Xymati

[ParanoiaDragon]

I actually LOVE Defender 2K for the Jaguar, it's just a great game all around IMO.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I actually LOVE Defender 2K for the Jaguar, it's just a great game all around IMO.

Thats Tempest.  not Defender, lol

[ParanoiaDragon]

I actually LOVE Defender 2K for the Jaguar, it's just a great game all around IMO.

Thats Tempest.  not Defender, lol

No, I deffinitly mean Defender 2K!  You didn't know about it?  I think you'd love it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_2000

[Tatsujin]

I think making clones of old arcade games (like Berzerk and Defender) is a great way to learn the ins and outs of game design and basic coding. Those older titles are usually fairly simple and a bit repetitive, but they also have a certain amount of appeal and addiction as well, otherwise people wouldn't keep looking back to them for inspiration. It's not hard to find adequate graphics to fill in for those kinds of titles, either. And once you've become comfortable working with those, then you can move on to harder tasks, such as games with longer scrolling levels and varied character behaviors and sprite interactions. I definitely think that's the way to go.

Yep.  and believe it or not, some of these old arcade games have more complexities than what you'd think!

alot of things you have to plan for.  Its good stuff.  Defender itself is basically a horizontal shmup test-drive.  *wink wink*

Legend of Zelda is a good example. Simple grafx, but a hell of complexities. And then there is even a 2nd, completely different run.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I actually LOVE Defender 2K for the Jaguar, it's just a great game all around IMO.

Thats Tempest.  not Defender, lol

No, I deffinitly mean Defender 2K!  You didn't know about it?  I think you'd love it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_2000

hory shet I need to get my jaguar operational.  Thats sweet.

[Nate]

Ok, you may now have a listen to 3 of the 12 or so songs from Xymati as well as own them in whatever format you desire! We're gravitating toward the name "VodSound" so this is an attempt to stave-off any mass-confusion. We're also fiddling a lot with the PCE Sound Generator and getting lots of great results! Please enjoy!

-Nate

http://vodkatronsoundteam.bandcamp.com

[ParanoiaDragon]

In Special Thanks it says Propellerheads?  Do you know them, or were they just an influence on the song?

BTW, I prefer Vodkatron personally, sounds like a drunken Decepticon!  Also, haven't seen you on IRC chat lately, been wanting to ask you a few midi questions, since I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around alot of it, & you have ALOT more experience with that kind of stuff!  BTW, the songs rock ofcoarse!

[Nate]

Propellerheads?  Do you know them, or were they just an influence on the song?

They created Reason (damn, i hope I'm right about that)...I also thank my good friend Craig, cause he installed it. So, I *ahem*...we thank them...Gunhed's stage one was kinda the main influence; may even be the same tempo, can't remember.

I'll drop into the channel soon...I really hope I can answer your questions - or at least help you with something; not so sure i have that much more experience w/ midi than you do, man. I'm in the process of moving right now btw.

Thanks! How's the Bonk game coming along?

[ParanoiaDragon]

Cool, hopefully will see you soon.  Trying to work on music for Jungle Bros., which is gonna have a P Funk sound to it, nervous that I won't be able to get it quite right, but, we'll see how it turns out soon enough.  As for Bonk, I think I have 9 songs completed, not alot has been done outside that, since we're focusing on Jungle Bros. which will probably use the same game engine.

[Nate]

ParanoiaDragon wrote:

nervous that I won't

There's nothing to be nervous about - funk is fun and easy you'll do fine; and that's a damn good idea btw. I'd enjoy something like that.

[ParanoiaDragon]

Fun yes, but I still have yet to really get something together for people to listen to, I have the first song needed all up in my head, but have had problems getting it down on my sequencer   Unfortunately, sometimes ideas that sound great in mind, don't work out in sound.

[Nate]

Well, if you ever need some fonky random guitar riffs - i'm your guy. You could send me a file and I'll accomp. and send you some files to work w / back no problem...

[ParanoiaDragon]

Yeah, depending on how things go, I might employ some of your funk

[Arjak]

I went to the MindRec website just because, and look what I found!

http://xymati.com/

[Keranu]

I went to the MindRec website just because, and look what I found!

http://xymati.com/

Wow sweet find!

[SignOfZeta]

Nice!

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Nice indeed. 

"390 worthless humans were destroyed by the Xymati High Council before you got here." 

[Ceti Alpha]

Nice indeed. 

"390 worthless humans were destroyed by the Xymati High Council before you got here." 

I thought that was a nice touch as well. 

[FraGMarE]

Update: Both PC-Engine and XBLA progress has resumed on this.  Yes, I said PC-Engine.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Update: Both PC-Engine and XBLA progress has resumed on this.  Yes, I said PC-Engine.

*fingers crossed*

[roflmao]

I noticed a couple of updates on the xymati fb page recently, so that's another good sign!

[ParanoiaDragon]

Update: Both PC-Engine and XBLA progress has resumed on this.  Yes, I said PC-Engine.

Holy frijoles!!

[VestCunt]

Yes, I said PC-Engine.

**** YEAH!

[Nazi NecroPhile]

Update: Both PC-Engine and XBLA progress has resumed on this.  Yes, I said PC-Engine.

Commence fapping!

[Arjak]

Update: Both PC-Engine and XBLA progress has resumed on this.  Yes, I said PC-Engine.

YES! I don't have an 360 (and I don't plan on getting one), so this is good news! I was pretty sad when I heard that it might become a XBLA exclusive, so it's good to hear that it might still see the light on PCE!

Keep fighting the good fight, Fragmare!

[Tatsujin]

DID HE JUST SAID FOR GDHMF PC ENGINE ?  

HE JUST SAID FOR GDHMF PC ENIGNE !  

[FraGMarE]

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[BlackandBlue]

oh... my post was lost.  Either way, thanks for the teasers fragmare.  This truly looks like it will be a great game once it's completed.  Hopefully the gameplay matches the graphics

[esteban]

I am overjoyed that (1) Xymati is closer to seeing the light of day and (2) THERE MIGHT BE A PCE VERSION!

Holy snap, this is divine news.

I will gladly wait an additional 2-3 years, as long as Xymati is actually released . I am not kidding. Xymati looks and sounds splendid--it would be well worth the wait.

[jlued686]

BT Garner also posted this to the Turbo List this morning. Thought I'd share...

Xymati was supposed to be the follow up PCE game to Meteor Blaster.
There was some proof of concept work done, but pretty early on, it was
showing signs of being a difficult task on the limited PCE hardware,
plus the interest in the PCE was decreasing, and I was having a hard
time justifying the amount of time needed for such an effort.  You can
see the prototype in this video (along with other lost MindRec
efforts):

Xymati was exhumed a few years ago, but with an eye on the PC market.
Most of the time in the last 2 years have been spent working on a 2D
game engine.  You can see the current status of Xymati in the latest
video:

It is not perfect, but it is getting there.  Using the Game Engine, it
took about 4 hours to "script" all the enemies in that video.  The
goal of the engine is to make it so that new levels can have the GFX
and sound elements dumped in the project, then 8 hours later you
compile your script and include it in the project.  This removes all
the traditional "coding" needed for a game.  When I was toying around
with a kickstarter campaign for this, one of the "rewards" was a
one-on-one teaching session where you would learn how to use the Game
Engine.

-bt

Regarding the part I put in bold type, I hope the recent successes of Mysterious Song and Pyramid Plunder convince them that releasing the game on PC Engine is worthwhile. Hopefully enough people buy the Meteor Blaster DX reprint to help persuade him as well.

[OldRover]

Eponasoft is handling the PC Engine port but it has been on standby for awhile now due to other things getting in the way.

[jlued686]

That's great news! Well...other than the standby part. ;)

[Bardoly]

This is the first that I've heard of this.  It looks great!  Hopefully if the 'press run' of Meteor Blaster DX goes through, then some funding could be put into this game.  

[esteban]

Eponasoft is handling the PC Engine port but it has been on standby for awhile now due to other things getting in the way.

I'll repeat myself from earlier in the thread: I will gladly wait years to see a PCE port/version.

[roflmao]

I'll repeat myself from earlier in the thread: I will gladly wait years to see a PCE port/version.

It's already been years, so what's a few more?    bt has posted a few teaser videos on his yt page and it's looking great so far!

https://www.youtube.com/user/btgarner/videos?flow=grid&view=0

[cjameslv]

Soooooo.....is this game development dead or will this shmup be brought to life?

[esteban]

Soooooo.....is this game development dead or will this shmup be brought to life?

bt garner and company were going to finish Xymati as a PC game?

Old_Rover has been busy with Real Life (in addition to MSR, Lucretia, etc.)


The sad thing is that bt garner didn't want to finish it up as a PCE game

Thankfully, though, someone will finish the PCE version.

If nobody else does it, I'll do it. sure, it'll be ready in two decades (2034!), but IT WILL HAPPEN.

Or not.

[spenoza]

The PCE dev scene is in a minor lull right now. Devs have other stuff going on right now, though there's some really great under-the-hood stuff occurring. I think there's also stuff here and there that's under the radar. But Xymati can't be finished on the PCE until it's finished on the PC.

[FraGMarE]

Soooooo.....is this game development dead or will this shmup be brought to life?

It's still alive, trust me.  As is PC-Gunjin.  Most of the graphics are finished, it just needs programmed (mostly in HuC6280 ASM).  Any takers? 

I've been thinking a free-to-download Caravan/Time Attack stage might be a good way to get a good portion of the game engine programmed and give people a taste of what the game will be like... hmm.

Thoughts?

[cjameslv]

Soooooo.....is this game development dead or will this shmup be brought to life?

It's still alive, trust me.  As is PC-Gunjin.  Most of the graphics are finished, it just needs programmed (mostly in HuC6280 ASM).  Any takers? 

I've been thinking a free-to-download Caravan/Time Attack stage might be a good way to get a good portion of the game engine programmed and give people a taste of what the game will be like... hmm.

Thoughts?

Now your talking! A 2m time attack would be awesome. I only know graphic design or i'd be willing to help 

[ParanoiaDragon]

Soooooo.....is this game development dead or will this shmup be brought to life?

It's still alive, trust me.  As is PC-Gunjin.  Most of the graphics are finished, it just needs programmed (mostly in HuC6280 ASM).  Any takers? 

I've been thinking a free-to-download Caravan/Time Attack stage might be a good way to get a good portion of the game engine programmed and give people a taste of what the game will be like... hmm.

Thoughts?

That's not a bad idea, I like the sound of that!  Same goes with PC Gunjin(a caravan mode), as I have much more interest in it thanks to the lack of run n' guns on the Turbo.

[touko]

It's still alive, trust me.  As is PC-Gunjin.  Most of the graphics are finished, it just needs programmed (mostly in HuC6280 ASM).  Any takers?

need a programmer for both or pc-gunjin ??

i'am interested, but i have too many projects :-( ..
We can form a team for this .

[spenoza]

Two genres the PCE is really weak on are Contra-style run 'n guns and beat 'em ups. Some people say it's weak on fighters, but with the ACD, I don't entirely agree given when fighters starting becoming popular.

[FraGMarE]

It's still alive, trust me.  As is PC-Gunjin.  Most of the graphics are finished, it just needs programmed (mostly in HuC6280 ASM).  Any takers?

need a programmer for both or pc-gunjin ??

i'am interested, but i have too many projects :-( ..
We can form a team for this .

Both.  And everybody seems to have too many projects.  :/

Two genres the PCE is really weak on are Contra-style run 'n guns and beat 'em ups. Some people say it's weak on fighters, but with the ACD, I don't entirely agree given when fighters starting becoming popular.

Agreed.  The PCE/TG-16 basically has zero platforming run-n-guns or X+Y movement beat-em-ups worth a damn.  Ninja Spirit is more or less a 1p run-n-gun with a feudal Japanese theme, and it's an awesome game, but I think people crave a traditional 2p post-apocalyptic run-n-gun, a la Contra.  Riot Zone is mediocre, at best, and Golden Axe for the PCE CD is a joke.  And it's bad joke, at that.

[touko]

Both.  And everybody seems to have too many projects.  :/

Yes it's true :-(,but is not frozen utopia who's supposed to code xymati ???

I suppose Rover is too busy too ..

[OldRover]

I suppose Rover is too busy too ..

I'd been working on the code on and off since we decided to co-op on this, but had not been on IRC at all in some time to talk about how it's been going. I had to later put it on the back burner to focus on another project that Creative wanted finished.

[touko]

ah, ok Rover , i understand ..
Xymati or gunjin are very long to do, i 'am very interested in gunjin ,but i'm afraid of not being able to finish it because of my current projects ..
I do not want to disappoint the people waiting this games once again .

[Bardoly]

Two genres the PCE is really weak on are Contra-style run 'n guns and beat 'em ups. Some people say it's weak on fighters, but with the ACD, I don't entirely agree given when fighters starting becoming popular.

Agreed.  The PCE/TG-16 basically has zero platforming run-n-guns or X+Y movement beat-em-ups worth a damn.  Ninja Spirit is more or less a 1p run-n-gun with a feudal Japanese theme, and it's an awesome game, but I think people crave a traditional 2p post-apocalyptic run-n-gun, a la Contra.  Riot Zone is mediocre, at best, and Golden Axe for the PCE CD is a joke.  And it's bad joke, at that.

Wouldn't Horror Story count?  Another one, although it's an overhead run-'n-gun, is Mystic Formula.  Both of these two games are 2-player cooperative.

[spenoza]

I think they count, but that still doesn't give the system a healthy complement of games in those genres. The PCE has no good response (not even close) to Contra or Gunstar Heroes, or even to the later Turrican games. It also has no good response to Final Fight or Streets of Rage. There are a couple mediocre titles in each genre, but no standouts.

[Bardoly]

Legend of Hero Tonma is pretty close to a run-'n-gun as well, and there may be a few others, Doraemon - Nobita's Dorabian Night is pretty close, too, and I really enjoyed both of them.  (Just remembered Bonze adventure, which is also similar.)

I can't remember any decent beat-'em-ups right now, though.