Rondo vs Dracula XX in detail

awack · 07/28/2009, 11:25 AM

I might add to this every so often, if i where to do every single difference(pce superiority) in one go, it would take me 5000 to 5001 years.

pce

snes

As you can see in the pce version, each bone changes to a darker color before disapearing on the ape skeleton, he will also throw an elbow if you get behind him.

pce snes

pce snes

Tatsujin · 07/28/2009, 11:41 AM

lol. as usual, pce wins with lightyears!

esteban · 07/28/2009, 11:57 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 07/28/2009, 11:41 AMlol. as usual, pce wins with lightyears!

PCE's mighty CRUCIFIXES crush the competition.

SNES can't compare.

Nazi NecroPhile · 07/28/2009, 12:08 PM

Very cool, awack. Keep 'em coming!

Quote from: esteban on 07/28/2009, 11:57 AMPCE's mighty CRUCIFIXES crush the competition.

WWJD?

esteban · 07/28/2009, 12:18 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/28/2009, 12:08 PMVery cool, awack. Keep 'em coming!

Quote from: esteban on 07/28/2009, 11:57 AMPCE's mighty CRUCIFIXES crush the competition.
WWJD?

I see what you did there

.

I'll give a hint to our secular friends out there:

WW

D?

TANGENT: Go over to the screenshot quiz thread and solve it so I can post a new challenge.

Nazi NecroPhile · 07/28/2009, 01:11 PM

Quote from: esteban on 07/28/2009, 12:18 PMTANGENT: Go over to the screenshot quiz thread and solve it so I can post a new challenge.

The correct answer is clearly VolfieV; Chris just doesn't want to admit it.

Ninja Spirit · 07/28/2009, 01:24 PM

Didn't Nintendo have a thing against crucifixion images?

Nazi NecroPhile · 07/28/2009, 01:35 PM

Quote from: Ninja Spirit on 07/28/2009, 01:24 PMDidn't Nintendo have a thing against crucifixion images?

It wasn't just cruciform images. Back in the day, they'd sanitized their games of pretty much anything religious, sexual, or otherwise less than 100% politically correct.

awack · 07/28/2009, 01:49 PM

pce snes

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 12:29 AM

Quote from: awack on 07/28/2009, 11:25 AMsnes

blueraven · 07/29/2009, 12:58 AM

PCE Pwns the SNES version, AND has Redbook Audio.

The pallette is softer and the detail is better too. Explosions are cheap on the SNES ver.

9.8 comparable to a 6.8 of 10. IMHO

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 01:23 AM

also, and to all astonishment, the PCE pwns the SFC in colors with a clear landslide.

Arkhan Asylum · 07/29/2009, 06:39 AM

And the Evony chicks boobs in the ad below pwn both.

BlackandBlue · 07/29/2009, 08:06 AM

Quote from: guest on 07/29/2009, 06:39 AMAnd the Evony chicks boobs in the ad below pwn both.

Word

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 08:21 AM

Quote from: BlackandBlue on 07/29/2009, 08:06 AM
Quote from: guest on 07/29/2009, 06:39 AMAnd the Evony chicks boobs in the ad below pwn both.
Word

termis · 07/29/2009, 08:31 AM

I just youtube'd Drac XX to see what it's like (I never saw it in action), and I was actually pretty impressed. I dunno about the rest of the game, but the backgrounds and the music were good for lv1.

awack · 07/29/2009, 08:55 AM

pce snes

pce attack and death

snes attack and death

pce snes

QuoteI just youtube'd Drac XX to see what it's like (I never saw it in action), and I was actually pretty impressed. I dunno about the rest of the game, but the backgrounds and the music were good for lv1.

Drac XX is a pretty impressive game, the type of detail, effects and animation im showing are excellent for a 16bit game and are much better than say Castlevania IV.

Speaking of the 1st level, the fire looks nice but the actual bg structures look a bit exaggerated and goofy to me, looking at the shot below(DracXX) you can see that even though the buildings are at an angle, you can see straight through them, to the bg sky.

Rondo DracXX

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 09:32 AM

the worst thing on drac xx is its sloppy and unfair controlls and that it has no strict line. everything seems so heartless made and botchy. if you have never played drac x, you may have fun with it, otherwise i wouldn't even recommend to touch it.

esteban · 07/29/2009, 09:45 AM

I have to disagree with Tats. It is worth playing XX, and I think you can have fun with it. It has flaws, yes, but I think many folks would enjoy noticing the differences in the games.

An old member here once described XX as a "remix" of Rondo. I think he had it right when he described things that way, except I'd modify things by saying it was a "budget remix" that lacked the polish, creativity, level design and the Fun Factor* (i.e. Maria!) of Rondo.

To continue the discussion on Dracula XX's merits:

I actually like the burning buildings / wavy land, with all the embers raining down because it achieves its goal rather well: to create the feeling that you are in an inferno, that all hell is breaking loose, and that tension is building...

This is an example of "wavy sfx" contributing to the atmosphere of a stage and not simply being a gimmick, novelty, etc.

And the music in XX is good.

I like XX.

But:

XX can't compare to Rondo. The polish on Rondo was always evident (and awack is providing evidence to bolster the case).

That said, I'm glad we have both games to play.

So...

More comparisons, awack!

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 10:10 AM

Quote from: esteban on 07/29/2009, 09:45 AMexcept I'd modify things by saying it was a "budget remix" that lacked the polish, creativity, level design and the Fun Factor* (i.e. Maria!) of Rondo.

very right. may be i was a little bit to harsh with my statement, but when i got it first and played it, you may imagine how big the disappointment was written in my face.
the really fun of playing it, is to constantly compare with the almost to infinite superior drac x.

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 11:18 AM

awack · 07/29/2009, 12:00 PM

pce death of richter

snes death of richter

pce snes

pce richter hit by fire snes richter hit by fire

awack · 07/29/2009, 02:12 PM

pce......minotaur boss entrance and death

snes minotaur boss entrance and death

esteban · 07/29/2009, 03:10 PM

Quote from: awack on 07/29/2009, 02:12 PMsnes minotaur boss entrance and death

Oh dear lord, this isn't funny anymore!

SignOfZeta · 07/29/2009, 03:14 PM

I agree with esteban. XX, from a gameplay perspective, is almost as good as X. The lack of Maria is the only main gameplay fault. Also, while it lacks the rocking soundtrack of the PCE CD, the one that they did come up with is quite nice.

Until I read this thread I had no idea there was so much animation missing though.

CrackTiger · 07/29/2009, 05:23 PM

Drac XX isn't just Rondo with less content, the gameplay is slightly broken and the level design works against the intended gameplay. I haven't played XX recently, so I can't get into detail about the problems with the control and collision, but you can get clipped by an enemy at full HP and bounce around with zero control until you die.

It's not a terrible game and it's actually great by linear Castlevania standards, but content aside Rondo is so much better simply gameplay vs gameplay wise.

This comparison is most revealing of not so much what the SNES version lacks, but just how much detail and animation Rondo packs in that most people don't fully appreciate. It's further proof that Rondo really is underappreciated if anything and not overhyped.

TurboXray · 07/29/2009, 06:17 PM

Quote from: guest on 07/29/2009, 05:23 PMDrac XX isn't just Rondo with less content, the gameplay is slightly broken and the level design works against the intended gameplay. I haven't played XX recently, so I can't get into detail about the problems with the control and collision, but you can get clipped by an enemy at full HP and bounce around with zero control until you die.

It's not a terrible game and it's actually great by linear Castlevania standards, but content aside Rondo is so much better simply gameplay vs gameplay wise.

This comparison is most revealing of not so much what the SNES version lacks, but just how much detail and animation Rondo packs in that most people don't fully appreciate. It's further proof that Rondo really is underappreciated if anything and not overhyped.

I'm just going to quote B_T since he said pretty what I wanted to say about the SNES version.

Arkhan Asylum · 07/29/2009, 06:26 PM

Anyone play the dracula x chronicles for PSP?

Games a frigging masterpiece

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 08:07 PM

Quote from: esteban on 07/29/2009, 03:10 PM
Quote from: awack on 07/29/2009, 02:12 PMsnes minotaur boss entrance and death

Oh dear lord, this isn't funny anymore!

Tatsujin · 07/29/2009, 08:11 PM

Quote from: Tom on 07/29/2009, 06:17 PM
Quote from: guest on 07/29/2009, 05:23 PMDrac XX isn't just Rondo with less content, the gameplay is slightly broken and the level design works against the intended gameplay. I haven't played XX recently, so I can't get into detail about the problems with the control and collision, but you can get clipped by an enemy at full HP and bounce around with zero control until you die.

It's not a terrible game and it's actually great by linear Castlevania standards, but content aside Rondo is so much better simply gameplay vs gameplay wise.

This comparison is most revealing of not so much what the SNES version lacks, but just how much detail and animation Rondo packs in that most people don't fully appreciate. It's further proof that Rondo really is underappreciated if anything and not overhyped.
I'm just going to quote B_T since he said pretty what I wanted to say about the SNES version.

and I'm just going to do the same again

shubibiman · 07/30/2009, 10:34 AM

What abotu comparing the backgrounds?
I agree with B_T, the animations in DX are really impressive.

awack · 07/30/2009, 12:09 PM

QuoteWhat abotu comparing the backgrounds?

I will put some new ones up later.

pce, deaths entrance, skull attack and transformation

VS

snes, deaths entrance....and thats it

pce snes

awack · 07/30/2009, 06:18 PM

pce snes

pce

snes

nat · 07/30/2009, 08:34 PM

That last one says it all. Good grief.

Mathius · 07/30/2009, 10:04 PM

Quote from: nat on 07/30/2009, 08:34 PMThat last one says it all. Good grief.

Agreed.

Tatsujin · 07/30/2009, 10:07 PM

now dear awack, make some gif animations of 'em

Tatsujin · 07/30/2009, 11:21 PM

this entrance/weapon changing, is something of the most stylish in history of video games:

termis · 07/30/2009, 11:48 PM

Damn, I feel the need the need to go home and play some rondo. (Stuck at school doing some stupid research right now)

esteban · 07/31/2009, 01:33 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 07/30/2009, 10:07 PMnow dear awack, make some gif animations of 'em

It would be a damn shame for awack not to follow your suggestion, wouldn't it?

No pressure, awack.

Quote from: Tatsujin on 07/30/2009, 11:21 PMthis entrance/weapon changing, is something of the most stylish in history of video games:

Yes. Rondo is chock-full of nice little touches like that.

shubibiman · 07/31/2009, 06:04 AM

Quote from: termis on 07/30/2009, 11:48 PMDamn, I feel the need the need to go home and play some rondo. (Stuck at school doing some stupid research right now)

Me too!

But I still think that thsi comparison is a little unfair as the backgrounds in the SNES version are very nice.

CrackTiger · 07/31/2009, 10:25 AM

Quote from: shubibiman on 07/31/2009, 06:04 AM
Quote from: termis on 07/30/2009, 11:48 PMDamn, I feel the need the need to go home and play some rondo. (Stuck at school doing some stupid research right now)

Me too!

But I still think that thsi comparison is a little unfair as the backgrounds in the SNES version are very nice.

The backgrounds were already compared in another thread, but a more extensive comparison of them will likely hit this thread soon. It'll still be just as "unfair" though as Rondo will still have XX beat in variety and detail.

awack · 07/31/2009, 10:37 AM

Quotenow dear awack, make some gif animations of 'em

Please, please don't make me do that

The rips on the green background are by Serio.

pce

snes

pce

snes

Tatsujin · 07/31/2009, 01:03 PM

Quote from: shubibiman on 07/31/2009, 06:04 AMBut I still think that thsi comparison is a little unfair as the backgrounds in the SNES version are very nice.

shenanigans!!

awack · 07/31/2009, 01:15 PM

guyjin · 07/31/2009, 03:31 PM

32,768 colors to choose from and they pick all the greyish ones.

awack · 07/31/2009, 03:58 PM

This is from the prologue, there is no snes counter part...obviously!

shubibiman · 08/01/2009, 04:31 AM

Why did so many SNES games look so pale?

awack · 08/01/2009, 07:55 AM

I have always thought that Drac xx had some of the best graphics on the snes, but i think that the graphics in rondo are more ambitious in design and interesting to the eye.

Number of enemy sprites....... rondo: Dracxx:
52 27

Number of bosses..................rondo: Dracxx:
15 9

Look closely at the transparent effect below and tell me if you see something odd about the snes shot.

pce snes

TurboXray · 08/01/2009, 12:15 PM

Quote from: awackLook closely at the transparent effect below and tell me if you see something odd about the snes shot.

Hahah - that's super funny. Those fools

Joe Redifer · 08/01/2009, 03:10 PM

How does he appear on the SNES version? I assume he is in front of a different background and that they accidentally kept the fake "transparency" from the PCE version when porting the sprite? That deserves a mighty face palm for sure.

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Rondo vs Dracula XX in detail