PCE, SNES and Genesis Screen Comparison.

shubibiman · 12/09/2009, 09:34 AM

Maybe could we compare the pce version with the DS one.
As for alshark, as it is one of my favorite PCE RPGs, I'd be curious to see the Mega CD version.

Tatsujin · 12/09/2009, 09:48 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/09/2009, 12:14 AMI checked page xyz like Tats suggested. I couldn't find the page, actually. We use numbered pages here.

therefore god handed out a brain to each person

NecroPhile · 12/09/2009, 10:15 AM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/08/2009, 09:45 PMI don't recall if Dynastic Hero & Wonderboy 5 were compared.

Use the search function, dammit!!!!1!1!!!one!!1!!

Sega-16 has a good comparison article on the two, but unfortunately it's severely light on pictures (just one).

Tatsujin · 12/09/2009, 10:16 AM

OK, it was page 23

ParanoiaDragon · 12/10/2009, 03:15 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 12/09/2009, 07:44 AM
Quote from: ParanoiaDragonCould also compare the Tengai Makyou's on Turbo & SNES.
Tengai Makyou Zero (SFC) is its own game. I don't know if it even has any of the same characters.

Yeah, Zero is totally different, not sure if any chars from other games show up, I was just wondering how it compared to maybe Kabukiden.

CrackTiger · 12/10/2009, 09:56 AM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/10/2009, 03:15 AM
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 12/09/2009, 07:44 AM
Quote from: ParanoiaDragonCould also compare the Tengai Makyou's on Turbo & SNES.
Tengai Makyou Zero (SFC) is its own game. I don't know if it even has any of the same characters.
Yeah, Zero is totally different, not sure if any chars from other games show up, I was just wondering how it compared to maybe Kabukiden.

Kabukiden is a Final Fantasy style Tengai Makyou. Zero is like TM2 (and ZIRIA) with influences from IV which was developed around the same time. The graphics try to be more late-SFC-RPG'ish while still maintaining the cartoony TM style. Kabuki makes an appearance early on as a NPC.

Ceti Alpha · 12/10/2009, 11:32 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 12/09/2009, 10:16 AMOK, it was page 23

esteban · 12/12/2009, 12:20 PM

I would like to see PCE's Gotzendiener (sp?) compared to the the arcade version of Sega's Moonwalker.

ParanoiaDragon · 12/12/2009, 04:16 PM

Quote from: esteban on 12/12/2009, 12:20 PMI would like to see PCE's Gotzendiener (sp?) compared to the the arcade version of Sega's Moonwalker.

Orrrrr, Gotzendeiner in comparison to Landstalker.

esteban · 12/12/2009, 05:20 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/12/2009, 04:16 PM
Quote from: esteban on 12/12/2009, 12:20 PMI would like to see PCE's Gotzendiener (sp?) compared to the the arcade version of Sega's Moonwalker.
Orrrrr, Gotzendeiner in comparison to Landstalker.

Yeah, but don't you think it would be more fun if Moonwalker is part of the comparison?

So, I am fine with Landstalker vs. Moonwalker (arcade) comparison.

awack · 12/13/2009, 06:41 AM

Altered Beast.

PCE(HU) GENESIS

shubibiman · 12/13/2009, 07:19 AM

Are the PCE sprites taken from the Huey version or from the Cd version? Anyway, they look much nicer on the PCE side. I'm very surprised as in my memories, the game looked better on the genny. I guess the big difference is in the scrolling, right?

exodus · 12/13/2009, 02:07 PM

the scrolling and the responsiveness of the controls. Also the game is just pretty bad all around, which is easy to forget.

blueraven · 12/13/2009, 02:31 PM

I still don't have a 1.0 card so I cant play my CD.

awack · 12/13/2009, 04:48 PM

QuoteAre the PCE sprites taken from the Huey version or from the Cd version? Anyway, they look much nicer on the PCE side. I'm very surprised as in my memories, the game looked better on the genny. I guess the big difference is in the scrolling, right?

They are from the hucard port. It might be the scrolling or that the backgrounds look a bit more like the arcade in the Genesis port.

PCE(HU) GENESIS

nat · 12/13/2009, 05:54 PM

I doubt it, since the backgrounds/scrolling are closer to the arcade in the Duo port. The arcade didn't have parallax.

Joe Redifer · 12/13/2009, 06:02 PM

nat is correct, no parallax in the arcade for some reason.

Quote from: awackPCE(HU) GENESIS

LOL!

esteban · 12/14/2009, 12:26 AM

Quote from: blueraven on 12/13/2009, 02:31 PM I still don't have a 1.0 card so I cant play my CD.

Same here. I want to play this bad boy.

PCE Altered Beast (CD): I was disappointed that the CD version only has Red Book for the ending credit song...

If I didn't know better, the Red Book sounds as if it recorded straight from the arcade board (with beefed up bass on the percussion?)... but the PCE tune seems longer than the arcade song and there seems to be a slight variation in the composition towards the end of the PCE tune.

Can anyone confirm this?

Anyway, I would have loved to hear nice Red Book renditions of the music from Altered Beast.

The other Red Book on PCE Altered Beast consists of the very brief Title Credit tune, stage clear jingle, and a brief track (54 seconds) for a cinema.

Joe Redifer · 12/14/2009, 12:58 AM

I don't recall Altered Beast having any Redbook tracks on the disc, but maybe I am wrong, which doesn't happen often.

I was able to get to stage 2 using the System 2.0 card.

esteban · 12/14/2009, 01:06 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/14/2009, 12:58 AMI don't recall Altered Beast having any Redbook tracks on the disc, but maybe I am wrong, which doesn't happen often.

I was able to get to stage 2 using the System 2.0 card.

Track 03 -- Title Screen

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_03.mp3}

Track 04 -- Enter High Score (?)

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_04.mp3}

Track 05 -- Stage Clear

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_05.mp3}

Track 06 -- Ending Credits (yay!) 2:24 of goodness

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_06.mp3}

Track 09 -- Cinema (?) (PCE Exclusive!)

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_09.mp3}

blueraven · 12/14/2009, 02:23 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/14/2009, 12:58 AMI was able to get to stage 2 using the System 2.0 card.

Must've been anticlimactic. Stand there and punch the level one boss. Die. Repeat. Twice.

Level 2; Die.

For the amount of effort required to play this game, there should be a hall of f**king fame.

TurboXray · 12/14/2009, 05:59 AM

Both the Hucard and the CD version are difficult from what I remember. The only really bad thing about both ports, is that they really slacked on the background detail. I can see why in the hucard one, but no the CD one - especially since it stops/loads mid level. But great work on the sprites/detail/etc. Though, they do have that issue with sprite overlaying inside of compiling the sprites (like the arms on the zombie, etc) causes some flicker than it normally would have.

Ceti Alpha · 12/14/2009, 09:11 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/13/2009, 06:02 PMnat is correct, no parallax in the arcade for some reason.
Quote from: awackPCE(HU) GENESIS

LOL!

"Welcome to your doom!" Fail.

Tatsujin · 12/14/2009, 09:33 AM

yeah that is a huge fail

if the PCEs gameplay just would have been better, it would heavenly beat everything out of the MD version. not that the MD was a super smooth playable plattformer, but it is lightyears better to controll than the pce version is (huey ahoi). sadly, the PCE sprites looking much better in any possible judging aspects.

ParanoiaDragon · 12/15/2009, 01:57 AM

In regards to Alshark, the Turbo version is much better, it's full screen, the gfx are better(though, still not great), as well as sound fx. The only thing I really like about the Sega CD version, is that ALL the music is redbook! Also, the overworld song is slightly better, as it has an opening to the song, whereas the Turbo version just dives straight in. Oh, & it seems like the Sega CD version has a MUCH higher encounter rate!

rag-time4 · 12/15/2009, 02:19 AM

I cleared Altered Beast CD, but other than patting myself on the back, I have nothing to add to the conversation about the Altered Beast music.

esteban · 12/15/2009, 07:51 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/15/2009, 02:19 AMI cleared Altered Beast CD, but other than patting myself on the back, I have nothing to add to the conversation about the Altered Beast music.

Here you go, my friends:

Track 03 -- Title Screen

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_03.mp3}

Track 04 -- Enter High Score (?)

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_04.mp3}

Track 05 -- Stage Clear

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_05.mp3}

Track 06 -- Ending Credits (yay!) 2:24 of goodness

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_06.mp3}

Track 09 -- Cinema (?) (PCE Exclusive!)

_{► /Altered_Beast/Track_09.mp3}

Save track 6, at least, because it is a great tune

awack · 12/19/2009, 12:50 AM

I might be able to do a small Gotzendeiner vs Landstalker in the future.

Master of Monsters, i didn't know there was a MOM for the Genesis until the recent SEGA-16 review.

PCE GENESIS

Joe Redifer · 12/19/2009, 01:41 AM

Neither are easy on the eyes when in the Hex screen. The battle scenes go to the PCE, however.

esteban · 12/19/2009, 05:39 PM

Master of Monsters

I can't objectively judge this because my first experiences were with the Genesis version (my brother is even more fantatic than I am about this game), so I love the Genny version to bits.

I also like the Genny music (decent variety, # of tracks)...

A few years ago I picked up the PCE version, really hoping for Red Book (no such luck, only the... title screen (?) music is Red Book, IIRC).

As for the battle scenes, the PCE version looks nice, but it felt disconnected compared to the Genny version.

Neither version, though, provides a really satisfying "battle"... while I love the game, I think it could have been more visceral.

Great game, though, overall.

* P.S. We (I) should re-visit the PCE version to see what it has to offer. I didn't spend much time with it.

Joe Redifer · 12/19/2009, 06:11 PM

Back on Ys 3 for a sec:

My comparison of the 3 US versions at Sega-16.

Castle Theme: Ys3
Genesis Castle (MP3, 1.08 megs)

_{► /12/Ys3-Genesis-1.mp3}

SNES Castle (MP3, 1.09 megs)

_{► /12/Ys3-SNES-1.mp3}

TG-16 CD Castle (MP3, 1.18 megs)

_{► /12/Ys3-Turbo-1.mp3}

Mountain Theme:
Genesis Mountains (MP3, 1.42 megs)

_{► /12/Ys3-Genesis-2.mp3}

SNES Mountains (MP3, 1.28 megs)

_{► /12/Ys3-SNES-2.mp3}

TG-16 CD Mountains (MP3, 1.44 megs)

_{► /12/Ys3-Turbo-2.mp3}

rag-time4 · 12/20/2009, 12:11 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2009, 06:11 PMBack on Ys 3 for a sec:

My comparison of the 3 US versions at Sega-16.

I've cleared the Turbo CD and SNES versions of Ys III, and while I generally preferred the Turbo CD version, I did prefer the SNES graphics. My recommendation, rather than making a choice between the versions, would be to play them all and compare them yourself!

esteban · 12/20/2009, 10:18 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2009, 06:11 PMBack on Ys 3 for a sec:

My comparison of the 3 US versions at Sega-16.

I HEREBY PROPOSE A DUEL between the two Ys III Comparison Reviews we have before us: Sega-16 3-way and Lazer Dorks 3-way.

The battle between the two reviews will not be side-by-side, but, rather, as pictured below...

... which is to say, the comparison will be stacked, and slightly askew, and partially overlapping.

I have to go and shovel my goddamn driveway now, but when I come back, I will review the reviews, wisely comparing and contrasting them.

Shovel! Where are you?

Ceti Alpha · 12/20/2009, 11:51 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/19/2009, 06:11 PMBack on Ys 3 for a sec:

My comparison of the 3 US versions at Sega-16.

Nice comparison Joe.

I was under the impression that the choppy scrolling on the Turbo version made the game a horrible experience, but after reading your review I'll be picking this up sooner than expected, even without the Blast Processing™.

pepharytheworm · 01/07/2010, 03:10 PM

Wow, this was a great read. Looking at all thes screenshots I found out about games I might have missed otherwise, like LOX 1 and 2. I would love to see more if there is more.

Looking at all the screenshots you posted PC-engine multi platform games look better then the Genesis and sometimes better then the SNES.

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:09 PM

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	SNES

PCE on the left, SNES and Genesis on bottom.

Fatal Fury 2.

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	SNES

PCE left, SNES right GENESIS bottom.

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	Genesis

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:19 PM

SuperGrafx	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:24 PM

PC Engine	SNES

pce left, snes right and genesis bottom.

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	Genesis

Sega CD	SNES

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

pce

snes

PC Engine	SNES

esteban · 01/07/2010, 06:28 PM

Well, I think it is safe to say that awack just created the most image-laden post, ever, here at pcefx . com

I like the Valis games at the end. I didn't realize the differences when playing through them. I would have sworn they were nearly identical, but, clearly, they aren't.

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:29 PM

Rondo	SOTN

Picture just to show some of the art and detail that most people probably don't notice in rondo.

Some snes vs genesis.

EWJ

SNES	Genesis

Fatal Fury

SNES	Genesis

World Heroes
snes genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

Final Soldier on left, Soldier Blade on right and Super Star Soldier on bottom, the 4th set of pics from the top, you can see that Super star soldier is missing a picture.

Quotehow about those compared to Burning Angels

Now, thats one ugly game from what i remember, ill look for some shots to post.

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

SNES	PC Engine

GBC	SNES

PC Engine	Genesis

Warsong.

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	SNES

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:31 PM

Capcom, Tenchi O Kurau(arcade 1989) vs King of the Dragons(arcade 1991)

PC Engine	SNES

pce, 8megs snes, 12megs

pcesgx, 1941 8megs snes, sonic wings 10megs

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine Boss Fights	SNES Boss Fights

pce over head action snes over head action

pce cutscenes snes special fx

Puyo Puyo 2, i would do more levels but the pce port kicks my butt...maybe there's a code.

PC Engine	Genesis

PUYO PUYO!

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

Since every one seems to like space harrier lets put up some shots of the later levels.

PC Engine	Genesis

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:35 PM

space fantasy zone, pce

pce genesis

Bonanaza Bro.

PCE Genesis

Monster Lair.

PCE Genesis

The voice acting in the JPN pc engine Blackhole Assault is in english(US voice actors)

pce cd sega cd

Exile.

pce genesis

An evolution of hucard graphics, this is one of the reasons why you get so many different

opinions about the pc engine, most of the games on the left were released from 1987 to 1990 and

average a lower meg count, the games on the right were released from 1991 to 1993 and have a

higher meg count on average.

I should point out that there were games released earlier that looked better than what is

represented below(im trying to make a point) and some later released games looked awful.

early games, small rom size later games, larger rom size

pce genesis

CD Hu Card

Thought i would do some of the World Heroes 2 death match mode, i already did the normal mode

back on page 4, every one of the pce WH2 screens looks much closer to the neo geo original,

infact, of all the games ive been playing, the pce WH2 is with out a shadow of a doubt the most

impressive 16bit console port of an arcade game.

The snes port isnt bad, its what you would expect on a 16bit console, the reason the pce port

turned out so close to the original(sprite size, animation, graphics and voice) is because its

not a 16bit system...its an 8bit system and with the arcade card it turns into a 32bit system,

every one knows this.

pce snes

pce arcade

pce walk snes walk

pce jump

snes jump

pce weak kick

snes weak kick

pce strong kick

snes strong kick

intro animation missing from snes game.

pce

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:36 PM

Daisenpū AKA Twin Hawk
http://www.videogameden.com/hucard.htm?dai

NEC PC Engine	Sega Genesis

Legend of Xanadu

legend of xanadu pce

snes super bonk

pce, 8megs snes, 12megs

The screen shots are from the first three levels only.

PCE SNES

Special fx/animation sprite rips.

PCE 31 frames

SNES 10 frames

PCE 17 frames

SNES 7 frames

PCE fire #1 12 frames, bubble 11 frames, fire #2 13 frames, cloud 18 frames.

SNES fire #1 4 frames, bubble 4 frames, fire #2 4 frames, cloud 5 frames.

Splatter House/Splatter House 2, first few levels.

PCE GENESIS

PCE GENESIS

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:37 PM

PC Engine	Genesis

Shadow of the beast.

PCE, running

Mega Drive, running

Genesis, running

SNES, running

Some more Cotton.
PCE

SNES

Enemy and boss sprites, the only one missing is Death.

Dracula XX, 26 enemy sprites and 9 boss sprites.
Rondo, 55 enemy sprites and 22 boss sprites.

pc engine

pc engine and snes bull

snes

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	SNES

PC Engine	Genesis

PC Engine	Genesis

Doraemon, CD vs hucard.

PCECD	HuCard

PC Engine	SNES

awack · 01/07/2010, 06:38 PM

YS III.............PCE left, SNES right, Genesis bottom.

PCE SNES

GENESIS

NO GENESIS SHOT

PCE SNES

GENESIS

Genesis SNES

PCE SEGACD

SMS NES

Altered Beast.

PCE(HU) GENESIS

PCE(HU) GENESIS

PCE GENESIS

popful mail snes

legend of xanadu pce

Some cutscene screen shots.

Legend of Xanadu

Ceti Alpha · 01/07/2010, 06:47 PM

Quote from: esteban on 01/07/2010, 06:28 PMWell, I think it is safe to say that awack just created the most image-laden post, ever, here at pcefx . com

I like the Valis games at the end. I didn't realize the differences when playing through them. I would have sworn they were nearly identical, but, clearly, they aren't.

haha. Yeah, I have to sit and really digest these before I comment too much. So many comparisons to look at!!

As for Dynastic Hero the Genny's colours look blown out. The PCE Ninja Gaiden destroys the SNES port. The Genny Hit the Ice looks far better than the PCE port - just look at the glorious flags. BTW, grats to the USA Junior Hockey team for taking the gold this year, finally killing the Canadian 5 year gold streak.

Tough call on the Valis III and Outrun comparisons.

Anyway, I'll look harder at these later. Thanks awack!!

exodus · 01/07/2010, 07:05 PM

holy crap. this is insane.

ALSO: crystal beans? what the hell is that? I never even knew they remade dungeon explorer II.

ALSO ALSO: it's kinda too bad these aren't all stretched to their TV resolution...makes it hard to compare directly. Awesome work though!

awack · 01/07/2010, 07:23 PM

I was going to catalog and link them on the first page but i decided to consolidate them on one page, didn't know there were that many

nat · 01/07/2010, 07:28 PM

Quote from: exodus on 01/07/2010, 07:05 PMALSO ALSO: it's kinda too bad these aren't all stretched to their TV resolution...makes it hard to compare directly. Awesome work though!

I agree, the Genesis screens are usually too wide while the Turbo shots are too squished horizontally. TV resolution is somewhere in between.

Tatsujin · 01/09/2010, 12:06 PM

sometimes the GENNY looks like an SMS compared to the PCE