said earlier about Elijah Muhammad teaching us that women are supposed to be subordinate to men, and men are supposed to be subordinate to God. Here the Bible inserts Christ as an intermediary between man and God, which we accept, since Christ represents a perfect example for us on how to submit to the Will of Allah.
Interesting example of how to interpret something to hear just what you want to hear.  Perhaps you should read a few more verses:

11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

I interpret the earlier verses to allude to the creation of man in God's image and the creation of woman from man's rib.  In light of verses 11 and 12, how does it all imply that women are subordinate to man?
The head is the house of the mind, which controls the body, in God's ideal order of things.

When people submit to their lower desires, as with excessive sexual desire, God's order may be upset. God wants us, I believe, to condition ourselves so that our mind is dominant over our lower desires.

Verse 3, I believe, gives us God's order. Jesus, as I said above, represents to us a perfect example of oneness with God. For the rest of us, who aren't at Jesus' level, Jesus is "the way" for us to attain that Godly Mind.

Philippians 2:5

The woman, in turn, gets the Godly mind through her man, who is following in the footsteps of Christ.

The chapter that you are quoting, I Corinthians 11 is very explicit about women being subordinate to men in God's order.

7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man.
9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.
10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

I don't see it being implied that women are to be subordinate to men in God's order. It seems very clear.

You quoted verses 11 and 12:
11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.
12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

I interpret these verses, in part, as an explaination of God's order as it relates to men and women, and also a limitation and instruction on how to maintain God's order.

To give a concise (as I can) explanation: Christ cannot attain the mind of God without a woman, nor can man attain the mind of Christ without a woman. Woman cannot attain the mind of Christ without a man.

Men and women are not complete by themselves, we are taught. Rather, men and women are two different representations of the same original Essense, which is God. Islam, as taught by Elijah Muhammad, does not condone celibacy.

The Qur'An gives us some instruction on the relationship between men and women as well.

Qur'An 7:189 (Maulana Muhammad Ali translation): He it is Who created you from a single soul, and of the same did He make his mate, that he might find comfort in her...

Qur'An 4:34 (Maulana Muhammad Ali translation): Men are the maintainers of women...

I cite these to show the meaning of the Bible's statement that men and women are not independent of one another, in the Lord. Men and women have spiritual responsibilites to one another, we believe, and the fulfilling of these responsibilities is a key to unlocking the Godly mind within each and every one of us.

I want to say to everyone that none of my posts are intended to put anyone else down. Necromancer has asked me a question or questions and I'm doing my best to answer as best I can. [-o&lt;

rag-time4

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Quote from: GUTS on 10/22/2007, 10:46 PMThis thread is absolutely fucking retarded.
It is and i wounder why it hasn't died yet.
Keranu forgot how to lock threads. :P
Well, I for one was just waiting for the thread to get out of control before I locked it up but we should be able to talk about religion in a civilized manner....
Thank you for giving us the opportunity!

It's been very interesting to get to know each other a little better, which is what the thread was about in the first place.

Through this thread, I found out Keranu was also a Muslim, and he sent me a PM with a link to a site that let me find a couple Mosques and a Halal [kosher] market in my town, which I probably wouldn't have found on my own. (thanks keranu)

Keranu

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/24/2007, 01:28 AM
Quote from: KeranuHe could send you the hell or he could not, that's all his decision and it's not for us to judge.
Well I'm judging!  Let's see him try to stop me.  No?  OK.  I win.
This isn't the day of judgement.

Quote from: KeranuGod is most merciful so even if you sinned thousands of times, he never hesitates to forgive if you mean it.
Rock on, a free pass to do anything I want and still get the good seats after I die![/quote]
LOL. Forgiveness is more than just a word.

Quote from: ragtimeThrough this thread, I found out Keranu was also a Muslim, and he sent me a PM with a link to a site that let me find a couple Mosques and a Halal [kosher] market in my town, which I probably wouldn't have found on my own. (thanks keranu)
Any time!
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PCEngineHell

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Seriously Joe,it does seem like your kinda pissed that someone else is believing in something you don't. You shouldn't be so bothered by it. Besides,what really matters more then anything is that if what the person is doing only brings about  a positive effect then there is no harm done really,esp if it is having a positive impact on their life and self being. I don't understand why someone chooses to believe in any religion,whether they are bred into it or by choice as a adult,but it doesn't matter to me.

My ex-inlaws are JW,and I totally respect that,and we get along fine. I don't understand the exclusive 144,000 thing,honestly,and I wouldn't like that much,but if a person who follows this belief or any other is perfectly fine with that then why should anyone else care? Not just that,but like PD for instance,PD is cool,he never bothers anyone,and is one of the nicest members here,and even though I was hassling him a tad,its because I would more or less hassle anyone here :P.I like him alot along with other members here,regardless of what ever religion,and Id never say something like some of the stuff you said,like God and Jesus having  sex.

You were doing that specifically to piss people off who would be offended by that...very inconsiderate and very negative. I even found it offensive. People get too up riled over religion,and everyone wants to be right,or their specific religion to be right.  Its human nature to poke fun,esp in things you don't believe in,or to poke fun at others and their religions and personal beliefs ,but you should at least have a limit to it,and in some manner keep it friendly as possible,and not make it completely vulgar.

Thats a quick way to lose friends and respect here among everyone.

rag-time4

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Quote from: PCEngineHell on 10/24/2007, 12:53 PM...and Id never say something like some of the stuff you said,like God and Jesus having  sex.

You were doing that specifically to piss people off who would be offended by that...very inconsiderate and very negative. I even found it offensive. People get too up riled over religion,and everyone wants to be right,or their specific religion to be right.  Its human nature to poke fun,esp in things you don't believe in,or to poke fun at others and their religions and personal beliefs ,but you should at least have a limit to it,and in some manner keep it friendly as possible,and not make it completely vulgar.

Thats a quick way to lose friends and respect here among everyone.
I've concluded... the Sega Genesis is the root of all evil!

As one of the more religious folks who has been participating in the thread, I took Joe's comments as a test of our tolerance.

Are we going to jump all over him for it, and "kill the heretic"? My faith is all about the Messenger giving us a warning, and then God coming in and judging us for what we do.

I find it very interesting that the most passionate debates here seem to be religious and non-religious, rather than among the various religions represented.

I didn't come into the thread with the idea of trying to spread the interpretations of various religious texts that I have been taught, but a few others have asked some interesting questions (Joe included) so I have tried to answer as best I could.

But I totally understand that those who are non-religious might feel threatened or irritated by a lot of what I had to say.

Ceti Alpha

QuoteI've concluded... the Sega Genesis is the root of all evil!
You've only just figured this out now?!  :P
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PCEngineHell

Well,I am pretty much on par as with Joe in my beliefs,but I still draw lines as to playing around and poking fun and being completely vulgar.

Nazi NecroPhile

I'll take Joe's light-hearted vulgarity to being proclaimed an idiot any day.
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Ceti Alpha

....yeah, this thread was bound to end up this way....  :|


...soooooo.....how 'bout those Patriots?  :-"
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rag-time4

Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/24/2007, 04:38 PM....yeah, this thread was bound to end up this way....  :|


...soooooo.....how 'bout those Patriots?  :-"
Randy Moss is looking like Randy Moss again, that's for sure!

Joe Redifer

Michael, you always take things so seriously.  Remember when you thought my Gate of Thunder covers were real?  Lighten up.

Ceti Alpha

I think we all have to ask ourselves one important question....

...what would Jesus do?
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Joe Redifer

LOL :)

You mean "what do you think Jesus would do?"  We honestly don't know what he'd do in a given situation, we can only assume.  And who are we to speak for him?

rag-time4

Quote from: Keranu on 10/23/2007, 02:33 AMI recommend watching the infamous "Is The Bible God's Words?" debate between Jimmy Swaggart and Ahmed Deedat. I think every Muslim got a good laugh at Swaggart's bullshit story at the end :lol: .
Keranu, thanks for posting this video. I'm just wrapping it up. I actually heard about it years ago but never took the time to watch it until now.

JoshTurboTrollX

Quote...soooooo.....how 'bout those Patriots? 
I hope the Colts can manage to beat the Patriots.  The Pats are WAY too good, and I hate that.

Super bowl predictions?

AFC Colts Vs.  NFC Packers



Anyone else?
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Joe Redifer

I always root for the Denver Broncos, though it may be a lost cause this year.

Ceti Alpha

QuoteThe Pats are WAY too good, and I hate that.
I know what you mean. It's like they shouldn't even be allowed in the NFL. hehe

I've actually only gotten into Football, aside from a little college ball (Go Huskies!!!), just this past year. Everyone I work with loves it so I'm always hearing about it and watching games with them. I used to think it was boring, but I'm starting to come around now.  :)

I remember my first taste of how Americans love their football a couple years ago while stopping off in Portland, Maine for a couple days on my way to driving to NYC for vacation. The bars were packed on a Sunday and Monday night with people watching football. Pretty much the same here, but with hockey.  :wink: It was cool though because I knew then I was in the USA. heh  8)
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Keranu

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/24/2007, 08:09 PM
Quote from: Keranu on 10/23/2007, 02:33 AMI recommend watching the infamous "Is The Bible God's Words?" debate between Jimmy Swaggart and Ahmed Deedat. I think every Muslim got a good laugh at Swaggart's bullshit story at the end :lol: .
Keranu, thanks for posting this video. I'm just wrapping it up. I actually heard about it years ago but never took the time to watch it until now.
According to Jimmy Swaggart, us Muslims pray in the name of our prophets :P .
Quote from: TurboXray on 01/02/2014, 09:21 PMAdding PCE console specific layer on top of that, makes for an interesting challenge (no, not a reference to Ys II).
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JoshTurboTrollX

Hey Joe, Packers @ Broncos <-Monday Night Football!!

I bet my Packers beat up on your Little Pony's!!
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rag-time4

Quote from: Keranu on 10/24/2007, 10:14 PM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/24/2007, 08:09 PM
Quote from: Keranu on 10/23/2007, 02:33 AMI recommend watching the infamous "Is The Bible God's Words?" debate between Jimmy Swaggart and Ahmed Deedat. I think every Muslim got a good laugh at Swaggart's bullshit story at the end :lol: .
Keranu, thanks for posting this video. I'm just wrapping it up. I actually heard about it years ago but never took the time to watch it until now.
According to Jimmy Swaggart, us Muslims pray in the name of our prophets :P .
Do you think that Swaggart said that out of ignorance or do you think his did it intentionally? I think it's too bad that brother Ahmed Deedat didn't make Swaggart's mistake clear, for the benefit of Swaggart's constituency.

One thing I thought was interesting was that at the end of part 10, there are photos of a couple Muslims shown, including brother Khallid Muhammad from the Nation of Islam. Any idea what that was all about?

I have a couple of brother Khallid's debates on VHS tape. He did one against pastor Chuck Singleton of loveland baptist church on the same topic (is bible the unaltered word of God), and a very interesting panel discussion with 2 Jewish brothers on the meaning of "God's chosen people".

Keranu

I think Swaggart completely made up that story. I doubt you could find one Muslim on the planet that would ever "pray in the name of Muhammad". Notice how Swaggart didn't even attempt to refute Deedat's final rebuttal and instead made up a story about how Jesus can save lives just to make his case look good. From what I recall, the debate ended after Deedat's story leaving Deedat no time to comment on it, but I'm sure he has pointed it out in other debates of his.

Sometimes famous religious people attend the debates and they are shown on the camera. I remember seeing Yusuf Islam in another Deedat debate against Anis Shorrosh.
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Joe Redifer

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16Hey Joe, Packers @ Broncos <-Monday Night Football!!

I bet my Packers beat up on your Little Pony's!!
I remember the Broncos handing it to the Packers in a certain Superbowl.  Many tears fell in Packer-land.

rag-time4

Quote from: Keranu on 10/24/2007, 10:39 PMI think Swaggart completely made up that story. I doubt you could find one Muslim on the planet that would ever "pray in the name of Muhammad". Notice how Swaggart didn't even attempt to refute Deedat's final rebuttal and instead made up a story about how Jesus can save lives just to make his case look good. From what I recall, the debate ended after Deedat's story leaving Deedat no time to comment on it, but I'm sure he has pointed it out in other debates of his.

Sometimes famous religious people attend the debates and they are shown on the camera. I remember seeing Yusuf Islam in another Deedat debate against Anis Shorrosh.
I think in both cases (Muslim prayer and Jesus saving lives) Swaggart was using standard rhetoric to appeal to his own constituency.

Obviously, any Muslim knows that we don't pray in the name of Muhammad. As Brother Deedat said again and again: "In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Most Gracious"(I think that was his translation)

But Swaggart's constituency may not know that. I think it may have been said above somewhere that Allah seals the hearts and ears of those whom he pleases... so what are the factors involved that would cause Swaggart's constituency to believe something that is an obvious lie/error? (Muslims pray in the name of Muhammad)

Keranu

Quote from: rag-time4 on 10/24/2007, 11:17 PMBut Swaggart's constituency may not know that. I think it may have been said above somewhere that Allah seals the hearts and ears of those whom he pleases... so what are the factors involved that would cause Swaggart's constituency to believe something that is an obvious lie/error? (Muslims pray in the name of Muhammad)
I think it's very possible that Swaggart wasn't aware that Muslims don't pray in the name of Muhammad (saw), but regardless I think he purposely made up the story anyways just to make him look good.
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Joe Redifer

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I would personally appreciate it if they'd stop making those dumb Saw movies every 6 months.  Do people really enjoy that crap?

JoshTurboTrollX

QuoteI would personally appreciate it if they'd stop making those dumb Saw movies every 6 months.
The Saw movies are just trying to catch up to the Mario Party games.


QuoteMany tears fell in Packer-land.
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guyjin

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/24/2007, 11:37 PM
Quote from: KeranuMuhammad (saw)
I would personally appreciate it if they'd stop making those dumb Saw movies every 6 months.  Do people really enjoy that crap?
they're trying to recreate the 80's horror flick feel, like friday the 13th. Like that series, they probably won't really hit their stride until #5 or 6.

Hobo Xiphas

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 10/24/2007, 09:58 PMI always root for the Denver Broncos, though it may be a lost cause this year.
There is always ROCKTOBER

But seriously, you most really be barfing your brains out from hearing that awful pun so much